Illegal migrant wins compensation for arbitrary detention
The European Court of Human Rights has ordered the Maltese government to pay an Algerian migrant, Khaled Louled Massoud, €12,000 after finding that that he had been arbitrarily detained for more than 18 months.
The court heard that Mr Massoud arrived in Malta on 24, June 2006 without documents, having travelled by boat from Libya in an irregular manner. Upon his arrival he was served with a removal order and he was detained at police headquarters.
On June 28, 2006 he was arraigned in court charged with aiding, assisting, counselling or procuring other persons to enter or to attempt to enter Malta or having conspired to that effect. He was remanded in custody.
On 1 October 2006, pending proceedings, Mr Massoud made a late preliminary application for refugee status, which was considered by the Refugee Commissioner.
On 25 October 2006 the Court of Magistrates found Mr Massoud guilty and sentenced him to 18 months' imprisonment.
While in prison, on 17 April 2007, Mr Massoud made a formal application for asylum and was interviewed on the same day.
After serving his sentence, he was released from prison on 27 June 2007 and was placed in a detention centre pending the determination of his asylum claim.
ASYLUM APPLICATION REJECTED
The asylum application was rejected on 24 April 2007 and subsequently on appeal on 18 July 2007 as Mr Massoud had failed to provide convincing evidence that he would face a real risk or had a well-founded fear of persecution.
Mr Massoud remained in detention awaiting removal until 6 January 2009 when his removal order was lifted in view of the lack of prospects of his eventual deportation.
Mr Massoud claimed that the conditions of detention in Blocks C and B had been inappropriate. Both facilities had been overcrowded, particularly in the summer months, with inadequate sanitary and other facilities, limited medical care, no possibility of constructive activities and limited recreational opportunities. He made reference to reports of the CPT, the Council of Europe Human Rights Commissioner and the LIBE Committee of the European Parliament documenting such conditions.
Mr Massoud submitted before the European court that his detention for more than 18 months after the determination of his asylum claim had been arbitrary, unlawful and not in compliance with the requirements of the European Convention on Human Rights as established in the court's case-law.
He submitted that the duration of his detention had been excessive and not determined by an assessment of the effective possibility of return but by a pre-established policy which applied independently of the individual circumstances of the case.
Moreover, while in detention he had never been approached by the immigration authorities about the subject of his removal or informed of the stage of the removal procedure. Neither had the government demonstrated in any way that removal proceedings had been undertaken with due diligence. Indeed, in 2010, although released from detention, he was still in Malta.
The Government submitted that from June 27, 2007 to January 6, 2009 Mr Massoud had been detained for lawful reasons, and the12 -month limit started to run from the date when an individual applied for asylum. Thus, the asylum claim having been decided on July 18, 2007, the decision was taken within the one year time limit provided by European law.
Furthermore, Mr Massoud had ceased to be an “asylum seeker” on July 18, 2007. However, even if this were not the case, the government argued that access to the labour market did not entail freedom from detention, as both were not incompatible.
The government further submitted that its policies on detention were reasonable in respect of duration considering the intricate problems involved in the removal of undocumented immigrants. The applicant's allegation of a blanket application of these policies to all immigrants was untrue as Malta had no desire to keep irregular immigrants in detention on its territory if it could repatriate them. However, this proved difficult because of the lack of cooperation between immigrants and their countries of origin.
Moreover, the government argued, individuals did have the possibility of review by an independent judicial authority, with the assistance of legal counsel. Furthermore, conditions of detention were adequate considering the large influx of migrants on such a small island which had limited financial and human resources.
The government pointed out that Mr Massoud had landed in Malta without any documentation and although his nationality and identity had been established, it had not been possible to arrange his removal. The police had unsuccessfully tried to obtain travel documents for the applicant from the Algerian authorities through the intervention of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Moreover, Mr Massoud had not shown any interest in being repatriated or sent to another destination.
Thus, the government submitted that his detention of 18 months (in accordance with government policy) pending removal had been due to the applicant's lack of cooperation and had therefore been necessary, justified and not excessive.
COURT OBSERVATIONS
The court observed that after he served his sentence, Mr Massoud was transferred to a detention centre and detained “with a view to deportation”.
It followed that the period of detention to be considered for the purposes of this complaint was that from June 27, 2007, the date when the applicant was placed in a detention centre pending the processing of his asylum claim, to January 6, 2009, when he was released.
The duration of the detention therefore amounted to 18 months and nine days.
The court noted that the entire duration of the detention was subsequent to the rejection of his asylum claim at first instance, on April 24, 2007, and that the final decision on his asylum claim was delivered three weeks after the commencement of his detention in the detention centre.
The court said that it found it hard to conceive that in a small island like Malta, where escape by sea without endangering one's life was unlikely and fleeing by air was subject to strict control, the authorities could not have had at their disposal measures other than Mr Massoud's protracted detention to secure an eventual removal in the absence of any immediate prospect of his expulsion.
"In the light of the above, the Court has grave doubts as to whether the grounds for the applicant's detention – action taken with a view to his deportation – remained valid for the whole period of his detention, namely, more than eighteen months following the rejection of his asylum claim, owing to the probable lack of a realistic prospect of his expulsion and the possible failure of the domestic authorities to conduct the proceedings with due diligence."
The court noted that the Malta Immigration Act applied no limit to detention and that the government policies have no legal force. In consequence, the applicant was subject to an indeterminate period of detention. In such circumstances the necessity of procedural safeguards becomes decisive.
However, the court had already established that the applicant did not have any effective remedy by which to contest the lawfulness and length of his detention and the government had not pointed to any other normative or practical safeguard.
"It follows that the Maltese legal system did not provide for a procedure capable of avoiding the risk of arbitrary detention pending deportation."
The court said that such considerations were sufficient for it to conclude that the national system failed to protect Mr Massoud from arbitrary detention, and his prolonged detention could not be considered to have been “lawful”.
The full text of the court decision can be found at
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I M Dingli
Jul 30th 2010, 13:03
@ Sean Grima
Reference to your comment at Matthew Chircop ...... as someone has already said (namely you) ‘two wrongs never make a right’. As always you acknowledge whatever is being done by these people since you are not struggling to make a living. You don’t see what everyone else is seeing.... money, food, commodities being wasted by these persons.
I envy you because you must be really rich not to find anything wrong with a criminal suing the Maltese Government or with illegal immigrants who are in detention (because the law states so!) destroying the bed and all commodities which they themselves have to use, etc etc. All of which are being paid for by our taxes. They need to have evidence to show to NGOs otherwise NGOs would be pointless, don’t you think Sean Grima?
Sean Grima
Jul 30th 2010, 18:34
the fact that some immigrants have acted violently in no way should lead to a conclusion that all immigrants be denied the right to ask for asylum.
M Muscat
Jul 29th 2010, 21:49
sar referendums aw Malta alijna u al ulidna ek nithlux fl-eu jew le..
alix majsirx referendum aw malta bix naraw ek INZOMUWX lil Malta jew intuwa lil daw?
Fkelma wahda; Ekk andomx jiqbaw aw jew le! Rridu namlu xi haga! Ha jirkbuwna! Billi ingergru mhu ha jigri xej!
J Pace
Jul 29th 2010, 19:32
Just to make sure we, the tax payers, do not get any more of these fines, I suggest
that all asylum seekers, even those that have been handed down prison sentences
for 'aiding, assisting, counselling or procuring other persons to enter or to attempt to enter Malta or having conspired to that effect' be sent to a 5-star hotel in the area of Sliema or
St Julian's.
Just to make sure that they do not have anything to complain about, why not also ensure they are given a sea view room.
I can't imagine the treatment that would be meeted out to any EU citizen, including
Maltese, if they had to be found guilty of a crime in an African country!!!
Altro che Eur12,000 pocket money!!!
Sean Grima
Jul 30th 2010, 09:04
don't we consider ourselves to have higher standards than those in africa?!
don't try to ridicule immigrants: these people are not after 5 star hotels, they are after a basic decent lifestyle and peace of mind.
Matthew Chircop
Jul 29th 2010, 17:21
@ Sean Grima
Do you by any chance happen to have €12,000? cause if you do, you can pay them to the imigrant yourself and spare it from all maltese taxpayers...we are not counteracting laws, it is as it is, but such atrocities cannot be ignored...when i was in secondary school (cathlic school) the headmaster brought 6 young imigrants so that they can get educated...the headmaster offered them food, drinks and even buying them an ice cream from the school tuckshop...what does he get in return?? whole food in the bin!! there is where i lost all respect for these imigrants...you give them a finger, you'll end up losing your arm!!!
Sean Grima
Jul 30th 2010, 09:02
of course, the only food in the bin was that thrown away by those kids!
Charlene Giordimaina
Jul 29th 2010, 14:27
Sean Grima, are you some kind of Law Professor at the University of Cambrigde?
If you're so enthusiastic about the law please do what lawyers do and when you say something refer to the Article and Chapter, as the way it is done professionally.
If you go to court and say ".. that's what the law says..." the judge will just laugh at your face!!!
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 14:58
i have already referred to the specific laws
Charlene Giordimaina
Jul 30th 2010, 17:14
In which comment? Because all I saw was "that's what the law says". You haven't specified in which Act we can find such "laws"; I'll be interested in seeing them.
lgalea
Jul 29th 2010, 12:26
http://euobserver.com/9/30557
Sarkozy targets Roma for explusion
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 13:05
ghandu biex jiftahar.
COLIN STANLEY
Jul 29th 2010, 16:18
I think people should see this clip. I cannot understand certain politicians,siding with these people, you see them in many cities, the same thing, organised BEGGING, then in the evenings they are all rounded up , till the next day, in Paris most of them have started to have little children, or a puppy with them, to play on your emotions.
