Updated: Farmer injured, Libyan beaten in Kirkop incident

Raymond Cachia

Feb 4th 2010, 13:19

@A. Dalli

And what race are Libyans? It has a lot more to do with cultural and ethnic differences and a different sense of values!

Humans are the same but their cultures aren't. Take collectively; this creates their ethnic or national identity. The much maligned and political incorrect "stereotype" of any particular people is actually based on truth. Now whether you admire or hate a stereotype or culture is a different story. But it surely is not Racism.

Paul Camilleri

Feb 4th 2010, 11:33

I have only one question, and I wish to be answered.



Where is Moviment Graffitti???

n gauci

Feb 3rd 2010, 17:34

Malta is a safe country. As a result, the Maltese people go around unarmed and unprepared for fights. We limit ourselves to maybe send each other here and there and that's it.

On the other hand, people from troubled countries are very used to carrying knives and other weapons. In fact this man took a blade with him before escaping. Once the farmer spoke to him, he immediately resorted to the weapon and attacked, injuring the Maltese. Had the other maltese not been prompt to defend the farmer who knows what would have happened.

bottom line, if we do not take care of our selves properly by detaining these people properly, we may be overwhelmed by violence like in France and UK and may have to resort to 'seemingly racist' mesaures. But then it will probably be too late.

Monica vella

Feb 3rd 2010, 16:42

These people are violent. We must protect our own. The farmer had every right to protect himself and his property. The moment their visas were found to have expired they should have been put on the next plane to Libya.No waiting, just get them off this island.

Brian Farrugia

Feb 3rd 2010, 14:16

@a.dali

Where is the racism and vile language?

Common sense and decency is what you see here.People like you are obsessed with racism which is a weapon that only Europeans have used against them.

bajada s

Feb 3rd 2010, 13:31

mr joe xuereb,

we are not using politics here and if you are accepting and stating that this is not a normal time from malta and we have to adapt to it why dont you leave your house door open so to hospitalise these type of people.

ray sacco

Feb 3rd 2010, 12:59

what surprises me is that libyan citizens are kept with other refgees in the safi detention camp! ther is no war to run away from in libya. there is no poverty like other african nations. there is no anarchy like in somalia. so what were they running away from? are they wanted in their country? i understand the misery that immigrants escape from in countries like somalia, sudan, etc, but libya!!!!!!!!!!????????? giving asylum to refugees is one thing but to criminals is another!

Etienne Grech

Feb 3rd 2010, 12:49

ara vera qedin tajjeb awn malta...mela dawn qedin awn malta jghixu min fuq darna sewwa...harbu....dahlu f'hwejjeg hadd iehor u min fuq attakawh...mur amel ekk pajjizom kieku jaqtawlek idejk barra...mux ekk nkun qied al kwiet go hwejgi u jigu dawn u iqattawli wicci...issa dan alla jbirek qied malta allavolja skaditlu il visa...xqedin nistennew biex nibatuh lura..flights al libya awn...malta tal maltin jien ma mmurx il libya u namel dal kummidji ax kieku il habs qied u diga armew ic cavetta

a.dalli

Feb 3rd 2010, 12:31

To all. I for one is not suggesting or contemplating any sunction and for the record do not condone what these two Libyans have done to a fellow countryman, for there remain more than 6 million good and law abiding Libyans. There is no harm in a healthy exchange, but racisim and vile language should never come into play.

Joe Xuereb

Feb 3rd 2010, 11:29

What amazes and concerns and disappointed and disturbs me is that some commentators here - you know who you are with your blatant contradictions - are, I presume, adults and as such, have the right to vote in an election, and exercise that right come the time. Clamouring for the right to vote is all very well. But the responsibility to learn how to think rests with the voter. I will not let you off the hook. Get a life and do something to protect yourself and your country via reasoned thinking. Nothing dangerously nationalistic. Just good old commonsense. In some parts rather thin on the ground it seems.
In normal circumstances the nationality of a criminal is indeed irrelevant. As true enough, any country has its own breed of felons. But - think about it - these are not normal times in Malta. There are many who give a damn for their country and they need to be informed with specifics to be able to argue their point with the numerous do-gooders and their dubious, very dubious, agendas. Having the right information means one will not allow oneself to be dragged down and besmirched by the enemy within.

Brian Farrugia

Feb 3rd 2010, 11:24

@Martin Frendo

The reporting of the nationalities are of real importance.How about housing these illegals in the North of Malta.I am sure there would be a quicker route to the airport and back to Libya if they were.But no, dump them in the south and let the southerners live in danger.

