Gonzi denies keeping Joe Borg in the dark

Jeremy J Camilleri

Dec 4th 2009, 09:58

M Gauci....All this drivel about me saying that a nation is ruined because a commissionar has been change is a figment of your somewhat wild imagination.

However, for your sake, and because I have limitless ammounts of time and patience, and a modicum of decency, I shall onc again, for your benefir, point out the issue here....mohhok hemm imma issa ta...

The issue here is that one or the other lied, fibbed, told an untruth etc etc.....Now who would that be? Your answer, millenia ago, that BOTH are telling the truth is ludicrous..

Regarding races and the like, its called a metaphor, look it up...its under M in a dictionary....

Jeremy J Camilleri

Dec 3rd 2009, 21:03

Who said this ruined a nation? You must be talking to another chap...jew qed tehwden int...

Regarding your answer...not really an answer..I guess anyone can see that...a simple Borg is lying, OR Gonzi is lieing would have sufficed...

Regarding race....Pity you couldn t even get that metaphor...

M.Gauci

Dec 3rd 2009, 16:29

The prime minister is representating a nation - so far so good, jeremy, and so how does this decision for change ruin the nation? Still can't figure out what your issue with this. Maybe just had a bad day?

I believe I have answered you about who is saying what (between Borg / Gonzi) mails ago. But I think it was written for a moderate level of intellect and therefore did not register.

Thanks for the amusement.
Oh the race, sorry about that, was going to forget that - what race? Qed tewden Camilleri :)
Go figure who's mixing lettuce.

Next?

Jeremy J Camilleri

Dec 3rd 2009, 15:44

The Prime MInister is representing the nation....so every decision taken is a national one, and done for the national good rather than the party welfare...easy.

No where did I say that I foresee doom and gloom with Dalli's appointment...you must have been dreaming.

Actually, I don't really have a problem with John Dalli,however, the point remains, Dr. Borg accused Dr Gonzi of lying.

Dr Gonzi has now accused Dr. Borg of lying. Obviously, even someone like you, who seems to have problems comprehending the most simple of sentences, must understand that either one, or the other, is fibbing. Interesting to see who....Arn't you curious?

Regarding slapstick, I am not really interested. It seems that we've already started on a bad track, and as such, I would'nt want you to view me as a threat to your livelihood. I m rather fair you see.....Never enter a race you cannot win....

M.Gauci

Dec 3rd 2009, 12:26

JJ
Yeah right, out of point, like the F grade, the exam and the eye blurring I suppose, heh :) ?
Prime ministerial prerogative JJ, not a national one – don’t twist what I say. Although we’re still waiting for
your gloom and doom views about the change of guard Gonzi did, which selflessly worried you so much
about national integrity. We’re going to have a major crash at the stock exchange on this, you reckon?

Slapstick entertainment could be another line of business you could consider.

Jeremy J Camilleri

Dec 3rd 2009, 10:46

M Gauci ....The Prime Minister is a national figure,...keep this up and be patient, you'll keep on learning as you go along....

As for your apocalyptic jokes....once again, whilst entertaining us all, you are totally out of point, a status that you seem constantly at home with...Talk about jesters....

Now..who's lying I wonder...Borg or Gonzi......Rather uncomfortable that.....

D Attard

Dec 3rd 2009, 09:54

@M Gauci
It would have been a sore point for the PL if it was against the EU to this day. I don't believe it is now, were you around in June 2009?
The relevance of the EU referendum with this blog still escapes me.

M.Gauci

Dec 3rd 2009, 08:23

I would have thought replacing John Dalli with Joe Borg is a Prime Ministerial nt a national one. Tell us JJ, show us your light. How does the replacement affect the country. What doom holds Malta. What end of the world is about to hit us. Don't tell me, 1000s of people are going to loose their job because of the change.

Yes you would try to portray this as a national disaster - after all it serves your red eyes.

Oh, Jason Micallef, a party affair. Too right it is - at least half the population makes part of that party .... but storm in a teacup that backstabbing, says you, right. heh

However you may try, your arguments have so far been banal to say the least.

Keep on jestering, please!

Jeremy J Camilleri

Dec 3rd 2009, 00:25

M Gauci ...I didn't expect an answer....and in fact, true to form, you didn't give one....