Sean Grima
Jul 30th 2010, 09:06
enjoy your pension and a walk along the sliema front, mate
FRANK MERCIECA
Jul 29th 2010, 11:25
The LAW is the Law, thats what Malta signed up to. You can,t pick and choose which law you like and that you don.t. I for one is for human rights for these unfortunate people, and if Malta breaks the Law, its got to pay. EITHER PUT UP, OR SHUT UP.
Felix Ebejer
Jul 29th 2010, 11:59
FRANK MERCIECA no frank. He was legally detained after illegally entering our country, he was found guilty and condemned for human trafficking, and the government should appeal and not pay him anything but charge him all the expenses that had to be incurred because of him and his actions.
Joe borg
Jul 29th 2010, 12:02
"The law is an ass, and it's makers are it's parents".
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 13:08
two wrongs never make a right: the fact that he was here illegally, since his application was turned down, does not mean he can be detained arbitrarily.
P. Borg
Jul 29th 2010, 10:57
Mela fl-artikli fuq id-divorzju ghandna lil Joe Zammit waqt li dawk fuq l-immigranti illegali ghandna lil Sean Grima!!! Dejjem hawn xi hadd irid jaghmilha ta qaddis fuq it-times. Nies li jaraw biss direzzjoni wahda u jattu il-gnubijiet ta ghajnejhom biex ma jarawx ir-realta. L-ideal taghhom biss jezisti u ma jimpurtahhomx minn dak li haddiehor jaddi minnu minhabba dawn l-ideat li huma jiddefendu daqshekk bil-qalb. Wiehed jghid li min hu imsawwat u imdejjaq fiz-zwieg ghandu jaccetta u jkun ferhan bih, u l-iehor jghid li min qed ikun ta piz kbir fuq pajjizna ghandna nifthulu idejna u nghidulu thank you plus li nghidulu ikompli jikser il-ligijiet ta Malta u jidhol illegalment go fiha. Ara vera pajjiz tal-mickey mouse dan.
t. borg
Jul 29th 2010, 11:11
drittijiet ghal barranin u le ghal maltin
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 11:20
the reality is that the law grants the right to seek asylum to all immigrants.
P. Borg
Jul 29th 2010, 11:36
U iva Sean, same old story, hadtilna rasna. Lilna ghidilna x'vantaggi ghandha Malta, jekk hux qed naghmlu income jew expenditure, profit jew loss. X'futur fih investiment jekk dejjem tohrog il-flus u qatt ma iddahhal xejn lura? L-istess dawn l-immigranti, Malta tonfoq u huma jarmu. Inti ghamel haga - hudhom id-dar u ara kif tmur. Ara tkunx kuntent jew indejjaq wara erbat ijiem, ara jifdallekx lira mill-paga imbaghad ejja ghidilna.
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 13:04
laws still apply even if "financially" they have negative implications. we do not only do what benefits us, but what is right.
Mark Galea
Jul 29th 2010, 10:09
@I M Dingli and others
Making a fuss against immigrants will lead no one anywhere. Malta is part of the EU and EU has its laws. Malta must observe them. Also, whether you like it or not, social laws are there to help everybody. As in every country, there is a percentage of ultra-nationalistic persons who normally have little effect. However, when elections are near, and the result is very close, when the economy is not so rosy, politicians use these deeply set feelings to gain that last mile. So my friends, you are being used by politics for their end. So, for those trying to get that extra political edge, PN is pro EU and observes EU's laws. PL is now even more pro EU and part of Socialist international. What is left? There is no party for the ultras.
colin stanley
Jul 29th 2010, 09:05
@ S,Grima. who are you, THE LONE RANGER, have you at least trigger, to back you up, can't you see that most people are against illegal immigrants, what culture can we learn from them, they don't even integrate
Mark Galea
Jul 29th 2010, 10:11
@colin stanley
s grima might be a lone ranger, but the same people against illegal immigrants wave flags either in PN or PL meetings ... and we all know the stand of both parties ...
Charles Vassallo
Jul 29th 2010, 10:38
No longer Mr Galea. Our families answers will be on our votes.
colin stanley
Jul 29th 2010, 10:47
@.M. Galea. I agree with you 100%, but I won't make the same mistake twice. I will vote for someone else, even if it's a wasted vote.
I M Dingli
Jul 29th 2010, 08:47
@ Sean Grima
So why are you protecting this guy's rights (supposedly) so vividly?
Mark Galea
Jul 29th 2010, 10:07
@I M Dingli and others
Making a fuss against immigrants will lead no one anywhere. Malta is part of the EU and EU has its laws. Malta must observe them. Also, whether you like it or not, social laws are there to help everybody. As in every country, there is a percentage of ultra-nationalistic persons who normally have little effect. However, when elections are near, and the result is very close, when the economy is not so rosy, politicians use these deeply set feelings to gain that last mile. So my friends, you are being used by politics for their end. So, for those trying to get that extra political edge, PN is pro EU and observes EU's laws. PL is now even more pro EU and part of Socialist international. What is left? There is no party for the ultras.
Angelo Abela
Jul 28th 2010, 21:29
Ever heard the story of a man in the US who, while committing a robbery, broke his leg, sued the owners of the establishment for poor safety and won?
I M Dingli
Jul 28th 2010, 16:43
@ Sean Grima
One more thing, was this person trafficking illegal immigrants into Malta/Europe as a part of missionary work or rather to make a quick buck? You know a lot about missionary work so please explain to me, when you are getting paid for what you are doing, can it still be considered as missionary work?
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 08:33
don't be demeaning towards missionaries, of course traffickers cannot be considered as missionaries!
I M Dingli
Jul 28th 2010, 16:40
@ Sean Grima
Part IV (5) (1) states: -
‘Any person, other than one having the right of entry, or of entry and residence, or of movement or transit under the preceding Parts, may be refused entry, and if he lands or is in Malta without leave from the Principal Immigration Officer, he shall be a prohibited immigrant’.
This is the starting clause of the Immigration Act. It clearly states that these persons are prohibited from entering the country. Please quote one single part of the ACT where it clearly states conditions for asylum? You can spare a few hours since you do not work so please be my guest.
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 08:31
1. I do work.
2. Read all the Immigration Act and the Refugees Act. Article 14((5) of the former states that:
"Nothing in this article shall preclude or prejudice the application of Maltese law on the right to asylum and the rights of refugees and of Malta’s international obligations in this regard."
Emmanuel Ebejer
Jul 28th 2010, 15:45
@Sean Grima
YOU asked ME ...who do you think I am!!!..I know exactly who I am. Do you!!? I very much doubt it!! Oh...and btw , I too have a right to voice my opinion. Good day!!
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 16:00
of course, but you have no right to tell others not to comment!
Emmanuel Ebejer
Jul 28th 2010, 18:39
That's exactly what you've been doing all along!!
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 11:23
i have never said that anyone does not have the right to express an opinion. however, an opinion is not necessarily right.
I M Dingli
Jul 28th 2010, 15:43
@ Sean Grima
State the exact reference of the Immigration Act since you are so well informed but be careful to state all the addendums
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 15:57
look it up if you are so interested
Charlene Giordimaina
Jul 28th 2010, 15:04
I'm fed up of all this nonesense. We are victoms in our own country.
P.S. Sean Grima, pay the 12,000 EUR yourself, along with all the other millions we spend on them every day.
Mur sal-isptar u tara kemm jintefqu kuljum biex nipprovaw nikkurawhom.
M'ghandniex bzonnhom, u m'ghandniex bzonn nies li jaqbzu ghalihom lanqas. L-ewwel pajjizi mbaghad l-ohrajn.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 15:58
kollu diskors fil-vojt. the law is what it is.
Joe Camilleri
Jul 28th 2010, 17:42
Tell us your law qualifications grima. Nil, Nada, Zero. Those are your law qualifications. You can interpret the law the same as a street cleaner.
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 08:34
i am still waiting for you to come up with a legal argument to counter mine. of course, spare your efforts, as there is none.
P. Borg
Jul 29th 2010, 11:10
Il-ligi miktuba fuq karta Sean imma min ibghati jaf xi jfisser. Il-ligi tghidlek toqtolx imma hawn min qatel u haddiehor bata minhabba dan. Il-ligi tghidlek li meta tidhol f'pajjiz trid taghddi min ghand l-awtoritajiet u jkollok id-dokumenti necessarji. Ma jidhirlix li nista naqbad daghjsa jien u nivvjagga sa l-amerika meta jfettilli, qas f'pajjizi ta l-EU stess ma nista nghamel hekk ahseb u ara. Anke meta nmur ghawdex irrid naddi mill-iccekkjar tal-gozo channel ahseb u ara.
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 13:09
yes, you can apply for asylum if you reach america illegally.
Joe Bugelli
Jul 28th 2010, 15:01
Hbieb, tafu xi tfisser id-decizjoni tal-Qorti?
Li jiena mmur go l-aqwa restorant bil-familja u l-hbieb, nordna l-aqwa u l-iktar ikel ghali ghal kulhadd, nordna l-aqwa inbid u xorb ghal kulhadd, nordna l-orkestra u z-zeffiena biex zgur jien u l-familja u l-hbieb jiehdu pjacir, u minflok inhallas niftah kawza kontra s-sidien tar-restorant hallu jhallsuni. Hekk gabuna l-immigranti illegali u dawk li jiddefenduhom.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 15:59
you seem to be forgetting that he was compensated because of the violation of a fundamental human right. unless a fundamental human right is violated at the restaurant, you will not get any compensation.
Joe Bugelli
Jul 28th 2010, 17:45
What human right Sean Grima? The right to HumanTrafficking? The right not to collaborate with the immigration authorities? The right to enter into another country illegally?
