Schools urged to keep children away from circus

Christopher Galea

Oct 22nd 2009, 18:31

Lis-sur Franco Farrugia:
Qatt ma jien uzajt diskors bhall buffi, mohh mghaluq etc. Min ma jridx imur ic-cirku jew avvenimenti ohra li jidhirlu li ma jaqbilx maghhom ghandu kull dritt. Pero hadd ma ghandu dritt izomm lili milli naghmel hekk. Ghandekk kull dritt taghzel liema karozza trid, imma int min int biex tghid lili x'karozza naghzel? Dak taghlim eh..........issa lil uliedi, la dahalthom fl-istorja inti, hekk naghllimhom mela, kif ikunu intolleranti lejn l-opinjoni u gosti ta haddiehor u jekk hemm bzonn jispiccaw bl-insulti wkoll. Prosit tassew habib. You make a fine teacher for my kids.

Franco Farrugia

Oct 22nd 2009, 11:56

Lil Christopher Galea - Jekk nirbah karozza lussuza narmiha? Ma narmhiex, imma nara kif naghmel u nehles minnha ghax nisthi nuzaha!
Jekk inti trid tmur ic-cirku, mur, allavolja tkun qed taghti ezempju hazin hafna lil uliedek u lil min jarak diehel. Tkun qed turi kemm ma taghtix kaz il-bzonnijiet tal-annimali. Tkun qed turi kemm ma taf xejn fuq x'qed jigri madwarek. Tkun qed turi kemm m'intix lest li tiftah mohhok fuq dak li JISSUGERIXXU dawk li, bir-rispett kollu, jafu ftit iktar minnek fuq x-qed jigri. Allura, int m intix kapaci li tidhol fl-internet ha tara fuqhiex qed nitkellmu? U int tahseb li se tara l-annimali fi stat naturali meta jkunu qedin jghinuk tiddeverti u tiehu gost fic-cirku? Kemm int sejjer zbaljat, siehbi! Mela mur, hu pjacir, minghalik, imla halqek bil-popcorn u carrat halqek ghax tara xi annimal tiela fuq iehor li diga qieghed fuq ballun! Jew iddiehaq b'dak l-annimal li libbsuh xi libsa biex jidher qisu bniedem.
U int, sur Galea, peress li tant thobb taghmel li trid u trid tiddeverti u thobb ic-cirku, ghaliex ma tmurx int tilbes ta xi buffu, jew tilbes ta xi annimal u taghti gost lil uliedek u lil dawk li jarawk?

Franco Farrugia

Oct 22nd 2009, 11:50

At Mark Mifsud Bonnici - Ghalija, l-annimali niddefendihom fuq l-istess livell li niddefendi bnedmin vulnerabbli, bhal anzjani, trabi, u dawk neqsin mis-sens ,,, ehem!!!!!, u impossibbli li nikkundanna kull sezzjoni li nhoss li ghandha tigi kkundannata. Imma ghall-annimali, iva, insib il-hin ghax hekk hi l-ghazla tieghi u ghax hekk inhoss li hemm il-htiega. L-argument li inti tuza ta" l-abort u l-annimali tant huwa bla sens u bla raguni li ha ninjurah. Since you mention school and education, I am in a position to tell you that ever since hunters and trappers ridiculed themselves to that extent, viz. protesting about teachers educating their students in favour of respecting animals, more and more teachers have jumped on the wagon of teaching such positive aspects of nature with their students.
Furthermore, if you think that students - of any age! -are the kind to allow themselves to be indoctrinated by their teachers as you so callously state, then, you certainly have no idea how intelligent and self-determined our young people are today! I, know differently.
Likewise, you do teachers a disservice when you imply that they resort to brain-washing! That is certainly not the case. We have other methods!

