Updated: Two poachers arrested near Delimara - CABS
The German-based CABS bird-watchers group said today that despite a large police and conservationist presence, hunters on the Delimara peninsula fired more than 300 shots at Turtle Doves and raptors this morning.
"The shots came mainly from the Ta´ Lombardi valley and the Ta´ Ngraw area to its rear. We believe that several dozen persons were responsible" CABS president Heinz Schwarze said.
CABS said it had been informed that two poachers were arrested by the police.
It said that its teams had documented the illegal shooting on video, including the shooting at a Hobby and a Montagu´s Harrier however Mr Schwarze regretted not having managed to get footage of a poacher with a weapon in his hand.
"The shooters were clearly aware that they were under observation and concealed themselves behind walls and small clumps of trees. They had look-out posts with mobile phones or walkie-talkies everywhere, and these passed on the position of our teams and the police to the poachers in the valley" Bird Guard Leonardo Petrelli said.
"What we saw this morning was organised crime at its best"
He said that in addition to the CABS team an ALE patrol as well as a mobile team from the district police witnessed this morning's excesses in Delimara.
Another CABS team was deployed in the Selmun Palace area in the north of the island this morning. Apart from five shots, they reported all quiet in the northern part of the island.
The Committee also received information that the police had caught a poacher red-handed hunting with a shotgun and in possession of 'hundreds' of cartridges near Hal-Far this morning.
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S Vella
May 3rd 2010, 11:08
@ H Wolf (cont)
Here we do not hunt ferret of Maltese Falcon. With the argument that you mentioned about hunting rabbit, it should have been the rabbit that became extinct then because that is the species that we hunt not the ferret and Maltese Falson as those species we do not hunt.
With regards to farm raised birds our Federation has made that suggestion about 15 years ago, and obviously the government imposed with our licence and extra charge for the breeding of quails, but it is good to know that the money were collected but the birds were never bred and released so I leave that to the readers to know if we are conservationists or not.
I agree with this as long as the release of these farmed game birds are released during the migration period not in a time when hunting is out of season.
S Vella
May 3rd 2010, 10:49
@ H WOLF
It is not a matter of spin, its the full definition of hunting. It is you who cannot understand that we can only hunt such species when they are migrating and available. You are not correct when saying that I do not understand how that differs from one species hunted all year long with no conservation in mind. Not even if we want to, we cannot!!! We depend on the migration and even during the migration period there are other conditions we depend on such as the wind. In Malta we cannot say that we are going to hunt during the hunting season and at least see game for sure because many a times we do not even see the game we hunt.
As I tried to tell you our passion is not just thirst for blood. We too respect the game we kill and its the whole picture we go for not just hunting, Spring time in the country is not the same like summer! so we go and enjoy the whole thing but on the other hand it makes no sens that we go there and cant hunt.
Sylvana Zarb Darmanin
May 1st 2010, 21:06
Carmen V Gauci, you were only capable of parroting what I said! Yet you conveniently avoided to substantiate how you reached your two conclusions. I stated facts through experience while you just concluded something without proof. C Mallia seems to have been pleased with your poor argument, as long as you are an anti!! And sorry, C Mallia, mhiniex sa nhallikom kwieti, since you have absolutely no right to dictate to me what I should do, write or say!!!
Joe Mangani
Apr 30th 2010, 14:17
@ Matthew Mallia
I don't know why you had to bring up the 'copper, priest, minister, driver, government' argument, because I mentioned none.
The issue is illegal hunting by someone who should know better in their profession, and the message sent by the juduciary in its tretament of the case.
mathew mallia
Apr 30th 2010, 13:56
@ joe mangani, and ur comment is? so what if he is a copper, does it make him infallible? should all priests be locked up? should all ministers be scrutinised? should all drivers have their license revoked? should illegal car taxes make a government fall?
Can u honestly tell me hand on heart that you are whiter than white? with no smell of b o under ur armpit?
M.Mallia
Joe Mangani
Apr 30th 2010, 13:16
And then we get this:
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20100429/local/suspended-jail-term-for-policeman-caught-hunting-illegally
No further comment necessary
Sylvana Zarb Darmanin
Apr 30th 2010, 13:11
Chris Grima, you are absolutely wrong! THE HUNTING SEASON IS OPEN!! In the circumstances, your whole comment is non-factual and untrue!! It is incomprehensible how certain antis decide to comment before informing themselves, with the end result of making a fool of themselves!!
Martin Pisani
Apr 30th 2010, 12:48
@ Chris grima, you obviously have NO expierence in hunting outside of malta otherwise you would not talk such crap.
Now if you have hunting expierences abroad then you aint seen nothing!!!!!!!
I have hunted in Scotland,England,Wales,Slovakia,Poland,Germany and the USA, and even as a proud maltese hunter I feel sickened by what i sometimes see abroad so get your facts right about hunting control abroad...you and others on these blogs have simply no idea what goes on.
Just in the UK an average decent bag in one afternoon could range anything from 40 to 130 birds, a descent bag for a whole season in malta is 4 and thats not bad,6 is quite good and 10 birds in 6 weeks would be brilliant!!!!!!
So wake up and book a hunting trip abroad then send in a blog!!!!!!!!!!!
Chris Grima
Apr 30th 2010, 11:05
The hunting season is closed.
Going out with shotguns in a close season is illegal.
Hunting in the close season is illegal,
Seeing poachers nabbed is P R I C E L E S S !
How thick can you get? With all your guns, this is a war you will never win.
Andrew Gatt
Apr 30th 2010, 12:51
Chris, for your information the hunting season (farcical and stupid as it was) has been open for 6 half-days and has closed an hour ago.
At least get your facts right.
S Vella
Apr 30th 2010, 11:02
@ H Wolf
By the way with regards to the killing of BIRDS OF PREY I came across this very interesting link which I am sure you would be interested in viewing, it concerns the UK!!
http://raptorpolitics.org.uk/?p=983
Sylvana Zarb Darmanin
Apr 30th 2010, 09:24
Carmen V Gauci, can you let us readers know how you came to your two conclusions?!! Well, I am not a hunter BUT I spend considerable time in the countryside. I do not trespass, respect farmers, hunters and country people. This respect is reciprocated and I have never been insulted or showered with lead! Secondly, I have both hunters and BirdLife Members in my family. I decide to side with the hunters because I do not agree with the disrespect, intolerance and hatred coming from the antis' side!! This proves that your two conclusions are baseless!!
Carmen V Gauci
Apr 30th 2010, 12:44
Like you I have members of my family who are hunters/trappers and others who are in favor of nature. Unlike you I have decided to side with environmentalists because I do not agree with the disrespect, intolerance and hatred coming from the hunters side. Having said all this I do understand that it must be hard to have a husband or father who is called a moron and bully by both Maltese and foreigners alike. With regards to my conclusion please read the majority the blogs below and you will see that my conclusions are well founded. There are always two sides to a story, unlike you I am willing to be enlightened about the benefits of hunting and trapping in Malta. Are you willing to open your mind to the advantages of saving nature ??
C Mallia
Apr 30th 2010, 14:27
I know that SZD hates me buttng in, but anyway I amas this is not some exclusive blog. Good reply Carmen Gauci. I would not have said it better.
To add.....it shows how much scientific considerations you give in what SHOULD be a purely scientific argument for bird protection when you said this:
" I decide to side with the hunters because I do not agree with the disrespect, intolerance and hatred coming from the antis' side"
Hallina kwieti SDZ
Carmen V Gauci
Apr 30th 2010, 08:49
I've come to two conclusions who ever defends hunting/trapping in Malta, either does not walk in the country side or else has personal interests in the matter.
Joseph Azzopardi
Apr 30th 2010, 08:39
I am not against hunting, however I am in favour of more enforcement. Enforcement should be done by the police and not by a group of foreigners who pretend to be like the police.
Jason Borg
Apr 30th 2010, 07:35
The "I am not a hunter but..." syndrome shows that many hunters are ashamed to admit in public that in the end, what their "socio-cultural activity" does is to destroy and KILL birds.
Christian Sciberras
Apr 30th 2010, 09:20
Or they are actually not hunters...?
Maria Grima
Apr 30th 2010, 02:43
Very well said mr Ernest Vella!And also to note that in other countries like Germany,deer ,foxes ,and wild boar ,and the gracious mute swans are hunted ALL year round.How come no maltese went to protest there?No wonder ,this is a perfect example that maltese are truly ,'laqin tal-barranin'...
Christian Sciberras
Apr 30th 2010, 09:22
Do you even have an idea about those numbers? Also happens that the hunting provides sport all year long, not hunting the same animal all year long, which is illegal.
Perhaps you should get well informed before spreading misinformation?
Chris Grima
Apr 30th 2010, 11:09
Madam, even in countries where there are huge numbers, hunting is controlled.
Speaking from personal experience. So if you ain't been there, please do not speak about these things.
Hunters abroad go to hunt in dense woods and feel the loss of a kill, while hunters in Malta wait for the poor birds which are tired after a long journey over the sea, and in no fit state to evade the pellets.
Never has so much been suffered by so many for the egoism of such little numbers!
Ma andate la'....
Kenneth Borg
Apr 29th 2010, 21:59
Please do refresh your memories
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVJuR_dQOJs
Sylvana Zarb Darmanin
Apr 29th 2010, 19:09
H Wolf, can you please indicate where "the venom" actually is? Since when has exposing one'[s non-factual statements become venom?! You yourself have come to contradict what you stated earlier. The killing of a human-being is just that: A KILLING OF HUMAN-BEING immaterial as to how this is carried out! There is absolutely no improvement!
Sylvana Zarb Darmanin
Apr 29th 2010, 19:06
R Gatt, a shotgun is valuable not valueable!!! You seem to be unaware of the cost of a shotgun and the expense incurred to "keep and carry"!! You should inform yourself regarding price and worth of such shotguns - maybe then you will realise the "level of ridicule" you have been in so far!!
