Youths call for climate change action, object to police
A small group of youths from Moviment Graffitti and Alternattiva Demokratika Zaghazagh this afternoon held a demonstration outside the Corinthia San Gorg Hotel calling for real action to counter climate change.
The protest was being held to coincide with the first session of a meeting of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Mediterranean, which is being held at the hotel.
The conference is discussing the effects of climate change but a spokesman for Graffitti said the youths wanted real action to prevent climate change, rather than to react to it. He said that 10 years after the Kyoto Treaty, no real, effective action had been taken, and they feared that the forthcoming Copenhagen conference would end up with the same result.
Those taking part in the protest, about 15, were dressed in black and wore dust masks. They carried a cardboard coffin and a banner saying : Less Talk, More Action.
Hotel security headed by former Police Commissioner George Grech asked the youths to move away from the hotel entrance but they refused, insisting they had a right to protest. Mr Grech said that was private property and residents were being disturbed. Furthermore, they had made their point.
The youths, however, stayed put and a press conference was held.
When the police arrived and asked the youths to move, a second press conference, a repetition of the first, was held as policemen carried the 'coffin' away. The youths then moved outside the hotel precincts without further incident.
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Kenneth Cassar
Nov 26th 2009, 09:36
@ Alex Ellul:
"I have been mentioning science all along".
In case you haven't noticed, I neither trust your sources, nor your simplistic "scientific" explanations.
How about providing a reputable peer-reviewed scientific paper debunking what you would call the "climate change myth".
Kenneth Cassar
Nov 26th 2009, 07:44
@ Alex Ellul:
And yet, you fail to provide a link to a real science journal or paper that disproves the general scientific consensus about climate change.
I'm wasting my time. Have a nice day.
Alex Ellul
Nov 25th 2009, 16:57
@Kenneth Cassar: I have been mentioning science all along. Should you have the courage to seek what thousands of scientists are saying, writing, peer reviewed reports, you will find that there is a lot more science in natural causes of global warmings and coolings, natural climate variability, then the claim that only one forcing, CO2 gas effects the global average temperature, a claim that is scientifically very shaky at best, even a scam, as has been claimed for years, and now proven by the Briffa scandal and the CRU scandal. More to come. Your comments do not contain any traces of science but just plain allegations. The planet today, at 380ppm CO2, is cooler than it was 10 years ago at 350 ppm CO2. According to IPCC computer models, we should be burning today and not having freezing winters. The proof is in the thermometer not in computer models. A fisherman knows more whats happening to the climate than the IPCC funded scientists. At least, the former is honest, the latter are frauds.
Kenneth Cassar
Nov 25th 2009, 13:20
@ Alex Ellul:
No one ever claimed that we can stop climate change (apart from perhaps a few slogans). If one is to study the question in depth, what the scientists claim is that pollution is making the climate change process advance at a relatively faster pace than would happen without the pollution - thus leaving little time for the ecosystem to adapt.
This is all standard science. I am still waiting for scientific papers disproving the above.
As for some fraudulent (if that is the case) scientists breaking down the whole climate change claim, it is like saying that evolution would be necessarily untrue if it were discovered that Darwin falsified some evidence, or that the Bible is all false just because we now know that several parts were expunged from it, and parts were even added to it in its history.
I think further debate is futile. It's not a matter of having divergent beliefs or proofs. Its apparently a difference of the way we think and the way we come to conclusions from consequential or inconsequential facts.
Alex Ellul
Nov 25th 2009, 12:16
@Kenneth Cassar. .(Continued) The other scandal is last week's revelation that CRU scientists were cooking the science books to make it seem that we are still suffering from global warming when in fact the planet has been cooling since 2003. You already admit "The proof is that some information was selectively suppressed by one scientist.". This already makes the whole CRU science thing fall flat on its face. But not only. More scientists at CRU were involved in the scam. These scientists are publicly paid. They had been refusing to provide scientific data to other British scientists who had all the right to know, since the data was obtained by public funds. The CRU scientists always refused, at one point saying that they had lost the original temperature readings when they moved fromone building to another. ALL LIES. Now, the scam is officially recognized and politicians are now calling for blood from CRU.
May I ask you: Who are the climate deniers now?