A. Falzon

Feb 3rd 2010, 11:22

I fully agree with Mr. Alfred Mallia. Maltese working in Libya have visas and observe the law. Am sure of that. Libyans or what ever nationality are wellcome to MALTA as long as they observe our laws and traditions.

G. Attard

Feb 3rd 2010, 09:35

Why does the report say that the Maltese men 'assaulted' the Libyan man? Weren't they protecting the farmer who was slashed by a blade? It's hardly assault when you're protecting someone.

Alfred Mallia

Feb 3rd 2010, 09:31

My congratulations goes to the fellow maltese citizens who came to the rescue of the farmer. They make me real proud that they are like me, a true maltese citizen who will do anything to help my fellow countrymen against any foreign aggression against our interests. But I will also ask our incompetent authorities: what are you doing to safeguard the maltese people from foreign aggressors in our midst. Let this be a warning. We will not accept - we will never accept a situation where maltese citizens are the victims of criminal foreigners in our midst, be they illegal immigrants, or overstaying their visa. Do your duties to the letter. Dont let the maltese people take matters into their hands when we see these guardians of law and order doing nothing to save our bacon.

Kathy Elliot

Feb 3rd 2010, 09:28

Humph. I look at the Australian border features on tv and wonder; It's not racism there, it's protection, but if we do it, its racism. Why the double standards? Why are we not allowed to protect ourselves? And I don't only speak of the native Maltese; people who have come here for shelter from war and atrocity should be in danger when these types are left in the country when they should have been removed.

J. Grima

Feb 3rd 2010, 09:20

Whilst this is a crime like any other, as in it could have been a Maltese person who did it, they still must be convicted and deported due to their illegal status here in our tiny island!!

And what sickens me most is that I do not see any spokesperson from any NGO standing up for us Maltese who are suffering due to these uncivilised people running around illegaly! So much for the saying that charity begins at home....

bajada s

Feb 3rd 2010, 08:50

we are much more aware how we are and had suffered to build what we have that is why we care for our dignity so it was only A PROTECTTIVE act for his property and not because it was a razist action. ask your self if you was in his position or else if some one dares why DONT YOU OPEN YOUR DOORS AND LEAVE IT OPEN FOR EVERYONE SO THEY CAN COMETO YOUR HOUSE WHENEVER THEY WANT TO .

bajada s

Feb 3rd 2010, 08:49

it does not make any difference here. we are speaking about a man working in his own property and an intruder came and attempted to kill him . it is a criminal act and they have to pay . if some one will ook at them as a MISKIN. that is not fair when mentioning from where they are coming. their country is full of resources especially oil so avoid to called them as MSIEKEN. secondly if you are in thier country and your visa expires god knows only how hard time you can encounter. i had seen maltese crying and passports threw to their faces without explanation and lost flights so dont say anymore ok. our authorities will hold you from not to leave if you dont have your visa as it should be so why they have to be treated different?.JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE NOTHING TO LOOSE AND IN A DESPERATE SITUATION THEY CAN GO TROUGH EVERYTHING.

Kenneth Cassar

Feb 3rd 2010, 07:34

@ Denis Catania:

"I commend the Maltese who came to the rescue of their fellow Maltese".

Nationality should not be a determining factor in such cases. I commend anyone who comes to the rescue of anyone who is violently assaulted.

Ryan Sammut

Feb 3rd 2010, 02:00

Well said Joe Muscat....
The nationality is irrelevant here, they were given home here...took advantage of our kindness by trying to escape and prolonging their stay...and even hurting one of our own citizens.

If it was we who were in Libya and did such a crime, they would cut a hand or something similar, so why should we be afraid of discussing these things?

Martin Frendo

Feb 2nd 2010, 22:50

The media can be more prudent- not that it shouldnt report such incidents , that after all they are deplorable,yet one has to see the issue in its whole context., and one didnt need to specify the nationality of the perpetrators , they could have easily written illegal immigrants. I strongly believe that ethics should prevail. keeping in mind the our sovreignand neutral status . one should shed his/her insular island mentality and wake up to the our neighbours' realities .

Joe Xuereb

Feb 2nd 2010, 21:19

@ Dalli. You think it's find to hold yourself to ransom. Count me out.