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 08:37
the right not to be detained arbitrarily.
Anthony Zerafa
Jul 29th 2010, 09:47
Sean Grima we have the human rights to be safe in our country, not to be invaded by your illegal immigrants, not to have our taxes wasted on your illegal immigrants, not to allow illegal immigrants to have precedence at health clinics and hospital, not to be exposed to dangerous illnesses carried by illegal immigrants, not to have no go areas as evidenced by a police inspector in court, not to expose our soldiers to un-necessary danger to save irresponsible illegal immigrants.....
Anthony Zerafa
Jul 29th 2010, 09:50
Mr Grima he was not detained arbitrarily but according to our law which youi are so fond of quoting. If they don't want to be detained then they should not come here illegally.
P. Borg
Jul 29th 2010, 11:05
What human right Sean? Il-human rights ejja staqsih lil xi suldat meta jghidlek li ghax tah il-halib tal-bott flok tal-pakkett ghal mat-te, l-immigrant qam u tefahhulu ghal wiccu. Jew li jhallu xi zewg tazzi halib fix-xemx halli l-ewwel suldat li jaraw jitfawh ghal wiccu. Nissugerilek taghmel imqar gurnata flok dawn il-haddiema Sean u issir taf xi jfisser. Ghamilt hames snin maghhom u tghoddhom fuq subajk kemm kien hemm edukati u nies sew minnhom.
Kont taf li il-gvern ghandu kuntrattur tal-catering igibilhom breakfast, lunch u dinner? Kont taf li ghandu kuntrattur iehor igibilhom platti, tazzi, frieket u skieken tal-plastic kuljum biex ikollhom kollox nadif? Kont taf kemm jiswew lil Malta dawn is-servizzi, apparti mobile toilets, televisions etc? Ma nahsibx mela halli lil min jaf jghidlek ghax dawk jghixu ahjar minna u ma jmorrux jahdmu. Huma jiksru il-ligi u ahna intuhom premju.
Paul Catania
Jul 29th 2010, 12:30
P. Borg u kemm-il darba ppruvaw iferu lis-suldati taghna bi hgieg, fliexken imkissrin, jobzqulhom, igarawhom l-urina u l-hmieg taghhom, iqabbdu s-sodod mad-dawl halli malli jmorru s-suldati jaghmlu spezzjon joqtluhom, kemm ghamlu skieken minn bicciet tal-hadid, kemm harqu u kissru, marru jattakkaw dar ta' spettur Hal-Luqa u hafna affarijiet li jaghmluhom biss is-slavag. Dawn tridu jintegraw maghna? U mela le!
Tony Gatt
Jul 29th 2010, 12:47
Tghid mhux hemm nibqghu Paul Catania. Ma rridu lil hadd minnhom jibqa' hawn Malta u jkollhom jitilqu bilfors.
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 13:13
perhaps you can enlighten us as to how you are going to do it in practice
Charlene Giordimaina
Jul 29th 2010, 14:22
*Clap hands* *Clap hands*
Evarist Saliba
Jul 28th 2010, 14:45
I note that the (ECHR) expressed doubts on a number of issues yet it came down heavily on Malta to compensate a person who had been found guilty of being involved in the TRADE in human beings, FOR PROFIT, between Libya and Europe. The ECHR neede not have worried about this person endangering his life by leaving Malta illegally. He had already done it on a far longer voyage from Libya.
For anyone to claim that this person has been treated like an animal in Malta is vile.
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 14:10
i suggest that we leave the interpretation of the convention to the judges who are experts in it.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 14:27
leaving aside the law, which clearly grants the right to all immigrants to apply for asylum, it is indeed sad to see how right michael jackson was when he sang that "they don't really care about us".
P. Borg
Jul 29th 2010, 11:16
In fact, YOU DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT YOURSELF - ACTUALLY ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY ABOUT YOUR PEOPLE - who I believe should be the maltese who grew you up and not the africans. Li ma kienux il-maltin ta qablek li firxulek is-sodda kieku mghandekx il-lussu illum li tiddefendi lil dawn. Haddiehor hadem biex jifrex is-sodda lilek ghax int malti u int tarmi kollox u ittih lil barranin li wara kollox ghalihom mint xejn hlief xi hadd li jridu jisfruttaw. Haqqek capcipa!!!!!!! Li kont minnek nidhol fin-negozjati ghal bejgh ta Malta.
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 14:07
nonsense. i repeat for the umpteenth time that maltese law grants immigrants the right to seek asylum.as simple as that. it is not "selling" the country, except in the opinion of diehards.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 13:50
Immigration into Malta is regulated by the Immigration Act of 1970, Chapter 217 of the Laws of Malta, and the subsidiary legislation enacted there under. The treatment of asylum seekers is regulated by the Refugees Act 2000, Chapter 420 of the Laws of Malta, and related subsidiary legislation, in particular the Reception of Asylum Seekers (Minimum Standards) Regulations (S.L. 420.06 of 22 November 2005).
Paul Debattista
Jul 28th 2010, 17:51
Then they should all be changed to provide for the expulsion of all illegal immigrants the moment they set foot on Malta Grima
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 13:13
LOL
Guido Farrugia
Jul 28th 2010, 13:31
Rock bottom. We're stuck with the system mates. Watch your language and writing as you might be fined roughly 500 euros and a suspended prison sentence. I know what i'm talking about, do you?
I M Dingli
Jul 28th 2010, 12:36
@ Sean Grima
As always, you hide behind a smoke screen. Mr. Grima.......Empty vessels make most sound!! I hope you will have the same opinion in a few years time when you will be in a situation close to what I described. It is very easy to comment and play the role of the holier than thou when you have no experience. You like to point out the fact that you have been to Africa (which I seriously doubt), was it for vacation or leisure Mr. Grima? Did you really have contact with persons in need or just wannabies?
'saying that the constitution has been drafted to protect Malta’s interest is a vague statement with no legal meaning' .... as if you have stated anything different!! Can you state article numbers etc to back your statements? I too can play that game.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 13:31
the right to asylum is granted by the Immigration Act.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 14:17
ah yes, i was in africa on missionary work and on a short holiday too. in spite of the excruciating poverty you see, i must admit that most of the people i met were extremely kind and welcoming.
Joseph Busuttil
Jul 28th 2010, 17:53
Then go back and help them there and see where the 50 billion US$ that have been sent for many many years to Africa end up Sean
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 14:15
valid point, they certainly did not trickle down to the people you would like to send back to continue living in misery.
J. Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 15:59
@ Sean Grima
If you are the Sean Grima that I vaguely know, the one who went to St. Edwards College, then I can merely state that you do not know what REAL hard working Maltese citizens will be facing if this illegal immigration scam continues to flourish in the forthcoming years.
Sean Grima
Jul 30th 2010, 09:01
hawn izjed minn hmar wiehed :)
gaffarena joseph
Jul 28th 2010, 11:29
I, assume that Mr.Massoud, is still receiving the social benefits from our pockets.
We have to make an end of all this talking,and better if we put pressure in our members
of the house, because it is their duty to monitor this illegal invasion ,and understand that the majority of the people are AGAINST this illegal landing of people coming from Libja,and not from their own country.They have no right to stay here.
In the coming election I, will vote to that party that will solve this well organized crime,that in a few years time we will be experiencing the dark side of this story.
Stanley Caruana
Jul 28th 2010, 12:30
I and my families who are politically mixed shall as from the next election only vote for a party that promises to take us out of the EU, get rid of all illegal immigrants in Malta, revoke citizenship given to foreigners who married in a marriage of convenience and prevent foreigners from working unless they are married to a Maltese citizen. The PLPNAD alliance can forget our votes. You asked for it and you shall get it.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 13:32
in practice, you shall not be voting for anyone, or for a minority party.
Stanley Caruana
Jul 28th 2010, 14:51
Don't count your chickens before they hatch Grima
Charles Sammut
Jul 28th 2010, 15:33
That is how minority parties become a force to be reckoned with.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 16:01
yes, like AN did!
Jane Sammut
Jul 28th 2010, 18:04
Mr Stanley Caruana, that is exactly what our families which similarly are politically mixed have decided. This is the only way forward to end the political scam which politicians are continuously pulling on us.
Tony Bartolo
Jul 28th 2010, 18:22
Mr Stanley Caruana, that's an excellent idea which we will be certainly be discussing in our families.
Amanda Catania
Jul 29th 2010, 09:53
Very good advise Mr Caruana. We discussed this issue with our families and decided that we will do so until the political parties promise to do exactly what you have said. Spread the word around with all your families and friends. This is the only way to change things. Show the politicians that they are our servants not masters.
Sylvia Sammut
Jul 29th 2010, 12:10
Mr Caruana, yesterday I discussed this with my husband because we are extremely worried with having thousands of illegal immigrants about whom we don't know anything running around in our streets. We consider them all as a threat to ourselves and our children. So yes, we discussed this between ourselves and will also do so with the rest of our families and agree with your suggestion. The politicians shall get our answers on our vote.
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 14:13
seems a lot of people are plain paranoid. they are worried about african immigrants, because their skin colour makes them easy to identify, without realising that people are not dangerous or otherwise based on skin colour.
Joseph Vassallo
Jul 28th 2010, 11:22
Isn't there a jurisdiction issue in this case?
Does a non-European have access to the European court? I didn't think that was possible; so was it a lapsus on the part of the government not to object to this recognition or am I totally off-track?
Begging to be educated, I am, if you please.
Let's see, 10,000 immigrants @ €12,000 each = 120,000,000
That's 120 million Euros if I have my zeros added correctly.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 12:08
don't you think that if there was a jurisdiction issue, the legal minds involved would have considered it?
