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An indecent attitude

The other day I witnessed a modern form of "lynching". A young foreign student was wearing a bikini in Balluta Square. At first nobody said or did anything but as she decided to leave and was walking down the few steps to the pavement, a mature woman loudly screamed and ran towards her.

This attitude sparked off a crowd of around 10 persons all howling names at the bewildered girl: "dirty", "go home", "shame", "get dressed". One even threatened to throw her in the sea! At this point the foreign girl was joined by her friends and plucked up some courage. She crossed the road and took photos of the hostile crowd. Naturally this provoked more insults.

In no way am I condoning the girl's attire but surely there are decent ways to approach situations like these!

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Joseph MELI(on 2/8/10)
@Chris Mifsud::You stated "We need a government that makes any practice of the catholic religion and its teachings illegal." Very bad idea and wishful thinking too.....May I suggest that you should either go to China or Russia, where religion is performed in the hiding. Sorry NO Place for such a Government in Malta or Goz, as anything that goes against our faith we oppose it.

If you are not a believer, then let us practice our religion and what it's laws permit us to do and what it forbit us to perform.
E Borg(on 31/7/10)
What a joke... Foreigners come to Malta and compare Paceville to Reeperbahn in Hamburg (a red light district) and ask how come so many young girls look like they could be prostitutes, wheras a young student wearing a bikini within walking distance of a beach finds an angry mob...
Michael Spiteri(on 30/7/10)
So, men can go around in Valletta (or anywhere mind you) without a top on. And a woman cannot stay with a bikini in Balluta Square (or anywhere HOT for that matter?).

Get your head out from your.. "behind" dear people.
Claire Busuttil(on 31/7/10)
who said that it is ok, for men to go around with a bare tummy??
estelle grech(on 30/7/10)
In my opinion, it is not a matter of being a Catholic counrty, it is a matter of etiquette to wear the appropriate attire depending on the situation. Bikinis are appropriate on the beach but not in the street. A simple sarong wrapped over the bikini would be enough. However I think it was much more rude of the people who lynched th epoor girl and hurled abuse at her. Could one not simply have politely asked her to out a sundress or something when leaving the beach? Did they have to act the way they did? This is very bad publicity for a place which generates economy as a tourist destination.
joanne pace(on 29/7/10)
Persons with severe mental breakdowns and with medieval mind sets act this way. Judge not or be judged. What a shame to lynch a girl in a Bikini, not even in strict Islamic countries its done,Really !
Andrew Farrugia(on 29/7/10)
@ Jeremy N Grech

So, according to you, when does a bikini stop being a bikini and become something pornographic? Can you enlighten us?
Anthony Farrugia(on 29/7/10)
So-called "indecency" like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Dr Joe Brincat(on 28/7/10)
"In the United States, clothing-related laws are set by state and local governments. A variety of different offenses, such as "indecent exposure", "public lewdness", "public indecency", "disorderly conduct" and so on, may require exposure of a specific body part (genitals, buttocks, anus, nipples on women), a specific intention or effect (being sexually suggestive, offending or annoying observers). In some cases, a member of the opposite sex must be present. In Florida, designated nudity areas are given an explicit exception. There are also some specific prohibitions against sexual acts, such as having sexual intercourse in public, or publicly caressing someone in a sexual way. In Indiana and Tennessee, there are specific prohibitions against showing a noticeably erect penis through clothing, or other sensitive areas through semi-transparent clothing. In some states, indecent conduct can also occur on private property, depending on the intent or effect of the act. In some cases there are exceptions for spouses, breastfeeding, and in New York, theatre performances. In most states, there is a governing state statute which defines the offence;. Some local governments also regulate personal exposure, as well as commercial activities such as strip clubs" Cut and pasted. USA mind you !
Adrian Cachia(on 28/7/10)
Are we serious? Really? Are we serious? Please tell me it's a joke!
Andrew Farrugia(on 28/7/10)
@ Jeremy N Grech
Seems like you are suggesting that there is nothing wrong with ladies moving around with two tassel bits on their boobs and a tapasexo, just like they do during carnival in Brazil. Bet you consider that very comfortable!
Jeremy N Grech(on 29/7/10)
Well we said bikini not pornographic clothes Mr Farrugia. It's summer DOH! if you are comfortable the way you dress.. let all the rest be comfortable.
S. Azzopardi(on 28/7/10)
Yesterday I was near a pool and I had a girl - a maltese one who is also a mother, running around the pool al the time in a tiny swimsuit with her behind coming out of the swim suit constantly because it was so small that material could not make it to cover it. In another occassion I was in Kemmuna and I had a topless 65-70 year old russian woman near me. It was disgusting. There was one thing to do turn my head the other way and move but it's non sense trying to rage on these people. The more attention you give them the more they do it.
Claire Busuttil(on 28/7/10)
@SAzzopardi-
you see you had to turn your head the other side, because the people you mentioned lacked of respect.
S. Azzopardi(on 28/7/10)
Can someone please enlighten me. Are we in the 1950s or 2010? I lost the date please.

