78 Maltese women had UK abortions last year

E Zammit

May 28th 2010, 20:59

Aborting a severely disabled baby will only increase the risk of having other disabled ones at a later stage. Also, it increases the chance of dying a natural death, and the risk of breast cancer. These are issues no one speaks about, not to mention the emotional turmoil which comes after. Being a vegetarian or a dog has nothing to do with abortion.

Yaz Tabone,
You should really think of consequences and think of yourself before committing this act, not for the baby itself, but personal health. if pills are sold over the counter, just choose not to purchase them, not miscarry, there are many parents who cannot have a child of their own, so why throw away a perfect miracle of life for a selfish act? You should really get your facts straight, that life begins at conception. at only 8cm, (12weeks), the baby is already formed and growing.

http://www.afterabortion.org/

E Zammit

May 28th 2010, 17:25

Well said Ms. Cassar. if one is responsible enough to have a baby, then one is responsible to take care of him from day 1 till the end.. to add to this, a wise friend once told me "Abortion doesn't make you un-pregnant, it makes you the mother of a dead baby."

yaz tabone

May 28th 2010, 20:02

ohh so im guessing you are a vegetarian then? a fetus isnt a human being FACT.. its a fetus! a dog has more rights. to kill someone they must first have a beating heart, and functionin brain which a zygote does NOT have morning after pill? yes true that is illegal, but many know of this specific pill that can result in a 'miscarriage' which is sold over the counter IF i ever get raped, have my life at risk or the fetus has severe disabilities then i will DEFINATELY abort -no one can stop me cos it isnt murder :) i have strong morals and that is why i believe in HUMAN rights.. a fetus is NOT a human.

yaz tabone

May 28th 2010, 14:12

they re only thinkin bout themselves when they say abortion is wrong.. they only want to look good so they go to imaginery heaven.. the ones who truly care are puttin the women before their own needs.

Miriam Ellul

May 28th 2010, 10:31

Yes against it as well and proud of it!!

yaz tabone

May 28th 2010, 13:12

i am pro choice.. does not make me pro abortion. i let people make their own decision because that is their right. abortion is not murder - FACT..

unfortunately the morning after pill is illegal but there are other pills that can have the same result that are legal. its silly that they dnt legalize it.. people just have to keep breaking the law

yaz tabone

May 28th 2010, 13:09

they are not charged because it isnt murder.. i know women who have had abortions n are continuing their life normally

yaz tabone

May 28th 2010, 13:08

no heart + no brain = DEAD

Robert Agius

May 27th 2010, 21:28

With your reasoning one should have the right of choice to kill someone ... eg. a husband, a wife, a parent or a relative or any body else because he/she annoys you or because he/she is creating you problems.

Your reasoning is stupid - are you perhaps comparing a fetus few week old to a developed human?

one question for you - which to you think is the least conscious being - a cow, a dog or a fetus? if you argue that it doesn't matter since the others are animals, well, so much for pro life now aye!

Wilfred L Camilleri

May 27th 2010, 20:49

Science has determined that life starts at conception! It's the pro-choice movement that has used doublespeak (remeber Goerge Orwell's novel?) to change the definition of when life begins! We're not judging. We're just saying that killing an unborn huamn being is wrong. Now tell me, how many of the 49 million babies that have been aborted in the US alone since abortion was legalized saw abortion as their most difficult decision to date? Most get abortions as if they were going for a hair cut and many have had multiple abortions, which means that it's not a very big deal for them!

Charles Muscat

May 27th 2010, 21:44

Please stop playing around with words and technicalities; in the mother's womb there is life, irrespective whether there is blood or not. There is only one word for bringing life to and end: it's murder.
Life takes priority on all other considerations, my friend. Had it not been so, you wouldn't have been around to experience life.
One last word of advice; do unto others what you wish others to do to you. I certainly feel that you would never have wished to have been torn apart or chemically destroyed when you were so cuddly nested in your mother's womb.

Miriam Ellul

May 27th 2010, 18:01

I became a mother as soon as fertilization occurred in my womb ... and so did you ... irrelevant of what you say!

yaz tabone

May 28th 2010, 13:04

not everyone shares ur opinion dear, i did NOT become a mother d day i had sex.. thats silly! i became a mother when i held him.. im not religious so i dont believe in all that mumbo jumbo bout souls etc, i believe in facts

Miriam Ellul

May 28th 2010, 20:49

Ok so not everyone shares my opinion ... granted, but that doesn't make my opinion silly!! Tell every body , and be honest, that you didn't feel any love or bond with your unborn child before it was born ... while you felt it moving in your womb! That's what you said .... and that has NOTHING to do with religion! That, yes, was a very stupid comment!

John Denby

Nov 5th 2010, 18:33

Dear Ms Tabone,

I have noticed your comments here and elsewhere. You have every right to your opinions, but may I make an observation on the content and mode of your self-expression? I suspect you might be a very angry young woman, perhaps with something that is troubling you very deeply. Psychoanalysts would identify that condition as both "repression" (you are trying to conceal something from yourself -perhaps something traumatic that happened to you and which you don't want to face), and "transference" (i.e. identifying something external as the focus of your anger in order not to face the causes which are probably internal). Just my observation and a hunch, with no offense intended. It's a common condition, especially in a small island, and compounded by an pseudo-modernity which often offers an illusory solution. And I am not trying to be patronizing; just a friendly frankness.

Ch. Briffa

May 27th 2010, 12:46

I agree 100% with you.At least giving the child the opportunity to be born and be loved by someone else. Abortion = 1st Degree Murder

Jason Fenech

May 27th 2010, 15:43

Actually it’s a spermatozoon that joins an ovum (produced in the ovary) to form a zygote (single cell) which in turn becomes a blastocyst (group of cells), then an embryo and finally a fetus.

Education beats prayer hands down anytime. That is what we should be focusing on. Prevention instead of "cure". How about starting early with schools focusing more on ethics, family planning coupled with contraception? In some instances this is already taking place but who is to be taken seriously? The sex educator who outlines the benefits of contraception or the RCC’s shameful policy of calling the latter a sin?

Albeit, this is a complex subject and I find that calling it murder is rather simplistic in the sense that it achieves nothing other than a barrage of name calling and the tiring apples and oranges comparisons that follow.

Miguel Micallef

May 27th 2010, 17:42

If you do some real research you will find lots of women who are very happy about having aborted. You will also find many women who wished they had aborted, but instead kept the baby and now are very sorry about and cannot find peace of mind.

So that doesnt' really mean anything does it?

As I said I do not agree with abortion, however I insist that in the very early stages no baby is present, and this is the truth that the rest of the world is basing its legislation upon.

Calling an early stage abortion murder is like calling sharpening your pencil deforestation.

Miriam Ellul

May 27th 2010, 10:39

Proset!! Ezempju perfett ta persuna umana! Ma jistax ikun hemm xhieda aqwa minn ta' dik li tkun ghaddiet mill-esperjenza. Bhala naf ohrajn illi ghaddew mill-istess esperjenza u llum ihossuhom kburin bihom infushom li fl-ahhar rega bdielhom u zammew it-tarbija.
Bniedem b'dizabbilita' ukoll ghandu dritt jghix. Hadd m'ghandu dritt icahhdu mill-hajja. Jien ma nistax nifhem kif qed niddiskutu jekk inhallux bniedem jghix jew le .... qtil huwa dejjem qtil. Jekk hux 'rape' jew previzjoni ta' dizabbilita', jew barra z-zwieg ... xorta t-tarbija m'ghandha htija tal-ebda wahda minn dawn ... u ghandha tghix bhal ma ghext jien ... intom u l-ohrajn!!! M'hemm xejn x'wiehed ma jifhimx u x'jiddiskuti fiha din!
Lil dawn il-bravi li jifhmu hafna u li qed jitkellmu favur l-abort infakkarhom illi ommhom setghet ghamlet kif qed jghidu huma u b'rizultat ta dan huma kieku ma jezistux. Hekk xtaqu allura? Tghid ma jiggieldux ghad-drittijiet taghhom dawn?