As for Jason Micallef and Joseph Muscat etc...whatever happened there was a party affair, not a national one....Seems that Pn and its lackeys can;t really see the difference...

Eu Commisioner isn t a PArty job you see? Oh well...Never thought you would....

Joseph Agius

Dec 2nd 2009, 22:38

Who am I going to believe?

The answer is not that difficult, who lied once, twice, three times and more can never be trusted I assume, so Mr Joe Borg you are most probably right. After all similar to this happened even with former minister they where informed with an SMS about loosing their position.

M.Gauci

Dec 2nd 2009, 20:20

@Jeremy J
Well you asked me a question so you deserve any answer.

Who do I think is telling things straight? Probably both, one just did not get reappointed (and maybe expects that he should have and thus is seeing RED Oops right now) and the other must have in some means informed JBorg. Its a question of understanding what is being said to you in political diplomatic ways.

But apart from that - Dr. Gonzi has gone down on record telling all that no one is to expect to have a God given right to have their placement renewed. Jien naf tipo Jason Micallef and how Joe Muscat kicked him out of his role within MLP.

But truely, from a

mario gellel

Dec 2nd 2009, 20:04

GONZI KEEPING JOE BORG IN THE DARK IS NO BIG DEAL, GUYS!!!!
WE HAVE BEEN KEPT IN LIMBO FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS, THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
AFTER ALL IT'S NICE OF HIM TO SHARE THE PUDDING.

Jeremy J Camilleri

Dec 2nd 2009, 19:34

M Gauci...ok...dictionary, open...then, out, after that, of, and finally point.....Step by step does it....

Never said I loved Joe Borg...the point was so simple a five year old child could have comprehended...but hey, whats simple for some...

Here we go again....Mohhok hemm ejja...Either Joe Borg is telling fibs, or our own Prime is....

They CAN'T both be telling the truth now, can they? Now, it would be interesting to find out, who do you think, in your eternal wisdom, is pinocchioing around I wonder....

And anyway, who needs a jester when we've got so much entertanment provided for free....

Andrew Cumbo

Dec 2nd 2009, 19:03

My beliefs are with Dr. Joe Borg. This is not the first time gaffe from Dr. Gonzi. Just remember Robert Arrigo, Jeffrey Pulicino Orlando and Franco Debono few weeks ago in Bondi +. They all said that sometimes the media will be the first to know of some issues, before same issues are brought for their attention.

M.Gauci

Dec 2nd 2009, 18:25

@Jeremy J

I'll get an F?
Exam!?
My bad eyesight?

Who is out of point, again? heh, JJ keep on going, please, we need you to jester on.

@D.Attard
Get over what? Why, cause its bothering the MLP?
Get over Joe Borg and Gonzi - its not out of love of Joe Borg you and JJ are writing here anyway - right? Tissue anyone? sniff sniff, if only Joe Borg knew how much you loved him before joining PN.

Galea. L

Dec 2nd 2009, 18:17

Gonzi, people know both you and Dr Borg.
Dr Borg is known as a gentleman by all sides of the political spectrum.
No need to elaborate.

m. borg (slm)

Dec 2nd 2009, 18:03

As usual gonziPN apologists beat around the bush, turn an argument over its head and stir away from the essence of it.
The problem is not why Dr Gonzi did not re-appoint Joe Borg, which is his prerogative, as PM he acts as is best for him and the party, but the way he did not face Joe and tell him that he wasn't going to e-appoint him, says thanky ou shake his hand and live happyly ever after.
Ask the ex-ministers and ex-ministerial segretaries who were unceremoniously told by email that their services were no longer required.

Jeremy J Camilleri

Dec 2nd 2009, 17:33

M Gauci...aaaah....What an inspirational retort!!!!

If you had been in an exam, you'd have got a big fat F....out of point you see....but I guess, yo're eyesight might be rather bleary right now.....

Joe Genovese

Dec 2nd 2009, 16:26

Politics, someone once said before Drs Gonzi and Borg came on the scene, is the art of the impossible.

So?

So, they're both telling the pure, unadulterated truth.