Joseph Vassallo
Jul 28th 2010, 14:49
@ Sean Grima: Do they always?
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 16:01
yes
I M Dingli
Jul 28th 2010, 11:18
@ Sean Grima
I have been following your input in relation to this subject on various articles over the past days. What I have concluded is that you are still young and thus have no clue of the hardships everyone here goes through to just make ends meet at the end of the month.
When I read these kind of articles, naturally, I am really annoyed about them because I see things from the financial aspect. Obviously because at the end of the day, rights or no rights, I have to pay bills and buy stuff etc.
You on the other hand interpret these articles from the emotional point of view and whenever someone challenges you with arguments, you just flee and hide behind an petty excuse like 'cause the law states this' or 'they have every right to apply for ...'.
If you want to state laws, I state that the Maltese Constitution has been drafted to protect the Maltese livelihood but unfortunately, it seems it is not being given priority at all. What shall we do, call a quo vadis?
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 12:04
age is irrelevant.
saying that the consitution has been drafted to protect malta's interest is a vague statement with no legal meaning.
i repeat, that whether anyone like it or not, the law protects the right to seek asylum.
Paul Muscat
Jul 28th 2010, 13:18
Sean Grima, seeing that you always say that the law say this and the law says that you have been specifically asked many times by various correspondents to tell them what are your qualifications in law especially international law, but you never give an answer. So my guess is that you simply make up what you think is the law and not what the law actually is.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 13:59
you are free not to believe me. if so, go and do some research.
Muscat Pat
Jul 28th 2010, 11:10
Whilst the English rhyme: remember, remember the fifth of November, the Maltese should rhyme: remember, remember the referendum of the 8th of March 2003!.
Its too late now, smart people use their brains before things happen ; not after!
lgalea
Jul 28th 2010, 12:04
Muscat Pat you are wrong. We can still have another referendum and get out of the crap eu. It only needs people to shout and keep shouting for it. Do not believe those who tell you that we cannot or that it's not in our interest to leave or that it has been decided once and for all or that we should not rock the boat or that we will loose credibility etc etc. Have a look at this European Parliament video of how we can get out of the crap eu and get rid of all our problems especially those created by illegal immigrants.
See the video Pat.
http://www.europarltv.europa.eu/YourParliament.aspx?action=viewVideo&packageid=f5077c6b-3b92-4a1f-8271-c7a49c3bc6e8
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 13:33
ah, how lawrence wishes for another referendum! THAT is his real agenda: a second beating!
lgalea
Jul 28th 2010, 14:46
Sean Grima why not try it and see Sean? Come on don't be a CHICKEN.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 16:04
the ball is in your court, the present situation is to my liking.
lgalea
Jul 28th 2010, 18:14
But it's not to the liking of more than 80% of respondents to the poll Sean Grima. Patience Sean, patience for the right time.
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 15:17
ah, you really need to be patient to wait for a day which will never come!
D.Farrugia
Jul 28th 2010, 11:10
What next?First the Syrian guy who married a maltese girl for convenience and then married a russian girl and we maltese taxpayers had to fork out a certain sum of money cause his marriage was not registered here in Malta because the marriage with the maltese was for convenience to get maltese nationality and now this illegal immigrant after saving him at sea we maltese taxpayers have to compensate him after giving him health care and giving him food.I think that its true that, that is what you get for helping someone in distress.The authorities should take this as a lesson and turn all the boat people back from where they came.That is the thanks we get for helping them.I think this case is going to be an example for other illegal immigrants cause after all these people entered our country ILLEGALLY.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 12:09
whether they entered illegally or not, they have a right to seek asylum - granted to them by maltese law.
P. Borg
Jul 29th 2010, 11:18
Ipprova idhol il-libya illegalment u ara jirnexxilekx tapplika ghal asylum imbaghad kellimna.
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 14:14
of course not, libya does not grant the right to asylum.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 11:04
ignorance knows no bounds. they do not even know that the ECHR has nothing to do with EU law. no wonder!
lgalea
Jul 28th 2010, 11:23
Sean Grima the ECHR does not but we are lumping the illegal immigrants because the eu orderef EFA in 2002 to repeal the reservations that the Government had made when it signed the Refugee Convention and ordered him to apply the eu Dublin II Convention which prevents us from allowing the illegal immigrants to continue on their way to other eu countries and we have to keep them here.
KSciberras
Jul 28th 2010, 11:44
Sean Grima,
How old are you? Do you have a job? If so, I do not think you mind paying the 12,000 all by yourself since you are so eager and fervent to defend these so called human rights for illegal immigrants. Mr. Grima, have you heard of Al Qaida? Have you heard of sleeper cells? Are you aware some of these people are economic "refugees"? Some of them are criminals?
FYI my best man was African-american so I hold no rascist feelings. I do feel Malta with its limited resources is heading to an economic crisis regardless who is in power if something is not done to curb the excesses and wastes going on in this country.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 12:05
whatever.
Joe Bugeja
Jul 28th 2010, 13:22
I posted a question and this reminder to you yesterday, but you still haven't answered.
Sean Grima, you have not answered my quesion.
What are your qualifications in law?
No answer means that you don't have any.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 14:01
my qualifications are irrelevant: what is relevant is whether what i am stating is true or not. you have still not quoted any counter-legal argument, as, in fact, you cannot deny the existence of the right to seek asylum.
Paul Brincat
Jul 28th 2010, 18:19
Others have already answered you many times Sean Grima but you continuously refuse to listen. The right of asylum is only in the first country which is not their own. They crossed many countries and have been living in Libya for years on end and they are simply economic migrants. If they were in any threat to their lives they would not have gone to Libya and stayed there for years.
John Pace
Jul 28th 2010, 18:28
Of course they are relevant Mr Grima, because if you have not studied law you cannot understand and interpret it. Otherwise there would be no need for lawyers.
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 08:41
1. rather than questioning my qualifications, you should be doing your research to come up with counter-legal arguments. i still have not heard one.
2. the right to asylum applies in the first safe country. not all countries are signatories to the UN convention, and not all (including Libya) are safe. if that were the case, the Refugees COmmissioner would refuse all asylum applications. or will you also be questioing the credentials of the commissioner?
Stanley Caruana
Jul 29th 2010, 12:32
If you are qualified why are you hiding your qualifications Mr Grima
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 14:16
i am waiting for your counter arguments.
Emmanuel Ebejer
Jul 28th 2010, 10:54
@Vasilisa Brandenburg
Since you have so much respect for this guy, why don't you personally take him in. I'm sure you'll be singing from a different hymn book after a few weeks. Put your money where your mouth is, otherwise...mind your own business.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 10:58
who do you think you are to order her about? doesn't she have a right to express her opinion as much as you do?
Joseph Busuttil
Jul 28th 2010, 11:02
And who do you think you are to tell us to keep lumping illegal immigrants Sean Grima?
bryan sullivan
Jul 28th 2010, 11:12
surprise surprise mr. grima...............mr ebejer also has a right to express an opinion which incidentally is shared by the VAST MAJORITY OF MALTESE !
Josephine Callus
Jul 28th 2010, 11:12
No Mr Grima. She has no right to interfere in our affairs and should look at what happens in her own country. The illegal immigrants are a threat to us and our children and a threat to our security. When is Dr Gonzi going to expel all illegal immigrants from Malta? Remember election time is getting nearer and nearer Dr Gonzi.
bryan sullivan
Jul 28th 2010, 11:12
surprise surprise mr. grima...............mr ebejer also has a right to express an opinion which incidentally is shared by the VAST MAJORITY OF MALTESE !
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 11:15
it is maltese law which grants all migrants the right to seek asylum, not me.
Joe Borg
Jul 28th 2010, 12:02
so why don't they do it the proper way - and send documents beforehand -
and no just present them self to us on a piece of wood in the middle of the sea - manipulating the mercy perhaps!
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 12:06
she is expressing an opinion, not interfering.
i did not say emanuel ebejer does not have a right to express his opinion, i said that she has a right TOO!
Joe Bugeja
Jul 28th 2010, 12:08
Dr Gonzi had better change it
Jane Galea
Jul 28th 2010, 12:11
lgalea is correct Mr Sean. It is EU law, the Dublin II Convention which the EU made Dr EFA and Dr Gonzi implement that is making us keep all the illegal immigrants in Malta.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 13:34
The right to seek asylum is granted by the Immigration Act. If it was changed because of the EU, that is yet another benefit of EU membership!
T Camilleri
Jul 28th 2010, 14:49
Sure it is another benefit Mr Sean Grima. For the human traffickers and for those who seek cheap labour.
Joe Borg
Jul 28th 2010, 10:51
Sean -- i ll wait for your comments when all the other migrants will start asking for compensation for this and that - Unfortunately one tries to help, and it all back fires with such attitudes and stupid compensations -
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 10:57
ok, perhaps we should amend the law to say that compensation should not be paid to migrants for violation of their human rights? or should we go the whole way and say that human rights do not apply to migrants?
Paul Muscat
Jul 28th 2010, 11:03
We should scrap all refugees laws Sean Grima because they are being abused left right and centre by your friends.
