BWSC denies bribery claims

Muscat Pat

Nov 28th 2009, 22:49

@Joe Vella
You are so much stuck up with prejudice that you suffer amnesia when Dr Gatt criticised the auditor some time ago. People who criticise the Government are not "aliens", not necessarily stupid as you imagine them to be.

Jeremy J Camilleri

Nov 28th 2009, 21:53

Joe Vella..allegations were made regarding countries fall far from Danish Jurisdiction and as such, your argument regarding alleged offences committed in other countries doesn t hold water...

Anyway...

These allegations have been denied by the alleged perpetrator through e mail...is that enough for you?
I am not in a position to confirm or dismiss these allegations....yet you sound sure that no wrongdoings have been committed...WHy? How would you know?

Are you against an independent investigation to confirm or dismiss these allegations?..if yes, Why?

When these allegations come up, the argument should not be about who made them, but i they hold up..I guess time will tell....

Joe Vella

Nov 28th 2009, 20:44

@ Jeremy J. Cammilleri

The Danish paper never came out right and and accused the Company in question with corruption. It only raised up some suspicion that illegal activity could have happened. The same thing Joseph Muscat is doing. In both case no proof of such have been put forward to proof so. On the contrary the Danish police upon these reports did its' as any responsible Police Force would have done, and concluded there is no basis to suggest that any wrong doing have been carried out by the Company.

John Micallef

Nov 28th 2009, 19:04

@ Joseph Cauchi.

If i was the PM, i will offer you the post of Director of Contrcts next Monday!!

This reminds me when Tonio Borg did a statement that in all prisons round the word theit is drugs.

Come on, it's your tax man!!!

Joe Vella

Nov 28th 2009, 18:26

@ Muscat pat

Perhaps you got your wires crossed up. Can you tell when the Auditor was criticised by the Government?

Jeremy J Camilleri

Nov 28th 2009, 17:29

Joe Vella.. I suggest you look up all the details of the case, or cases concerned....

Its also interesting to note if the libel law exists in Denmrk, and if this case was an invention, how much money did BWSC make from these 'false' accuations...

Gerard Cassar

Nov 28th 2009, 16:40

Elves invented by you know who does not charactarise Labour supporters but what about "SMURFS" and the P.N. Surely they are enough erudit to comprehend tthat he nickname of SMURFS. 100 % adequate.
Regards all SMURFS!

Joe Vella

Nov 28th 2009, 15:32

@ Jeremy J Camiller

"Incredible. I suppose in a court of law, the accused should have all charges against him dropped as soon as he states that he is not guilty."

For an accused to have all charges laid against him, first he/she have to have charges laid against him/her. Which this wasn't the case. So your premise is wrong. Perhaps you could come up with a better sorry explanation.

J.Borg

Nov 28th 2009, 15:21

It's amazing how PN bloggers jump quickly to criticise Joseph Muscat......as if if one is guilty, one will say that ge is guilty.
It is also amazing how PN bloggers are still living in the past.......these bloggers are stuck in the past like the government......
We the people want to look ahead.....and as for bloggers, to begin with Mr.Martielli telling Joseph Muscat to "grow up", i think they should saw it to themselves.

@ Jeremy Camilleri.....
You should now that when people start calling out to the opossition names like elves, jaqq,etc. That's when they are really against the wall and need to try and find something to alienate ther people with!!!

Muscat. Pat

Nov 28th 2009, 15:18

@ Joe Vella.
So the Auditor is critcised by the Government for doing its job, the Opposition is criticised for doing its job, what body ( as specifically asked by our constitution) is supposed to check and balance the work of the Government? Or should we live in a system where "anything goes"? Is this your idea of a modern, vibrant and European democracy?

Jeremy J Camilleri

Nov 28th 2009, 13:30

Joseph Cauchi implies that corruption is the normal practise in business deals...Well, I guess that says it all........

Jeremy J Camilleri

Nov 28th 2009, 13:26

It seems that most Pn bloggers jumped for joy as soon as the company directly implicated in this fiasco denied these accuastions.