Charles Zammit

Dec 2nd 2009, 16:22

Dr. Joe Borg, having lived away from the island for a long time now, is probably not yet aware of the twists taking place in this country. Up to a few hours before the announcement of Mr. Dalli's nomination as EU commissioner, Dr. Gonzi was still denying that the choice for the post fell on Mr. Dalli. Meetings between Maltese ministers and Mr. Barroso in Brussels were a common occurrence he assured. He went on to assure that Mr. Dalli's meeting with Mr. Barroso had nothing to do with the latter's nomination to the job.

Dr. Borg need not worry. We all know who is saying the truth and yes Dr. Borg had every reason to expect to be re-appointed. He did a magnificent job and earned this country praise and esteem.

william sciberras

Dec 2nd 2009, 16:15

what does it matter what two grown men said or did not say to each other, why should we care?

D Attard

Dec 2nd 2009, 15:54

@M Gauci
Get over the EU referendum for goodness' sake! We'll soon be calling that a decade ago.

As regards the subject above, I simply ask myself, what would be Joe Borg's interest in creating the call from the wife story? Sour grapes? I wouldn't think so. And if I understood well the PM didn't actually spell out the actual negation, it was made through a spokesperson. So it wasn't a real lie anyway!

George Poitier

Dec 2nd 2009, 15:05

It's a pity that some politicians use two weights and two measures. Yes, it's good that the Prime Minister shows his people that Politicians are as disposable (used purposely here) as any other commodity. Some people think they are like Royals, till you die. Spare me please. Use them and abuse them, that is what Politicians are for...so remember, they are there with your approval. Vote them out and they will only be there 5 years (too long already).

Anthony Farrugia

Dec 2nd 2009, 14:28

Joe Borg is the guy who, when chosen as commissioner in 2004, said that he would only do one term in Brussels because in 2009 he would be 58 and too old to take up national - read Maltese - politics after a five year absence from his local turf; he was looking to going back to lecturing at Uni.

Methinks he protests too much . He assumed that a second term as EU commissioner was guaranteed and a walk over. It would be better if stops complaining and enjoys his golden handshake.

m. borg (slm)

Dec 2nd 2009, 13:48

@ I dimech

You lot ready to believe a discredited leader and not an unusually upright nationalist politician.
What a sorry lot you are, I thank God I never had the inkling to be a nationalist.

Joe Busuttil

Dec 2nd 2009, 13:36

A new way of doing politics.........Adding insult to injury. Of course Dr Borg would have liked to stay on in that cushy job. He earned in one year what most of us won't be able to save in a lifetime. But what he is complaining about is the way he was treated and he is right. Now who is lying ,that is the question.

P.Cassar

Dec 2nd 2009, 13:14

ALL THIS HAS FAR OFF ECHOS
The removal of Dr. Borg Olivier in the dark night of so many years ago.

BUT it seems that this methodology has continued with ministers being removed by emails, others by telephone etc etc

Of course we believe Joe Borg coming to know about his tremoval from the TV and through his wife !!!!!!

Enzo Caruana

Dec 2nd 2009, 12:58

Now this is extremely rich! " a spokesman for Dr Gonzi"......."seemed to imply"

Why did it have to be a spokesman and not Dr Gonzi to pronounce himself on what many consider a lack of common courtesy to a very respected Nationalist politician, and,
2) Spokespersons must not "seem to imply" They have a duty to give the whole facts to the public. A clear reply to the folowing is still pending from Dr Gonzi. Dr Joe Borg deserves much better that this.:
"A couple of months ago I was informed that only two possible scenarios were being considered: one was the nomination of a Cabinet minister and the other was my re-nomination. If in the last days and weeks the situation had changed I certainly was not informed."

M.Gauci

Dec 2nd 2009, 12:57

@Jeremy J
Of course you would know that well. The organisation you work for and the party you support are experts at that. The ghosts of joining the EU rings a bell? (apart from a ton or 2 of other things)

l. dimech

Dec 2nd 2009, 12:32

HEY GUYS - JUST LISTEN TO YOURSELVES. YOU'VE BEGUN TO SOUND LIKE THE LABURISTI - remember what a pleasure it was seeing them wash their dirtly laundry in public ?