G Pisani, NOBODY has so far given the long-awaited assurance that CABS personnel are "clean" while roaming the countryside! If I were you, I will not be presumptuous to write that we should feel safe in the presence of CABS in the countryside!!! Meanwhile, try showing some etiquette and use first names for your acquantances only!! Saying that you are in favour of "the collection of the shotguns" clearly shows how ill-informed you are about the care of such guns!!
G Fenech, so according to you since "the human race anywhere close to extinction" we may kill HUMAN-BEING but not BIRDS!!!! Shame and shame on you!! This is the extremism readers have to put up with!!
R.Massa
Apr 29th 2010, 18:12
What about killing Chicken to eat them !! What about Killing Fish , and what about a Juicy Steak with mushroom cream !!! KILLERS !!! How cruel you are !! where where the CABS when this Chicken burger was killed !!! WOW I expect that most of these CABS things together with most coulumnsts here should be Vegiterians !! if not I am really disgusted
Christian Sciberras
Apr 30th 2010, 09:24
Happens that that chicken was you just ate was grown to be eaten.
Seriously what argument are you trying to put up?
R.Massa
Apr 30th 2010, 16:08
@Christian Sciberras
That is exactly the point...some birds are more equal than others Eh?...No problem killing chicken coz they don't feel pain & have no feelings right..?.Perhaps it should be called (ExclusiveBirdLife).. You know what ! you missed out the point ! Game like Turtle doves are there to be eaten since they are not in danger of extinction ! There are millions but for your info a very small percentage passes through the Malta route...but as usual Birdlife members & cabs want to say otherwise...get your facts right please!!
Christian Sciberras
May 30th 2010, 20:19
Mr Massa, I don't care about bird or animal feelings. I'm not an environmentalist, I'm not a vegetarian neither. I enjoy eating (certain) meat as much as it disgusts certain other people.
I will iterate my point, chicken are grown to be eaten. If you want, there are still "wild" chicken out there, of course left in their own reserves.
Chicken will never get extinct, unlike the birds hunters shoot which are exclusively in the wild and which are not owned or fully monitored by anyone.
I can't ask you to get informed since this argument is past information, but I'd ask you to use common sense.
Lastly, to answer your own question; yes some birds are more equal then others. If you want facts for my answer, just give a look to Mr Dodo.
A Azzopardi
Apr 29th 2010, 16:46
If you all hunters are so annoyed that there are CABS interfering in our country business, why don't you do likewise and go to their country and hunt there - according to most of you hunting can be done in all countries in the EU except Malta, so you've got 26 countries to choose from!
I do welcome cabs to malta, as they are helping the police force, although I must say that more efforts from the corp should be pushed towards these types of crime.
What has been promised before the election has no weight in your arguments! I would change your way of approaching this matter as it's baseless.
Andrew Gatt
Apr 29th 2010, 21:22
BIL-QALB KOLLHA, sur Azzopardi. Hallasli kollox int u mmur 6 darbiet fis-sena.
And you seem to treat promises very lightly......even those made by the Prime Minister of Malta, no less. A few birds are worth more than an electoral promise?? Wow. "What has been promised is baseless". Wow again. Shocking.
H Wolf
Apr 29th 2010, 16:39
How about this for a suggestion.
Hunters want a derogation for spring hunting because autumn hunting is not a viable alternative due to atrocious bags. Spring hunting is objected to due to the bird's directive.
Why do we not do what other countries do. Use some of the hunting license fees to breed captive game birds for release during the autumn season in order to make acceptable bags for the hunters? No more arguments about spring hunting, the fall season can stay open longer as in other countries, October to February. Migrating birds are not disturbed, birdwatchers/tourists are not disturbed (Not many out in fall winter),hunters are happy with acceptable bag limits, and then Malta is at zero risk of losing money to the ECJ.
Ernest Vella
Apr 29th 2010, 13:41
Europe contradicts itself in that while protecting birds defend the right to kill babies when are still in the womb...maybe hunting damages the enviroment but yet abortion than is worst than the Holocaust for peopl have the right of there children to live or not.
Europe must be ashamed of its laws
G. fenech
Apr 29th 2010, 16:49
Do you actually think about what you write before blurting it out? Is the human race anywhere close to extinction? Do birds go around raping other birds just because they can?
can you seriously compare the shooting of a protected species, and the termination of a unborn child and keep a straight face?
And then, you add the holocaust to your example????
Do you have any idea of what you're talking about?
Sylvana Zarb Darmanin
Apr 29th 2010, 13:32
Michael Vella, you have conveniently avoided to comment on: "Furthermore, an assurance that CABS personnel are "clean" while roaming our countryside has not been given notwithstanding that I have been asking for it for a long time! We have seen quite a number of anti-hunting individuals commenting below who are against CABS. I am sure we will have many others should certain information come to light!!" Forget "binoculars and video cameras" and let us have your views about what I have written.
c. micallef
Apr 29th 2010, 12:32
Jien ivutajt ghal ewropa biex inkun nista ingawdi in natura minghajr sparar ghalinqas
fir rebbighia imma dan il gvern biex jintogob mal minoranzza tal poplu malti ha jerga
jiftah l istagun tal kacca. Aktar qtil ta ghasafar.
ftakar dr gonzi li f malta hawn aktar kontra l kacca milli favura.
Meta ha taghmel xi haga ta gid ghal ghasafar u l ambjentalisti ?????????????
R.Caruana
Apr 29th 2010, 16:19
nikkwota sa l-inqas comma. F'MALTA HAWN IZJED KONTRA MILLI FAVUR IL-KACCA
steve bajada
Apr 29th 2010, 06:26
dear ruby jenner we are mixing an innocent human life with a bird.a human has the right to decide for him self a bird is destined to die no matter how . like this in a few more days we will have animals like farrots or cats that kill a bird taken to court for prosecution . stop mixing things. stop abusing the law to stop an act from the ancient times and dont be ridicoulous to base facts on a bird than on a human .
C. L. Attard
Apr 28th 2010, 23:58
We had a day off in Gozo in what we thought would be enjoying the country in the most beautiful time of the year. Sadly mistaken. In the space of a few hours, we saw no less than four hunters in the same valley. At one point, pellets came raining down...and we were in a balcony of a house at the time. Someone in the vicinity called the police and they responded, but the hunter responsible had already moved on. We also heard gunshots from different parts of Gozo...totally open season! Considering that this is a time when its illegal to hunt, and reading all these reports, please hunters, stop insulting people's intelligence by saying that its only a handful of law breakers. If this really is the case then you would have no problem to organise your Marshalls as you did to safeguard your directives, and help the police identify this 'handful' of culprits that threaten your hobby. But it seems actions are speaking much louder than words. Gunshot even louder still.
joseph lia
Apr 29th 2010, 13:35
Dear CL Attard, please check carefully your information before disseminating it publicly.
IT IS LEGAL to hunt from the 24th of April 2010 til the 30th of April 2010, both dates included, suffice to note that ONLY Turtle dove and Quail are to be harvested (3 birds Bag Limit), up till midday ONLY during this period and EXLUDING Sundays and Public Holidays.
23 people (more than 4 people) paid for this LEGAL HUNTING SEASON (sic!) and should be roaming the Maltese countryside legally during this period. These persons you saw/heard might have roamed to another area until the police arrived, might have/could have.......
Jason Borg
Apr 30th 2010, 07:33
@ Mr. Lia - din minn fejn gibtha li t-tajr jigi harvested? Mela dak xi ghalqa kabocci? Jew qed tisthi tuza l-kelma "killed"?
godfrey pisani
Apr 28th 2010, 22:50
what a sad state of affair......... all this panic on nothing ,,, dr gonzi did you hear any shots in the morning please , " a large police force and CABS were present , yet still they counted 300 shots wow and arrested how many please ???, and now we have organized crime wow again shall we get the FED'S they are professional in this matter or maybe some navy seal's or maybe RSPB can get in the SAS . PLEASE ANY ONE HELP US WE HAVE NOW ORGANIZED FARMER CRIME GANGS IN MALTA . get a life guys and give us a break . As Legal hunter i will never give up till i die ....and protect my legal tradition .
Andrew Gatt
Apr 28th 2010, 22:08
Let's get one thing straight, and this has absolutely nothing to do with poaching, illegal hunting or legal hunting. CABS's self-declared aim is "to stop the hunting of migratory birds".
The ONLY game birds we can legally hunt in Malta are migratory. We are the ONLY EU country with no resident game apart from rabbits in certain areas. Never had, never will.
Ergo, CABS are equally committed to the eradication of LEGAL hunting in Malta. First Spring, then Autumn. And the tactics are now obvious and stale. To make things even worse, Birdlife and CABS are buddier than the best bedfellows. Come on. Get real. These are self-appointed extremists who want to impose their extremism on another country, while their own is one of the worst offenders in Europe.
Support CABS? Back Birdlife? In the way they operate and are run? YOU MUST BE INSANE.
Stefan farrugia
Apr 29th 2010, 12:54
Yeah right... so your poaching brethen can have a field day, right? without any interference... you wish!
Andrew Gatt
Apr 29th 2010, 15:53
No need to patronise me, Stefan. It is the job of the Police and particularly of the ALE to patrol the countryside uphold the laws. Paid for out of my taxes and hunting licences as well as yours.
Certainly NOT CABS. Or Birdlife.
Joe Caruana
Apr 28th 2010, 22:01
Why don't these cabs go with their binoculars beside clinics where thousand of babies are massacred inside their mothers womb. As a tradition people here used to kill a turtle dove to make some soup. The Germans and other people in Europe what do they kill the baby for? Maybe for pleasure. Its funny ta that its legal to kill a baby and illegal to kill a turtle dove for some soup.
K FARRUGIA
Apr 29th 2010, 12:05
i m sorry, you re out of subject!! two wrongs wont make one right.
Sylvana Zarb Darmanin
Apr 28th 2010, 21:00
Adrian Aquilina, shotguns are bought, licenced and held in a legal manner!! So what exactly gives you the right to ask for their collection?!! I do not expect you to answer ME but do you believe we have a right to ask for the collection of your valuables?! The "ban hunting " dream seems to have become quite common with the extremists!