Joe Borg
Jul 28th 2010, 11:09
before shoving in Human rights pls come up with a solution for our particular situation involving migrants -
I trust you agree that ppl coming in with no documents on a boat from Libya are not be allowing running around our island - else then we push forward our basic human right for security and peace -
who tells you, these ppl are no terrorist, criminal and whatever - they have no documents to prove anything --
this human right thing is becoming a joke, read somewhere else that an alleged drug trafficker was released from prison, (he was in there because he violated his bail conditions) because our courts were in breach of his human rights.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20100728/local/detention-breached-human-rights
Joe Borg
Jul 28th 2010, 11:13
and i also do believe that your are bending this human right thing -
is someone enters illegal in your property, you are saying you have no right to defend and protect yourself, because you may go against one of the intruder's human right -
come on - let's get practical
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 11:18
maltese law grants all migrants - even those arriving with no documents on a boat from Libya - the right to seek asylum and protection of fundamental human rights.
lgalea
Jul 28th 2010, 11:25
Joe Borg have you never heard of sleeping or sleeper cells? Here are a few links to help you understand what they are.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-sleeper-cell.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clandestine_cell_system
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/al-qaida-sleeper-cells.htm
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sleeper+cell
http://www.seaburn.com/sleeping_cells_terrorists_among.htm
http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/jul/09glasgow9.htm
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/3501.asp
http://alqaedanews.blogspot.com/
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 14:04
x'ghandu x'jaqsam? of course, you have a right to defend yourself if you are attacked - i cannot understand what this has to do with the case at hand.
Joe Borg
Jul 29th 2010, 10:09
Mr Grima, you have confirmed many times over that as the saying goes "The law is an ass, and it's makers are it's parents".
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 14:17
could be, but it is what it is.
I M Dingli
Jul 28th 2010, 10:50
@ Sean Grima
X'ghandu x'jaqsam li qed tghid int Sean Grima? Hekk issostni l-argument tieghek, billi izzeffen li ghax mhux Malti etc... tista tispjegali ghalfejn Algerin qed japplika ghal 'asylum' meta ma hemmx gwerrer f'pajjizu jew trattament hazin? Dan missa tara l-qorti Ewropea.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 10:55
everyone has a right to seek asylum: whether he is entitled to or not is decided by the refugee commissioner. the fact that the decision is negative does not mean that he can be detained arbitrarily.
Joseph Cauchi
Jul 28th 2010, 10:47
Does anyone know who was the Maltese lawyer representing Mr. Massoud?
JC.
Joe Borg
Jul 28th 2010, 12:04
i read somewhere it is DR Micheal Cammilleri
Sean Grima
Jul 30th 2010, 09:07
are you proposing to hound him?!
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 10:47
a quick glance at the comments made by anti-immigrants shows what kind of rude, hate-filled people we are dealing with.
Kevin Formosa
Jul 28th 2010, 10:59
A detailed analysis of the comments show that the Maltese are fed up of people like yourself and these so called NGO's and Catholic Groups whom pretend they are chosen for some kind of missionary work with these Klandestini.. You can accomplish your mission, no problem mate, but on their soil not ours.....
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 11:21
the "klandestini" are entitled to seek asylum, and remain in maltese whilst their case is being heard, according to Maltese law, not some decision by the NGOs
Frans Buttigieg
Jul 28th 2010, 11:34
Mr Kevin Formosa the Catholic Church is going to lose a lot more of its faithful if it continues in its stance in favour of illegal immigrants and does not reign in the JRS.
Tony Gatt
Jul 28th 2010, 10:39
Give him the order of the boot from Malta and tell the European Court where to shove their judgment.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 10:38
nobody would be complaining had the person been maltese. what's good for the goose does not seem to be good for the gander!
Tommy Cassar
Jul 28th 2010, 10:48
Sean Grima Maltese are not illegal immigrants in their own country.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 11:00
the law protects everyone's human rights, irrespective of whether s/he is here legally or illegally.
John Gatt
Jul 28th 2010, 11:05
We do not care a hoot about the illegal immigrants Sean Grima and we want them OUT OF MALTA.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 11:23
i know you do not care a hoot. thankfully, they are protected by maltese law.
Kevin Formosa
Jul 28th 2010, 10:24
Kif alla jridna gejna dal- pajjiz, mela dan dahal illegalment f'pajjizna, u apparti ikel, xorb, mobile, servizzi ta sahha b'xejn, etc se naghtuh 12.000 euro...Dan ser jaghti bidu ghall hafna ohrajn bix jaghmlu l-istess u nitghabbew b'xeba taxxi ohra biex jaghmel tajjeb ghall ispejjez!!
Tony Zammit
Jul 28th 2010, 10:14
Don't go out to save them. Let the Libyans save them. This is the thanks we get.
Vasilisa Brandenburg
Jul 28th 2010, 10:13
It hurt doesnt it? Well learn to respect others and learn that law applies to all and not as per nationality. Well done EU Court!!!
Kevin Formosa
Jul 28th 2010, 10:34
Who the 'Fish' are you to speak to us about respect?!?!?? Where are you from? Your country does not help our island by taking some off here!! What about the burden sharing your much acclaimed EU has spoken about in the past!! We are left alone in the middle and have to fight for our own....
Michael Gatt
Jul 28th 2010, 10:55
Why don't you tell your own government to take all the illegal immigrants to your country Vasilisa Brandenburg and stop interfering in our internal affairs.
George Fenech
Jul 28th 2010, 12:18
How about keeping them all at your own home at your own expense Vasilisa Brandenburg? Put into practice what you preach Vasilisa Brandenburg. Or is that so hard to do Vasilisa Brandenburg?
Paul Saliba
Jul 28th 2010, 10:11
SCRAP ALL REFUGEES LAWS AND GET ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS OUT OF MALTA.
M. Galea
Jul 28th 2010, 10:01
I am really disgusted with this court ruling. Cannot understand why an Algerian was not immediatly sent back to his country in the fisrt place. Algerians have no problems in their country and have absolutly no right for Asylum status. This confirms the Goverment stand to send them all back, period!! what ever the Jesuits, UNCR and all the others say. The Goverment should ignore completly this ruling and do not pay compensation.
Gino Caruana
Jul 28th 2010, 09:38
Ghalli jista jkun l-Avukat li kellu ma kienx Malti ukoll hux ??????
Sergio Vassallo
Jul 28th 2010, 10:37
Iva Surf Gino Caruana. " The applicant was represented by Dr Michael Camilleri, a lawyer practising in Valletta." Funny that the original link is no longer working, but I downloaded the judgment yesterday.
The new link is
http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/view.asp?item=8&portal=hbkm&action=html&highlight=&sessionid=57494871&skin=hudoc-en
Also have a look at these links
http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/view.asp?item=2&portal=hbkm&action=html&highlight=24340/08&sessionid=57494192&skin=hudoc-cc-en
Statement of facts
http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/view.asp?item=1&portal=hbkm&action=html&highlight=24340/08&sessionid=57494509&skin=hudoc-cc-en
Statement of facts 2
Main site for recent case links
http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/portal.asp?sessionId=57494871&skin=hudoc-en&action=request
rebecca park
Jul 28th 2010, 09:26
we have homelress maltese people,we have people who have no electricity cause of being single with kids and now we have klandestini being paid 12,000 for coming into our country illegal.first help the maltese then the extras cause maltese need it more.ahdem habib ha thallas t-taxxa u intuwom lil klandestini!!!!!!
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 11:01
if they have no electricity it is because they haven't paid a bill, not because they are single with kids.
John Gatt
Jul 28th 2010, 11:09
It's because they cannot afford to pay it Sean Grima and that means that they must be helped because their parents and even themselves have paid tax in Malta and not helping illegal immigrants who have never paid a single euro cent to Malta and have the arrogance not only to continue imposing themselves upon us against our wishes but have the gall to sue us. No Mr Grima, as someone else said give them all the order of the boot and never let any illegal immigrants land in Malta. Push them all back to Libya.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 11:22
that would be in violation of the same maltese law you are shouting about.
Paul Debattista
Jul 28th 2010, 12:15
Mr Sean Grima, as others have said change the law so that they will be expelled and not allowed a single moment on Maltese soil.
Tony Zammit
Jul 28th 2010, 12:20
As the song goes, change it dear Sean, change it.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 16:02
no sensible govenrnment will deny the right to asylum.
J.Camilleri
Jul 28th 2010, 09:22
VIva L-Ewropaaa !!! Dak li jigri meta tivvota IVA ghall kollox !!! this is just the beginning !
Carmelo Briffa
Jul 28th 2010, 10:33
Naqbel mighek 100%. Sur Camilleri.
Meta ser ikolna partit politiku li johrogna min din in-nassa li dahluna fiha.
Karmnu.
Joe Gauci
Jul 28th 2010, 10:45
Carmelo Briffa meta l-poplu jwassal il-messagg tieghu billi l-ewwel jivvota imbghad jikteb il-messagg fuq il-vot. Hekk biss jifhmu l-partiti politici qaddejja fidili tal-barrani. Il-messaggi ghandhom jitwasslu mill-ewwel elezzjoni li jmiss tal-Kunsilli Lokali u jibqghu sejrin hekk sakemm jisimghu ghax issa qed jistennew li l-poplu jqum u jaghmel xi wahda kbira li tibqa' tissemma ghax issa kulhadd imdejjaq u mxabba mill-klandestini u mill-politici u l-rodnijiet minn barra.
g.c.Forte
Jul 28th 2010, 11:10
Naqbel maghkhom 100 %. L- ewwel ma ghandu jghamel il poplu hu li jinjora il granet ta l-imsejha indipendenza 21 ta settembru 1964, ghax ma ghadnhiex indipendenti. Dik li suppost hija ir republika, 13 ta dicembru 1974, ghax ma ghadnhiex Republikani B` Kostituzzjoni taghna,u aktar u aktar jum il helsien 31 ta marzu 1979, ghax min jghejd li ahna hielsa, ikun qeghed jghejx fl-akbar gidba.( ma uzajx " capital letters " apposta, ghax ghalija dawn il granet spiccaw f` mejju tat 2004 ), meta l - Ewropa hakmitna taht idejha.
lgalea
Jul 28th 2010, 11:20
Carmelo Briffa go to the CNI website at http://www.cnimalta.org/Petizzjoni%20Popolari.pdf and download the petition for the government to take concrete action to stop illegal immigration to our country, sign it and get your families and friends to sign it and send it to the CNI at the address on the main webpage www.cnimalta.org. This is what the petition says
Petizzjoni Popolari kontra l-immigrazzjoni illegali
Popular Petition against illegal immigration
Aħna ċ-ċiittadini Maltin nappellew lill-Parlament Malti jieħu azzjoni konkreta
mingħajr aktar dewmien ħalli titwaqqaf l-immigrazzjoni illegali f’pajjiżna.