JOE BORG, WHY DON'T YOU JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR A GOOD AND WELL CUSHIONED 5 YEARS' DEAL - IF YOU DID A GOOD JOB THAT'S NO BIG DEAL - IT'S WHAT YOU WERE PAID FOR. BUT IT SEEMS NOTHING IS EVER ENOUGH.

g.c.Forte

Dec 2nd 2009, 12:16

What `s the reason for crying on spilt milk ? I am sure that this is a theatrical tactic. Come on Lawrence give Joe a good job, and every body is happy. Lets spend Christmas on a good note. Let us all forget till January,then we start all over again. Ara gibtuna sew eh..........nilletikaw bejnietna min hu il giddeb. Kollox possibbli.

Lawrence Cardona

Dec 2nd 2009, 11:46

How come Dr Joe Borg is being surprised cause he was not informed and stabbed from behind let me remind you mr Borg that the party that you used to make part of since last week did this to lots of people like me to give you an example Dr George Borg Olivier suffered the same and who knows the story knows what i'm talking about 2.Dr Guido Demarco the man who really worked hard so you was given the post as EU Commissioner was nominated as president of Malta in the final stage he deserved to take us threw EU but he was stabbed 3.The same new EU comm that is taken your place was threated worse then Iraq from the americans and to end up with 4. all those who belived in the nationalist party before 1987 that this party would change the way for better our lives how stupid we where let me remind you last thing the general election results showed that this party is far away from his own people or ex people like my family that are still waitng for justice to be done the Cardona family

E.portelli

Dec 2nd 2009, 11:16

illllll xi dwejjaq ta pajjiz.........u din tiga saret xi haga simili meta gie maghzul il kabinet wara l'ahhar elezzjoni.
Jien dejjem PN ivvutajt...........imma nahlef li din id darba nuzah mod iehor ghax xbajt............ XI DWEJJAQ !!!!!
Din hi, is-sensibilita illi konna gejna imwedin biha wara l'elezzjoni?

Joanna Ellul

Dec 2nd 2009, 11:07

He didn't EXPECT to be there forever (and anyway in EU Institutions people can only hold their post for two terms =10yrs) but I believe that if you were working somewhere, and someone told you that your contract (or term) would have been renewed, and then you found out, through secondary sources, that someone else has been nominated instead of you... how would you feel? I wouldn't be too amused!

Neville debattista

Dec 2nd 2009, 11:00

@spokesman for Dr.Gonzi. " Every decision, including the nomination of Malta's commissioner, is taken in the best interest of the country ......." . Should have said party instead of " country " . Even the most unintelligent being living around this island will have come to the conclusion that John Dalli has become a thorn in the side of Dr.Gonzi.

Mario Farrugia

Dec 2nd 2009, 10:57

Appointing a spokesperson to rebut the Dr. Borg's claim? And whoever said anything about "clear indications"???? Did Dr. Gonzi inform Dr. Borg, or did he not? THAT is the very simple question which Dr. Gonzi is not man enough to answer in simple terms - yes or no. There is only one party to believe here - Dr. Borg.

Charles Micallef

Dec 2nd 2009, 10:54

If you look at the salary and perks that a EU Comminsioner gets rewarded with, please do not blame Dr Borg for wanting to stay, and that is besides his sense of gratitude to the Nation!

Franco Farrugia

Dec 2nd 2009, 10:52

@ Criss Camilleri: Le, ma nahsibx li ppretenda li jibqa' hemm ghal dejjem. Kull ma ppretenda, milli nista' naqra jien, almenu, huwa telefonata Brussell, mill-PM, jghidlu, isma', grazzi hafna, ta' xoghlok, u prosit, imma s-sitwazzjoni titlob li ninnomina lit-tali!
Nahseb dak li ppretenda!

Julian Caruana

Dec 2nd 2009, 10:52

It is rather unfortunate of our Prime Minister never to admit that he is in the wrong, even when everything indicates that he is. A public apology to Dr Borg would be the least he can do.

Criss Camilleri

Dec 2nd 2009, 10:41

Imma dan ippretenda li jibqa hemm ghal dejjem? And yes, who is the truthful person out of the two politicians?

ABORG

Dec 2nd 2009, 10:36

the fact that a spokesperson has been appointed in an attempt to set light on this issue is already enough for people to make their own conclusions!

Jeremy J Camilleri

Dec 2nd 2009, 10:30

Now now...One or the other is lying....I wonder who.....

Mnauel Micallef

Dec 2nd 2009, 10:28

The question now is, "who shall we believe?"

Obviously one of them is saying the truth and one not...... is it Gonzi the lier or Joe Borg?