Comments below reveal the insultive and rude manner in which certain antis have become accustomed to use. Depicting the Maltese Hunters in a degrading manner while using such lowerly language in their comments, shows the sorry state in which the antis are in!
Edward Camilleri, I am not a hunter and not "in favour of illegal hunting" HOWEVER I am against CABS policing our countryside. We have our own Police Force. Furthermore, an assurance that CABS personnel are "clean" while roaming our countryside has not been given notwithstanding that I have been asking for it for a long time! We have seen quite a number of anti-hunting individuals commenting below who are against CABS. I am sure we will have many others should certain information come to light!!
Michael Vella
Apr 28th 2010, 21:59
Since you are not a hunter, not in favour of illegal hunting and as you claim, are simply a person who for no reason whatsoever decided to defend hunting in Malta so passionately , what is your problem with people armed with binoculars and video cameras going around our countryside? If you are indeed against illegal hunting, then why are you against or scared of people filming law abiding hunters shooting down birds? I would have assumed that since you are against illegal hunting, any person working to stop this idiotic practice would have your support??
Our police force does it's job but i have absolutely no problem with anyone (foreign or maltese) reporting illegal activities around the island and supporting our police force. As far as i am concerned, as long as they don't take the law into their own hands, like some hunters like to do, they can carry on doing their good work.
RGatt
Apr 29th 2010, 09:32
You have jumped to another level of ridicule if you consider a shotgun as a 'valueable' .
G.Pisani
Apr 29th 2010, 09:33
Sylvana you may not be a hunter but you might know someone who is close to you who is a hunter the way you talk. If you are not a hunter, you have nothing to fear from Cabs or BLM. They are actually making sure you enjoy YOUR country side.
So sorry if I don't believe you. And yes I agree with the collection of the shotguns. They are dangerous to the public, imagine me and my wife, we love going for a walk in the country side, but we end up meeting some rambo with a shot gun. I do not trespass, but we have been shouted at once not to make noise while walking in a public road as we scare the birds and we were only talking.
Antoine Grima
Apr 28th 2010, 20:27
Mr Edward Camilleri . Yes i do complain about the CABS , not because they are reporting illegal hunting , but because they are foreigners in who's countries alot worse than here goes on all year round . I tell you what , Malta is not getting that much help from Europe as regards illegal immigrants , but they are queing up to come here and get a cheap 2 week holiday in the sun
Alan Caruana
Apr 28th 2010, 21:25
I fully agree with you , Europe should see the problems we face with the immigrants not that I am against these people or Europe but I do see that priorities are not handled well at all !
N Zahra
Apr 28th 2010, 20:19
To all the fools asking CABS to 'go home' - THIS IS THEIR HOME! just the same as their home in MINE! We live in the EU, just at the southernmost tip. All of you morons are free to move to whichever part you like, complain, and have your voices heard. And that' the way its gonna be...
lgalea
Apr 28th 2010, 21:59
N Zahra Not for long Zahra. The great news is that the eu is crumbling, falling apart and it won't last long. Look at the disastrous situation in Greece, Portugal and Spain have been downgraded, Italy will soon follow, Belgium without a government and other eu countries in deep trouble, farmers protesting with their tractors in Paris, protests in Brussels, Malta is following the PIIGS and will soon be in the same situation.
Ruby Jenner
Apr 28th 2010, 20:08
Mathew Mallia, abortion has nothing to do with illegal hunting. It is also hypocritical of you as how many Maltese citizens travel overseas to have abortions.? It's ok, but not in my backyard. Abortion is legal in Germany.
Andrew Gatt
Apr 28th 2010, 22:21
Abortion is legal in Germany. Well done. Excellent. What an example to follow, just coz it's legal. You must be very proud.
Incidentally, Ruby, the shooting of raptors in certain states is also legal. I'm not surprised. After all, if you can terminate human fetuses, birds of prey should be a piece of cake. Germany is one of the very worst offenders in this regard.
And if you don't believe me, just ask CABS. Or visit their website.
p.zammit
Apr 28th 2010, 23:58
abortion has alot to do with hunting in fact abortion is alot worse one is killing birds the other is killing humans you figure out which is worse ,moron. Making abortion legal doesn't justify it
S Vella
Apr 29th 2010, 10:34
@ Ruby Jenner
Hypocritical is how you protect abortion because you say its legal to kill unborn children who were never given a chance to see the sunlight, not traditional hunting that is practiced all over the world. The fact that it is practised in the countries were CABS come from, mainly Germany and they come here to stick their noses in our business, that is very Arrogant and HYPOCRITCAL!! They do worse in their homelands and they come here to obscure us!!
GO HOME...!!
Sylvana Zarb Darmanin
Apr 28th 2010, 19:56
John Ebejer, "close communication that these hunters seem to have with members of the police force" - that is indeed a very serious accusation! The Commissioner of Police is expected to take the necessary action and investigate such serious accusations!!!
Wake up H Wolf!! MALTA HAS ACTUALLY APPLIED A DEROGATION FOR THE OPENING OF THE SPRING HUNTING SEASON!! Why are you stating otherwise?! And please try showing some respect towards the many law-abiding hunters! Also, do not include me with "the rest of the populace." I happen to know the meaning of love, respect and tolerance towards the many law-abiding hunters!!
"as mankind evovled we discovered they were not acceptable practice." Well, well, evolution has brought about the acceptable practice of abortion!!! That is an improvement!!!!
H Wolf, "the paper might be pro-FKNK"!!!!!! You must be joking!! Sir/Madam, this is a respectable newspaper and I am sure it must have censored some sort of insultive and lowerly comment from you!!!!
H Wolf
Apr 28th 2010, 23:02
Ms Zarb Darmanin, may I ask why the venom to my comments?
Regarding the derogation, yes, Malta applied a derogation and was taken to the ECJ and told their derogation was in violation of the Bird's Directive. The government tried a one week, limited season to test the waters without putting the full Maltese populace at financial risk for the benefit of a few (yeah, they do it in other ways, but we should be happy when they do what they should) the FKNK objected and I believe it was last week there was a comment from the EU that if Malta had applied a 3 week spring hunting season, Malta would have been taken to court, again.
I love how people are happy to compare hunting to abortion. For your information abortion has always been around, except 1000's of years ago it involved beating the prospective mother's belly with fists, stones, sticks...whatever was available to cause a miscarrage, or simply killing the mother. As despicable as modern day abortions are, wouldn't you say that's an improvement?
Regarding the comment at the times, that statement was made because my comments (as they stand now) appeared and disappeared.
Anthony Formosa
Apr 28th 2010, 19:20
Jekk Joghgobkom, tistghu tighduli min kienu dawk il-kaccaturi keshin, arroganti, u injoranti, li sparaw sitt tiri x'imkien fin-north ta Malta u qajmu lil Mr/Ms I Cilia fis 6.30 ta filghodu. Araw qisu li ma tergax tkun ghax tqajmu lil gvern darbohra. Min irid jispara jaqbad u jonfoq 3,000 ewro u morru sparaw barra min Malta.
j.schembri
Apr 28th 2010, 18:40
Qrajt hafna mill-kummenti u bdejt nidhaq ghax indunajt kemm hawn nies li iharbxu kontra dak u l-iebor minghajr ma jafu xejn. IVA il-CABS mhux Malta biss jahdmu imma fl-Italja u anki go Cipru. JIena fl-opinjoni tieghi huma nies serji ghax dak li jkunu se jaghmlu jiddikjarawh minn qabel. Ikunu fit-T Shirts li jarhom kulhadd u mhux jilghabu hide and seek. Ix-xoghol li qed jaghmlu dawn in-nies huwa biex isalvaw l-ghasafar li mhumiex tal-Maltin biss imma tal-Ewropej kollha. Dawn l-ghasafr jghaddu biss minn fuq Malta u allura ghandhom dritt li jipprotegu lil dawn l-ghasafar. Jiena jiddispjaċini ghal dawk il-kaccarturi ta veru, u mhux ghal dawk li huma rambos. Il-Gvern ghandu jiehu shieb dawn il-kaccaturi ghax qed ghamlu hafna hsara lil Malta. Dawn il-kaccaturi li huma ta veru kellhom ic-cans li japplikaw ghal licenzja u johorgu għal kacca ghalkemm iz-zmien kien qasir.
Edward Camilleri
Apr 28th 2010, 17:58
@all those hunters complaining below
If you are against CABS then you are in favour of illegal hunting! CABS do nothing except report illegalities, which each one of us should be doing.
Paul A. Camilleri
Apr 28th 2010, 17:55
@ M. Gatt
I am a Hunter and abide by all hunting rules that are on the table. You decided to call us hunters CRIMINALS. I will not stay for what you just called me.!!!!!!!!! If there are CRIMINALS out there, they are the ANTIS and those who encourage CABS to come and roam our countryside with one Sole AIM, TROUBLE!!!!!!!!
I for one, have my own land were to hunt and believe me I am waiting for these ALLIENS to trespass and invade Private Property, that will be the day!!!!!!!! ISSA QASITUNA BIL KUMMENTI VOJTA U DISPREGIATIV TAGHKOM. You want to report us hunters you said, SIMPLE, go to the nearest Police station. If I wanted a drink, common sense tells me to go to a bar.
Michael Vella
Apr 28th 2010, 18:47
If you are hunting without a licence, then YES you are a criminal. It's quite simple really for the average person to understand, if you break the law you are doing a criminal activity, hence you are being a criminal. Needless to say, not all hunters are criminals, far from it.
Finally if memebers of CABS do trespass onto your private property, i suggest you act in a civilised way like they do and inform the police who will take action. If you are a hunter that abides by the law, you have no reason to fear CABS. I have no idea why law abiding hunters are against men with binoculars and cameras roaming the countryside. If anything i would encourage them to come and see for themselves that no poaching is taking place.