We Maltese citizens appeal to the Maltese Parliament to take concrete action
without any further delay to stop illegal immigration in our country.
Karta ta’ identita’ Firma
Identity Card Number Signature
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 12:07
laws are not changed by petitions or online polls.
Paul Catania
Jul 28th 2010, 12:37
Sur g.c.Forte, jekk tara l-attendenza li jkun hemm tara li l-poplu qed jinjorahom ghax jaf li tilifhom u m'hemmx x'ticcelebra.
lgalea
Jul 28th 2010, 12:41
That's what you think Sean.
John Pace
Jul 28th 2010, 12:44
So are you in favour of continuing illegalities by the illegal immigrants and the human traffickers and loss of life Mr Grima?
Paul Brincat
Jul 28th 2010, 12:45
Not directly, bit if politicians disregard online polls and petitions they do so at their political peril Mr Grima.
Jeffrey Spiteri
Jul 28th 2010, 14:56
Mr g.c.Forte, nassigurak li Mintoff kien ikollu iktar nies meta kien jaghmel xi corner meeting milli qed ikun hemm nies f'dawk l-okkazjonijiet li semmejt.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 16:03
no, i am in favour of allowing all those whose seek asylum to have their case heard. if it is rejected, they can then be deported.
Ksciberras
Jul 28th 2010, 08:53
Prosit! Now out of taxpayer money we have to pay this guy. In the meantime, the VAT department is still withholding 1000s of euros from legitimate businesses, using the VAT scandal as an excuse, and in this time of recession.
change the government website to www.kollox-ghal-gol-hajt.com!
T Camilleri
Jul 29th 2010, 12:20
Ksciberras slight correction, www.sibnalqieghuqedinkomplunhaffru.com
g.c.Forte
Jul 28th 2010, 08:44
Dan huwa kollu paroli fil vojt...............Il mistoqsija l- importanti hi..........MIN SER IHHALLASHOM IT 12,000 ewro. Il gvern ? ir Refugee Commissioner ? il Magistrati ? Il Kummissarju tal pulizija ? xi hadd iehor ?................... jew INT u JIEN. ? stenbah ja poplu.
M Pace
Jul 28th 2010, 08:17
A law should be passed that illegal immigrants coming from Tunesia Algeria Morrocco and Libja should be deported forthwith because we are going into alot of trouble.
JOe VELLa
Jul 28th 2010, 08:16
Sir,
Would it be nice after the EU court decided a 12,000 euro penalty in favor of a foreign illegal emigrant, we try to make up to this poor person, I suggest to invite him to Castile and have the cheque presented to him by our prim minister as a gesture of good faith, ofcourse with photographers taking pictures, who knows, maybe the word spread that coming here it is a land of honey for all, except for the locals who are paying the bill!. He should be given to wear a new suit, new mobile, sun glasses, new travelling bag, new hat. you know, the like we see when these illegals are found another country to settle.
What a joke if it is not so ridiculous!
These things only happen in Malta!
C Cassar
Jul 28th 2010, 08:09
what about MY human right to enjoy the money I earn legally by doing my job, instead of paying for people such as this one?
JOe VELLa
Jul 28th 2010, 07:47
@Susanne Herold
I do not know what nationality you are! In Malta we have a saying: 'We salute with the hat we got!
The locals are over taxed, service in general need a lot to be desired, cost of living keep going up. Some pensioners are known they do not make it till the end of the month!
And you come along advising us that a small island like us could not treat illegals like animals.
Thank you mamm for your wisdom!
I for one (a pensioner) would want to give (ALL ILLEGALS) coming a red carpet the like that was not given to them by their mother country.
What I do not want is give to all comers something we do not have?
As I always say: 'Viva EU', another 12,000 euro down the drain. Try your luck and give us another chance to vote if we are in favor to stay in the EU!
Darren Vella
Jul 28th 2010, 07:46
The only solution is immediate deportation, keep sending back to Libya.
The government should listen to the majority of the Maltese people.
Carmel Cilia
Jul 28th 2010, 07:45
Prosit eh some years back my family had a court case which took nearly ten years to conclude. On the day that this case had to be terminated to our horror we were informed that the file was lost. When we contacted our laywer a well renowned layer by the way he told us we had to start all over again. Needless to say we gave up the case and were left with this injustice.
Now today I hear that as a taxpayer the money I paid through my nose in taxes are to be diverted to an illigal immigrant. Who is doubting that the people should manifest another 'sette Gugnio.
GiovDeMartino
Jul 28th 2010, 07:43
The cherry on the cake! Kif tista' ma tgorrx!
Kevin Formosa
Jul 28th 2010, 10:19
Dak li jigri meta jkollok gvern bazwi u joqghod ghall kollox habib....ifhimni!!!
Chris Mifsud
Jul 28th 2010, 07:04
This is more proof that the best and only option we have is to turn back towards Libya each & every boatload of ILLEGAL immigrants.
Malta cannot afford compensation claims like this. Now that one ILLEGAL immigrant has managed to win compensation, they will all copy.
S Zammit
Jul 28th 2010, 06:49
Nothing against immigrants, however giving out tax money to someone who did nothing but add expense to our country doesn't sound right to me, whatever the eu court said. He even landed in jail while he was here.
I hope this bill is matched by another bill to Mr. Massoud for the expenses he tabbed on Malta from the day the was rescued till the day he leaves.
Jane Vella
Jul 28th 2010, 01:20
X'WICC TOST! DIN HI L-GRAZZI LI NIEHDU talli nighbatu s-soldati ta' l-AFM (li jirriskjaw hajjithom) biex isalvalhom hajtu (il-maggoranza il-kbira, u mhux l-uhud kazi li b'forsi b'xi mod huma regujati genwini).
Kieku jien kont xi hadd, nsaffar mhux nibghatlihom patrol boat. La jikruha u jidhlu ghaliha, joqghodu ghaliha, jekk jafu, imma ma jafux. Hmar hu min jaqbez ghalihom.
Franco Farrugia
Jul 28th 2010, 00:54
Just because he was saved from drowning, makes him any less a human being than the rest of us? Good! He did well! Good luck to him. Perhaps this country will start learning what it means to be in the middle of a civilised world.
Charles Sammut NY USA
Jul 28th 2010, 00:29
I read of a couple if instances in The Times where illegals were detained and arrested when they tried to leave the Island with fake documents. Does anyone really care? If this is not folly by the authorities I don't know what is. Let them leave. They came illegally to begin with so they should not be stopped trying to leave whether they have the right documents or not. As a matter of fact they should be helped and aided in leaving. Then housing them and paying them off after they find a ligitimate gripe would not be possible.
N. Bonello
Jul 28th 2010, 00:13
Any Tax payable on this 12,000 windfall ? Probably not.
'Mr Massoud remained in detention awaiting removal until 6 January 2009 when his removal order was lifted in view of the lack of prospects of his eventual deportation'.
His asylum application was rejected (like the vast majority) so he was NEVER a refugee. Why was there 'lack of prospects of his eventual deportation' ? - should have sent him out on the next plane. Should be sent on the next plane out NOW.
Also, from what I can make out he only served 12 months out of the 18 month sentence (June 2006 to June 2007) - why ?
I'm sorry but these cases bring in a lot of questions rather than answers.
Kevin Zammit
Jul 27th 2010, 22:51
Are you people for real?
"On June 28, 2006 he was arraigned in court charged with aiding, assisting, counselling or procuring other persons to enter or to attempt to enter Malta or having conspired to that effect. He was remanded in custody."
....
2On 25 October 2006 the Court of Magistrates found Mr Massoud guilty and sentenced him to 18 months' imprisonment. "
This guy was found GUILTY and SENTENCED for trafficking in human beings!!!
Emmanuel Ebejer
Jul 27th 2010, 22:47
I'm sure a one way ticket to the farthest posssible destination is much less than €12,000..... so what are we waiting for!?
Tony Caruana
Jul 27th 2010, 22:41
viva l'EU
La krejtuwa ghoqodu ghalija issa
Joe Bonnici
Jul 27th 2010, 22:37
"Both facilities had been overcrowded, particularly in the summer months, with inadequate sanitary and other facilities, limited medical care, no possibility of constructive activities and limited recreational opportunities."
How much did he pay for his stay?
Andrew Gatt
Jul 27th 2010, 21:58
Let me see if tI understood this one:
AFM send some illegal migrants back to where they embarked from (Libya). All hell breaks loose...condemnation, statements, counter-statements, counter-counter-statements, accusations, insinuations etc.
An illegal migrant, rescued by same AFM, is processed, accused of a crime, found guilty, serves time, is released and put in a detention centre.
Said migrant sues the Maltese Government and wins 12,000 euros in compensation.
I did.
Joseph Cauchi
Jul 27th 2010, 21:52
When are we going to put it in our heads that these illegal immigrants are simply economic migrants who try and usurp the system to their advantage?
These people have no qualms or any inhibitions to invent all sorts of stories to get what they want; always at the expense of the Maltese taxpayer.