What a shame of a country and what a shame on people. No one is able to mind his own business. Maybe she was afraid her husband would look at her. Maybe she is not aware of how much worse we see on TV (Oh but that's not a problem because no one sees what we're watching on TV late at night).

Grow up, get a life!!!!!
J. Spiteri(on 28/7/10)
maybe for some of the people here this girl may have been 'indecent' however who are we to judge? she is only here to enjoy her holiday and want it or not she is free to wear what the hell she wants without having to face the daily judgment of the maltese nation. if you don't like someting just turn your head around, being arrogant and acting like a know-it-all will take you to now where. even though we have one culture here, it's full of different life styles including fashion. some people prefer to cover up, others like to show a bit more, fair enough you don't approve of their style (maybe a lot more dont approve of yours) but leave everyone to live their life, don't we all have a lot more important things to worry about? :)
now if religion has to be involved in this too, I thought we are the a catholic nation not a close minded nazi nation :p
J. Falzon(on 28/7/10)
Agreed mate
I can't wait to get out of this forsaken country

We were created naked, clothes are a man-made discomfort.
And yet nakedness is "unholy"

I would like to see what the Maltese do if a nudist beach is opened here. Protest with banners and Burkas in front of it?
Jeremy N Grech(on 27/7/10)
can anyone please explain me what is wrong in wearing bikini in a square?! Seriously now? what is this getting to? what a shame on maltese people. bleh
Dr Joe Brincat(on 27/7/10)
I see it from an angle of "good tastes". Even visitors should acquaint themselves with what is acceptable. Once the mayor of San Remo Italy banned bathing attire away from the beach. There is a time and place for everything. The reaction may have been excessive, and could have been more polite. That is also good taste. I do not know the nationality of the student, but I am sure that even in her country there is a "dress code". Would she go on a bus like that ? This is not a question of morality or being old fashioned. Just proper at the right time, and on the other side, properly handling foreigners who are given the benefit of the doubt that they do not know.

Jeremy N Grech(on 28/7/10)
Oh come on you are all talking as if there's something wrong with wearing bikini in summer... like seriously now?! aren't we a supposedly free country? everyone should be free to dress up the way they feel comfortable.
Dr Joe Brincat(on 28/7/10)
I am not coming on. I never said that wearing a bikini in summer is offensive. Australia and Sweden are also free countries where they have nudist camps. But I have never seen anyone walking nude in the streets, whether in Sydney or Stockholm. Bikini is proper for the seaside. I have not been to Balluta Square for quite some time, as it would be difficult to park. If there is a swimming pool in Balluta Square, then you are right. If not, then.......
Wikipedia defines Bikini as swimsuit for women, and so does the Cambridge Advanced Learners Dictionary - the prudes !!!!
Rachel Azzopardi Carbonese(on 27/7/10)
Fair enough, the woman mentioned in the article is described as 'mature' (ironic considering her infantile behviour). This could be a possible indication of the socially conditioned, old fashioned mentality she has developed over her years. Regardless, everybody is entitled to their own opinion of what is to be considered decent or indecent attire.