G.Pisani
Apr 28th 2010, 18:51
"me I am waiting for these ALLIENS to trespass and invade Private Property, that will be the day!!!!!!!!"
You sound violent = criminal.
BAN HUNTING and collect all weapons Dr.Gonzi, these criminals can;t roam around with guns.
S. Camilleri
Apr 28th 2010, 18:53
You are part of the community of hunters. ...
Jekk ma tiftahx halqek kontra din il-minoranza KBIRA ta' kaccaturi ... int wiehed minnhom. Irrapurtawhom inthom u mbaghad tigbru giehkhom!!!
J. Borg
Apr 28th 2010, 18:57
may i suggest you read the comment you supposedly commented about....
you might notice the adjactive "illegal"
then read your comment again .... and assess whether next time it would be better to think before having a "shot" on this blog....since you did not win any "legal" hunters any brownies!
adrian aquilina
Apr 28th 2010, 17:27
all decent people who have compassion toward all living things should be watching and reporting these brainless neanderthals and their unnecessary killing of beautiful birds that we should be watching flying over malta..these people cannot behave like part of society,they insist on nothing but the murder of wildlife so just ban hunting and stop giving gun licences..take guns away unless you are part of a registered shooting range and all guns have to be locked up on the property of the range..if they dont know how to behave like decent adults then take their toys away
p.zammit
Apr 28th 2010, 21:54
I read this whole page of arguments and I'm quite disappointed. We live live in a country that's catholic, but I'm afraid we have very little faith or none at all. Why, you might ask? I'll tell and I'll tell what I beleive. I beleive in God ,and what is created by God no man can destroy ,no hunters or poachers as you like to call them unless the hunter is tool in God's hand to make it happen, and if that is God's will no CABS or BLM will save them. Remember the dinosaurs they became extinct and it wasn't done by hunters., so why not cut the crap and and leave everyone to enjoy his hobby as he pleases
Paul A. Camilleri
Apr 28th 2010, 17:23
Are these two guys with binoculars waiting for more reinforcements ? Sorry Guys, due to the VOLCANIC ASH, the LUFTWAFFE will be coming a week late.........................
A.Damato
Apr 28th 2010, 17:23
@ C.Borg-Why can't I enjoy the fish because someone ( like you )wants them in their freezer/frying pan !!!!!!!
Whilst condemning all illegal acts of every sort and nature, I strongly also condemn the hypocrisy of people like you who want to destroy someone else's hobby because you don't agree with it and as the vast majority of you extremist abolitionists don't know absolutely anything about it and here I am referring to the LEGAL AND TRADITIONAL spring hunting of turtle doves and quail and not to the poaching of other protected species.
@ CABS- You'd better concern yourself about the disgusting practices that are going on in your dear germany........ birds of prey being POISIONED and thrown away because they are being a nuisance to gamekeepe's business. This in unacceptabel that we have foreigners dictating us and our authorities what we should and shouldn't do and roaming our coutryside as if they were the almighty lords. This government has sold it's soul to the foreign big brother !!!!!
C.Borg
Apr 28th 2010, 18:11
Dear A.Damato, as you correctly said....it is not bad to do something which is legal? Is catching fish illegal? No! So cut the bull! You hunters are also draining yourself into more dirt while you condemn what CABS are doing! You should be thanking them for trying to get the irregularities and maybe in the future you can enjoy your so called hobby again. Meanwhile hypocrisy is in yourself trying to justify hunting as a traditional hobby! Considering something traditional to be right is as close minded as it can get!
Mathew Mallia
Apr 28th 2010, 17:11
Im no hunter (nor poacher) but please Germans, according to one of your german websites you legally abort 1 million,656 thousand, 683 babies in 12 yrs!!!!!!! these are the ones that are recorded and reported according to the website.
Now statistics is a lovely game but come on guys, have you not got your priorities wrong here?
Yes ok poaching is wrong but here we are talking about turtle doves,a maltese passion,tradition and game bird,season legally opened by the EU,its been going on for hundreds of yrs,every year ALL EU countries shoot game especially Germany and also vermin,either for the pot,fun or as they are pests but now as EU's tiniest state there is a big hoo hah going on.
Where were the CABS when the hundreds of birds of prey were poisoned in Germany? and these were the only ones found and reported?
Now get on a plane and start your charity at home....preferably in front of an Abortion Clinic
M.Mallia
lgalea
Apr 28th 2010, 22:02
They care about birds, but they MURDER HUMAN BEINGS.
Jason Borg
Apr 28th 2010, 22:53
You may not be a hunter or a poacher but your reasoning is very similar to theirs. What has abortion got to do with bird conservation?
Ruby Jenner
Apr 28th 2010, 16:59
S Vella. What has abortion got to do with hunting? Abortion is legal in most European countries. It's called choice and if you are against it you don't have to use it. Poaching is illegal. Read the international press, the whole of Europe is talking about Malta and it's problems with hunters/poachers.
S Vella
Apr 29th 2010, 09:10
@ Ruby Jenner
Of course abortion has a lot to do with hunting. The difference is that hunting is legal and killing game to eat while abortion is the killing of the innocent before being born and were never given a chance to live. Where it is legal it shows how Barbaric and inhumane the butchers who commit it are. No annimal on Earth kills its offspring before birth just like modern so called "Humans do". Today some people have a heart for animals much more than they have for unborn children and Its unbelievable how people like you have the nerve to ask what does hunting have to do with abortion, I think human life is much more valuable than the way you are reasoning, altough I love animals and am against "Mohqrija tal-annimali" but hunting is not as you are trying to picture it that we have thirst for blood and kill for fun or for our convience. We hunt game which we eat!
Poaching is illegal and that is why we have the authorities to prosecute those who break the law.
That is the agenda of CABS and BLM to blow the hunting issue all over Europe!
S Vella
Apr 29th 2010, 09:19
@ Ruby Jenner (cont.)
It is their agenda because ECJ ruling gave Malta the right to hunt in Spring even tough everyone antihunting tried to give everyone the impression that we did not have a right to do so....so now they are trying to obscure us in an emphasised way to blow up the issue.
They say that Spring hunting is illegal because birds are on their way to their breeding grounds, while in abortion we are killing the offspring......IS THAT ACCEPTABLE FOR YOU??
DVella
Apr 28th 2010, 16:52
Sur Desira . . . min jikkaccja barra miz-zmien huwa bniedem illi qed jikser il-ligi . . KRIMINAL ! ! Fuq kollox huwa daqs tant iehor 'poacher' daqs kemm jikkaccja fejn mhux suppost isir kacca ! !
Jekk xi hadd qazzas lil kulhadd, certament huma shabek tal-fraternita tas-senter u l-attitudni arroganti taghhom ! !
S Vella
Apr 28th 2010, 17:11
Ghal min nesa, jew qed jipprova jnessi.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYgag85Rttk&feature=player_embedded
http://kaccaturi.com/eddie.html
Joseph Desira
Apr 28th 2010, 17:35
Sur Vella, skond kif qed tghid int kull min jikser il-ligi huwa kriminal, mela ghandna hafna kriminali Malta, jekk taqla' citazzjoni ukoll tkun ksirt il-ligi, mela sirt kriminal.
Iva qazziztuna, intom li ma tafu tikkumentaw fuq xejn hlief kacca, kacca..., il-BLM bil-gideb taghhom u l-CABS li jmisshom jaraw x'qed jigri f'pajjizhom u pajjizi hafna ikbar min Malta fejn isiru massakri ta' tajr tal-priza. Fl-Ingilterra biss jinqatlu madwar 10,000 tajra tal-priza kull sena u din ma tissejahx kriminalita organizzata min dawn il-qabda CABS li qed jigu hawn ihammgu isem Malta, u minn fuq, xi erba' laqghin Maltin iridu jghinuhom fix-xoghol taghhom bhas-sur M Gatt
http://raptorpolitics.org.uk/?p=983
M.Gatt
Apr 28th 2010, 16:48
Can someone please let us maltese people know how we can help CABS with their work and report any illegal hunters?
I am very willing to do so! You criminals are destroying our country!
Andrew Gatt
Apr 28th 2010, 17:14
Very easy! Want to help CABS? Let's see what qualifications you need:
1. The ability to sensationalise,to lie and to pick on a tiny country without regard to what goes on in your own
2. A network of like-minded protectionists to help you in your dirty work
3. A calculator to multiply everything you see or hear by a factor of 100
4. EU funds to waste on pointless and provocative campaign that save nothing and help nobody.
5.Computer literacy, to be able to upload scores of gory and exaggerated video clips to slander your country and hopefully scare away tourists.
6. A fanatical hatred of all things to do with hunting - especially hunters - and the more extreme you are the better.
There's plenty more, but see if you qualify for these first.........!
Nikki Nova
Apr 28th 2010, 17:30
yes - let us know - how we can help? I can donate money, time... Just let me know how to stop the minority ruining this country!
C.Borg
Apr 28th 2010, 16:40
Sur Sandro,
Yesterday I was fishing and I saw a flock of birds which I think were Kwak (from their sound). I made a few noises and they came flying over my head for over 20 minutes. I felt in paradise!
This has never happened in my life. The only times I saw such things is when I am out at sea and see a bird of prey but it won't last 20 minutes as you would see it going down because of some arrogant hunter!
Why can;t I enjoy these birds because of someone who wants them in their wardrobe?
Andrew Gatt
Apr 28th 2010, 17:23
You made a "few noises"? I can only begin to imagine what they were!!!!!
m camilleri
Apr 28th 2010, 16:28
viva Malta u. Ahjar tibdew ituhom xi paga il dawn il cabs ghax qed jaghmlu xoghol haddihor lol kif spicajna dan il pajjiez kull jum bxi ahbar li iwaqalna wicna lart. nahseb li il gvern ahjar jatti xi gimatejn lil kaccaturi u joservaw sewwa li jisparaw fuq il gamim u is sumien forsi naqtawa umbad min jinqabad jispara fuq tajr protet semplici titehidlu larma darba ghal dejjem. ghax imagina li ikun hemm elf kaccatur li jigu jaqaw u iqumu mil ligi u johorgu xorta jisparaw. Xtaghmlu tresquwhom kolla il qorti il dawn lelf, ahna qedin sewwa il qorti ma tispica qatt umbad iktar nigu .naqra sens please
AFabri
Apr 28th 2010, 16:25
Altough I' m against Hunting....but please CABS leave us alone to sort the matter between ourselves.