Claire Pace

May 27th 2010, 10:38

you talk of rights... what about the right the child has for life? yours is not freedom of choice for you want to be free to be selfish! if you don't want the child at least give it up for adoption. there are people who would do anything to have a child... but killing... that's murder!

Josef Cachia

May 26th 2010, 20:24

Every person is unique, even killing one person means that you are denying one individual the beauty and teh gift of existance. aborted children never get the chance to read or write, to sing or run, to study and have fun... they arent even given the chance to breath and see the sun...... I doubt anyone would wish that they never existed, because that what abortion is. Not giving humans a chance to experiance the beaty that is life

..... some heros.. I doubt you would want taht you never existed!

A. Attard

May 27th 2010, 11:56

boo hoo....what if YOUR own mother decided to abort when she found out she was pregnant with you?!

Jonathan Farrugia

May 27th 2010, 19:37

@ Josef Cachia

I think you've been reading to much Harry Potter or live an extremely sheltered life. I see it more as saving them from being unwanted, abused and the offspring of a heroin addled mothers.

People who are ready to bring a child into the world generally do, people who make a mistake, should have the right to fix that mistake.

Luckily, I was born into a loving family that wanted me and worked hard to raise me. If that hadnt been the case and my circumstances were different and I was not wanted, then yes i suppose I wish I hadnt been born. No point two of us being unhappy.

Kevin Cassar

May 26th 2010, 20:46

I'm so bothered when people talk without thinking what their quotes imply. If you believe that children are a "gift" from God, does it not also mean that childless couples are being ignored by the same God?? Oh I see.....you only claim that He intervenes when it is convenient for you!

Michael De Giovanni

May 26th 2010, 15:35

Tell that to your ma, when u where going to be born

G Zammit

May 26th 2010, 16:01

Are you mad ? God gives a gift and you throw it away.
People like you sorry to say sud get their tubs closed rather then kill innocent babies like that.

We always have a choice and rather then killing an unborn child. Just get fixed like a cat or a dog.

H. Gatt

May 26th 2010, 16:33

You're sick!

MG Buttigieg

May 26th 2010, 18:10

Kemm tiflah tkun bla qalb. Taf li llum kieku dik it-tarbija titwieled hajja tghix. Jiena ghix ghax omm welditni wara tmin xhur tqala.

M. Ellul

May 27th 2010, 00:19

X'jigifieri ... So what?? Li kieku ommok irragunat kif qed tirraguna int, kieku int illum ma tezistix! U kif tasal tghid ''It's fine if it's legal guys''! ... qisek qed titkellem fuq bicca njama ... biex ma nghidx annimal ghax l-anqas annimal ma jixraqlu dak li qed tghid int? Mela qtil qatt jista jkun legali?? Int taf x'int tghid jew?

elton grech

May 27th 2010, 11:43

please note...being legal doesn't necessarily imply that it is fine...

thanks, you all know the rest

Charles Grixti

May 26th 2010, 21:32

Quoting Ronald Reagan!!!

The man who for years was the front man for the Cabal, along with Margaret Thatcher (who called the Fascist murderer and dictator, Pinochet, "our dear, dear friend") that was responsible for the Juntas in South America where thousands of dissidents were made to 'disappear' in mass graves? Or whose economic policies, both in the US and around the world have created an underclass of working poor with no hope of ever bettering themselves?

Of course he was against abortion, he was for large families, and many babies, as much as possible, so as to have enough people to use as work-donkeys and mass consume the fast-foods and shoddy clothes/goods, the only things that the now chronically unemployed/underemployed poor in the West could afford (made by equally exploited slaves in the opposite side of the world). Thanks to the policy of globalisation, his friends and handlers, the Multi-national Corporations now run the world making endless and obscene amounts of wealth and profits for themselves and their cronies.

"L"ewwel ghara min qed jitkellem”. The fact that such people have no scruples with war or the death penalty, only abortion, should be your first clue.

MG Buttigieg

May 26th 2010, 18:04

Do you ask the opinion of the child in the womb!! What sort of philosophy are you trying to justify? It is false and full of contradictions.

Miguel Micallef

May 26th 2010, 13:05

A lot of people have suggested to me to 'go back to school' (as if learning is not a life long process) but I think people like you are the ones who really need some schooling. We are speaking about abortion, yet you insist on speaking about murder.

What is it, vocabulary limitations? There's online dictionaries, you know.

I am personally against both abortion and murder, yet it is crystal clear that abortion should be legal, and murder illegal. I would do neither of them, even if they were both legal - but at the same time I certainly can't tell someone not to throw away sperm (and call him a murderer, lol) just becuse 'my imaginary friend called jesus whom you can't see won't be happy about it, while at the same time he has no problems destroying the whole world and all creatures in it whenever he feels like he is in a bad mood'

James De Giorgio

May 26th 2010, 14:23

Miguel Micallef has some serious problems in his judgement.

Is throwing away sperm the best argument you can come up with?

And don't give us that hogwash "im against abortion but it should be legal".

James De Giorgio

May 26th 2010, 14:24

Plus Miguel, abortion STOPS A BEATING HEART.

And that's murder in ANY online dictionary.

Miguel Micallef

May 26th 2010, 22:14

I cannot continue this discussion with you, since you exist in a different dimension. Abortion stops no heart. No heart even exists. But in yours, it seems to be different/ I'm going back to my dimension. Bye.

James De Giorgio

May 26th 2010, 14:03

Minding your own business whilst others are being murdered is HORRENDOUS.

When Jews were being killed and others around them were passive, the same phrase "let's mind our own business and comfort" would have been said.

Now let's watch you being happy if we were to stand idly by while you were being kicked and punched by a mugger.

D Phillips

May 26th 2010, 21:42

@Wilfred,
I never introduced religion into the equation, I was merely offering an opinion, as a rebuttal of the previous correspondents insistence that the rights or wrongs of abortion is not an argument, divided mainly, across religious lines.
And you are more than welcome to your opinion on the barbarism or not of the process of abortion. I consider the churches stance on it similarly barbaric, however I have no intention or desire to try to force others to follow my thought process. What you have no right to do is to try to force your belief onto others who actually have to make the decision to abort or not. Once again, if you don’t believe in it, don’t partake in it but leave those who do to do so.

James De Giorgio

May 26th 2010, 14:06

1) you're wrong; medical abortions don't necessarily mean disabilities are involved, but rather the way in which the abortion was carried out.

2) So in your selfishness, you'd rather a child with special needs is KILLED, rather than taken care of.

That says volumes about your "kind" heart.

Wilfred Camilleri

May 26th 2010, 01:02

Thank goodness for people like you? Good to know that humans with brains are not an extinct breed just ye? With rampant abortion they just might be!

CA Miller

May 26th 2010, 02:08

You make valid points in favor of pro-life ..... but the fact remains that nobody has the right to decide if another human being should live or die. If I am concerned that my neighbor may be planning to kill her husband, I do not have the right to go over and kill her.
Besides, statistics show that the vast majority of abortions are for convenience reasons - teenage mothers, extra marital affairs, etc, yet pro-life advocates are always quick to point to cases with extraordinary circumstances. . If it was right for people to kill other people for convenience, there would be far fewer of us around!!

