Somali man accused of defiling young siblings

sean grima

Feb 22nd 2010, 12:46

i think your judgement is clouded: the vast majority of immigrants are from sub saharan africa, not from arabic states! x'ghandu x'jaqsam!

J. Grima

Feb 21st 2010, 10:16

@ Sean Grima

What conspiracy theory? Sorry to say but your judgement is quite clouded mate, I for one can see quite clearly why the European union is letting this massive influx of illegal immigrants invading our shores, and it is definitely not for the acceptance and respect of other cultures, more due to the political correctness and the business opportunities that lie within the Arabic states!

sean grima

Feb 18th 2010, 15:26

@mikiel sciberras: another conspiracy theorist: you should be writing the next sequel to the Da Vinci Code! Acceptance and respect of other cultures, without the need to try and find a 'supreme' culture is intrinsic to a modern education and mentality.

Mikiel Sciberras

Feb 17th 2010, 20:14

@D. Philips

From your writings it is evident that you have nothing but contempt for the Western culture that you have chosen to live amongst. Why are you still here, when virtual Islamic paradises are at your beck and call, places like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and a host of others? Or do you form part of the silent 'fifth column' that is surreptitiously being built in every country in the West to install your world Caliphate?

Just because Malta is a member of the EU does not make us blind to the fact that it is the EU itself that is issuing these 'multicultural' policies, and that the "Eurabia' agenda that has been in the works for decades.

But make no mistake; this will only last until ordinary European citizens finally wake up to the truth about their governments' secret machinations that have gone for too long behind their backs. And the slowly but surely Europeans are coming to their senses, then you will see which culture and values are superior. Europeans, as always will show their true mettle - do not mistaken Christian charity or compassion as a sign of weakness. For those who did, died to regret it.

J. Grima

Feb 17th 2010, 20:04

@ Charles Sammut

Spot on mate!

@ Julian Maddalo

Whilst you were pointing out to your fellow countrymen that he can not form a proper sentence in English (which mind you is not our only main language), you have failed to point out that Mr. Bartolo was actually being quite diplomatic, because if those two kids were mine, I'd send the lad somewhere quite nastier than Mogadishu.

Bill Khan

Feb 17th 2010, 18:23

As one irish friend often would say to me 'It is the demon drink knows no prejudice and effects all irrespective of colour of skin, culture or religion'.

It is alleged the Somali gentleman was drunk and exposed himself.

On this forum we are all exposing our prejudices without even touching a drop.

Mary Smith

Feb 17th 2010, 17:02

Why are our governments scouring the whole earth to find the most cunning, lazy, uneducated and supremacists peoples in the world and hoisting them unto their unsuspecting nations, to the detriment of their hard-working citizenry?

Why here in Toronto, these supposed ‘refugees’ arrive in their planefuls and come straight to the Welfare Office, conveniently located near the airport, with their luggage still in hand. Obviously they are being directed on how to work the system and this is being done with the blessings of the Authorities. A newly arrived 'refugee' is entitled to $28, 900 per annum plus extras such as vitamins, housing and medicine, even a young man in the prime of youth. For the most part these continue to extract welfare and earn undeclared income.

On the other hand, our own pensioners who have worked hard for 30-40 years building up this country are only entitled to receive the maximum government pension of approximately $18,500 per year, well below poverty, so that many cannot afford to keep their homes or buy adequate food and other necessities. Is this fair?

I see that Malta has been entrapped in this worldwide conspiracy too.

Mary Smith

Feb 17th 2010, 17:01

Why are our governments scouring the whole earth to find the most cunning, lazy, uneducated and supremacists’ peoples in the world and hoisting them unto their unsuspecting nations, to the detriment of their hard-working citizenry?