But honestly, who does this woman think she is? Her mother? And what about the mob that joined forces with her, who have been described as what i could only imagine to be deranged hyenas? Did they honestly feel so invested in the welfare of the Maltese community that they could not resist the need to publicly intimidate and bully this poor girl? Really?

This is just so typical of the interfering and prying nature of the maltese people, always looking for a reason to moan. Or in this case, mock and taunt.

It would have been a laughable incident if the woman gave her performance solo. But an orchestra of violins supporting her? How embarrassing.
Andrew Farrugia(on 26/7/10)
Mr Crockford, i hope you read my previous comment in the light-hearted spirit it was intended; incidentally, since you state that you do not condone the girl's attire, were any strategic parts of her body unclad, ie. was her Lato B a sight for sore eyes? I mean there are bikinis which are no different from what some ladies usually wear on a Saturday night in Paceville and then there are the so-called Belen Rodriguez bikinis. Not that i would know too much about this; simply asking and laughing my head off.
Pierre Micallef Grimaud(on 26/7/10)
If the girl was wearing a bikini at the beach in Balluta, that would have been a different story, but not in the square. Foreigners should adapt to our way of living. We Maltese do the same whenever we go abroad. Another thing we don’t know is whether the girl said or did some indecent gestures in reply to the woman who ran towards her.
Miguel Micallef (on 27/7/10)
"15m away it's OK, but here, NO!"

Is this a serious argument? What's the technical criteria for it to be OK? Sand under the feet? Proximity to the sea? If so, by how much? Isn't Balluta sqaure exactly near Balluta beach?
Jeremy N Grech(on 27/7/10)
what adapting of way of living? this is just SHAMEFUL. What's wrong in wearing bikini along the streets in summer? are we still living in the middle ages or what?
MBorg(on 26/7/10)
Maybe these women should not have acted in the way they did but sometimes these brazen foreign students just ask for it.