Alex Ellul
Nov 25th 2009, 12:07
@Kenneth Cassar. There are no scientific proofs that climate change does not exist. Contrary wise, all scientists and fishermen agree that climate change has been with us since day one of this planet, is with us and will always be with us, and there is nothing we can do to stop it. Those of you who think that humans can change the climate are like believers in aliens. They see a movie called ET and they are moved to believe in anything. The term Climate Change was coined after the Global Warming debacle post 1997, when the planet refused to warm according to the IPCC expectations. Since then, the UN and Publicly finaced scientists started to find ways how to cook the science books so as to hide the truth that the warming had stopped and cooling commenced. Since then, Global Warming has been changed to Climate Change, but the politics and the carbon taxes planned for us by our politicians are the same.
About the leaked CRU emails you aretotally wrong. There two current scandals intertwined with each other: One is the Briffa scandal, Briffa being that dendrochronological scientist who does proxy temperature readings from tree rings.(Continued)
Stefan Dimech
Nov 25th 2009, 11:57
Terrorism,Global warming and the flu virus, to name a few things that are doing nothing good but causing distress. Liberal Governments of the west with their inane ramblings and illegal wars. Add their small minded,easily manipulated voters to it all and we have one big hysterical cocktail of filth.
Kenneth Cassar
Nov 25th 2009, 11:35
@ Michael Grech:
The proof is that some information was selectively suppressed by one scientist. The article does not give any conclusive evidence either way, and certainly does not "prove" that climate change is one "big contrick".
Now how about some scientific papers disproving climate change.
Michael Grech
Nov 25th 2009, 11:17
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230635/Scientist-climate-change-cover-storm-told-quit.html
Proof that it is all one big contrick.
Kenneth Cassar
Nov 25th 2009, 10:58
@ Alex Ellul:
I did not mention one (actually I mentioned at least two) on a pick and choose basis. I picked the first two. If you want to be credible, you must carefully pick your sources.
Enough said. Next time link to a true scientific website.
Franco Farrugia
Nov 25th 2009, 08:05
@ Stephen Farrugia Sliema: 'The peaceful Rightwing never ever causes trouble and gives its support to the police always. '
Please, don't make me laugh!!!!
Kenneth Cassar
Nov 25th 2009, 08:03
@ Paul Scicluna:
Yes, the BNP webiste is a very credible source to get scientific information. (Just in case someone doesn't notice, I'm being sarcastic).
Kenneth Cassar
Nov 25th 2009, 08:00
@ Stephen Farrugia:
"K Cassar The Rightwing in Malta is just perfect for our civil society and never causes problems and always supports the law and who enforce it".
That does not answer my question, so let me repeat it: Who exactly are you referring to, when you say the "peaceful Rightwing"?
Matthew Dougall
Nov 25th 2009, 02:14
@K Cortis
Every Human Being can effect climate change...
John Grech
Nov 25th 2009, 01:29
Malta your a little behind, the big news, Global warming is the biggest Scam ever according to today's news.
Alex Ellul
Nov 24th 2009, 22:42
Kenneth Cassar: I gave a lot of websites to brows into. You just metioned one on a pick and choose basis, just like the scientists at CRU who have now been exposed as scammers. BTW, the hacked emails from the CRU server have been confirmed to be true by the CRU director himself who promised that he will get the police into the matter, but he would not, because the police should be investigating CRU itself for spending public monies, millions of it, on producing scientific lies. This website criticises Obama becuase of his politics of trying to tax Americans on carbon use. Carbon Tax. But his policy has failed, having been stopped dead at the senate, becuase the majority of the senators, including Democarts, have realosed that these carbon taxes will impoverish the middle class, while making the energy providers such as EXXon, GE etc richer by the trillions. Those same multinationals who rode the carbon gravy train in the past have now bouhgt themselves aticket on the new gravy train: the low carbon economy., while you and me are paying twice what we were paying for elctricity.
Raymond Camilleri
Nov 24th 2009, 21:06
Paul Scicluna quoting hatemongers and people haters! Keep the BNP's views to yourself! You have no shame.
Paul Sciluna
Nov 24th 2009, 20:29
Get back to your studies, that is why we pay our tax, not so you can waste time. http://bnp.org.uk/2009/11/climate-change-is-the-theology-of-the-liberal-elite/
Matthew Xuereb
Nov 24th 2009, 18:19
What a bunch of protesters, deciding to protest on private property and thinking they had the right to do so.
G. Attard
Nov 24th 2009, 14:33
heum, I wonder just how these protestors got there. Did they all come in thier electric cars, or take the diesel guzzling public buses? Surely these people who care so much about our environment didn't WALK all the way from their respective starting points to the venue!