James De Giorgio

May 26th 2010, 14:08

Yeah Kevin, people like you would abort people like you.

Only after an abortion is a human brain extinct.

Kevin Cassar

May 26th 2010, 16:10

@ James De Giorgio

First of all if you read all my comments you will find that I am against abortion. But I am intelligent enough to note that being a MAN, I am and shall never be in a position to make that decision. What I find funny is the FACT that all those who are taking your side start their arguments with - "nearly all abortions.........only a few cases.....only a small percentage" etc - thereby defeating their own argument. It's very easy to decide for other people. Would you remove a cancer from your body if you knew it would probably kill you? That's the situation a 12 year old rape victim can sometimes be in. Finally if I was aborted instead of born I'm sure I would be as bothered as I was in the year 1876. Try to understand that! If on the other hand upon being aborted I'd end up in heaven and be concious, I'd actually be very grateful to my mother. Every which way you turn it the truth is ONE - Don't judge others, one can only speak for himself.

James De Giorgio

May 27th 2010, 00:01

@Kevin Cassar

I'm afraid you'll have to explain your comment to me bit by bit as it is almost completely incomprehensible and I can't give you an answer if I can't make head or tails on what you're on about.

I think that in your haste to win the argument, you're losing tact of reasoning in your writing.

Helena Psaila

May 25th 2010, 21:43

Hi Gerry... I am pro-choice. I don't think it is possible to be exclusively pro-'life' on Earth. If you want to pronounce yourself pro-'life' then you have to take your argument in favour of 'life' to the very end:

- A woman has cancer and gets pregnant. She is told she cannot receive chemotherapy if she is pregnant. Her life or the baby's? Pro-life or pro-choice?

- You are a soldier and a sniper threatens your friends. Do you shoot at the sniper and save all your friends, or do you pronounce yourself strictly pro-life and refrain from taking the sniper's life?

- 15,000 children die a difficult death from starvation every day. A mother pregnant with her 8th child has two choices: Abortion, or malnourishment for all her living children.

Our aim should not be to stick to inoperable dogmas like 'life' at all costs, but to make the lives of people who are actually alive as dignified and as worth living as we possibly can.

Helena Psaila

May 25th 2010, 21:50

Another one:

Your relative needs a kidney transplant and you are a perfect match. But you are worried, and would prefer to politely decline. Should the state force you to give your relative a new lease of life by donating your kidney? Consider that at present, the state is not even able to force dead people to donate their organs. They too have a choice.

D Phillips

May 25th 2010, 22:42

@Cowie,
I’m sure no-one, irrespective of their stance on this issue, care whether you yawn or not, it’s really fairly irrelevant to the whole discussion. You appear to have a distinctly overinflated idea of the importance of your thoughts and comments
Your simplistic statement “You are either for life or you are against life” is a complete falsehood. This is about a choice, the choice to have and/or to take control over your own body. By all means, if you disagree with abortion, no-ones forcing you too have one. But don’t try to impose your religious based belief on other people.

Kevin Cassar

May 25th 2010, 23:37

@ Gerry Cowie

Is God pro life too??? I quite vaguely remember some stories from when I was a child in which God killed all living and breathing creatures on the face of the earth with a flood. I also remember another story where the first born of the Egyptians including the animals were also killed by God's angel. I can tell you a lot of these stories if you wish, but I think you could manage on your own if you actually READ the book that you claim is God's perfect WORD. Care to explain the SPECIAL PLEADING to us heathens who have no respect for life?

James De Giorgio

May 26th 2010, 14:10

Kevin, the God you're describing is the ancient jewish God.

Christ changed the faulted perspective of how people viewed God, and preached LOVE.

And that's the God we believe in TODAY. I dunno if you've been studying the Muslim god, but it definitely ain't the one we love.

LOVE ONE ANOTHER - GIVE LIFE A CHANCE.

And do us a favour Kevin, stop saying fallacies.

Kevin Cassar

May 26th 2010, 16:37

@ James De Giorgio

You must have a different version of the Bible. So why did Jesus refer to Moses' God as Father? Why did Jesus tell his disciples to follow Moses' laws and the 10 commandaments that were supposedly written by this same God. Sorry my friend but I'm not the one claiming these obvious (even to yourself) fallacies! If the Old Testament is false as you say, why was it not removed by the Pope? Try again.

Raymond Cachia

May 26th 2010, 22:07

Gerry, with all your bravado in favour of the fetus, I always say that if men had to be the sex that gave birth, there would not be any people in the world.

And furthermore, when you oppose abortion, you neglect to mention the other side of the coin - what about the thousands of women's lives that are saved each year because of safe and legal abortions? Would you rather see girls and women die in back alleys? Or would you also rather see fetuses carried to term only to die of disease and hunger a few months after birth? And if you are so pro-life, would you not defend yourself or your family if faced with a killer - would you be so against the taking of a life that you would give up your own? I also bet that you see no problems with Wars either, since the soldiers and civilians being killed are not fetuses but fully formed human beings. And by the way, thousand of fetuses are naturally aborted every month with the menstrual cycle, nature (or God's way) of removing defective creatures. So is God also an abortionist?

James De Giorgio

May 26th 2010, 23:59

@Kevin Cassar

Yeah Kevin, and one of the commandments says thou shalt not kill - born or unborn!

Cheap shot at the commandments Kev. You mentioned a vengeful God. Using the ten commandments to back your argument of a killer God got you nowhere.

Wilfred Camilleri

May 26th 2010, 02:08

How true! Live and at live. Those in favour of abortion don't want to live and let live. They want to live and kill for convenience!

Alison Grech

May 26th 2010, 04:53

I would also like to bring to the general public's attention the quote "Pro-life is anti-women."

Jane Galea

May 25th 2010, 20:18

Your right to choose means that you will be committing murder to your own flesh and blood Christina Borg.

Tommy Lee

May 25th 2010, 20:41

Your argument is based on pure myth or I could say outright lies?
To suggest that 1 in 3 women suffer in this way is ridiculous.Abortion Holocaust deniers resort to blatant fabrication all the time to try and justify brutal murder of innocents.

Christina Borg

May 26th 2010, 06:38

Dear Mr. Lee - my argument is based on solid facts published by the United Nations - i suggest you check your sources before calling people a liar!!! Here is a like from UNFPA (The United Nations population fund!) so you can read for yourself since you obviously are not able to do a little research before commenting about a valid argument! http://www.unfpa.org/gender/violence.htm

Wilfred Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 18:59

Being against killing an unborn child is not judging, it is expressing basic humanity and recognizing the dignity of life. Being pregnant is not a situation, it is a choice. If a woman does not want to have a baby or to be inconvenienced by having a baby, then she has the choice not to get pregnant. It`s not like a man and a woman engaging in a sexual act and not taking the necessary protection are not aware that the act might result in a pregnancy. If they cannot understand this concept, then they have a lot to learn indeed!

Kevin Cassar

May 25th 2010, 23:28

Wilfred, like I said it all depends on the situation and that's why no one can judge. What if you have to choose either the life of the mother or the baby? What if you know that they will both die if the pregnancy is taken to term? A million different situations. I agree that in the ideal world there would be no abortions, but don't tell me this is an ideal world!!!! That's the stuff of dreams. Obviously there are also cases where abortion is abused but you cannot judge if you don't know all the circumstances.

Wilfred Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 18:31

We should therefore give great consideration to her rights and needs as well as those of the unborn. How true, but abortion negates the rights of the unborn.