Turists must be told that they can wear all the bikinis they want when swimming or by the sea . Walking about in our streets in barely there bikinis is another matter and should not be allowed.
Jeremy N Grech(on 27/7/10)
and why is that Mr Borg?
Jeremy N Grech(on 28/7/10)
and maltese should be told to MIND their OWN business for god's sake. Leave them live.
Paul Xuereb(on 26/7/10)
I can't believe that Maltese people can be so inhospitable. rgalea is correct in saying that Taliban women don't wear a Burka. Who are the Maltese to tell this lady how to dress and act when all the Maltese do is curse, cheat on their significant other and participate in corrupt and illegal activities. If the Maltese want to be a part of the EU and have tourism as the dominate part of our economy then the whole country should move into the 21th century and be tolerant to other people's way of life, because we the Maltese are far from pure and perfect.
David Ellul(on 26/7/10)
How odd, for a girl, likely from a country where being topless on a beach is normal, might think it's ok to be standing in a bikini a 40 second walk from the sea.
Steve Borg(on 26/7/10)
Now let me guess... all those hurling names in her direction go to Mass every Sunday. This country makes me sick.
Jeremy N Grech(on 27/7/10)
Indeed dude .. INDEED.
chloe spiteri(on 26/7/10)
I'm more surprised with the comments this article has received than the ignorant locals themselves. As the article states, this young girl was clearly making her way back from the beach, due to the location and threats from the public such as "throwing her into the sea".
These are most likely the very same people that consider todays fashion "shameful" yet turn a blind eye to anything that goes on behind church doors.
@ Anna Farrugia...The fact that you feel the need to compare Malta to a Muslim country is beyond me. There is a fundamental difference in scope between europeans and muslims, so I won't go into this any further.
Such events go to show how primitive the Maltese can be in their ways of thinking and approaching such situations. Sometimes its hard to believe we form part of the EU.
Karl von Brockdorff(on 26/7/10)
Another sad, sad day for this country.
JOSEPH ZAMMIT(on 26/7/10)
Oh come on all of you, what's wrong with you lot? She wasn't naked! She was in a Bikini. Are so so hypocrite? As the article says it all: it was the "mature" woman's attitude that was totally indecent, shameful and rediculous!
Robert Callus(on 26/7/10)
Hadn't I witnessed something really similar a couple of years ago I would not have believed this.
Chris Mifsud(on 26/7/10)
We need a government that makes any practice of the catholic religion and its teachings illegal.
Joseph MELI(on 2/8/10)
Dear Chris Mifsud: May I suggest that you should either go to China or Russia, where religion is performed in the hiding. Sorry NO Place for such a Government in Malta or Gozo. If you are not a believer, then let us practice our religion and what it's laws permit us to do and what it forbit us to perform.
Karl Consiglio(on 26/7/10)
Adam and Eve, not Even, sorry
Pat Mifsud(on 26/7/10)
While in no way condoning the young lady's skimpy attire away from the beach, I must admit that I am much more 'offended' by the sight of middle-aged and older men strutting about along the Front topless, showing off their very often sunburned/ flaccid/ample bellies (and breasts) *shudder* . Could said vociferous defenders of our eyes kindly look at these men as well and get them to cover up? Or is such (lack of) attire only wrong when it is sexually titillating?
S. Azzopardi(on 28/7/10)
Totally agree. What makes people think that it is not an eyesore seeing men going around with enormous bellies (full of bread and beer) and with those tiny triangle pants they wear on the beach? Would this woman do somethng please for us? Otherwise can she do something for those mobydicks roaming around beaches with indecent bikinis? We have to put up with these all the time yet we do not rage on them. Get a life.
Louis Gialanze(on 26/7/10)
Only yesterday I watched a fully clothed woman in NIQAB covering the whole face, except for her eyes,parading up and down Republic Street in Valletta. Now does that make people commenting on this site feel any better!
Claire Busuttil(on 26/7/10)
Since the police seem not to do their job, people had to take action in this case. Maybe it was not the proper way to tackle it, but I as a woman, feel really bad, when I see these young ladies, going around in our cities, dressed in a indecent way, because after all that what it is, no matter if some so called people call this attitude as a taliban thing. It is just not a proper thing to do, in dressing in a bikini if you are not at the beach. Have you ever been to some EU city, and saw somebody wearing a bikini around??? well I have never came across such a thing.
Just wanted to tell the Zabbar police, that also in Zabbar (near the church) I have seen girls in a bikini last week.........
Jeremy N Grech(on 27/7/10)
Lol what a job? is it illegal now to walk in bikini !? grow up you all old minded freaks. and you call malta a liberal country? and you call the maltese christians? what a shame.
Claire Busuttil(on 28/7/10)
@Jeremy Grech, pls pls, do not try to seem modern, and cool, by asking what`s wrong with wearing a bikini in a square?.....
If you do not know the answer, I think that you do not know the basics of living in a society and respect all. The respect is shown, also, in the way you present yourself to others.
Is it so hard to understand such a simple concept??? it seem so!
Tony Bonello(on 30/7/10)
Dear Ms Busuttil, you are speaking about respect , do you respect this girl as you are judging her as she's doing something immoral, also does the church from who surely you form part does respect me and others during the summer season with those hypocrite feasts with funny statues closing main roads so they can pass, also firing those nosey petards with no respect to elderlies and infants. Open your mind and your heart. Love n Light
Claire Busuttil(on 31/7/10)
Dear Mr.Bonello, first of all never assume, you do not know me, hence you no nothing about my beliefs!! Religion is not included in here, it is just respect I repeat.
Secondly, I never said that I do not respect this girl, as a person I respect her, It is her attitude that we are discussing here, and yes, as a woman she and any similar girl , is not respecting me, and other people around.
Deo Catania(on 26/7/10)
This girl was in Balluta wearing a bikini, so what? it's a place close to the sea as far as I know. once I saw a girl in bikini walking down Bisazza street, so what? she was nice si I thanked God. All these people so called catholics are usually much worse than the so called 'offenders' (in reality they are not offenders), for them being a perfect catholic means going to church (attending Mass would be too much for them) and receiving the Holy Communion. Nothing more nothing less. We'll never learn, wish I was there.
Finian Massa(on 26/7/10)
I fail to see what all the fuss is about. Quite evidently this is simply the case of some poor visitor relaxing on a hot summer's day - do we need to debate the motives behind her trying to enjoy a holiday?