Why here in Toronto, these supposed ‘refugees’ arrive in their planefuls and come straight to the Welfare Office, conveniently located near the airport, with their luggage still in hand. Obviously they are being directed on how to work the system and this is being done with the blessings of the Authorities. A newly arrived 'refugee' is entitled to $28, 900 per annum plus extras such as vitamins, housing and medicine, even a young man in the prime of youth. For the most part these continue to extract welfare and earn undeclared income.

On the other hand, our own pensioners who have worked hard for 30-40 years building up this country are only entitled to receive the maximum government pension of approximately $18,500 per year, well below poverty, so that many cannot afford to keep their homes or buy adequate food and other necessities. Is this fair?

I see that Malta has been entrapped in this worldwide conspiracy too.

gaffarena joseph

Feb 17th 2010, 16:41

Re Joseph Psaila
As far as I, know all these people are coming from libja, so yes they are all illegal immigrants.I,
never heard from the news that these are coming direct from somalia or nigeria.About that white card, yes I, am more than sure about that..It is a shame that these ILLEGALS ,have this white card.
Last, I, have to tell you,that we are having a big problem with them,and it will be better for us to see them packing and leave us in peace.

kenneth bartolo

Feb 17th 2010, 12:56

dear all ,
illegal not illegal i beleive that help must be a one priority but to spoli them with our sensible christianity/generosity act or give them the right to do what their mind is telling them to do whatsoever this is not making any sense. they have the right to complain and take actions for their own sake but at least somebody have to teach them that they are FOREIGNERS just REFUGEES not to build life on other's land . like when you have a thorn in your hand and is hurting some day or another you need to take action or else you just get infected IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN ! . they need help surely and apart from this they need to be expained how to act in a normal way respecting the others around whom they suffered a lot building what they own. immagine the boathouses in ramla,bahar ic-chaq or mellieha they took land illegally , the authorities are giving them hard time instead of finding a solution so why we have to treat a foreigner differently ? they really need help and may god keep us away from what they are going trough.

R. Cassar

Feb 17th 2010, 12:10

You people are utterly ridiculous.
African man accused of defiling children you all comment and attack him when you dont even know if its true or not yet.
White MALTESE MAN defiles four children absolutely nothing.
What a joke,

sean grima

Feb 17th 2010, 11:28

i do not see why it bothers you that someone coming from a country afflicted by war, disease, malnutrition etc comes to malta and manges to find a better life. mela if they work you complain they are taking our jobs, and if they don't complain that they are lazing about. you complain becuase they buy cars, mobiles and clothes - aren't they human beings like us who need to communicate, drive and wear clothes? or do you think they should only live in rags, walk everywhere and not communicate with their families or friends?

Joseph Schembri

Feb 17th 2010, 10:42

Shaun Camilleri: No one touched the brother and sister in question! Nobody molested them or did anything to them! Stop being hysterical please.

Read what happened - a man urinated in public (public means any place that is accessible to people i.e. not a loo). Have you never done this yourself? Have you never been to a village feast, a mass meeting, or a 'religious' village feast and seen hordes of people urinating in public and having had to mind the puddles?

This man did nothing extraordinary. In an ideal world nobody would urinate, spit or utter obscenities in public. But people do these unsavoury things a million times each day in our little country. In my opinion I'd rather my son see another man urinate in public than let him hear the horrendous obscenities shouted out wherever you go in Malta.

I have no hang ups about the human body and its natural functions.

Joseph Psaila

Feb 17th 2010, 08:36

@gaffarena joseph: please get your facts right. if the immigrant in question was an "illegal" as you so put it, he would not have the said white card with which he could get medicine. most of the immigrants in Malta are not in fact illegal.

John Azzopardi

Feb 17th 2010, 00:56

Sean Grima, stop being naive. Also, kemm qeghdin sewwa. Everything for free. And we are also suppose to give them a lawyer for free. they are really taking us for a ride now and they know how to manuever the system. I say enough already.