Some women may not take aborting lightly, but many do. Why is it that some women have multiple abortions then?

Christina Borg

May 26th 2010, 06:44

I disagree with the fact that the rights of the unborn are not being considered! in many cases they are! Unborn children suffering from malformations will be brought into this world only to suffer and may even end up being resented by the family who will be burdened by extreme financial problems - which may even result in deterioration of the family in question! Children born out of rape or incest will always be regarded as such by the mothers or given up and end up in the system - being shipped from one group home to another or one foster family to another!!

Of course like with everything else there will be some people who abuse this - maybe women working in the sex industry or so! But I can assure you that no woman will take such a decision lightly! I wonder were you get your information that many women take abortion lightly?! It is a decision which will rest with the woman for the rest of her life!!

James De Giorgio

May 25th 2010, 18:14

I could use your comment as a prime example of warped logic...

So if it were a choice between your three-year old boy and your five-year old dog, you'd draw lots won't you, since humans aren't any more important?????

OF COURSE HUMANS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANIMALS!!!

Wilfred Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 18:28

Accidents? Having unprotected sex is not an accident!

Why is human life more important than other animals? Are we special in virtue of being human? If so what makes us so special? What distinguishes humans from animals is that humans have the faculty to reason and to distinguish between right and wrong!

God did makw humans more special than others and the reason we commit the biggest atrocities is because of lack of belief and stupidity amongst other things. Those who committ atrocities in God's name do not really believe in God!

A fetus can threaten her lifestyle...So it's a crime of inconvenience. If some women are not ready to have children then they shouldn't get pregnant!

Aborting ensures a child will not have to be affected! What, the child is definitely affected by being killed!

Arrogance and realizing that humans are not the rulers of the earth and the animals on it - You're right! God is the ultimate ruler of all things and of all life. Arrogance is thin king that ending lide is OK with God.

david camilleri

May 25th 2010, 18:43

not warped logic just asking a reason as to why humans are more special? please tell me why they are...and dont use god if u dont mind...

every situation needs to be assessed in virtue of its own merits...child vs dog is a very easy way to reduce a complex issue into a black and white dichotomy. appealing to emotions, which is the typical method of pro-life advocates, doesnt make something more truthful. crimes of passion would be allowed if emotion was the only, or best basis for making a decision.

say please tell me, why are humans special?

rationality? excludes mentally ill people and mentally handicapped people...

a soul? there is the issue of twins and when their soul separates... are they half of what others are? and some people dont believe in the soul...

language? again what about mentally handicapped people?

consciousness? we are not the only conscious beings...we are not the only self conscious beings also...

if aliens were to land here and they were similar to us...would it be ok to kill them since only humans have a right to life...

please tell...

Jane Galea

May 25th 2010, 20:20

it can also threaten her lifestyle?
Is that why you would want her to commit murder Mr Camilleri?

Wilfred Camilleri

May 26th 2010, 00:59

Why are humans more special? Like I said, humans can reason, know bad from good, etc., etc. What is it you don't understand? You seem to have an extremely distorted and warped view of what human beings are my friend. If you're the same as an animal, I suppose it is OK if you are caged, or killed for food, or hunted for pleasure, etc., etc. You need a reality check very badly!

James De Giorgio

May 26th 2010, 14:13

David I respect your opinion, therefore I solemnly declare that:

YOU OUGHT TO LIVE IN A KENNEL.

So hurry up, pack your bags, stop using the computer and move out of your house. You're like animals, remember?

Wilfred Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 17:35

Regardless of whether you are religious or not, the fact is that abortion is killing a human life. Opinions don't necessarily make thing right. One might have an opinion that he has the right to kill someone. That doesn't make it right or legal for that matter. Close mindedness is when someone cannot see reason and there is no reason for abortion when pregnancy can be prevented in the first place.

J Farrugia

May 25th 2010, 17:52

I never pretended to be a god, but your type think they are. They even think that they can decide the fate of unborn human beings still in their mothers' womb. Those are the people who play God, and I can add your name to theirs. Abortion is a crime and no ifs and buts.
We have people making a terrific fight against the killing of a bird, what would one do when you see a woman undergoing an abortion?
Religion makes you a whole sane person. Love your neighbour as yourself and dont do to others what you dont want others do to you. How about not being born at all? So mister you have nothign to teach me, On the contrary, I may teach you a thing or two about morality and civic behaviour.

Wilfred Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 17:30

You're right, a fetus is not a child but it's still a human being like a child is a human being! Playing with words is not going to negate the fact that the fetus is a living being. Woman has the right to defend against a set of cells which she does not want? First of all, the set of cells is a human life, although not yet born. And the woman is defending herself from what? Is the fetus going to attack and kill her? Preposterous argument. Thirdly, if the woman did not want to bear a child, she could have refrained from getting pregnant in the first place!

James De Giorgio

May 25th 2010, 18:16

I take comfort from past experience that extreme liberal comments on the times have proven time and again not to be the opinion of the vast majority.

A prince has a right to life just as much as the king and the emperor. Same in the case of the child in the womb, conviniently called a foetus by abortionists. An unborn child has as much rights as a child to live.

David, your comments are hogwash.

Jane Galea

May 25th 2010, 20:45

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthpicturegalleries/6255474/A-Child-is-Born-Photographs-of-the-foetus-developing-in-the-womb-by-Lennart-Nilsson.html

Ramon Casha

May 26th 2010, 06:09

Precisely. The zygote has the potential to develop into a person, but it is not a person as yet.

Wilfred Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 17:51

Ah, that's beautiful. Kill a human life and then go on a holiday to celebrate it!

S. Calleja

May 25th 2010, 16:33

Probabbli ir-raguni li saret infertili hi li min ghena taghmel l-abort kien skarpan.

martin saliba

May 25th 2010, 16:38

Mela ha nighdlek hi , hemm zewwg bambini ghax tieghek mux kattiv u ahdar bhal tieghek. Tighdux cucati!!!!!!!!!! meta tmurina xi hjaga hazina fil hajja irridu bilfors naqalaw xi skuza ghalfejn grat.

Wilfred Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 17:39

Mr. Calleja, it is a know fact that many women who have abortions have difficulty with pregnancies. It has nothing to do with whether the abortionist was a "scarpan" as you suggest. Fetuses are vacuumed out or torn out of the womb using forceps during an abortion process. Not exactly a clean and neat medical procedure!

G. Grech

May 25th 2010, 16:38

you speak like you're referring to cats and dogs.

Would YOU want anyone to decide if YOU had to right to live or not ?

G.Debono

May 25th 2010, 17:06

L. Azzopardi

Ma tafx x'qed tghid. You know how many people wanted to adopt but were precluded from doing so from Maltese orphanagies because of the law and how it was? Why do you think so many Maltese people adopt from Romania, Russia, Pakistan, Africa etc... hundreds of adoptions have taken place from other countries spending thousands upon thousands of maltese liri (12 years ago, an adoption from romania cost ca. Lm7K in all) but rarely from our own country- Why do you think it is so?!

G. Grech

May 25th 2010, 17:44

So why don't you go to the orphanages and explain to the children that they should have been butchered because the law does not permit them to be adopted....?

What if you were one of them?

M. Spiteri

May 25th 2010, 16:19

So if some some maltese citizens go in Amsterdam smoking weed, we shall begin selling weed here also......how idiots some people are!

S. Calleja

May 25th 2010, 17:04

@ M. Spiteri. Calling people idiots is not really a counter-argument.

Daniel Vella

May 25th 2010, 17:12

Mr/s Spiteri
Weed does way less damage than alcohol, yet alcohol is legal

A.Attard

May 27th 2010, 14:43

@Daniel vella
go sell it to your own son then....