I wonder if CABS have ever been assigned to monitor Sicily or Italian mainland which funny enough they should have same EU obligations. Europe is strong with the weak but very Weak with the strong.
Jason Borg
Apr 28th 2010, 22:54
Yes, the do monitoring work in Italy, Sicily and Sardinia as well.
E Vella
Apr 28th 2010, 16:25
Shooting was still going on this afternoon....after the 12.00 noon ban. 23 Hunters only paid the licence! Pull another one us. CABS and BLM keep up the pressure!
E Gatt
Apr 28th 2010, 16:05
It looks like many people have not realised that we have been in the EU for six years already.
Someone from another EU country has many of, or equal rights as the rest of us Maltese have. Us Maltese have as many of, or equal rights as nationals living in other EU countries. There are no borders, and we the citizens of Europe have every right to express ourselves.
CABS have every right to express themselves and report their findings.
Nikki Nova
Apr 28th 2010, 16:14
Well said! Wake up people!
I think there is a need for a new political force, no more Gonzis and no more Muskats! GIve the voting rights to people who live here, who own properties! Who pay taxes! Who advertise your country outside!
S Vella
Apr 28th 2010, 16:21
Well said!!
we are equal EU citizens thus we have the right to hunt. We are not 2nd class EU citizens,
besides we have the ruling of the ECJ backing us.
Joseph Desira
Apr 28th 2010, 16:33
Naf li kien hawn kaccaturi li emmnuh u sfortunatament jibqghu jemmnuh, imma serrah rasek li jien qatt ma kont u mhux se nkun wiehed minnhom.
amifsud
Apr 28th 2010, 16:35
Mr Gatt...
I speak for myself when I say this has nothing to do with Eu and freedom of movement and expression
My point is that CABS are beginning to go a bit too far and are now seen as meddling. they are going to need the help of a good pr company to help maintain support for their work, but not look like they're the all-knowing foreigners and we don't know how to deal with our own problems
Believe me I am completely against the aggressive, law-breaking hunters. And I also agree with outside assistance for something which we are not dealing with....but not to the point that they take over. They also have to respect the cultural differences and the maltese way of dealing with issues..... which is debatable, I know
Joseph Desira
Apr 28th 2010, 17:02
Mr Gatt, are you aware that in the UK (legally), another EU country just like us can hunt for wood pigeon all year round?
PS And with this excuse they hunt for other birds during spring, especially ducks, geese and sometimes birds of prey!!! So UK hunters have more rights than us.
Please get your facts right before commenting.
I think CABS are afraid of going to these countries to report thise illegalities or else no one gives them a free holiday like we do in Malta.
H Wolf
Apr 28th 2010, 17:07
@S.Vella
We are not second class EU citizens nor are we better than everyone else able to do as we please, in complete violation of the law.
Please show me, links to articles and factuals, which other EU countries are able to hunt Turtledove and quail in spring. Show me what countries are allowed to hunt protected birds of prey at any time...
You think only of yourself and could care less about the rights of others to enjoy what you kill. If this was left purely to the Maltese, it would not be long before you had nothing at all to hunt, just as the maltese ferret and falcons have been driven to extinction by your need to hunt without reservation. What happens when all the species are gone, will you start hunting each other next in search of your next thrill to kill something?
Hunting is not wrong, my family does it. But they respect what they kill, they use it completely. They follow the laws and regulations and make sure they do it in a sustainable manner.
joseph galea
Apr 28th 2010, 17:20
Thank you for the information. Breaking news??
It is thanks to being in the EU and the TOM that we can now voice our opinion so openly.
Stick to yours and I stick to mine.
We do not need this negative publicity which has been blown out of all proprtions.
From a Tourism point of you (as I eran my daily bread from there),the German market has lost its 2nd place to the Italians. We all know why! Not only the low cost frequency form ITYLAND.
Most of us agree that hunting is a thing of the past. We must let things run their course without splashing it losely. We do not need this. Not now.
Are we the only country in the EU or out, that has the scourge of poachers?
I seldomn read articles (of this intensity) about poaching in other countries.
CABS please take a cab............................home
joe the plumber
pcachia
Apr 28th 2010, 19:04
Exactly, especially considering migratory birds which are only in or around Malta for a brief time.
S Vella
Apr 29th 2010, 11:57
@ H Wolf
Here is a factual link you asked for :
http://www.birdlife.org/news/pr/2007/05/cyprus_hunting.html
Besides in the UK hunting is practised all year round, not for Turtle dove or quail,but it is still hunting.....We use to hunt 22 psieces before in Spring but were reduced to 2 the Turtle dove and quail, and that is all we are asking for, an for your information I never wrote that we are asking to hunt birds of prey, I now ask you to quote me were I said so!
I am glad to read from yourself that Hunting is not wrong and more so that your family does it, and are we any less than your family? who told you that we do not respect what we kill?who told you we do not use it completly?
ECJ ruling gave us the right to hunt in Spring so if this was honoured we too would be following the rules and regulations, that is the meaning of derogation.
We do not have game around us all year round so we depend on the migration season so that is when the derogation has to be applied.
H Wolf
Apr 29th 2010, 18:02
I followed your link, Cyprus, without a derogation permitted 2 days of spring hunting and will likely be taken to court over it. I fail to see reference to spain year round hunting and UK.
Possibly the comment to birds of prey was harsh, but lately it seems that hunters are defending any kind of poaching. Whether it is birds of prey at any time or any other kind of bird without license or outside of season, it is poaching. And unfortunately by not aggressively policing their own backyard when there is so much controversy, it makes it seem as if hunters are defending poaching.
This article is case in point, so many hunters have come out offering excuses and reasons for the shooting, it makes it seem as if they are supporting the actions. Little do they realise that it's damaging them. When this goes back to the ECJ, they will see that Malta could not successfully manage a small season of one week. Do you think they will permit more than that or even the week as it stands now?
Please see my latest post (near the top) as to a possible solution for everyone.
S Vella
Apr 30th 2010, 09:47
@ H Wolf
http://www.countrysports.co.uk/
http://www.justlanded.com/english/Spain/Articles/Travel-Leisure/Hunting-in-Spain
As you can see in this link Uk hunt all year round.....May I pont ou that hunting is not just birds and an important fact with hunting in Malta is that we depend on the migration of birds so if in Spain they hunt the Turtle dove and Qail in February as you can see fro the link, it is the time when the birds are preparing for their nest too. we can only hunt when the species are migrating and over Malta, we cant hunt turtle dove and quail when they are not here!
You cant generalise by saying that hunters are defending any kind of poaching and writing blunt statements because I am a hunter and do not defend poaching, but the fact that the government wanted to open a limited hunting season for just 2500 licensence and not to all hunters who are licencense means that the killing of quail and Turtle dove is possible in spring, ok limited number, BUT POSSIBLE!
Before the referendum the government sent all hunters a written gurantee not 2500!
ECJ ruling too said that a limited hunting season is possible and Ornis gave suggestions!
S Vella
Apr 30th 2010, 09:54
@ H Wolf (cont)
I read your suggestion near the top but unless you are a hunter you can never understand hunting....so your suggestion is not valid because we hunt migrating birds not breed captive game birds, I know it sounds the same but its like you like football and I suggest you go and follow basketball, both games are played with a ball but are different games, if you can understand my example. Even the time of year and the weather makes part of the whole
hunting experience.
S Vella
Apr 30th 2010, 10:13
@ H Wolf (cont)
http://www.simplyhuntingwithpaul.com/spain_hunting_season.html
http://www.basc.org.uk//en/departments/game-and-gamekeeping/game-shooting/shooting-seasons.cfm
Bird Pest Species
Pest birds, such woodpigeon and crows, can be controlled all year round subject to the terms and conditions of general licences. By definition you do not need to apply for a general licence. The purposes for which you can control pest birds and the species of birds for which those purposes apply is different in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Aditionally, all general licences get renewed at least once a year. For that reason BASC maintains an up to date guide to general licences on its website.
As you can see from these links HUNTING may be practised all year round!!
S Vella
Apr 30th 2010, 11:42
@H Wolf
Have a look at this please...I am sure it interest you concerning UK and Germany
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/animal-smuggling-is-the-most-lucrative-crime-after-drugs-1169491.html
S Vella
Apr 30th 2010, 15:20
@ H Wolf
Some more interesting links for you Mr Wolf from Scotland
http://raptorpersecutionscotland.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/scotlands-red-kites-under-threat-from-illegal-killing/
H Wolf
Apr 30th 2010, 16:34
@S Vella
Okay, now I see the spin on hunting year round, it is that the hunting times of multiple species are at different times of the year. If you cannot understand how that differs from one species hunted all year long with no conservation in mind....
Just answer this question, why do they have multiple species availble to hunt while in Malta we are left with migrating species and rabbits? What happened to the ferrets? What happened to the Maltese Falcon?
Regarding farm raised game birds and migratory, you obviously have not done your research. With current methods of raising game birds for release, they are never acclimated to humans. They still possess their natural fear of them and will act as do their wild brethren. The birds are released into the wild to be hunted as normal, you do not hunt them on a reserve. So tell me, how is it different? Other than the fact that you actually have something to hunt AND help with conservation at the same time?
S Vella
May 4th 2010, 10:31
@ H WOLF
It is not a matter of spin, its the full definition of hunting. It is you who cannot understand that we can only hunt such species when they are migrating and available. You are not correct when saying that I do not understand how that differs from one species hunted all year long with no conservation in mind. Not even if we want to, we cannot!!! We depend on the migration and even during the migration period there are other conditions we depend on such as the wind. In Malta we cannot say that we are going to hunt during the hunting season and at least see game for sure because many a times we do not even see the game we hunt.