As for being indecent I have the readers head out to Paceville on a Saturday night - I think they'd be to find states of dress far worse that those exhibited here to ridicule, all to little effect. - the only indecent thing I can actually think of in this case is the rude and brash way the crowd acted.

Do we want to be an island of closed minded complainers or are we going to wake up and smell the roses. I think it's time for us to realize that people are going to wear what they want to and there is very little we can do about it - and nor should there be.

Btw @Vasilisa - Oh dear...
A Chircop(on 26/7/10)
Granted, wearing a bikini in a place which is not a beach or your home, is a bit of a breach of etiquette. But mobbing someone because of that is pretty excessive. She just showed a bit of skin, for god's sake, and nothing more than what we routinely see on any beach. It's not like she robbed someone. Maybe the mature women in question were a bit afraid that a good looking girl in a bikini would make their husbands's eyes stray too much?

I'd rather see a few more good looking girls in bikinis on our roads, and less potholes, dirt and smoking trucks instead. That would make for a much nicer environment. LOL
E.Muscat(on 26/7/10)
If these'tourists' think that they can do whatever they want to,they are wrong:going about in a bikini in a public square is not on:there is the beach for that sort of thing!
I have personally seen 4 foreign 'ladies' on a bustop at Paola sitting on their backsides enjoying the sun while waiting for the tourist bus, in beach clothes.
We are getting a reputation for drunk students who fall out of balconies(maybe they are tripping on their spittle?) and fights because the locals are getting annoyed!
Jeremy N Grech(on 27/7/10)
Please speak for yourself not for the rest of the maltese, it's because of people with mentalities like yours that i'm ashamed to be maltese.
Joseph Micallef(on 26/7/10)
Why is a bikini ok at the beach but indecent on a bench in Balluta - so close to the sea!
C Cassar(on 26/7/10)
What's wrong with girls in bikinis? Looks like the ones that were complaining about here were simply jealous. Really Malta, grow up and join the 21st century, what difference does someone wearing a bikini or not actually make? What difference wether on the beach or 100m away from that beach? As far as I'm concerned, the more bikini girls the better :-)
Andrew Farrugia(on 26/7/10)
Would Mr Crockford consider it "indecent" if one had to adopt the normal method used with naughty children - i.e. a good harmless slap on the buttocks?
Manuel Mangani(on 26/7/10)
That would be tantamount to abusing morality for one's own nefarious ends :)
Vasilisa Brandenburg(on 26/7/10)
We need not turists like that... we need rich people to come here and leave their money and ask no questions... in matetr fact... just leave us your money and go home...
Noel Zarb(on 26/7/10)
Ms. Brandenburg...are you even Maltese????

We need tourists of every kind here in Malta, because Malta is a destination for all ages and if we greet tourists with your attitude of 'leave us the money and go home' then we will get none. To all foreign readers reading this, let me please assure you that Ms. Brandenburg's attitude towards tourists is not the general attitude that the Maltese people have, but then again I doubt how Maltese Ms. Brandenburg is...and by Maltese I don't mean living and being married to a Maltese man, but actually born and bred here.

Shame on you Ms Brandenburg for your attitude....you should be the one leaving.
Reuben Spiteri(on 26/7/10)
why do you say this? Are people who wear a bikini poor?
Raphael Vassallo(on 26/7/10)
probably the best comment ever posted on this site...
GVella(on 26/7/10)
Actually, Vasilsa, an even better idea. Just send us your money by bank transfer and save yourselves the bother and trouble of coming over!
A. Zahra(on 26/7/10)
these young people have families: brothers, sisters and parents. When they return home they are bound to speak about their experiences here. if these are positive, it is likely that some of their relatives and friends will come and holiday here. These young people grow up. Latvia had a president who had first come to Malta as a young student to study English. Verhogen, the EU Commissioner knew malta even before we applied to join the EU. He had holidayed here with his family in the 70s. I have had dealings with presidents on large trans-national companies who knew malta because they came here on 'cheap' holidays as students. Each time we treat these students badly we are causing long term damage our tourist industry.
Melissa Bagley(on 26/7/10)
No mention was made of the girl having money or not - for all I know she could be, and now has a tale or two to take back home.