Christopher Galea

Oct 22nd 2009, 07:32

UUUfffff xi dwejjaq ta' nies intom!Ma tistax tiehu ftit gost b'dawn in-nies li hlief jindahlu fil hajja privata tieghi ma jaghmlux. .....tiekolx laham......mhux sew li gej ic-cirku........kontra il-karozzi.......tmurx timxi fuq il-blat ghax toqtol il-bebbuxu ta tlett irjus.......tuzah spray ghx tmut id-dubbiena.......etc etc!! Bhal dik il-persuna li tigi thabbat fuq sidirha favur l-annimali u hi stess ghandha skoss qtates imsakkrin gewwa id-dar taghha! Dik mhix mohqrijja jew? Jew dik il-persuna li hlief tiprotesta konta il-bini ma taghmilx, imma issa tghid jekk tired xi progett tal kostruzzjoni twaqqfu? Tghid jekk xi hadd minn dawn jerbah xi karozza lussuza jarmiha? Nahseb qatt ma siefru dawn, ma juzawx karozza u fis-sajf bl-imrewha jkunu ghax ma juzawx a/c. Halluna nghixu please. Jien bniedem li ma nhobx naghmel hsara fl-ambjent, imma hej, jien irrid nghix ukoll ta!! Iva jien sejjer ic-cirku halli jien u wliedi naraw dawn l-ispeci ta annimali li ma tarhomx kulljum. Haddiehor joghoqod id-dar please halli jkolli aktar spazzu fejn inmattar riglejja u nkun aktar komdu!!!

MARK MIFSUD BONNICI

Oct 21st 2009, 21:16

Franco Farrugia

"Human beings perform because they WANT to perform - it is their choice. "

Prostitutes and child labourers do not however I have never read your condemnation of such.

Does your animal welfare come before seeing to the welfare of humans?

For most animal welfare activists it does, In fact few object to a human foetus being sucked out of a mothers womb but they would raise hell if an animal circus came to town.

It is very good of you to let us all know what our children receive as part of their education, even more so after hunters protested about anti hunting indoctrination in local schools

Your suggestion of forcing your ideals upon the children you teach shows your extremism. Children are very prone to being indoctrinated. If circuses were considered cruel all would be banned, yet they are not. Simply because the hogwash you believe in is considered as hogwash by those that matter. Those that have the sense to distinguish between reality and warped beliefs.

Fabien Sant Fournier

Oct 21st 2009, 18:13

besides the animal welfare issues, what is also worrying is that circuses teach children that animals are mere commodities there for our entertainment.

A Bezzina

Oct 21st 2009, 17:19

I cannot for the life of me fathom what satisfaction or knowledge is obtained from seeing a creature who has mostly no inkling of the human race, performing banal tricks. They demean these noble animals. Watching them in the wild makes one realise what vthe circus is putting them through.

Mary Grima

Oct 21st 2009, 16:51

They will start telling us to keep away from the local butcher next or from Mcdonalds.

Malcolm Borg

Oct 21st 2009, 16:05

Everyone please watch the Youtube video posted by Patricia Cauchi. Silvio and JR Productions...this is on your conscience....everyone attending the circus...you are also responsible.
It is stupid of people to compare circus animals with dogs. You use a biscuit to train a dog; a whip to train a tiger!
M. Debono circus animals are captive bred yes. But that doesn't deprive them of their need for space, social interactions and other instinctual processes. A woman can give birth in prison but that doesn't mean that her child will be happily bound in confinement.

Every circus abuse of animals. You CANNOT teach an elephant to dance otherwise. It is absurd, pathetic and sick that these things still occur in the 21st century and it is even sicker that people find them entertaining!

J Farrugia

Oct 21st 2009, 15:36

There are so many animals - dangerous animals in malta and no one lifts a whimper to protest against them.
I will go to the circus and woe betide those who try to protest in front of me.

Patricia Cauchi

Oct 21st 2009, 14:56

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVsuGOpvUxc
Please do watch this video, it says enough.