Shaun Camilleri

Feb 16th 2010, 19:49

To Joseph Schembri. Are you saying that we would give our children to be molested in the person was blond? Why do people like you always have to find some excuse for what foreigners do to us or our children? People complain because they are fed up and, they have a reason to. Because people like you and the authorities jump on those who dare open their mouths. We love our children and no one can touch them! Even if they happen to be blond.

n.camilleri

Feb 16th 2010, 19:41

Welcome to the new version of the EU. Could it be that Malta had joined Afrikana by mistake instead of the Ewropa.

gaffarena joseph

Feb 16th 2010, 17:11

There were more like this case, but remained in the shadow of darkness.We are seeing illegals in every part of Malta now,and taking all kind of jobs, that belong to us.I, saw with my own eyes a driver with the public transport..Already a good number of them,have a car,and I, wonder if the govt,will still pump money to these owners.I, am more than sure that some of them are living more a comfortable life than some maltese citizens.Recently while waiting in line for hours to get
my medicines an illegal came with a white card in his hand,and was told by the security to go straight for his medicines.I, thought it was an urgent case, but the security told me that these illegals have priority .I, protested to this ,and told the security to let me in, because by right it was my turn.
Will you beleave that we are facing all these problems.Do you beleave that in no time we will be a second class citizens.

Joseph Schembri

Feb 16th 2010, 16:04

Reuben Chircop St John: Do you think people in Somalia wait in line in a queue to go to the ladies and the gent's after devouring some 'happy meal'? This poor man was drunk as some or many of us have been at some point in our life. He urinated in public which is wrong in our culture but it is one of the mildest and most harmless things that people do when they are drunk.

I suspect that the 'shocked parents' would not have been so perturbed had it been a drunken blond sailor doing the same thing.

Somalis are not used to alcohol - they barely get enough to eat let alone to buy alcohol so a couple of beers could have rendered this man senseless. Accuse him of being drunk, disorderly and unhygienic but don't make a child molester out of this poor man please!

Th other day I complimented a Somali on his white teeth and I asked him about dental care in Somalia. I asked him whether he was afraid of dentists. What dentists? he asked me.They pull out your teeth in the street with no anesthetic in my country!

sean grima

Feb 16th 2010, 15:51

we pride ourselves on having much better standards and values than somalia, so we cannot treat him in the same way as he would be treated there.

J Schembri

Feb 16th 2010, 15:29

Another case of the mass hysteria gripping the nation as when it comes to child abuse. For heaven's sake the man was inebriated and decided to relieve himself against some lamp post and two kids saw him. It is NOT traumatic for a child of whatever age to see a man or a woman urinating! What is traumatic is the hullabaloo that the police and their parents are creating. The children will also have to testify in court.

If you really loved the children leave them out of it and change the charges. He can be charged for being drunk and for urinating in public. Not because of any immorality but because it is dirty and unhygienic just like spitting or smoking are!

Remember guys - next time it could happen to you as happened to this American guy here: http://malta-exposed.blogspot.com/2010/02/taking-leak.html It is a photocopy of the story written in the times. Only that it happened in another continent.

michael scicluna

Feb 16th 2010, 15:18

@ rennee bell
maltese are capable, but i dont want to have to put up with unwanted guests doning it. if your own son came in drunk to your home you will obviously take care of him but if i openend the door and came in(unwanted guest) would you do the same or throw me out!??

E Cassar

Feb 16th 2010, 11:18

What do graffiti have to say about this?
If I was in charge I would put all Illegal Immigrants (given refugee status) on probation for 2 years, if proven guilty of any crime within their probation period - I'd send them back.
Disgrace.

sean grima

Feb 16th 2010, 08:30

1. he is innocent until proven guilty.

2. each case should be tackled on its own merits by impartial judges/magistrates who know how to interpret laws. the refugee laws provide for deporation of asylum seekers if they are convicted of a serious crime and constitute a serious danger to the community.