Tommy Lee

May 25th 2010, 16:02

We are not talking about the women's body. It is the innocent child that is butchered. The choice is life or death.

G. Grech

May 25th 2010, 14:58

"Everybody should realistically have the same rights"

Why doesn't the child have as much right to live as you do?

Abortion is homicide. Homicide is a crime. Crime is bad. Simply undeniable facts.

J Farrugia

May 25th 2010, 15:27

. You should be ashamed of yourself of speaking like that. How about your mother and father aborted you in the first place. You wouldn;t have like it would you. So how can you pronounce the death sentence on any innocent being? Who do you think you are? God in person? You're just ashes coming from ashes.

J Farrugia

May 25th 2010, 15:29

Your egoism is terrible. You want all the civil rights for yourself and yet at the same time you dont want to give these same rights to the yet unborn being inside the mother's womb. How egoistic and vulgar can one human being be.

Jesmond Micallef

May 25th 2010, 16:31

J.Farrugia & G.Grech, I support you here.

Adrian Padovani

May 25th 2010, 17:53

What's the point of having all the rights in the world, if you are denied the right to life?!?

A.Attard

May 27th 2010, 14:51

Wayne Criggs
This is a Catholic country if you like it enjoy your stay if you dont please give US the right of being free from people like you

Wilfred Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 15:43

Basic human rights should include the unborn child!

Wilfred Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 15:11

The woman has the right to choose to get pregnant or not to get pregnant. Once pregnant,a woman should not have the choice to kill another human being, even if it is inside the woman. The baby should have the same rights as the mother, even if it is an inconvenience to the mother.

Helena Psaila

May 25th 2010, 15:33

The Church doesn't even want a woman to have the right to choose whether or not she gets pregnant. Some pointers:

- Some men refuse to use condoms because it is "not natural". Some women are too "in love" to tell them to go find a goat.

- Many women do not know about the pill because not everyone is smart enough to read up about contraception, and because schools and parents don't tell them about it.

- Contraception occasionally fails - even the most responsible of couples can find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy.

- Sometimes a planned pregnancy can have complications that can only be cured by ending the pregnancy. Some people think the woman should be "noble" and a "perfect mother" and risk her life for her baby. But I value a woman's life more than I value a foetus' potential life - women should be able to end these disastrous pregnancies.

Conclusion: Unwanted pregnancies drop in on you like a load of bricks - they are an accident and they are a problem. So enough with all this 'the woman has a choice about getting pregnant' nonsense.

Joseph Calleja

May 25th 2010, 16:28

@Wilfred Camilleri, Sometimes a woman does not have that choice, Rape is one of those.
@Helena Psaila, The term " A womans right to choose" means that a woman has the right to choose if she wants to have an abortion or not. We seem to agree.

Wilfred Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 17:50

And Mr. Calleja, what percentage of abortions do you think are due to rape? 49 million abortions in the US since abortion was legalized. Do you suppose there were 49 million rapes during that period?

Wilfred Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 15:16

What rubbish! A human fetus is the same as a dog fetus? So when does the fetus become a human being in your estimation? The guy who shot and killed the abortion doctor was a murderer, just as the doctors performing abortions are murderers and the women getting abortions are murderers.

J Farrugia

May 25th 2010, 15:30

yes they do it to hide their sins. Some married women cry because they cannot concieve, and yet here we have others who kill their own children in their wombs to hide their own shame. Yes it is criminal and this is no case for PRO CHOICE or ANTI CHOICE> There is only one way. The Criminal Code.

Helena Psaila

May 25th 2010, 15:51

Not all women cry because they cannot conceive. Some women cry when they conceive.

Daniel Vella

May 25th 2010, 17:18

Mr. Camilleri..... Sex is not a sin, outside of marriage or not. It is a basic human need. Your mentality is one of the reasons that myself and a lot of younger Maltese are now abandoning the church.

Michael Azzopardi

May 25th 2010, 17:44

Daniel Camilleri - No you are abondoning the church because you are immoral and and egoistic person. You only want pleasure for yourself and then after uusing the lemon you throw it to the waste. How about that for being a perverted person.

Wilfred Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 18:05

My mentality IS NOTone of the reasons that you and a lot of younger Maltese are now abandoning the church. If you abandon the Church it is because you don't believe and not because of someone else, and you do so at your own risk. When I was younger, I still didn't believe in abortion because to me human life is worth cherishing and saving. Killing a life, human or otherwise, is savagery, ignorance, immorality and barbarism all rolled up into one act.

J Farrugia

May 25th 2010, 15:24

Maria no this is no hot topic. abortion = murder. No more no less and no ifs and buts. And this is only logical. No man or woman have a right to kill - God's fifth commandment. Thou shalt not kill. Natural justice prevents the killing of the innocents. Even people's justice makes it a crime to commit abortion or even to procure an abortion.

Wilfred Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 15:18

No, not really. Just because many men (not all, look at the number of men writing in favour of abortion) are against abortion they are against abortion because they believe in the right of every human being, born or unborn. This is not a man/woman issue. It is a human right issue!

Helena Psaila

May 25th 2010, 15:48

It is sad that while penis enlargement and breast enlargement can now be done in the safety and comfort of a doctor's office, something as basic as an abortion still has to be done with witch concoctions in dark garages. The abortionist is as necessary to women as the midwife, and it has been so throughout all of human history.

Wilfred Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 18:39

Yes Ms. Psaila. Breast enhancement is the same as killing an unborn human being! What a nonsensical comparison!

Daniel Vella

May 25th 2010, 14:56

Mr De Giorgio, why, then, do people in other countries perform abortions? Not all of the countries with legalized abortion have the same mentality as us Maltese. Like Ms. Jacqui Gatt said in a few comments below, in a perfect world abortions would not be needed. This is not a perfect world

James De Giorgio

May 25th 2010, 18:22

Daniel,

So in our unperfect world, the solution in your own words is abortion ay?

Naaaah, bring the child to life and adoption. I know many couples who would gladly adopt.

Two wrongs never make one right Danny boy. Warped logic you have there.

D.Dalli

May 25th 2010, 15:04

It is interesting and entertaining how you proceed to call these people all sorts for judging etc. and then you do the same for them. True, they don't know these women, do you?

Somebody has to stick up for the unborn child, I should say, do you want to burn people like they used to do for doing that?

Why can't someone kill her 5 year old, you don't know what their passing through with your same silly argument?
No - because it's illegal? Oh right, so is abortion illegal! Not in the UK you might say? Wow, so if I take the person who murdered a family member in some muslim country where it is allowed to get blood revenge - than it is ok, with your probable argument to kill them, because it is legal to do so there?
A wrong is a wrong wherever it is held and irrispective if it is legal or not to do so.

If you cant hold the child, don't do the sex or take your precautions. Killing the child when you are supposed to protect it until it is born makes you alot of things but human.

Jesmond Micallef

May 25th 2010, 15:14

Priest Abuse Victim. Very selective comment, D.Scerri. There are other forms of abuse, such Child Labour, Child Prostitution, all ills imposed by "business minded" emotionally very sick adults. What about Child Soldiers in Africa, brain washing them with the indoctrination of hate and war. What about Post Traumatic Stress Disorders suffered by indeed adult children of men after serving big brother king, queen or president.

This mega hypocritic era we are all living today makes the horrors of nazism and fascism, amateur play really, D.Scerri.

Ramon Casha

May 25th 2010, 15:32

It's easy to pick and choose definitions to suit your need.