Stephen Farrugia Sliema
Nov 24th 2009, 14:17
@ K. Cassar Good question.
Stephen Farrugia Sliema
Nov 24th 2009, 14:09
@ K Cassar The Rightwing in Malta is just perfect for our civil society and never causes problems and always supports the law and who enforce it.
Kenneth Cassar
Nov 24th 2009, 13:41
@ Alex Ellul: I don't think that citing websites called Small Dead Animals or one which has a countdown timer until "Obama leaves office" (to mention just two) makes your case too credible. At the very best, they are obviously very politically biased. As for the hackers you mention, well, I would believe that hackers would not only have the capacity to expose hidden facts, but also to add details of their own or change the content of the site they would hack. Piece of cake...and not too different from "contaminated DNA" - not evidence at all.
Alex Ellul
Nov 24th 2009, 12:47
The following link shows the 5 warmings and 4 coolings of the last 4500 years.
http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0120a62f87f3970c-pi
Apart from the fact that it shows the natural cycle of climate change and proves that climate change is only natural, it also shows a trend: That each cooling phase is cooler than the previous one. If this trend is real, then we have to expect another little ice age which would be even colder than the one that occurred 400 years ago.
Climate Change Politics is nearing its end. The Copenhagen meeting scheduled for this December is already dead. China and India have said so. The US Senate is refusing to pass any Carbon taxes laws, also Australia etc.
Alex Ellul
Nov 24th 2009, 12:33
Climate science facts:
The air we breath consists of 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen, 0.035% CO2, and some additional traces gases including water vapour.
Without any one of these gases, all life would be in-existent on this planet.
CO2 gas is plant food, without it all land and ocean vegetation dies and with it all life.
CO2 gas greenhouse effect is only caused by the first 50ppm (parts per million) in the atmosphere. the rest is ineffective.
90% of the greenhouse effect is caused by water vapour not CO2
Without the greenhouse effect, our planet would be an ice-planet
There have been 5 global warming phases and 4 cooling phases during the last 4500 years. The warmest out of these was 1000 years ago, (Medieval optimum) much longer and warmer than the warming we had a during 1978-98. During the Medieval optimum, Vikings grew corn and brewed beer in Greenland. Then, when the Little Ice Age came, they had to abandon all their farms and villages.
Warmings are the result of solar activity and many other forcings including intergalactic radiation, but this is very complex science which no scintists has mastered completly. New findings are discovered from time to time.
Kenneth Cassar
Nov 24th 2009, 12:27
@ J Farrugia:
"There is big millionaire money in climate change. Just tell Al Gore about it".
There is big millionaire money in religion. Just tell American TV Evangelists about it. Which makes me wonder - does J Farrugia reject religion for the same reason?
John Spiteri
Nov 24th 2009, 11:22
Franco Farrugia
"And there are STILL people around, like Mr Cauchi, who believe that all this is a MYTH.
As Mr. Ellul Rightly points out the whole thing is now proven to a web of corruption, manipulation and outright Fraud. the leaked CRU files which can be downloaded are shocking. ever more so when governments are throwing away of billions of taxpayers' money on so called AGW. Governments are now implicit in this highly illegal fraud.
Furthermore, now software engineers are going through the leaked code at the heart of these 'climate modellers' and what they are finding is revolting. Hopelessly written, undocumented, missing data, manipulated data, conjured data - incredible and yet we have idiots at the moviment graffitti potesting against CO2. they should get a job and a life.
Kenneth Cassar
Nov 24th 2009, 10:28
@ Stephen Farrugia:
Who exactly are you referring to, when you say the "peaceful Rightwing"?
Joe Zammit
Nov 24th 2009, 09:26
Mature and serious people do not look at the end to be attained but also at the means to be taken to reach that end. Otherwise the end, however laudable it could be, will turn into trash! The end NEVER justifies the means.
J Farrugia
Nov 24th 2009, 07:50
This Climate cchange is just a scam and it is a pity that gullible persons. Instead of wasting their energies and time on something which NO ONE can prove, they had better climb down from their high PULPITS and start being practical and LIVE. There is big millionaire money in climate change. Just tell Al Gore about it.
Kenneth Cassar
Nov 24th 2009, 07:45
@ Lino Camilleri:
Since when did climate change stop being a political issue?