Franco Farrugia

Oct 21st 2009, 14:18

I also strongly suggest to all teachers to, immaterial whether the Dept. of Education permits or not, immediately discuss with their students and encourage them to browse the Internet and see for themselves how animals are ... well, trained!
I would have expected Dr Mario Spiteri not stick to what is merely legal but to honestly speak his mind about the matter.
In Malta, we really need an advocate to speak on behalf of animals.

Franco Farrugia

Oct 21st 2009, 14:15

As an experienced educator, I cannot but agree AND PRAISE these Animal rights groups. Circuses where animals are kept are not the place for education to take place. Educational facilities and centres such as schools should immediately start a campaign against this circus with animals being patronised. Students will then serve as a catalyst so that their families will also boycott this circus.
I suggest to those who think they are educated enough to call this 'hogwash' to really browse the Internet and see for themselves how these animals are 'trained' and actually forced, or rather, savaged by men in order to 'perform' for our own entertainment.
Finally, a comment directed at Mark Mifsud Bonnici, who as we know, is a hunter and who even goes abroad to hunt - his own words. There is a basic difference between performances of animals and those of human beings. Human beings perform because they WANT to perform - it is their choice. But animals have no voice in the decision and that they are FORCED into performing with various gadgets, electrical shocks and even corporal punishment. A very ridiculous statement, sir.

M. Debono

Oct 21st 2009, 13:39

@Chrissey Zammit

The animals at the circus are NOT wild animals, but animals bred in captivity.

If the circus stops performing, 2 things can happen to these animals:-

1. They are killed as they cost too much to keep, and no one is going to keep them for pets
2. They are released in the wild, and they die of hunger, as they are not capable of taking care of themselves.

Actually there is no option.

By performing in a circus these animals are kept healthy and by breeding them, one ensures that the animal does not get extinct.

For your information - the rhinoceros, big cats etc. are in danger of extinction, not because of circus, zoos etc. but because of poaching.

MARK MIFSUD BONNICI

Oct 21st 2009, 11:38

What a load of hogwash! For the same reason we should ban ownership of horses as these are all "broken in". We should also ban the joy of owning a dog as this is trained to do tricks and to obey on command.

As for circus animals, these are all bred from captive held parents that have been in the circus for ages. No animals are caught from the wild for circus entertainment without the competent authorities consent.

Abusing of any animal is wrong, but generalizing that all circus animal are abused is absurd. Would circuses with performing animals be in existance if their animal were being abused? Today's stringent control on animal abuse ensures no animal is mistreated.

Indeed some people might object to animals in captivity, they have every right to do so. But this right does not mean they can deny other people right to enjoy watching trained animals perform. We do after all find no objection to people performing tricks so why should we object to animals doing likewise?

Malcolm Farrugia

Oct 21st 2009, 11:29

Unfortunately these ngo's are failing to boycott establishments that provide various animals on display from time to time!

Marica Cooper

Oct 21st 2009, 11:15

One question - are these animals which come into the Island with the Circus subject to QUARANTINE and Rabies Vaccinations and titre tests and flea and worm treatment like my 2 small domestic moggies were???? Or perhaps like the Tiger these are exempt from everything and get special treatment??

One rule for 'them' one rule for us mere mortals!

Kate de Cesare

Oct 21st 2009, 09:52

I will definitely be boycotting the circus this year as it will be featuring animals, and I'll encourage all I know to do so too. If there was another circus coming to Malta without animals, I'd gladly take my kids, I'm sure they'd love it.

In this day and age, and with heightened public awareness about animal welfare, I'm surprised promoters still think its a good idea to bring over a Circus featuring animals.

Chrissey Zammit

Oct 21st 2009, 09:50

There is ONLY one place for these WILD animals, and that is in the WILD where they belong. This Circus MUST be stopped from performing. Taking these animals from their natural habitat is so damaging to the whole of the ANIMAL KINGDOM. It must be stopped