Are all the Maltese that go abroad rich?
rgalea(on 26/7/10)
All goes to prove taliban women do not necessarily wear a burka.

Anna Farrugia(on 26/7/10)
mmm...the Maltese 'mature' lady had no tactics at all with all her 'wisedom'...of course and because this woman decided to show her 'strength' then the other Maltesers backed her up. Why didn't any of them approach the young 'lady' before hand? Why did these people have to way till she was about to leave? Afraid? mmm...however I wonder if this young 'lady' would have dared dress so in a Muslim country...what would happen then.? Why can these people do it in Malta but are petrified and would not even think about it to do it in a Muslim country?
Jean Azzopardi(on 26/7/10)
Why should we admire the fanatic elements of Muslim society? And as for "approaching" the young lady, what difference does it do to anyone if she was wearing a bikini or not? And perhaps I have to remind you all that Christ himself defended a prostitute from a lynch mob just like this one. Why do we insist that we are a Catholic island, when we go out of our way to demonstrate that we are not Catholics at all? What this harridan did was certainly not Christian.
Robert Louis Fenech(on 26/7/10)
They are petrified of doing it in a Muslim country because, (this is a generalisation, I'm sure not all Muslim countries are like this) she would get arrested, beaten, killed, any number of things. If you'd like to live in a country where that happens, go ahead, a flight to an Arab country isn't so expensive. As for me, I dislike the over sexualisation of today's society, but hey, it's their right. Hell, you wanna walk around naked, go ahead.
PS. Nice one Mr. Consiglio, you hit the nail on the head.
W Spencer(on 26/7/10)
So no Maltese / Gozitan girls / women ever wear bikinis on the beach ????

Do beach goers in other RC Countries show the same intolerance as the irate mature woman ??

Have not witnessed any problems with girls / women wearing bikinis on Italian, Spanish, Brazilian, etc, etc, beaches. Are they not RC Countries also ???

Would suggest that many of the mature women on the beach, with FULL bathing costumes would be better off wearing the same attire as Muslim women !!
Karl Consiglio(on 26/7/10)
Man lives in shame for as long as for as long as Adam and Even are depicted with a leaf.
Rachel Azzopardi Carbonese(on 27/7/10)
Truer words were never spoken
victor pulis(on 26/7/10)
Couldn't this 'mature' defender of the faith go up to the young lady and asked her to dress up and explain to her that we are a roman catholic apostolic country? Did she have to create a scene and attract a crowd? meanwhile the pictures taken by the young lady are probably doing the rounds on youtube or somewhere and exposing Malta as the laughing stock of europe.
Dan Cohen(on 26/7/10)
@Victor - Malta is already the laughing stock of Europe. Ask any foreign nationals what they think of the Maltese ways and how things are done in Malta and I am pretty sure you will get the same response from all of them, which would be a laugh.
D.Galea(on 26/7/10)
From experience I can fully agree Mr.Cohen
Miguel Micallef(on 27/7/10)
Unfortunately it's true. I am now living in Amsterdam and I am very ashamed to mention Malta. Whenever they ask and I have to answer, it's always lots of rolling of eyes and laughter. The worst thing about it - I have to tell them they are right, of course.

A.Attard(on 28/7/10)
Yes very right Miguel at Amsterdam people are way better then here.....(sarcasm ofcourse)
They have greater values then here,and I am sure you are in a possition to call us a laughing stock when people from Holland call Amsterdam a shame... Grow up Miguel before trying to discuss!
Claire Busuttil(on 31/7/10)
@Miguel Micallef, wow what a patriot you are!! To be ashamed of your country is really, so sick!! Stay in Holland, if you are so happy there!!...

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