Stephen Farrugia Sliema
Nov 24th 2009, 02:51
Why cannot Graffitti do a protest according to the law, without always having a police intervention ? That was private property.
The peaceful Rightwing never ever causes trouble and gives its support to the police always. You guys should take us as an example and respect the law.
The Rightwing in Malta is exemplary and has a very strong following in the rest of Europe.
Lino Camilleri
Nov 24th 2009, 01:22
@ Jacqueline Chircop
It's an honour to have such a youthful willingness for defending what is right in our country. It's a pity really, that Graffitti can get so easily politically motivated sometimes!!!
Alex Ellul
Nov 24th 2009, 00:35
This is the dead-knell of Anthropogenic Global Warming Theory, explaining how the few scientists at CRU falsified temperature records to hide the non-warmomg of the last 15 years and the rapid cooling of the last 5 years or so. THE PLANET IS COOLING NOT WARMNG. This goes against all the IPCC's predicitions (false prophesies), of continuous temperature rise, warming oceans etc.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/viscount-monckton-on-global-warminggate-they-are-criminals-pjm-exclusive/
Alex Ellul
Nov 24th 2009, 00:22
About rising seas and oceans,. This is another part odf the AGW scam. The oceans are not rising, having ceased the few cm per century a few years ago, and are possibly decreasing due to the current cooling of the oceans (Thermal expansion/contraction). Antarctica has not seen any ice loss dueing the last 50 years, Greenland has more ice today than it had 1000 years ago while the northpole ice cap melting or freezing does not effect ocean levels since the ice is floating. One has to be always a skeptic. Skepticsm is the foundatin of science, blind faith the basis of religion and science is not religion. The opposite of a skeptic person is a gullible person and those who still believe that CO2 gas is causing warming are mistaken, as was I until a few years ago. May I recommend to all those expressing their blind faith in AGW to go and read some science and not to beleive blind foldedly, gullibly, all that is written in the news papers, on tv etc. Here are some highly interesting climate science reads:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17142
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/20/unforeseen-climate-crisis/
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/cru_files_betray_climate_alarm.html
http://www.alabamawx.com/?p=24574
Alex Ellul
Nov 24th 2009, 00:05
The Anthropogenic Global Warming theory, which, after 10 years of no global temperature rise, and the latter years seeing a global cooling spree, was changed to climate change, is nothing but false science. IT IS A SCAM not unlike a pyramid scheme and bound to callapse anytime soon. Many scientists worlwide have been saying this but the 50 UN scientists that created this scam (IPCC), in cahoots with politicians and main stream media have managed to silence the thousands of scientists who are skeptical about AGW. However these scientists have created websites and blogsproving their skepticism, based on scientific studies and reports and debunking AGW theory. Global warmings and coolings are the result of solar activity or ilack of it, in combination with many other forcings including intergalactic radiation that effect cloud cover which reduces surface temperatures. Now, only last week, the CRU (UK-Climate Research Unit) server was hacked and correspondence and emails have been published revealing how the scientists at CRU falsified data to 'create' global warming. They removed the Medieval warming from their graphs to show that the last warming is unique, which is not. CRU is the unit upon which the UN'sIPCC based Kyoto etc.
Read: http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/012694.html
Jesmond Micallef
Nov 23rd 2009, 21:57
May I suggest readers to have a look at the "World News" section of the thetimesofmalta.com,and read the article about rising seas !!
jacqueline chircop
Nov 23rd 2009, 21:46
thank goodness for these young people. keep it up and well done.
G.Schembri
Nov 23rd 2009, 21:45
Why did the police stop these youths from holding their protest. I'm sure the tourists did not mind a handful of youths peacefully protesting. What must have disgusted the tourists is Mr Grech's arrogance. YOUTHS in Malta are being CENSORED - This is again becoming a police state, the security and the police had no right to confiscate their property. DISGUSTING, is this the impression we want to give the tourists.
Adrian Cachia
Nov 23rd 2009, 20:38
@ K.Curtis - Instead of telling Graffitti to grow up why don't you check if Malta did actually sign that treaty and if we did anything to rectify our country position with that treaty.
Graffitti keep it up if everyone stays put this country will be like dough under a rolling pin!
Franco Farrugia
Nov 23rd 2009, 20:27
@ Mr Cortis - Thankfully, not everyone thinks the same as you. Thankfully, not everyone has that island mentality that you show! Heaven forbid if everyone had to think the way you do, and in various subjects, on various issues! I think it's not Graffiti that needs to 'grow up'.