As I tried to tell you our passion is not just thirst for blood. We too respect the game we kill and its the whole pictue we go for not just hunting, Spring time in the country is not the same like summer! so we go and enjoy the whole thing but on the other hand it makes no sens that we go there and cant hunt.
S Vella
May 4th 2010, 10:35
@ H Wolf (cont)
Here we do not hunt ferret or Maltese Falcon. With the argument that you mentioned about hunting rabbit, it should have been the rabbit that became extinct then because that is the species that we hunt not the ferret and Maltese Falson as those species we do not hunt.
With regards to farm raised birds our Federation has made that suggestion about 15 years ago, and obviously the government imposed with our licence and extra charge for the breeding of quails, but it is good to know that the money were collected but the birds were never bred and released so I leave that to the readers to know if we are conservationists or not.
I agree with this as long as the release of these farmed game birds are released during the migration period not in a time when hunting is out of season.
Joseph Desira
Apr 28th 2010, 16:02
Aqtawha din tal-poachers, min jikkacja l-gamiem mhux poacher.Kellkom bzonn intom kollha li qed tikkumentaw intom nies sew daqs dawn it-tnejn minn nies li nqabdu jikkacjaw ghall-gamiem, kif fil-fatt ghandhom dritt jaghmlu ghax hekk gew imweghda mil-gvern nazzjonalista!!Nafhom sew jien lil dawn.Halluna bi kwietna u ERFGHU SALIBKOM ghax qazziztuna, nahseb kollha qaddisin timxu fl-art !!
N.Tanti
Apr 28th 2010, 16:12
Ghaziez Joseph....il gvern bazwi li ghandna bhalissa ghamel hafna weghdiet....fosthom li jien ha jkolli hajja ahjar.... imma miniex nghix hajja ahjar ghax biex nlahhaq mal kontijiet nrid nisakar gewwa? Allura x naghmel? Nmur nisraq?
Din kollha injoranza li trid tinqata mil pajjiz! Jalla titghallmu il min andkhom temmnu!
C Callus
Apr 28th 2010, 17:47
Verament Sur Desira - jiena mhinx qaddis izda l-anqas nikser il-ligi b'dan il-mod sfaccat imbghad nippretendi li niehu ragun mill bqija tas-socjeta.
Ghalkemm dan il gvern huwa giddieb u jien personalment ma niflahx iktar ghalih ghax qeridini, hemm bzonn tammetti li intkom (kaccaturi) ma intkomx kapaci tosservaw il-ligi minghajr infurzar. Minkejja hafna stqarrijiet ta stmerrija w kundanni w oaroli fil-vojt inthom il-kaccaturi bqajtu tiksru il-ligi. Din mhux l-ewwel darba. Anke ahna bhala socjeta tqazzisna bl-ghemili tghakom. Dartartuh pajjiz. Tal misthija li hemm bzonn li jigu il-barranin ma saqajna biex nirrangaw ftit il-mentalita tan-nejk taghna.
Michael Vella
Apr 28th 2010, 18:01
@ Joseph Desira
Firstly, i suggest you take stop taking this attitude that hunting is YOUR right. Who put this into your head? The FKNK or some other hunters' organisation? How utterly ridiculous!
Secondly, i have no doubt that the people arrested are nice people, however, as nice as they are, they were breaking the law. The FKNK asked hunters not to apply for a special hunting licence and YOU hunters are suffering the consequences of this. IF these two 'nice guys' wanted to hunt, they should have applied for their licence, not taken the law into their own hands. As a result they have been arrested and will suffer the consequences of their actions. Hunting without a necessary licence is POACHING, just as shooting at protected birds is POACHING!
Finally, i don't assume that people commenting, including myself, are angels, far from it. However, the one thing this government did give us is the freedom to speak our minds without fear of persecution. I haven't heard anything coming from Joseph Muscat about hunting, maybe it's about time that Mr. Muscat plucks up the courage to inform the voting public what his views are on the matter.
D. Psaila
Apr 28th 2010, 16:02
CABS, thanks for your work that you are doing out of your country. If people come here in defence of animals and defenceless creatures, i would allow all foreigners in this country. We are allowing illegal immigrants, why not allow the foreigners who are trying to do something good. Note the word "ILLEGAL" - illegal hunting and poaching... If Maltese hunters and trappers who act illegally and cannot stop themselves because they are finger trigger happy, and the police and Government cannot stop them either, we definitely need foreigners to witness with their eyes what goes on on this little island. Let them report back to other countries that Malta is a wussy when it comes to taking stand against illegal hunters and poachers.
alan portelli
Apr 28th 2010, 15:41
don't you think that cabs are here because the maltese can't deal with this problem? they should stay actually... hunting is wrong because if some1 shoots u in the face u will surely won't enjoy it! so dont be all so maltese about it and try to be cool because u got a gun.. HUNTING SHOULD STOP! the hunters are lucky enough that you still have hunting seasons!
amifsud
Apr 28th 2010, 15:30
I am completely appalled by the actions of the hunters/poachers/(environmentalists?) but I think CABS are now pushing their luck, and are beginning to irritate even us antihunters. really, do the have nothing better to do back home, then come here and pick on us. They should have quit while they were ahead.....they made their point, raised awareness...now let the police and local lobby groups deal with it.
CABS...you're losing support amongst your supporters.
Nikki Nova
Apr 28th 2010, 15:28
Who cut 200 trees last night? Who is poaching? Who is building illegally? Who is dumping rubbish on the coast? Who chose to use the only in the world solution for the power plant? Who do not know how to drive/behave on the roads? Why the wardens do not give tickets because they are afraid of giving one to their neighbor, if they do, the next they their car will be scratched, dog poisoned etc. Who pollutes own country with lead which leads to disabilities in children? Who stores hazardous materials (power plant ashes) and then uses it for building purposes? Who shoots fireworks during the day causing newly born children disabilities from trauma? In which country there is more fireworks factories than bakeries?
Wake up Malta!
Without the help from outside you are doomed! Africans will ride on your backs as they will be earning more than you do! Maltese people - you need to get rich quickly! Stop polluting your country! Get the tourists in – as this is your only industry, there is nothing else… If the whole world is laughing at you or pointing fingers for barbaric/medieval practices no one is going to come here…
Clayton Camilleri
Apr 28th 2010, 15:25
AS IF. If hunting will be banned more and more of this scenes will be present. Who is going out poaching will still be out, open season or not. So no use in banning hunting like most of you experts say.
Sandro M
Apr 28th 2010, 15:24
Are we talking of the same country here - MALTA ?? Everyone keeps saying that Millions of birds fly over our country ??!?!?! where are they ??? I fail to understand where CABS & Birdlies get statistics???
& by the way. Please refrain from using Slaughter, Killing Fields...etc...etc... it si really pathetic
A.Attard
Apr 28th 2010, 17:24
You slaughter & you kill birds in fields yes that's exactly what you do & yes very pathetic not to mention dumb childish barbaric backward & ignorant ...obviously CABS are proving to be a pain for hunters ,I wonder why.
I just love the FKNK's zero tolerance imbasta tridu il garanziji.
Garanzija wahda hemm ,li daqsek ha tbiccru ghasafar ghax qazzistu kul m'hawn
Paul Grech
Apr 28th 2010, 15:19
I am no hunter and never have been, but these Germans are too much. Go away and go to Germany to find your poachers there. Belive me there are much more there. YOur problem is only that the land is too big. You come to Malta simply because the small island gives you an edge over poachers. It is even ambarasing our Police force. GO AWAY!
Patrick Gauci
Apr 28th 2010, 15:05
Go to yourrrrrrrrrrrrrrre coutrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry!!!!!!!!!!Getttttttttttttttttt Awwwwwwwway CABS. Nooooooooooooooooo, Noooooooooooooo, Noooooooooo to CABS and leave us quite in our island, we don't need foreigners to do our Police jobs.
Michael Vella
Apr 28th 2010, 15:16
Your comments leaves little doubt as to how well educated you are. If CABS are helping the police catch poachers than as a Maltese person i welcome them to our countryside. Put it this way, i'd rather have them running around our countryside than people like you.
Also may i remind you that just as hunters and their supporters use the EU referendum to defend hunting, these Brid Watchers have every right to be in Malta and to patrol the counryside. Same way as i have the right to travel to any country within the EU with no restrictions.
Adrian Cachia
Apr 28th 2010, 15:40
They are Bird watching and reporting illegalities. If i see an illegality I report it, where should I go? This is my country!
K vella
Apr 28th 2010, 15:49
Do you know how to read?
'CABS said it had been informed that two poachers were arrested by the police'
Keep it up CABS and well done for the police....
S Vella
Apr 28th 2010, 16:58
@ Adrian Cachia
Go to GonziPN but before you decide about the illegality check this out:
http://kaccaturi.com/eddie.html
b.busuttil
Apr 28th 2010, 15:00
Im against hunting.. but CABS should leave us alone! we already have too many foreign experts around...
Jesmond Micallef
Apr 28th 2010, 15:15
Foreign experts on the islands seems to suggest that the locals do not have the competence.
Therefore Maltese people can never oversee what foreigners do on their own home grounds. !!! Let us keep faithfull to the tradition of being subordinates, most especially to those who are still pretty Feudalistic culturally !!!
John Ebejer
Apr 28th 2010, 15:28
If you are against hunting, you won't be against a few puny observers doing the work that we Maltese should be doing.
Jamie Tanti
Apr 28th 2010, 14:42
Someone should give these people a medal (hint to the PM). They go out in distinctive wear to monitor the illegal movements of a subsection of our society which carries guns and which is more than willing to intimidate (watch the growing number of clips on YouTube) antone who stands in their way. I wouldn't have the guts to do it so the least we can do is say thanks and give them a medal. Hunters should only be allowed to hunt when they all start obeying the law ... hence, never.