Ramon Casha

Feb 16th 2010, 05:03

Given that Maltese law does not properly define what "defile" means, and considering the other accusations (exposed himself in public while drunk), one must consider the possibility that the "defiling" part merely meant that he drank himself silly and then relieved himself in public somewhere, where he was seen by the youngsters. Still wrong, but not necessarily as wrong as various other possible definitions of "defiling". Since one of the children was 10 years old, if there had been any sexual contact of any kind, I have no doubt that the other, more serious law would have been invoked, which treats such matters as aggravated rape.

Vic Bugeja

Feb 16th 2010, 00:07

Julian Maddalo you are so far up yourself you must be choking. You must be a very insecure person that you have to 'put down' someone, Kenneth Bartolo, to make yourself feel better. Stick to the argument at hand and yes I think he should be sent back. When a Country accepts a refugee the least we should expect of him is to obey the law.

Andrea Portelli

Feb 15th 2010, 22:33

Is graffiti going to hold a protest against this act


.....or not because he is black?

michael barbara

Feb 15th 2010, 19:30

i fully agree with kennet bartolo. well done for your comments!

Chester Barnes

Feb 15th 2010, 19:26

Whatever happened to presumed innocent until found guilty? If he is found guilty of course, flogging is too good for him.

Jeremy Grixti

Feb 15th 2010, 19:02

These cases should never, ever be justified, whether you are black or white. But the fact that an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT is the aggressor makes me even more furious. Some may call me racist, but I don’t care!!! What I care about is my country and in this case those poor innocent siblings.

Certain crime has shot up in the past few years. The question is; What is the government doing about all this???..........

John Portelli

Feb 15th 2010, 18:57

Seriously, everyday we here illegal immigarnts committing crimes. We had enough as citizens. It's enough we have to deal with Maltese criminals. Let alone with illegal immigrants crime. And on top of that we have a backlog of 6-10 years in our criminal justice system. I think that as a Maltese along with the majority of the Maltese and Gozitan people, we have had enough. Seriously.

George Vella

Feb 15th 2010, 18:34

This is what the residents of Birzebbuga has to go through, we can't even keep our children safe anymore.
They are cousing to much trouble every day at Wied il-Buni, fighting steeling from shops. they get drunk and then God help anyone who happens to be walking by.

T. Pace

Feb 15th 2010, 18:24

@ N. Borg.

No, he will definitely not be sent back. Umpteen NGOs or NBTDs (Nothing Better To Do s) will step forward in his defence with tales how he shall suffer discrimination, hardship, perils and so on and so forth.

r curmi

Feb 15th 2010, 17:52

where are Graffiti now? let them come shouting to free this pheadophile. Throw him in jail until the first plane to some neighbouring country with somali and drop him there. Look what these illegals are doing to our country

Joseph Calleja

Feb 15th 2010, 17:21

This is where it all stops. If it's true this man violated these two Maltese children the government must weigh the outcome of illegal immigration. For those of you sympathizing with illegal immigration why not talk to the parents of these two kids and see how they feel? I can understand a protest for freedom but defiling children is completely out. Imsieken tfal. Defiling of children should be dealt with accordingly.
No adult, of any race should be allowed to defile innocent children.
Children must be protected at any cost.

Denis Catania

Feb 15th 2010, 16:25

If guilty he should be deprted after he serves his time.

lgalea

Feb 15th 2010, 16:09

What the majority of Maltese citizens want to know is whether he will be sent back to his own country once he serves his sentence. We do not need such sex maniacs in Malta.

Reuben Chircop St John

Feb 15th 2010, 15:37

Act now before it's too late ... what if someone else had to do the same in his country ???

sean grima

Feb 15th 2010, 15:26

1. he is "only" being accused and has not been proved guilty.
2. if he is, he will receive the same punishment as a maltese citizen should for that crime, and deported if he satisifies the conditions imposed by refugee law, namely that:

a) he constitutes a danger to the security of the country;
or,
b) he is convicted of a serious crime and constitutes a serious danger to the community.