Andrew Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 13:45

Wow. So if I kill someone because he/she was making demands of me and my time I'm justified by your logic.

And what you're trying to say, in other words, is 'those who don't agree with killing children should shut up because it doesn't concern them'.

Jesmond Micallef

May 25th 2010, 13:55

WE want to know !! Its in everybody's interest, that is the point.

James De Giorgio

May 25th 2010, 14:05

Yes Isabelle, judging is wrong and will only make bad situations worse.

However, one can never justify the murder of close to eighty Maltese who could have led a fulfilling life.

These women could have found help, but either haven't found it, havent's sought it or were too scared to face up to responsablity. I'm sad for them because I'm sure they will feel the emotional pain for many years to come. But I say to these women; look for help now, you will find it.

Jacqui Gatt

May 25th 2010, 14:12

I'm sure it's a very difficult decision to make and women who decide to have an abortion consider this as a last resort.

Not everyone has a loving partner to help them through pregnancy and through bringing up a child - I'm currently pregnant and I can easily admit that I don't know how I would go through it all without my partners support.

Granted, people need to take precautions and in a perfect world there would be no need for abortions and all pregnancies would be planned, but needless to say, this is not the case.

Joe Zammit

May 25th 2010, 14:32

Whatever anguish they had gone through is no answer to abortion. These mothers could have been helped in ALL their difficulties to let their own baby live, both in Malta and in the UK.

J. J. Borg

May 25th 2010, 14:48

Have you noticed those commenting are mostly all men? Obviously many women know better than to beat their fists and throw a fit over what other women choose to do with their bodies.

Wilfred Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 14:51

You're right. I don't know what women who seek abortion are going through. That said, killing another human being is a crime against humanity and human dignity, whatever the reason. Many abortions are simply a matter of convenience. Except in very extreme circumstances, for example if both the mother and baby are in danger of death, then there is absolutely no justification for abortion. Abortion is killing of an innocent life, pure and simple.

J. J. Borg

May 25th 2010, 15:37

W. Camilleri: I think you need to inform yourself better what is and what is not a crime against humanity. Just because you choose to use that term to describe abortion does not mean that the two are one and the same. Nor does the use of bombastic rhetoric make your arguments any more convincing.

Joseph Attard

May 25th 2010, 14:17

You are right. The culprits behind these deaths are not the woman committing abortion but me, you, and the whole of society who ignores the problems and reasons behind abortions. Abortions will not be reduced by keeping it illegal. It will only go underground in the hands of butchers.
Are we doing enough to promote safe sex to our children in order to reduce unwanted pregnancies? Or do we still prefer running away from the problem and believe that we will convince our kids not to have sex?
Can a woman be supported to carry on with her pregnancy and return to her 'normal' career afterwards?

Running away from the problem will not see that number going down.

Joe Zammit

May 25th 2010, 14:29

They could have offered their baby to childless couples. We have these childless couples who are eager to adopt but they have none.

Daniel Vella

May 25th 2010, 14:38

You make me laugh (or maybe cry is a better word?).
You first point out that you don't want to be judgemental, and then proceed to do just that.

Julian Caruana

May 25th 2010, 15:07

Dear Daniel Vella.

Sorry I have made you cry it was not my intention.

What I mean to say is that I am only expressing my opinion and in no way am I trying to judge these poor women. My opinion is not based on this article and I ahve no idea who these women are.

With your reasoning you are judging me for being judgmental and we carry on like this in eternum.....

K. Pullicino

May 25th 2010, 13:29

A man has all the right to disagree with abortion because the baby being killed can be a fellow man (something which is determined already at conception).

If anything we should eradicate the social stigma which you speak about not other humans.

A.Gatt

May 25th 2010, 13:29

Well said !!

Duncan Sant

May 25th 2010, 13:36

You should be ashamed to speak like that: killing another human being just because you don't want him/her. By your own reasoning, you don't know what goes through a serial killer's mind when he kills his victims, so unless you are one you should shut up as well.
If you don't want a baby, take the necessary precautions BEFORE and not kill it afterwards.

Silvia Zammit

May 25th 2010, 13:40

Then again, the baby will spend 9 months in a woman's uterus, never a man's. The woman will be experiencing all the effects of the pregnancy, morning sickness, changes to her breasts and overall body shapes. I do understand that this is a man's child as well - and that is why couples must always engage in protected sex. However accidents do happen, and all contraceptive methods are not infallible. When this happens, a woman may be unprepared and therefore this decision is not totally unjustified.

A woman must have a choice to do as she please since ultimately she will experience all of it. It surely is a wonderful experience when it is wanted, but can be horrible if not.

What if a woman were to keep her unwanted baby and then lash out at the baby after birth? Say by beating it up? Psychologically speaking, these things are not unheard of. Either way, men can always run away from such situations whereas a woman cannot.

Duncan Sant

May 25th 2010, 13:44

Silvia
Ever heard of adoption? ANd what about the crap that women cannot run away? Ever heard of babies being abandoned on doorsteps? You too can run away. But if you do not want a child, be sure not to get pregnant first, and not KILL the baby.

Jesmond Micallef

May 25th 2010, 13:45

It takes two to tango. A woman cannot get pregnant on her own. The other alternative is Artificial Insemination, but tend to understand thats indeed voluntary but still the sperm is male natural "property". So, as a male who indeed has the potential on EQUAL grounds for the propogation of my own spieces, I OBJECT QUITE STRONGLY to this willfull murder. Its murder, nothing else.

Happy Mothers Day.

Julian Caruana

May 25th 2010, 13:46

Dear Ms Zammit. You are the ultimate Femminist.

Andrew Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 13:49

The usual feminist drivel. Do you know, abortion in the US was legalised by a panel of male judges. Maybe they shouldn't have had the right to comment, as they're male. No, wait, but they agreed with abortion.

So all men should shut up unless they agree with you.

Not only are you in favour of killing babies, you want those who disagree with you to shut up because the truth about abortion is uncomfortable.

Silvia Zammit

May 25th 2010, 13:54

@ Duncan Sant - I get the analogy you're making between a serial killer and a mother who kills her yet unborn baby. I won't go into how far-fetched your analogy goes, but I will instead comment on the ridiculousness of your claims.

I have never claimed to know what goes on inside a serial killer's head. And I probably never will know first hand. But what might go on inside a mother's head, that I might know. So yes, I believe I do have the authority to speak up while you, on the other hand, do not.

And no, I will never shut up. I am defending women's rights to choose, to take control of their futures, to be able to continue with their studying/career and not be bound down by an unwanted baby. It does not surprise me at all that most against abortion here are men.

A. Farrugia

May 25th 2010, 14:04

Despite your attempts at 'logic' I still wholeheartedly disagree with you. Whether or not one is having unprotected or 'protected' sex, rest assured that there is never a 100% guarantee that there is NO risk of pregnancy. So unless both parties are 100% comfortable with the possible scenario of the woman ending up pregnant, there should be no sex, whether the person is single or married. I'm sorry, but arguments 'pro-choice' are half-baked, as no one ever speaks about the unborn child's choice now, do they?

If someone is willing to go through having sex without thinking about all the possible repurcussions, then in my view that someone is being egoistic, short-sighted and immature in so doing, as another human being's life is invaluable - wanted by the parents or not.

Finally, yes - men can run away, but that doesn't mean that it gives women any 'right' to d wrong, if you know what I mean. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Please respond.

James De Giorgio

May 25th 2010, 14:10

Sylvia, your argument reflects your twisted mentality.

If a woman engages in sexual intercourse with her consent, then she must be responsible to bring her child to light.

The baby is a man's baby too.