Unfortunately in Malta we have among us certain groups of people, institutions and NGOs whose priority is to encourage these illegal immigrants to cross over to Malta in order that that their agendas are satisfied and accomplished, such as the agenda of MULTI-CULTURALISM, irrespective whether this would be beneficial to the Maltese natives or not!
Wake up Malta, before it is too late and let’s not permit our country to be trodden upon and endanger our stability and survival as a nation!
After we have rescued the illegal immigrants and having sheltered them, fed them, pampered them and showered them with our social benefits; now they are starting demanding COMPENSATIONS!
What’s next?
Shall they be asking for our homes, too?
JC.
J S Borg
Jul 27th 2010, 21:52
The next step by the european court is to appoint the best architects and engineers to design the so called humane refugee camps. The camps have to be to the taste and according to specifications of each and every individual illegal immigrant. This is while I have to make do in my own country.
malcolm seychell
Jul 27th 2010, 21:39
@ susan herold
If you don't like it, just leave.
Deport illegal immigrants immediately. They are abusing the system
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 14:15
AN's debacle does not seem to have taught people a lesson.
wayne criggs
Jul 27th 2010, 21:07
A complete mismanagement from the maltese authorities and government. malta should:
(i)respect the human rights of immigrants
(ii) be harsher when it comes to fight for malta's rights to seek help from the EU
(iii) start preparing the pedament for the new society which should include the immigrants who were given asylum or the right to live in malta.
The afro-maltese are a new group of people which has to be addressed and we have to try to include them in our society before they build their own because they're ignored. we can't keep on talking abput how to keep immigrants off our shores, and not plan for the ones who are already here, have the right to stay here, and are already building a life here.
It depends from the work done today, if the afro-maltese will be integrated postively or isolated. I'm sure they prefer the former, and in our interest we should as well.
Joe Borg
Jul 29th 2010, 10:10
wayne criggs our interest is to get rid of them and not integrate them within Maltese sociwety and that is what we are gonna do.
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 14:13
how, exactly?
J. Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 14:26
@ Wayne Criggs
What Afro-Maltese? Who appointed you National Anthropologist of Malta? These people were not brought here as slaves, as is the case of the Afro-Americans who has have every right to live there.
These illegal immigrants come here with no documentation and a nice script, all claiming to be Somali refugees who have been driven out their war ravaged country. We can not believe all that they say and give them the right to bleed us dry of our money and live in our country. Malta, and Europe, has it's own problems right now, and the millions that are going to these illegal immigrants are not being invested into a future profit but rather going down the drain or back to their families in Africa. So Mr. Criggs I would like to ask you to stop speaking nonsense and think about your own, and your country's future unless you don't to end up as a slave in your own country!
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 15:05
wayne would be referring to children born to maltese and african parents, a number of which already exist.
J. Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 16:16
@ Sean Grima
Oh so now these handful children make up a community ay? So now you are segregating them and calling them Afro-Maltese. Paving the way to failure Mr. Grima, I think that is what your job is.....
Sean Grima
Jul 30th 2010, 09:06
calling them afro-maltese is not denigrating them in any way. it is your attitude towards them which is an attempt to do so.
Maria Borg
Jul 27th 2010, 20:50
A perfect way of sucking the system and our pockets, I guess the reason why they come here anyway. I have been waiting for 20 years for our road to be financed and surfaced. Who said we treat them like animals?
gaffarena joseph
Jul 27th 2010, 20:46
The SHAME is the way they are taking our jobs.
The SHAME is that they are having all social security,without giving anything back to our state.
M Muscat
Jul 27th 2010, 20:44
How can a person comes to a country illegal and than asks the government to give him 12,000euros?
Is this the new trend?
Kenny Ogunyemi
Jul 27th 2010, 20:41
Well said @ Sussanne Herold.
Kevin Formosa
Jul 28th 2010, 10:17
@ Kenny.... By any chance u're one of them?
Salvinu Vella
Jul 29th 2010, 12:41
Being one of them no one ever doubted that you would agree Kenny Ogunyemi
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 14:09
one of whom ? monkeys?
Franco Xuereb
Jul 27th 2010, 20:31
After I read this article, it shows that what I had been writing in the past is coming to reality. It won’t be long now before we have to provide these illegal immigrants with houses at the cost of our tax payers, as what is happening back in the U.K. Click to this site please......
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1293730/Somali-asylum-seeker-family-given-2m
The question that I put to my fellow citizens that are in favor and thus full out to help these illegal immigrants that are invading our home land, now that you have read the above article and read the article of the Daily mail. When will you realize what will happen to Malta in the near future?
To the government I say, wake up from your sleep and start acting in the interest of this great nation, You had showed your weakness in the last few years as you were unable to control the influx, but thanks to Mr. Silvio Berlusconi he had managed to take the bull by its horn, now follow suit and start repatriating all the illegal immigrants, if not for us at least for generations to come after us.
camilleri c
Jul 27th 2010, 20:21
if the government doesnt appeal this decision and sends all these illegal immigrants back to their place, Gonzi can forget my vote forever.
Louis Gialanze
Jul 27th 2010, 20:16
The immigration issue had been botched up from the very outset by a previous administration which opened up the floodgates of immigration under pressure from Brussels back in 2002. We now have to live with the consequences of that mistaken decision.
GiovDeMartino
Jul 27th 2010, 20:15
I am an old age pensioner and I have just received a note from the Tax Dept asking me to pay ......See where my taxes are going!!!!!!
Susanne Herold
Jul 27th 2010, 19:27
......a small island like Malta does not mean you can treat humans like animals! SHAME!
J. J. Borg
Jul 27th 2010, 20:18
Agreed. Too many use the excuse that we are a small, over-populated country to justify mistreatment of those who enter the country illegally. In another country, those responsible for this incident would be prosecuted. But this is Malta.
kenneth camilleri
Jul 27th 2010, 20:39
is this Susanne Herold from CDU party of Germany........
Franco Xuereb
Jul 27th 2010, 20:45
With reference to your comment, please feel free to make arrangements with our respective governments to take all the illegal immigrants from Malta to your respective country, where that may be and thus then we see how your fellow citizens acts......................
d. borg
Jul 27th 2010, 21:24
If you're so concerned why don't you take them to your country, whichever that may be?
Joe Borg
Jul 27th 2010, 22:24
Susanne Herold the shame is on you and the ECHR for supporting this illegal immigrant who should not have come here in the first place. The Prime Minister should make sure that no illegal immigrant is allowed to enter Malta, if they succeed to land in Malta they are expelled forthwith and expel all those who are already in Malta. This is getting too much beyond a joke.
T Camilleri
Jul 27th 2010, 22:25
Why don't you get lost suzanne?
Albert Sciberras
Jul 27th 2010, 22:39
Please mention, your country, and one case were these were treated like animals.
anthony mangion
Jul 28th 2010, 00:04
dear susanne herold,why is it someone like you dont understand that these men come without any documents,they know its illeagal like being kept over 18monthsis .these men want the cake and eat it .why dont some like you dont take these men feed them and offer all servieses we pay from our taxes from your own pockets.where are the european court of human rights when it comes to a country like ours being drained of money whic european contry help us to treat them better??????? you know whereshame is whe you and others like you think that these beggers can choose too.
Steve Demicoli
Jul 28th 2010, 06:36
Dear Ms Herold
So what does it mean to be a small island like Malta?
Does it mean that the illegals can threat the island like a pigfarm? - by smashing the detention centre, barricading it, throw the food in the faces of detention service employees and rubbish all over the place and burning the rooms at will - and on top of that expect tp have it refurbished up to a 5-star hotel standard from the limited Maltese funds - only to destroy it again at will?
Salvinu Vella
Jul 28th 2010, 09:29
Susanne Herold the shame is on you for defending illegal immigrats and their actions instead of the rightful residents of Malta.
bryan sullivan
Jul 28th 2010, 09:33
suzanne herold............who you are i do not care ! where you come from even less ! what i care about is your ridiculous statement. these supposed refugees invade Malta with no papers to verify whether they are genuine or escaped criminals. they are fed housed clothed and given money. they benefit from hospital treatment in our five star hospital before me and others who like me pay their taxes. so please if you do not like the way we treat these illegal immigrants kindly give us your home address and telephone number and we shall pass them on to you.
Malcolm Felix
Jul 28th 2010, 09:44
If you're so gentle, you can offer them your house, cars, and all you got!
joe gatt
Jul 28th 2010, 09:55
The Maltese agree with you, bearing in mind, our overpopulated Islands, economic situation, extremly high cost of livng, low living standard, medical system bankrupt, pensions under threat ect ect.
We should place these visitors in a Five Star Hotel, give them a cushy well paid job,then they may be able to pay their for their stay.
Not unless, you want to foot the bill, my dear.
Charles Vassallo
Jul 28th 2010, 10:06
J. J. Borg why don't you go to Africa J.J. Borg.
Kevin Formosa
Jul 28th 2010, 10:09
@ Suzanne...... If you like them so much, please do us a favour and take them to live with you at your home, you can prepare food, give them clothes and even wash them if you like!!!!
Josepg Camilleri
Jul 28th 2010, 19:01
http://www.wahl.de/politiker/cdu/susanne-herold
Susanne Herold (CDU) auf Social Media Plattformen
James A. Tyrrell
Jul 27th 2010, 19:19
18 months I have to say was a bit excessive. It shouldn't have taken any more than 18 hours to make arrangements to send this illegal person back to wherever he came from. However given the fact that Malta acted in what appears to be a totally legal manner in this case I fail to see why compensation should even be an issue in the case of an illegal immigrant. If it weren’t such a serious issue it would be funny.