Of course, this would be evaluated properly aby a judge/magistrate, not by lay commentators.

Deo Catania

Feb 15th 2010, 15:02

Issa jigu nofs tuzzana NGOs bhala difiza. Hemm bzonn nohorgu kontrihom dawn l-immigranti illegali (sean grima jghid li m'humiex illegali!!!!), m'ghandniex x'nanbuhom hawn, hela ta' flus u rizorsi, jaqalaw l-inkwiet, jehdulna x-xoghol, pajjiz qed jirrovinawhulna. Grazzi lil kul min jappogahom.

Joseph Schembri

Feb 15th 2010, 15:01

Guys what the legal jargon probably means is that he was drunk and decided to urinate in public and two kids saw him. Let's not be irrational.

mario pandolfino

Feb 15th 2010, 14:54

Il grazzi talli qed nilqawhom u nospitawhom.

Charles Sammut

Feb 15th 2010, 14:45

I have not read any reports yet about a bar in B'bugia which was destroyed and its owners injured by some of our resident uninvited guests.

Birzebbugia and Marsa are bearing the brunt of this invasion with huge open centres located close to both towns. This is not fair. The joys of diversity should be spread over the island. Sliema, for example is seriously lacking in this respect. An open center for a few hundred immigrants in that area would strengthen Sliema society no end. And tourists from the UK, especially those coming from cities like Leicester, Bradford, Manchester and Sheffield would feel right at home.

It would also justify the money spent on the "Strength in Diversity" campaign. The government should practise what it preaches.

D Phillips

Feb 15th 2010, 14:21

N. Borg - Accused. i.e Innocent until proven otherwise. Kenneth Bartolo - Wonderful sentiments. If no Maltese or european ever commited any crimes your argument would be a sensible one.

Julian Maddalo

Feb 15th 2010, 14:19

There is no need to send him back to Somalia, where he probably won't live too long. We have a legal and judicial system to handle these incidents, and he should be prosecuted and tried according to law just like anyone else. I wonder if he can afford a lawyer, to even instil a possible doubt in his automatic guilty verdict by experts like Kenneth Bartolo and N. Borg. Kenneth Bartolo, by the way, if you can't even string a coherent sentence in English I wonder what superior culture you think you form part of.

louise vella

Feb 15th 2010, 14:14

Send him back to Mogadishu, before the situation escalates to what we're seeing happening in Milan and other places where illegal immigrants congregate. But before the NGOs who promote the rights of illegal immigrants should be asked to explain.

re bel

Feb 15th 2010, 14:10

@ kenneth bartolo so you think maltese are not capable of doing this?

Joe Fenech

Feb 15th 2010, 14:06

Wow, now that's a REAL surprise! I'm sure it surprises a lot of our pro-immigration too!

Malcolm Fenech

Feb 15th 2010, 14:04

@N. Borg Do you really think there's a chance of that happening? Wishfull thinking my friend. Would any of the usual do-gooders please tell me what would happen to him if he had committed this horrible crime in his own country?

Antoine Spiteri

Feb 15th 2010, 14:03

@ N.Borg I hope even more!!

kenneth bartolo

Feb 15th 2010, 13:59

i would like to say that this is more than enough . it is slipping from the authorities hands now . look at what had happened yesterday in italy all those illegal imigrants that came out fighting in the streets , look at what we had been trough in our country especially last month accident when four illegal imigrants had a car accident and ran off the site. as well one of the south african leader (not to mention his name) told his people to go out from libya and get married in europe to have freedom .why is that so they can make any revolution from time to time ? they are turning people with different culture to beleive in their culture and make them fight for their rights. com on are we blind ? as christians we have to help whom does need to be helped but instead we are being abused. these people have nothing to loose no property no dignity they just want to make revenge on whom worked hard for what he owns . there is a big caos among italian authorities check the news and see with your eyes.

N. Borg

Feb 15th 2010, 13:55

I hope he is going to be sent back to where he came from!!