It's the ugly side of feminism, to defend abortion as a woman's right.

What about the woman (female) baby's right?

Bear in mind that had YOUR mother aborted you, killed you, had you burned or chopped up in the womb, you wouldn't be here voicing your support for burning, mutilating or otherwise murdering babies.

Sylvia, women like you are called baby-killing supporters. And that in my opinion is inhuman.

Carmel Agius

May 25th 2010, 14:38

Sylvia, killing babies even if yet unborn, IS a criminal offence punishable by jail. Women have to be on the lookout for men who want to impregnate them just for the fun of the moment, and then abondon them like filth. This is reality. it takes 2 to tango so there is also the woman's responsibility to see that she doesn't make love to, or be seduced by any johnny come lately. And then we want to remove and kill the unwanted baby, or worst of all even abondon it with the religious nuns. This is sheer irresponsibility and criminal , and we have to face up to this reality. We must severely punish those responsible, man and woman by jailing them and throwing the keys away. There must be no pity on those who commit such atrocities.

Silvia Zammit

May 25th 2010, 15:16

@ Duncan Sant - So what you are saying is that I should abandon my unwanted child on a doorstep instead of sparing it the humiliation of such an incident? And I happen to know a few people who have adopted children and they NEVER opt for local children. Why? Because of emotional burdens.

@ ALL THE OTHER MEN WHO HAVE REPLIED - So if a woman were to engage in consensual sex - a perfectly normal urge might I add - she must also, in that same instant, consider that her actions might lead to pregnancy. If this is what you're saying please think about how ridiculous it would be if your women were to stop and think if intercourse would be worth it if it would lead to conception. Do any of you think that your next ejaculation might be your next son just before you have sex? And don't be ridiculous and say that you do because no one does unless they are really trying.

Duncan Sant

May 25th 2010, 16:09

What is more humane?? Abandoning to someone who will take care of them or KILLING them?
Knowing your twisted reasoning, I bet you will choose killing....

Silvia Zammit

May 25th 2010, 18:21

@ Carmel Agius - It is only punishable in countries where women are still oppressed by ridiculous laws - such as in Malta. In other countries women are empowered by this choice. Unfortunately contraceptives are fallible and I believe that in a scenario where a woman has done everything in her power to ensure she does not get pregnant, but actually does, I believe that then she should have the option to terminate her pregnancy.

@ Duncan Sant - you have clearly learnt a new word today, 'twisted'. But you certainly haven't really understood how to apply it. Yes, I would prefer to kill an unborn child rather than have it suffering everyday at the hands of a psychologically unstable mother. Just as I would switch my mother's machines off if I knew she'd be in endless pain and suffering for the rest of her days. THAT is the humane choice.

julian Caruana

May 25th 2010, 13:34

WELL SAID.

Jesmond Micallef

May 25th 2010, 13:49

Pretty much so. Abortion is the unquestionable abuse of "Human Fertility". In Malta, it will not and never be legalised !!!

Doris Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 14:10

I AGREE !!!!!!!

M. Spiteri

May 25th 2010, 16:21

The first time you comment with sense Mr. Abela

K. Pullicino

May 25th 2010, 13:24

"then gives the baby away she will be judged"

There's the problem we're facing... NOT that abortion is unavailable in Malta.

"adults are free to take any desicion they want and live with any repercussions."

Being adults means that you will realise that you cannot do whatever you want in life. Only children do whatever they want.

S. Spiteri

May 25th 2010, 15:00

"Being grown up adults in a society that respects the individual implies that adults are free to take any desicion they want and live with any repercussions. It is called choice. The state has no right to interfere. And yes I am against animal cruelty"

The joke of the year. Say I "choose" to end the life of someone you love. With your reasoning , I am free to do so and society has no right to protect you from persons like me until it's too late. You agree this is nonsense and it is as it is obvious that we are not free to do anything we want.

so how is killing an unborn child different? The only thing you can do to say that is it different is try to prove that the unborn child is not a human being. But if you say you can than you clearly do not know what you are talking about. You can convince yourself all you want. But you are doing so in order to make yourself feel good about the obvious horrible wrongdoing that is abortion.

If ANYTHING being grown up adults means being RESPONSIBLE!

Andrew Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 13:34

The twisted logic of the proabortionist. You want birds to live but not babies. That's perverted and sick. I'm against hunting too btw.

Tommy Lee

May 25th 2010, 13:35

Malta is not backward at all, Malta is upholding a stance regarding humanity and should remain steadfast.
The rest of the world is uncivilised and in some cases evil. Death and destruction is dished out in all forms including the Abortion Holocaust.
Life is sacred and it is because some misguided people believe otherwise we have such a ghastly world surrounding us.
Stand firm Malta.God bless you.

M.Ellul

May 25th 2010, 13:36

Skuzani .... ma nafx fhimtekx sew ... Jigifieri inti tiggieled ghad-drittijiet tal-annimali u tiggustifika abort ... qtil tarbija!!
Veru li hadd ma jista' jiggudika imma hadd ma jista' jnehhi d-dritt tal-hajja lil haddiehor. Minjaf kemm tmur tigri tiggieled jekk tara boton qtates se jintremew jew xi annimali ohrajn se jigu maqtula ... u sewwa taghmel naqbel mieghek ... ghax anki jien inhobbhom l-annimali. Imma skuzi hawn qed nitkellmu fuq bnedmin ta! BNEDMIN!!
Hag'ohra, barra li jkunu qatlu tarbija, jkunu farrku hajjithom ukoll. Jien iltqajt ma hafna nies li ghamlu abort u hajjithom tispicca ... jghid x'jghid kullhadd. F'mohhom u f'qalbhom tibqa' dik il-piena u htija ta li jkunu ghamlu.

S. Fenech

May 25th 2010, 13:47

What would have been your arguments had you been that stupid mistake? There are definitely other options for not having a child, namely give the child for adoption or would that mean going through the sacrifices of dedicating nine months of one's life to a "stupid mistake" as you like to call the unborn child. There are parents who are willing to adopt a child and find it difficult to find children to adopt especially Maltese children.

How can you put abortion and IVF treatment in one sentence, or is it so difficult to understand the difference between choosing to give birth to a child and chosing to kill an unborn child.

I am in no way trying to judge these women here for resorting to abortion, but stating outright that Malta is lacking behind the rest of Europe because abortion is not legal is a far cry in my opinion. Education is the key for such issues, and that means teaching people to take responsability for their actions. Having said that, giving a child for adoption is a responsable decision too.

James De Giorgio

May 25th 2010, 14:12

Emma, people who reason same as you do are detrimental to our Maltese society.

You're against killing animals, but in favour of killing babies??

How bloody heartless can you be???

Joseph Attard

May 25th 2010, 14:25

Come on people, animal rights, the environment and abortion are totally different things. The problem with this nation is that we always compare hunting with fireworks etc etc etc.

@Andrew Camilleri
You cannot connect these issues. I can be a serial killer and against abortion at the same time.

@Tommy Lee
By holding its stance against abortion, Malta is not backward however it will be if it does not understand what is causing people (note that I did not use the word 'woman') to do abortions and save those babies.

@M.Ellul
You are 100% right. We need to run to save all animals and humans alike. Yet by only keeping abortion illegal without addressing its causes, we are also at fault and should feel guilty.

Wilfred Camilleri

May 25th 2010, 14:57

What twisted logic. You are for against animal cruelty but obviously not human cruelty! I too believe in a woman's choice: a woman has the choice not to get pregnant in the first place. Once she does, she has no right to kill her baby because it's inconvenient for her!

victor pulis

May 25th 2010, 17:40

To choose what? killing your own child? Would you condone the killing of a born child? what's the difference? Once a second life is concerned there is no choice for the mother...I was going to write to be but she's already a mother.