Andre' Xerri
Apr 28th 2010, 16:13
I fully agree with your comment. These few people are here to enable us Maltese to someday enjoy our own countryside without haveing to be screamed at from hunters or trappers because you are scaring their prey away whilst in PUBLIC land! It is most obviouse that we have not been able to contain this problem because if you look at the past years one understands that we have failed considering the ammounts of poor creatures killed for FUN or because of a HOBBY! Come on i agree with people having a hobby but lets be seriouse hiking or palying a sport dosent annoy or hurt anyone unlike hunting which pollutes with lead noise and arrogance! Good work CABS and local Autorities and NGO'S for finally we are moving on, keep it up.
S Vella
Apr 28th 2010, 16:15
For this they deserve a medal!
DAWN IMOSSHOM JARAW IL GERMANIZI
QTIL TAL-INNOCENTI
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-frgermany.html
u dawn fl-EWROPA
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1869009.stm
Dylan Olliver
Apr 28th 2010, 14:36
I think the only solution is to ban hunting completely. I am quite sure the majority of the Maltese would be in favour. We are a civilised people and are against anything barbaric like hunting. People that enjoy killing just for the sake of it should be stopped.
D.Caruana
Apr 28th 2010, 15:12
What about fishing?
S Vella
Apr 28th 2010, 15:34
Why dont you go to Spain and make your wise suggestions there....isnt Bullfighting killing for fun and all the spectators applaud the massacre....
Forget banning hunting because more illegalities will arise...try to keep the promises given to hunters and trappers and all this farse will end, and tell the foreigners to go stick their noses in their business and let us deal with ours or arent our Police competent for the job?
If I was the commissioner of police i would be offended with these so called CABS running around giving instructions to my employees.
In Germany from an article I read recently about 1000 abortions take place every day and in Europe about 500 every hour...NOW THAT IS BARBARIC AND KILLING FOR THE SAKE OF IT!!
r curmi
Apr 28th 2010, 15:47
ban fishing too. Its equally as destructive as hunting but few are taking notice of it yet. The only fishing allowed should be jelly fishing
E. Azzopardi
Apr 28th 2010, 14:20
This was predicted beforehand because we have been there several times before. But there are those who never learn. I am sure that the EU will do something about all this and those who are dreaming of a three week hunting season next year better start dreaming of something else. The irony is that we could even be punished without a hunting season for obvious reasons!!!!!!
I hope that this is the final stage of this whole circus which is shaming our country. The vast majority are fed up of all this.
A. Borg
Apr 28th 2010, 14:17
That's why only a few hunters applied for the special licence. No need for a licence and wear a band to be recognised Better free and hidden!.
m micallef
Apr 28th 2010, 14:08
Cabs please stop this farse and go home! Germany is a very big country. Isn't there any wrong that should be righted in your country?! Please start your charity at home, and make sure that it ends there!!!
With regards to illegal shooting, i think the public would prefer a stricter monitoring against drug trafficking or reckless driving, just to start with!
Let's put first things first please.
lgalea
Apr 28th 2010, 14:06
Cabs, I am not hunter or trapper but I despise foreigners spying in MY country. Go back to your own country and mind your own business in your own country.
j.spiteri
Apr 28th 2010, 14:02
So, if the 500 heard shots are a killed bird per shot that should leave me with millions more in the sky. I am using the BL reasoning of a few years ago. Where are these birds to be seen? Please enlighten!
C Camilleri
Apr 29th 2010, 18:56
Exactly! Where is the famous bottle-neck? If what BL says is so true then we should be seeing hundreds of thousands of birds flying over. WHERE ARE THEY? I see homing pigeons and sparrows but no flocks of migrating birds. I can't understand where they get their statistics from
S VELLA
Apr 28th 2010, 14:00
Persons shooting turtle doves are not poachers in my opinion.They are decieved Maltese citizens because it is a matter of political decision that declares the season open or not. Until 3 years ago I use to go hunting for turtle doves and quail licences by the police, Today the same thing is called poaching. I do not break the law because I do not want to ruin my conduct and keep coming and going to court and spending my money on something which was promised to me by our politicians and due to their dishonesty it is now illegal.
what you saw this morning was organised crime at its best and I hope you have videos of these so called criminals so that you stop incriminating all hunters, What I see with your presence is intrusion in our affairs. Why dont you go back were you came from and see all the unborn children killed before given a chance to live and protect your children then pester us to pretend you are protecting birds! That is what I call organised crime at its best.
AHJAR JARAW IT TRAVU LI HEMM F'GHAJNEJHOM MILLI T-TIBNA F'GHAJN HADDIEHOR!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYgag85Rttk&feature=player_embedded
http://kaccaturi.com/eddie.html
joseph galea
Apr 28th 2010, 13:58
I am 100%+ against hunting and their lobby.
CABS are giving us undue negative publicity and why they have picked on Malta I can understand. Good, realtively safe payed holiday.
Are they present in Sicily and the south of Italy? Now that is a challenge. Take it and give us a break. You make the whole nation look like murderers. There are more good guys and dolls(including hunters) than not. We have enough fairy tale tellers of our own we do not need CABS to top the list. Please talk when you have the facts.
GO HOME and damage your contry's reputation. I suggest you spend some time in your train stations from Friday night to Sunday evening and use your cameras to catch the under-age kids drinking their heads off and getting into very graphic fights. You don't need binoculars, it happens at close range. Are your police everywhere, all the time??
I appeal to the hot-headed hunters to refrain from acts of vandalism and illegal shooting. Show these intruders, who treat everybody with skin a little darker than theirs as a second class citizen in their homeland, that we can deal with our problems.
joe the plumber
M.Bonnici
Apr 28th 2010, 13:53
What more proof do we need that hunters will defend illegal hunting & poachers at all costs,just look at the comments below.You all sound like your day out was cut short or ruined.
The FKNK forum is migrating to the Times it seems.
pcachia
Apr 28th 2010, 13:48
It is great to see the pressure mounting against FKNK, they have every right to observe and report, good job. There is absolutely no benefit gained from the slaughter of birds over the island as a hobby for the small and narrow minded.
i.cilia
Apr 28th 2010, 13:45
U no guys,,,they are not hunting these poor lot...
they are just protesting against the extension to the delimara power station...
this does not happen only in the south...
this morning i was woken up at around 6.30 by six shots fired in rapid succession... and this is in the north....
ghax dik il vilta eh.... they wake up everyone as well....
David Borg Cardona
Apr 28th 2010, 13:43
@ M. Delicata..
For your info.. I do live in the South.. and probably in the southern most part of the island if ti comes to that !! I will give you one example of what I am trying to say. On the first day of the open season i.e. 24th April, Insp. Miruzzi, head of the ALE, publicly delared it was a "surprisingly" quite day with no hunting incidents. Yet BLM said that and I quote verbatim "Gunshots heard by teams at all locations in the south".. And you think that we are all expected to always believe BLM.... Don't we all know of what slimey tactics they are capable of pullig out of their sleeve whenever they are cornered !!!
Richard Cachia Zammit
Apr 28th 2010, 14:16
@ Mr D Borg Cardona:
Even I live in the south, in Fgura to be exact. Not exactly open countryside but just the same, many times I hear shots in the morning coming from the area known as ‘Il-Foss’. I’m not talking about hundreds of shots, but up to 10 or so in the early hour before I go to work. Apart from that, I have read many comments posted on this web site from people living in the south and reporting hearing shots in the morning. So why shouldn’t we believe BLM and believe you?
m delicata
Apr 28th 2010, 15:42
Ma nafx jien imma sometimes I think that you hunters live in a planet far far away from this little island. Mr Borg Cardona,come to Benghajsa or even Adolorata Cemetary. Ask people in Paola whether they hear shots coming from the cemetary in the morning and afternoon. Go to Ghar Hasan and try to have a quiet walk. Go to St Peters Pool near Delimara or even Xorb l-ghagin. These are all places you get ongoing activity. Hold on .... I'm talking about poachers here not hunters because there is a difference, no?
M.Bonnici
Apr 28th 2010, 16:58
Araw x'qed jinkiteb ...Wied ta Pwales ma waqfux jisparaw mis seba ,ma nafx jien daw xhasbuna ..iridu kullhadd jemminhom u ihenn ghalijhom laqwa jaqbzu ghal min qed jikser il ligi u jigu jitmejlu min kollox u kulhadd.
Patrick Zahra
Apr 28th 2010, 17:36
Shots from the Addolorata Cemetery!!! Probabli dawk li hargu jivvutaw ghar- referendum qed imorru ghal- kacca issa!!
A.Attard
Apr 28th 2010, 13:39
So what was the hunter's pay back after it's ultimatum ?? we're all dying to find out.....open /closed season , hunters/ poachers, legal / illegal, protected /non protected,what's the difference hunters will defy everyone,everything & anything till the bitter end,they're that type of species.
D Attard
Apr 28th 2010, 13:36
@ Mr D Borg Cardona:
The facts speak for themselves. Maybe you should take a walk and see for yourselves this illegal crime at its prime. Defending what is unlawful will lead nowhere. So does sarcasm.
I agree with you that some are still in the'hide and seek' stage of maturity. However I find it far from funny.
Carmel Cilia
Apr 28th 2010, 13:34
Why do you still persist in attacking the hunters. Whjy not the people who drove them to this point. Yes I mean the last two prime ministers. They are the one3s responsible for what is happening. It was they who made written promiseswith amongst others the famous statement. Il-Kacca fir rebbiegha mhux talli tibqa kif inhi izda tmur ghall ahjar. Il P.N. ghamel minn kollox biex jidhol fl-E.U. u issa qieghed jithallas tan-nofs veritajiet u ghad gideb li qal. F,dan l-inkwardu ma nafx min hu il-hazin jekk hux il kaccatur jew il-politiku.
Il-Faust bieh ruhu ghaz -zoghzija waq li- il-P.N. bieh ruhu ghal-poter.
victor vella
Apr 28th 2010, 13:24
On one side I say that Birdlife is organising this foriegn interference ans these Germans should go home and yes let us deal with th ehunters, they are only coming here to cause an international incident should one of th ehunters lose his patience and hurt one of them.On the other hand I say this, dellimara is a sort of Peninsula with a limited number of roads out of the area tha police can catch the hunters withen minutes of closing off the area.