Ms Doughty. Over the last few days I had an ongoing dialogue with what I can only think is a second or third former who can write some English. He called me racist, etc. and that I should show tolerance and compassion. He also claimed that immigrants to Malta are not a problem as eventually they will intermarry with the Maltese and integrate, and inherit Maltese culture. Over the coming decades naturally. At this rate, here is not much to inherit in that department now, never mind in the long-term future, with US desecrating what we do have left, thanks to the compassionate tolerant -do-gooders and the Dallis of this tiny isle - ONCE COVETED BUT NOW NOT EVEN THAT OTHER THAN AS A DOWNTRODDEN FILTHY STEPPING-STONE TO GREENER PASTURES AND THE ABUSE OF LONG FOUGHT-FOR EUROPEAN FREEDOMS AND VALUES AND BENEFITS - over the coming decades naturally. Who teaches the young these things? I did not know whether to laugh or weep.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20100123/letters/maltas-duty-to-control-its-borders - words fail me.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20100127/world-news/sarkozy-talks-tough-about-migration - words fail me. How can anyone luxuriate so in their own, let's call it stupidity.

lgalea

Feb 2nd 2010, 20:48

a.dalli
The postings are not meant against the Libyan people but against criminals whether they are Libyan or of whatever nationality.
All criminals should be expelled back to their own countries.
We have enough of our own.

Jimmy Magro

Feb 2nd 2010, 20:12

The whole issue is quite different.

The attack on a Maltese citizen happened through a general failure in our security strategy. I do not like to mince words but we, the taxpayers, cannot allow to see our authorities praising each other like a love story.

Under these conditions Malta will soon become a failed state and we will have tourists becoming afraid to come to Malta; investors will be afraid to come to Malta and so on.

We need to take security more seriously and defend our rights,as taxpayers, to live in a secure environment. It is quite evident that any persons, blonde or black, that do not have any means to maintain himself/herself will resort to criminal activities.

joe Muscat

Feb 2nd 2010, 20:08

@ A. Dalli
Why? Because we should be afraid of a reaction in Libya ? Two libyans over stayed here illegally. They escaped, trespassed and slashed a farmer.....and we should be afraid of speaking out to defend one of us? You are calling Libyans uncivilised by your comments. Their nationality is not important...They acted in a criminal manner and got what they deserved. They should be deported immediately. Sad will be the day when we should be so cowardly we cannt comment on our own newspapers....

a.dalli

Feb 2nd 2010, 19:23

For all. You do not realize the damage that you are making with respect to Malta - Libya relations. Libyans are no fools and they read everything including your trash. You do not even consider the fact that there are a number of Maltese earning their living in Libya and dare say that your foolishness may affect livelihood.

anthea doughty

Feb 2nd 2010, 18:56

This whole ugly incident could and should have been avoided. Once arrested/detained for having over-stayed they should have been escorted on the next flight out back to Libya. Why on earth are you hanging around? Shut your borders, defend them with all your might, your right to protect your country, your people and your lifestyle and start cleaning up the ones you have already been forced and/or stupid enough to take....... I love Malta & Gozo and this is so sad. Honestly, a farmer working in all innocence on his land should not have to suddenly encounter two desperate and obviously violent armed criminal illegal immigrants and be attacked!!!!!! Wake up Maltese government, like your people have been begging you to do for months. Time for you to stop begging & start demanding.....

PS any do gooders who want to respond to me by saying oh but think about these poor people and their plight - it is too rude to print here what my response would be - lets leave my comment like this - the indigenous people of Malta have a right to be safe and protected in their own land and be free from illegal invasion.

Malcolm Farrugia

Feb 2nd 2010, 18:53

@victor pulis,
So it will be the Libyans that will pay for the repatriation expenses, and to avoid any diplomatic red tape the Libyans are well known for!
If it was for me I would have them thrown out yesterday, but knowing how beurocracy works with such countries better late than never.

Denis Catania

Feb 2nd 2010, 18:42

I commend the Maltese who came to the rescue of their fellow Maltese. This incident could have been prevented if they were deported to Libya. The injured Maltese should sue the government. Even if at the end of the day the tax payers have to pay. Again I commend those Maltese who chose to protect their own.

victor pulis

Feb 2nd 2010, 18:36

@Malcolm Farrugia
Why wait that long?!

Paul Barrett

Feb 2nd 2010, 18:31

Well if nothing else, they have achieved their aim of not being deported for some time as they now face not only escape from detention but also GBH charges, presumably they already faced charges for over-staying their visa in the first place.

Malcolm Farrugia

Feb 2nd 2010, 18:19

When Gheddafi comes to Malta later this year,send them back to Libya on his plane

John Azzopardi

Feb 2nd 2010, 18:12

Deport them immediately. We do not need more criminals than we should have.

D.Abdilla

Feb 2nd 2010, 18:04

And why not send them back to Libya asap?

A. Borg

Feb 2nd 2010, 18:04

To the Gallows.