Emma Bonnici

May 26th 2010, 09:39

Most of you have misunderstood the reason why i said that i disagree with animal cruelty and hunting. Julian Caruana said "any of these mothers and fathers are any hunting or against animal cruelty ??? you ll be surprised ......." and i think its completely pointless to mix the two.

I also stated that i am neither against abortion nor am i in favour of it. Before judging something that someone else has said i implore you to actually read it thoroughly first.

A. Farrugia

May 25th 2010, 15:36

With all due respect, I know people who were born to 'unwilling parents', ended up as adopted children and they are leading a very healthy and happy life. They mature faster than other kids, as they are generally made aware of the circumstances surrounding their birth, and this leads them to understand that life has its ups and downs, its moments of good fortune and moments of bad, yet ultimately they also learn about love. So please think twice before passing sweeping statements like:
"Yet then again, even though killing an unborn child is cruel to the eyes of most, far more cruel will be its fate if born to unwilling parents. "
... I completely disagree with you on that point.

Miguel Micallef

May 25th 2010, 12:35

There's no humans involved. You make it sound like they are killing babies. By the same standards, all males who masturbate are serial killers.

E.Muscat

May 25th 2010, 13:00

Only the spartans resorted to that and since they were the warrior elite of Greece at least they had a good reason for the practice.We are an obese and selfish lot who will not be able to produce children at all in not too distant future due to our falling fertility rate:by then we would have been taken over by people from the south!

rbuttigieg

May 25th 2010, 13:14

y are u blaming the fathers too??? its the woman's choice no? men have no right whatsoever on the unborn, they have to dance to the femal's tune whatever she decides

Ramon Casha

May 25th 2010, 13:17

Although I cannot speak for these women, one possible answer to your question is "there is no such thing as an unborn child". Life does not begin at conception and to many, abortion is ethically no different than using a condom - it prevents a life from starting. Keep in mind that most abortions take place very early on.

Duncan Sant

May 25th 2010, 13:33

@Miguel MIcallef & Ramon Casha:
If there is a heart beat, then there is life. End of story.

K. Pullicino

May 25th 2010, 13:33

@Ramon Casha:

It's dead as a rock then, isn't it? Such an argument is ridiculous. I suppose you can also tell me at what point the dead lump of matter is miraculously infused with life. A condom also kills the sperm cells (which are alive) but sperm cells are not a human being because they have half the chromosomes of a human being. On the other hand, a human zygote of one cell is complete with all 46 (or 47 in special cases) chromosomes making him/her a living human being.

S Azzopardi

May 25th 2010, 14:07

@ Miguel Micallef.

You do NOT have, not even the SLIGHTEST or FAINTEST of a clue of what you are talking about.

Kevin Phillips

May 25th 2010, 14:11

@K. Pullicino

condoms do not kill sperms unless they are specifically spermicidal. The common types just behave as barrier.

N Calleja

May 25th 2010, 14:19

@Mr Micallef

Yes, sorry to shock with the obvious, but yes, we're talking of babies. In addition, I'd like to update you with the knowledge that sperm are not babies till they meet an egg and fertilize it. So shedding sperm is like grazing a piece of skin.

Ramon Casha

May 25th 2010, 15:39

@Duncan Sant: I take it that you are against organ transplants - the heart can be kept beating although the brain is dead. That is not what makes a living person.

@K Pullicino: Almost every cell in my body has 46 chromosomes. Some can even live for a while independently of the body (see skin grafts). That's not it either.

Only a functioning brain makes a person what he/she is. After the brain dies, the person is not there any longer - and similarly, before the brain has developed and is working, there is no person inhabiting the body, no matter how human-like the fetus might appear.

Adrian Padovani

May 25th 2010, 17:48

@Ramon Casha

An essential element in the declaration of brain death is irreversibility. Hence one is declared brain dead only when it is established that there is no known way of bringing back the function of that brain. This is in stark contrast to an embryo, which is destined to mature naturally into a full adult .

It is the genetic material of that embryo, once fusion of the gametes has occurred, that defines that embryo to be human, as opposed to animal or plant. The same genetic material is different to that of its individual parents, and therefore the embryo is a human organism already possessing its own individuality distinct from that of its parents. It cannot be considered to be merely an appendage of either of its parents, but an individual in its own right. The embryo also constitutes the whole of that organism, and not merely a part as do for example the kidneys or the skin. Interrupting the development of an embryo is therefore tantamount to interrupting the course of an individual's life.

All this is pure scientific fact that is beyond doubt and beyond debate.

Miguel Micallef

May 25th 2010, 18:09

Sperm mixed up with ovaries is not a baby. I recognize a baby when I see one, and if you take a look at the first weeks of pregnancy you will see I am right, there's no baby there. No one should kill babies, that is murder. Abortion is another thing.

Anyway, the discussion is useless. Malta can keep abortion illegal, as you can see there's other ways., and Malta is not stopping anything. Other people do not mistake sperm for babies so they have no problem disposing of it.

By the way, I hope that all of you anti abortion puppets know that even the church does not have the slightest idea of WHEN the soul enters the body (I know it never enters because it doesn't exist, I'm just pointing out that the church, obviously, is at a loss about this).

James Galea

May 25th 2010, 20:10

@Miguel Micallef
you are iether silly or just want to be funny. First you say that a mixture of ovaries and sperm is not a human. than you say that masturbating is the same as abortion. I think , if you are not being funny, that you should go back to school to learn the difference.

S Azzopardi

May 25th 2010, 22:00

@ Miguel Micallef

For the second time:

Your comments are BEYOND a joke !

Miguel Micallef

May 26th 2010, 10:12

For you, yes, my comments are 'beyond a joke'. For most of the western world, instead, they are the truth and reality, and laws have been passed in line with what I am saying.

You make the math. You and your friends vs me and the world.

Andrew Caruana

May 26th 2010, 12:49

@Mr Miguel

Man, your last comment was one hell of a comment. Maltese people (especially those who are church ridden) think that they at the centre of the world. The truth is, we are not at the centre of the world, and as this article suggests, "Min ma jghaddix mill-bieb, jghaddi mit-tieqa". So, to all church ridden parrots, keep on dreaming and grumbling.

S Azzopardi

May 26th 2010, 20:54

@ Miguel Micallef.

Even sheep and goats group up in large numbers but this does not mean that the opinion of those you think are in larger numbers has a stonger foothold then of those you refer to as the minority.

The mature thinking mind should base opinions on scientific, ethic, moral principles and not be guided by where the sheer volumes and numbers aggregate.

People may choose to put religion in the equation but regardless if one choses to or not, abortion is brutal murder of the defenseless human being. What is legal may not neccesarily mean it is moral as the old adage goes 'The Law is an ass'

I will rest my case here as your counter arguments are the equivalent of loud noise and random sound with little meaning.

Joseph Attard

May 25th 2010, 14:11

Yes unfortunately we are, but we can make it better if we encourage and help pregnant woman more. For example if a woman ends up with an unwanted pregnancy, she should be helped to carry out the pregnancy, give the baby to the state, and then resume with her life without loosing her career. Most of those pointing fingers don't understand what leads to abortions. And unless these issues are identified abortions will continue to happen. And if these women did not go to the UK, they would have done abortions underground, thus increasing the risks and suffering to them and the deathrow child.

Josef Laspina

May 25th 2010, 12:58

78 would be Maltese kids terminated by English abortionists (in collaboration with their parents)