Incredible. I suppose in a court of law, the accused should have all charges against him dropped as soon as he states that he is not guilty.

It would be funny were it not so pathetic!

As for Martinelli, it would be good for him to give us the definition of elves in HIS dictionary....

laurence schembri

Nov 28th 2009, 13:03

An alternative? Say nothing and as usual sweep everything under the carpet. This will suit the commedians beneath.

J.Borg

Nov 28th 2009, 12:36

For me there's something fishy in all this.....as how can one explain that both the PN and Net TV didn't mention anything about this........

@ J.Martinelli.......
i think that for many in here you need to grow up as for everything that the Pl does or proposes you are the first to shoot it down......as you are easy living far away and always looking to stamp your feet i everything that happens in Malta!!!

J Martinelli

Nov 28th 2009, 12:09

Joseph's allegations regarding BWSC are as solid as his claim that he was shown the contents of the Libya - Italy accord signed a few months back.

In both occasions he had obtained 'reliable' information from - get this - clippings from a newspaper! This is another case of beating a dead horse. Grow up Joseph!

In the meantime he is being amply supported by a bunch of puppets and a horde of elves. Viva l-Lejber.

Manuel Micallef

Nov 28th 2009, 11:18

Did anyone expect to hear from the comapny:-

"ow yes, we were invovled in Bribery in the past ...."

is it not obvious that they will rebuck such claims?!

Joe Vella

Nov 28th 2009, 11:17

Joseph Muscat and the PL are being destructive as usual. They are basic their corruption theory on an investigative report done years ago by a Danish newspaper that from one could tell nothing came out of it. Where is Joseph Muscat and the PL's responsibility? Have they followed up with the appropriate Danish Authorities to secure if anything developed from all of this? Guess not, simply want to be destructive and delay important infrastructure projects then with a straight face claim that the Government does not keep its' promises.

First, Joseph Muscat and the PL claimed the the technology used is old; and I guess now when they have been rebuffed by experts are claiming corruption. Worst is that the Company involved might have been involved in corruption years ago in some far away country.

Joseph E Briffa

Nov 28th 2009, 11:16

Do we have another Di Pietro around us?

Muscat. Pat

Nov 28th 2009, 11:10

@ J Cauchi
One of the main modules in any business mangement degree is" business ethics". I don't know which European or American school of mangement teaches that "bribes" are the "modus operandi" for a successful tendering process. Perhaps Mr Cauchi has no business degree, but if he has, he can tell us where he was taught such unprincipled and "anti European" business ethics.

J Busuttil

Nov 28th 2009, 11:03

Another gaffe by the Leader of The Malta Labour Party. He again told us on a 'part' of the story that is newspaper allegations but fails to tell us that POLICE INVESTIGATIONS found nothing
to substantiate the newspaper allegations. This is not a serious opposition.

R. Caruana

Nov 28th 2009, 10:59

So easy to throw mud...

JM, get real! Your credibility is next to zero.

A. Mamo

Nov 28th 2009, 10:29

Every individual and every company denies such reports. Imma l-qasba ma ccaqqcaqx ghalxejn!

J. Schembri

Nov 28th 2009, 10:26

Another burst bubble .

Joseph Cauchi

Nov 28th 2009, 10:20

How can we be so naïve not to realise that the allegations made by some Danish newspapers and quoted by the (M)LP are the “norm” in today’s global business market?

All major business deals involve some sort of “back-handing” and “kick-backs”!

Unless any company does not involve itself in such “modus operandi”, it will risk of not getting any business in this globalised market, as other non-scrupled companies would not hesitate to jump on the bandwagon.

It is not an open secret, that Western democratic governments condone and even encourage such methods when their own compatriots close certain deals with other foreign nations, such as in the field of energy, armaments, etc..., where billions and billions of Euros and Dollars are involved!

I, personally do not condone such methods, but if one wants to survive in this very competitive world, there is no other alternative but to go with the tide if one really wants to remain in business.

So, please let’s get real and stop this “fake” business of “Political Correctness” and trying to be more holy than the Pope!

JC.