J S Borg
Jul 27th 2010, 19:13
So we have illegal immigrants claiming refugee status coming from Tunis, Algeria Nigeria very soon we will be having illegal immigrants coming from Italy, France, USA, UK and similar countries. Well the Maltese courts are bit this and that, but most probably the EHRC is worse.
Louise Vella
Jul 27th 2010, 18:46
The link indicated in the article leads to a judgement in complicated legal language. unfortunately it dos not give the name of the Maltese lawyer for the illegal immigrant but it does say: "The applicant claimed 300,000 euros (EUR) in respect of non-pecuniary damage in respect of the alleged violations of Articles 3 and 5 §§ 1, 2, and 4 of the Convention."
Just imagine! 10 000 illegal immigrants claiming 300 000 euros each. That's 3 billion euros. And all that to say thank you for saaving them from drowning.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 11:06
it confirms that you are not competent to discuss legal matters.
Tony Bartolo
Jul 28th 2010, 11:44
Sean Grima it confirms that you are incompetent in these matters and that you don't have the faintest idea of patriotism and ready to sell your soul or mother for illegal immigrants. How about housing and keeping all illegal immigrants at your expense Sean? In Libya that is and not in Malta.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 13:35
i can assure you that i am competent to speak about law. what counts is the law.
Joseph Camenzuli
Jul 29th 2010, 12:44
Then why are you hiding your qualifications Mr Grima? Is it because you have none and if you quote any anyone can check and find out?
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 13:12
you should focus on my legal arguments, not my qualifications. neither you nor anyone else has come up with any legal counter-arguments, just a load of nonsense about immigrants taking our jobs and other hypothetical economic and social considerations.
j.camenzuli
Jul 27th 2010, 18:46
Great as a pensioner like others, I pay my taxes to the state which are now being awarded to illegal immigrants by the EU Courts to someone who has done nothing for our Island.
Paul Fenech
Jul 27th 2010, 18:18
Fejnu Bandy jekk qatt ma qal xejn sewwa qal wahda tajba ZGUR PAJJIZ TAL MICKEY MOUSE. Hekk sewwa tqannajna bijhom ikissru fix xhin iridu il barricks, il poplu ihallas ghal hsarat tagghom u sopra le corna bastonate naghtuhom il flus ukoll issa, proset .
Kemm qedhin sewwa is li sur Massoud itfawh five star hotel full board li ma jmurx jikkomplejnja fuq il post fejn ikun allogjat. U ejja aharbu min Malta.
C Cassar
Jul 28th 2010, 08:40
tantx tghajjat ghax hekk se nispiccaw daqt....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1293730/Somali-asylum-seeker-family-given-2m-house--complaining-5-bed-London-home-poor-area.html
M Vella
Jul 27th 2010, 18:06
Ara f'liema sitwazzjoni gejna ta?! Veru gwadanjajna li ssehibna fl-Unjoni imma xi prezz qed inhallsu!! Haddiehor jiddetta u ahna nbaxxu rasna!! hekk jonqos issa, noqghodu niddejnu biex inhallsu immigrant irregolari....nisperaw li ma jibdewx ifaqqsu issa!
Charles Sammut
Jul 27th 2010, 18:03
"The court said that it found it hard to conceive that in a small island like Malta, where escape by sea without endangering one's life was unlikely and fleeing by air was subject to strict control, the authorities could not have had at their disposal measures other than Mr Massoud's protracted detention to secure an eventual removal in the absence of any immediate prospect of his expulsion."
In this case the Court is not well informed. Or the Maltese government did not rebut this claim. Hundreds if illegal immigrants have been returned to Malta after escaping to mainland Europe. Sweden alone has sent back over 500. Therefore it is very easy to depart from Malta illegally using false documents or clandestine boat trips.
Malta is overflowing with illegal immigrants whose asylum claim has been rejected but are not repatriated because the Maltese government does not have the diplomatic clout to execute repatriations. These people are now roaming our streets and constanmtly getting themselves into trouble with the law. This is a grave threat to our security, but for the ECHR, the rights of criminals come before our rights.
A. Slater
Jul 27th 2010, 18:01
...and former prison guard Anthony Mifsud had to wait 28 years for his (more deservedly) compensation
A. Grech
Jul 27th 2010, 18:42
...u xi whud li gew ipprovati li sofrew ingustizzja, ghax Maltin, ghadom isaffru l-Aida
Alfred Bugeja
Jul 27th 2010, 17:44
Isn't this is the guy who claimed asylum saying that he was forced to flee Algeria because he was being persecuted by the Algerian government because he is a 'nuclear physicist'?
J. P. Zammit
Jul 27th 2010, 17:40
Now wait what will happen. More court cases of the same and more illegal immigrants invasion. And we Maltese do not know from where we are going to get our pension in the near future!!!??? Ha! Ha! Ha!
Mike Farrugia
Jul 27th 2010, 17:39
Mela jekk nibghatuhom lura mal-ewwel naqilghuha, u jekk inzommuhom naqilghuha xorta. Sejrin tajjeb mal-Qorti Ewropea.
Issa jmissna ntugh it-12,000 u maghhom il-kont tas-servizzi kollha li tajniegh.
u lill shabu nibghatuhom illum qabel ghada, ghax issa kolla jithajjru.
Mario Tabone
Jul 27th 2010, 17:39
X'baqa jonqos iktar naghtuhom lil dawn in nies!!! ??? Is this the shape of things to come???
Joe Borg
Jul 27th 2010, 17:37
I am changing my status to that of an illegal immigrant ---- x farsa!! - it have become a topic for a stand up comedy show ---
Malcolm Felix
Jul 27th 2010, 17:34
We should open a case to be compensated by abusing of the system!
Mark Bishop
Jul 27th 2010, 17:34
Wow. Can I also be detained for 18 months and be given €12,000?
dvella
Jul 27th 2010, 17:33
What is the European Court of Human Rights doing to defend the aborted foetus'. OH sorry they're not humans at all, for most courts including the so called European court of indefinite human rights!! That's how it should be called!!!
Eu courts, What a bunch of nonsense!!!!
Paul Barrett
Jul 27th 2010, 17:16
It gets totally ridiculous when a Country gets invaded by individuals without papers or reasonable justification to support a claim for asylum/refugee status and yet cannot either lock them up or return them to where they came from.
Louise Vella
Jul 27th 2010, 17:10
The solution is simple. The priority should be on repatriating these illegal immigrants to their home country as soon as possible. The EU should organise group charter flights to take illegal immigrants from various EU countries back to their home country.
Sean Grima
Jul 28th 2010, 11:30
i'm sure you'd be applying for a free ticket to paradise.
P. Borg
Jul 29th 2010, 11:22
Hu cans Sean applika u nahseb int tkun in Paradise!
N.Lawrence
Jul 27th 2010, 17:07
The European Court of Human Rights has ordered the Maltese government to pay an Algerian migrant, Khaled Louled Massoud, €12,000---
First of all, the taxpayers are footing the bill for the mistakes created by this disaster of an administration, now we are doing it again for an equally incompetent legal system.
Gervais Marcel Cishahayo
Jul 27th 2010, 18:05
Yes N.Lawrence,
There are some officials who overdo it and confuse between their own personal feelings with the official function(s) that they assume, which are governed by national and international laws.
This does not only concern immigrants, you would be surprised to know that so many citizens call fall victims of similar abusive of power. I am sure you need not me give you examples. The point is, whether against a citizen or an immigrant, abuse should not be tolerated.
R Z
Jul 27th 2010, 17:02
perfect, they come illegally (i.e. breaking the law), we offer them asylum: food, accommodation, safe place and monthly allowances; now we shall start paying them compensation ??
X'ma jigux !
The EU doesn't want to help us in any manner regarding relocation etc. then we get fined?
Europe should better pay up Malta, Italy and Spain to help 'assist them better' if thats what the EU wants.
Charlene Giordimaina
Jul 28th 2010, 15:14
Mhux hekk nibqghu Ryan.... imbaghad gejjin b'kemm Alla halaq skuzi u taparsi jitilqu jekk intuhom ir-refugee status. Dawk hawn jibqghu forsi jaqilghu xi 12,00- EUR ohra!!!
"Moreover, Mr Massoud had not shown any interest in being repatriated or sent to another destination"........... Imbasta taparsi telqu biex imorru l-Italja!!
P. Borg
Jul 29th 2010, 11:20
Dazgur mhux interessat imur lura, jibqa hawn, ikel b'xejn, mobile b'xejn, akkomodazzjoni b'xejn u by the way xi cheque ta xi sitt xhur paga b'xejn ukoll. Daqt nghid li qed jiksruli id-dirttijiet tieghi forsi niehu xi cheque jien ukoll. Ghalli jista jkun mhux se ntuh xi trip around Malta and Gozo fuq il-ferry b'xejn ukoll hux?
Sean Grima
Jul 29th 2010, 14:08
charlene, you need to wisen up from your 19 years. this P Borg seems to be ashamed to put his name to such comments.
T Camilleri
Jul 27th 2010, 17:01
this should serve as an eye opener so that whoever comes here illegally must be deported forthwith.
m.farrugia
Jul 27th 2010, 16:56
tajba ukoll mhux biss nakkomodawhom u jmissom jghidulna grazzi li ghadhom jghixu ghax salvajnihom mill-bahar, imma min fuq jifthu kawza kontra il-gvern Malti u jinghataw ragun u somma flus. Li jigu salvati jiena naqbel maghhom imma li jkun hawn minn jghidilhom x'ghandhom jaghmlu biex jaghmlu propaganda bihom ma naqbilx. Dawk li qed jghinu lil dawn in-nies kontra il-gvern malti ahjar jitilqu l-barra minn Malta lejn il-pajjiz minn fejn gejjin dawn l-emigranti huma.