K Vella
Apr 28th 2010, 13:22
Marsaxlokk, Zejtun and Delimara point should be monitored regularly. Gun shots can be heard on a daily basis.
Apart from having squatters occupying public land to hunt the Lands department needs to show his muscle to control and give the public the access to enjoy this part of this island.
A. Borg
Apr 28th 2010, 14:21
Include Ta Garnaw limits of Sta.Lucia too. It was really disgraceful this morning! with all the shooting you could hear coming from that area.
David Borg Cardona
Apr 28th 2010, 13:20
@ John Ebejer..
Before you fire wild accusations like " close communication that these hunters have with members of the police force." I suggest you have ample evidence to substantiate such allegations. It has become the norm for the anti - hunting lobby to shoot (scuse the pun) allegations galore without ever having one inch of documented proof !!!
@ Axel Hirschfeld, Heinz Scwharze and David Conlin in absentia..
A bit of hide & seek won't do you any harm mind you.. it is healthy exercise after all... the only harm being done I'm afraid is to your already rock bottom reputation.. Wanna know why ??? The sackfuls of unfounded claims you try to shove into the public's faces and yet never come up with any evidence of sorts.. Ah my dear birdwatchers.. you are in the wrong business.. try CSI or NCIS .. you might even succeed !!!
m delicata
Apr 28th 2010, 13:29
David Borg Cardona - Unfounded claims??? Why don't you get your car and come over to the south Mr Borg Cardona and maybe try and see or hear for yourself.
H Wolf
Apr 28th 2010, 13:11
Seems the paper might be pro-FKNK as they allow the hunter faction to say as they wish but delete my post calling the hunters to task for their inability to follow the rule of law.
joe aquilina
Apr 28th 2010, 13:04
P.S. TO ADD TO THE PRESS RELEASE BY CABS.
Please also note that as this part of the island is the size of about 1/200 circa of the maltese islands, then if we had to multiply the 300 shots heard by 200, then this morning in Malta there were around 60,000 shots taken by illegal hunters.
CABS please just go back to your country and leave us all in peace!!!!
Ron Saliba
Apr 28th 2010, 16:04
kemm int bravu! Ara x ghandu x jaqsam...
M Farrugia
Apr 28th 2010, 13:03
CABS go home and mind your own business.
Antoine Grima
Apr 28th 2010, 12:50
After almost 2 weeks of hearing nothing , now we are being told that we are witnessing organised crime at its best . YEAH SURE . Why not pull the other one while at it ? Photos , videos , radios , mobiles etc etc . Just catch the law breakers and punish them , same as what happens all over the world and stop whyning about it cos we are sick and tired of hearing the same story . The conclusion is : Either the hunters are really clever and organised (Not like we are told to believe), or cabs and company are apsolutely useless like i am starting to believe , unless of coarse this is there tactics , meaning not catching anyone on purpose and sacrificing dozens of birds just to give bad publicity to the hunters and Malta
J.Agius
Apr 28th 2010, 12:43
Is Dellimara in Afghanistan? Are cabs the Americans? Interfereing in other countries! are the Police from Afghanistan?
Cabs go home let the Maltese deals with their own affairs!!We are small compere to your countries .So is our sins compere to yours!! Let the Police do the job without your intereferance.!!!Local Police can calm the irresponsible hunters down without your provocations!If one of the cabs is Italian go & stop the italian poachers who gass down
thousands of godfinches to sell to maltese trappers!!
J.Agius
H Wolf
Apr 28th 2010, 12:41
And hunters wonder why people don't trust them and they wonder why Malta will never be able to emply it's derogation for spring hunting. These people think they are Rambos and can do as they please, irrespective of the rule of law.
Regardless of WHAT you voted for, the fact is that currently Malta is not able to implement a spring hunting season. This was a test to see if the hunting faction could abide by bag limits. Hunters, you failed miserably.
The hunters here in Malta keep claiming that hunting is allowed in other EU countries...yes it is, but they follow the laws laid down even to the extent of policing their own members. What other EU country has had it's hunters BANNED from Egypt hunting trips because they could not follow the law?
Until you prove that Maltese hunters are willing to abide by the rule of law, turn in those that do not, and prove that you are not just children with big guns, you will NEVER have any respect from the rest of the populace.
Adrian Cachia
Apr 28th 2010, 12:49
Agreed!
Anthony Formosa
Apr 28th 2010, 13:06
Mr Wolf, Are you generalizing all hunters? if so then the other thousands who are respecting the law like myself should go out and respect the guarantee that we received. We have to understand that something which was legal for hundreds of years, suddenly it became illegal. There are many hunters who invested thousands to enjoy their past time during this season and suddenly they found that their hard earned spent money is useless.
For your information the hunting season is LEGALLY OPEN as in other EU countries.
H Wolf
Apr 28th 2010, 14:33
Mr. Formosa, I do not deny that there are many hunters that are abiding by the rule of law and they should all be applauded.
I do not deny that hunting was legal for hundreds of years. So was slavery, so was torture, so were many things that as mankind evovled we discovered they were not acceptable practice.
I am not against hunting, but we must do so in a sustainable manner and currently it is not being done so. The anti-hunting lobby has science on their side, with many reports and studies showing current methods are not sustainable. The hunting lobby has "It's my hobby and we've done it for hundreds of years". Which do you think the public more likely to heed? If you can show the studies showing that what you will do is sustainable and abide by the regulations to do so, I see no problem.
Regarding hunting in other countries, it is not for the species you are hunting. Please do not compare apples to oranges.
r sammut
Apr 28th 2010, 15:45
H. Wolf, in the same vein of argument, that of modern standards; abortion is good but hunting is definitely not!
Other countries hunt other species as well because they got choice. Even so quails (caught year round in Spain) and turtledove are still caught in great abundance in other European countries.
What? Irregularities do not occur in other countries? Are these other countries being invaded with proportional numbers of foreign antis per square kilometre of land? All vying to exterminate hunting cost what it cost?
H Wolf
Apr 28th 2010, 16:37
I never claimed that irregularities never occur in other countries, but other countries actively enforce and harsly punish poaching. I believe in Malta, the equivalent measure is a slap on the wrist?
Regardless of irregularities in other countries, does that mean we must allow them in ours? Two wrongs do not make a right.
Regarding abortion, I will not get into that discussion (fyi, I happen to be opposed to the majority of them and Malta should be 100% proud of its stance on that matter).
As to hunting year round in Spain, I don't know where you get your information as hunting is only allowed between October and February.
r sammut
Apr 28th 2010, 19:54
How naïve to bring in argument to ones liking then shy away of others’! Never heard about Spain’s quail shooting season… and probably also ignorant about the UK? Where shooting can be done round the clock the whole 365 days?
H Wolf
Apr 28th 2010, 22:54
Mr. Sammut, I will not get into abortion because that is another debate entirely and I'm sure even many hunters would not want to equate hunting to abortion.
Regarding Spain and even the UK, please link a website stating that they allow year round hunting on certain species. All the ones I've found state that it is only available from October to February. Proof, not word of mouth please.
http://www.gourmetfly.com/Jose.htm
http://www.marbellaguide.com/hunting-in-spain.html
I find the same comments on sites for the UK. The other thing that I found is that the majority of their populations of birds that are killed in autumn hunts are farm raised and released for hunting. If bags are so low in autumn, why cannot this be done here? It is the very definition of sustainable hunting. In fact it would probably increase bags so much that it would be a completely viable alternative for spring hunting and everyone could be happy.
J.Agius
Apr 28th 2010, 12:39
Is Dellimara in Afghanistan? Are cabs the Americans? Interfereing in other countries! are the Police from Afghanistan?
Cabs go home let the Maltese deals with their own affairs!!We are small compere to your countries .So is our sins compere to yours!! Let the Police do the job without your intereferance.!!!Local Police can calm the irresponsible hunters down without your provocations!
J.Agius
Mario Delicata
Apr 28th 2010, 12:46
And where have we seen the police calm these many irresponsible people Mr Agius? We all know that the local authorities are not taking this seriously including the government who is not enforcing laws in general in this country. Yes we need CABS and in 2010 we still need foreigners to stop this massacre. Thank you Birdlife and thank you CABS and all the volunteers who are risking their lives for us to keep on enjoying the countryside and God's creation.
H Wolf
Apr 28th 2010, 12:58
Maybe they would, if the Maltese could prove themselves capable of policing themselves. But this article shows how hopelessly inept they are about it.
MARK MIFSUD BONNICI
Apr 28th 2010, 12:34
Ah, So suddenly POACHERS become - HUNTERS!
obviously CABS cabs do not know the difference!
HOW COULD THE COMMITEE AGAINST BIRD SLAUGHTER EVER DIFFERENTIATE?
FOR THEM LEGAL HUNTING AND POACHING ARE ALWAYS SLAUGHTER.
HOPE THEY ENJOY PLAYING HIDE AND SEEK, AT LEAST IT MAKES THEIR STAY ENJOYABLE.
Adrian Cachia
Apr 28th 2010, 12:48
Hunters, Poachers...call them what you will but they're currently breaking the law.
Ramon Casha
Apr 28th 2010, 13:14
Poaching is generally defined as illegal hunting. so their statement is quite correct.
Carmelo aquilina
Apr 28th 2010, 13:40
these people do not have a licence to hunt in spring so they are poachers...if you can't bring yourself to condemn these illegal acts this then you are providing comfort and support from the sideline and if this doe snot turn you into an accomplice I don't know what will...
John Ebejer
Apr 28th 2010, 12:33
And then, people ask why we have foreign observers! Let the FKNK now come out condemning this statement! As if we don't know what's happening in our killing-fields! And to say nothing of the close communication that these hunters seem to have with members of the police force.
Adrian Cachia
Apr 28th 2010, 12:49
Don't wait too much....