Joseph Cauchi
Nov 23rd 2009, 20:16
@ Mr. R. Cassar,
Yes, Climate Change/Global Warming exists.
It’s called WEATHER!
JC
Joseph Cauchi
Nov 23rd 2009, 20:12
@ Franco Farrugia,
Please prove it!
JC.
clive borg
Nov 23rd 2009, 20:00
@ K Cortis
charity begins at home as well as if everyone makes something from the samllest one to the biggest one there is a change.....
at least if the bigger doesn't what to make the change happen we, as small do our part...
il-power stations li ghandna nahseb ma jafetwahiex, il-karozzi u l-exhaust lanqas!
joseph cachia
Nov 23rd 2009, 19:46
America Japan and India pollute the world to the detriment of our health, not the non existent notion of GLOBAL WARMING.
MALTA should not get involved in the matter. We are forced to paying taxes for this non existent cause
Paul Smith
Nov 23rd 2009, 19:03
Firstly, good for the youngsters for not moving.
It has been reported by Paul Mason BBC 2 Newsnight program (UK) that: President Barack Obama has now, reportedly, accepted there will be a global resource crunch within a decade, led by peak oil. The peak in oil production has occured, more worrying than climate change is, what will Malta do when it cannot afford oil? No oil = No Water!
Malta's number one national security issue is: How to get enough water for 400,000 people in a world of scarce oil resources & second: How to feed 400,000 people without easy to get food imports. Climate change is secondary to all the above.
jacqueline chircop
Nov 23rd 2009, 18:50
thanks goods we have young people who are so smart. keep it up.
Adrian Borg
Nov 23rd 2009, 18:45
Graffiti recommend action to replace words ... well I'd recommend they stop protesting and start working themselves.
Everyone knows that if words mean nothing, protests mean even less!
If Graffiti are really as capable as they think they are, they should get a seat in power!
Mark Spiteri
Nov 23rd 2009, 17:41
Climate change is here to stay. Even if the targets set out in the Kyoto Protocol are met, it will be decades before the effects of climate change start to reverse. That doesn’t mean that nothing should be done, far from it. Switching of a single unnecessary light will reduce the emissions of greenhouse gases by just a little but it is a start.
There are no easy solutions to climate change. Governments, perhaps for very good reasons, are reluctant to take the necessary action to reduce the emissions of greenhouse gases significantly. Without the commitment of the USA to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, many argue that it is pointless for other nations to make strenuous efforts to do so.
R Cassar
Nov 23rd 2009, 17:40
Mr cauchi the doubt is being sowed by those who have a lit to lose: the oil industry. Since when is Fox news a reliable source of information!? I can point you to hundreds upon hundreds of studies showing that climate change is real. Anyhow the added bonus is that we get rid of fossil fuel pollution too!
K Cortis
Nov 23rd 2009, 17:32
As if anything Malta does will affect climate change! GROW UP Graffiti!
Franco Farrugia
Nov 23rd 2009, 17:30
And there are STILL people around, like Mr Cauchi, who believe that all this is a MYTH. What utter ignorance and strongheadedness! Shame!
Charles Vella
Nov 23rd 2009, 17:16
Climate Change is a reality... Unfortunately the worst countries who are polluting (USA, Japan & India) are not attending! I guess the worst effects of climate change will be experienced in our life time, and the word "unless we take action" will be useless because we are approaching the point of no return....!! (Example... the fierce storms hitting the UK causing floods... this is JUST 1% of what's to come in the next months/couple of few years) Tens of Polar Bears are drowning everyday because of the amount of ice which is melting! WORLD WAKE UP!!
Joseph Cauchi
Nov 23rd 2009, 17:15
To all those that espouse the theory of Climate Change or rather Global Warming, it would be better if they realised that these “environmentalists” are being taken for a ride by certain “Big” businesses, as this “Climate Change/Global Warming” thing is nothing more than a MYTH! Please check this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sE9mnwGZuM and http://video.foxnews.com/11782758/not-evil-just-wrong/?category_id=949437d0db05ed5f5b9954dc049d70b0c12f2749 JC.
Franco Farrugia
Nov 23rd 2009, 17:08
I hope that these protesters are dealt with without resorting to any force - they are merely young people, and they are protesting for something important.