Teachers 'harming' hunting

P. Camilleri

Oct 14th 2009, 07:42

I am a teacher, and educating my pupils is my priority. Informing students about how wonderful nature is and about respect to other people and animals is part of the education I give them. Hunting is definitely something that I won't promote.

V Falzon

Oct 14th 2009, 00:24

@M Farrugia
I will certainly not teach "childer" the benefits of hunting, for the simple reason that there are none. Being legal does not automatically render an activity good. With that line of argument, I should teach kids to smoke, drink alcohol, cover themselves in tattoos, pierce every inch of skin with studs and rings, etc.

Nah, I think I'll stick to teaching good practices, as no doubt all sensible teachers will.

V Falzon

Oct 14th 2009, 00:11

@Mark Mifsud Bonnici
Despite the Least Concern label you so often quote, Turtle Doves across Europe have declined dramatically in recent years - ask any elderly hunter and he will confirm. Hunting is not the only reason for this decline, but for God's sake insisting on killing them on their way to nest is certainly not going to help recover their numbers! Hence: DOWN WITH SPRING HUNTING!

V Falzon

Oct 13th 2009, 23:45

In the light of FKNK's latest stand, I will actually be stepping up the emphasis with my students against the wanton destruction of nature.

Antoine Vella

Oct 13th 2009, 23:21

MARK MIFSUD BONNICI

"Any more proof of mind manipulation and indoctrination would be most welcome. I am preparing a letter to the Education Minister and would appreciate any more "decent human beings" to contribute more of their most enlightening comments."

You might want to tell her that teachers are also manipulating children's minds by indoctrinating them in maths and geography, social studies and history, languages, science and other subjects.

Before you do, however. you might want to look up in a dictionary the difference between manipulation and education. You'd save face, believe me.

Antoine Vella

Oct 13th 2009, 23:10

Francis Buhagiar
"...with the massages birdlife have transmitted to our children the number of hunters and trappers have incredibly increased. .."

So why is the FKNK protesting then?

r sammut

Oct 13th 2009, 22:15

Who knows where, this extreme abolitionist attitude taken by anti hunting teachers, is leading to? Is part of the wild behaviour manifestations of upcoming generations a result of their frustration? The taboo/suppression of all legal hunting taught in school is not the way forward at open mindedness in pedagogy!

The internet-literate new generations have the world only a finger tap away. When one day or the next they realise that some past teacher, whom they blindly trusted, misled them… they rebel! No wonder about the vibrant popularity of ‘Another Brick in the Wall’ still sung by teens!

John Matthews

Oct 13th 2009, 21:59

Straying somewhat from the subject in question, can Birdlife or any other ornithological group confirm that they do NOT have a birdsegg collection? If they DO have a collection, then they have taken a birds life every time they take an egg from the nest (allowing for those that did not hatch). Well come on then own up as you keep asking the hunters to own up.

Franco Farrugia

Oct 13th 2009, 21:12

These teachers are doing what is their duty to do. I, as a teacher, would not stop.

W Spencer

Oct 13th 2009, 21:11

@ Francis Buhagiar

Modern children have much more interest in environmental conservation, than their parents short sighted old traditional activities. The children live for the future, the parents live in the past.

Francis Buhagiar

Oct 13th 2009, 20:34

One thing is for sure that with the massages birdlife have transmitted to our children the number of hunters and trappers have incredibly increased. With their propaganda against hunters and trappers they have done more bad than good to our natural environment.
Frans buhagiar.

J. Borg

Oct 13th 2009, 18:51

best lesson children can get, is to

Visit nature reserves and watch birds rest and interact

then

visit bahrija, (with adequate protective gear) and get a dog fetch a blasted bird (hopefully unprotected)

guess they would soon make up their mind....

MARK MIFSUD BONNICI

Oct 13th 2009, 18:04

RichardCachiaZammit.

Fine way of sticking to the subject. Actually I did kill 10 doves in a couple o fmy 39 seasons there have also been spring seasons where I got none at all. And if you are really so observant then I will also state that once in 39 seasons i manged to get three doves in autumn too.

The doves I refer to are Turtle Doves listed under the IUCN according Birdlife International Data as being "least concern". The same Turtle Doves Birdlife Malta refer to as being endangered.

So really Mr. Cachia Zammit what is your point? Is it that autumn does not offer a "satisfactory solution" to spring since we already have the ? ECJ's confirmation of that. We also have their confirmation that most of Birdlife's arguments are nothing but a load of Gibberish.

As for the subject of indoctrination at schools, are you pleased to know my children are taught that their father is killing endangered birds during the mating season, as Birdlife would have us all believe.

Well now my children have the ECJ's confirmation that what they have been taught according to Birdlife Malta is gibberish

m farrugia

Oct 13th 2009, 15:44

Hunting has been around for so many years, still is and will continue to be. So take my advise teach and educate our children about Legal Hunting. Condem Illegal Hunting. This is what our childer has the right to learn.

Christian Sciberras

Oct 13th 2009, 15:22

Hunting is not evil.

It's outright useless and dangerous.

MARK MIFSUD BONNICI

Oct 13th 2009, 14:49

Ramon Casha / Jason Borg

Thank you for verifying exactly what we have been telling the ministry all along. This is exactly the proof she needs.

Ramon Casha: "all efforts should be taken to ensure the next generation does not follow in their footsteps. These teachers are doing their duty and teaching their students to be decent human beings."

Jason Borg: "Tghid mhux se tindahalli l-FKNK x'nghallem lit-tfal!!! "

Any more proof of mind manipulation and indoctrination would be most welcome.

I am preparing a letter to the Education Minister and would appreciate any more "decent human beings" to contribute more of their most enlightening comments.

Richard Cachia Zammit

Oct 13th 2009, 14:33

@Mark Mifsud Bonnici

You often quoted from your records that you kill at least 10 doves in spring. This was also confirmed by other hunters on this blog. Taking in consideration that there are some 14,000 licensed hunters (and I’m being conservative here), that should give a total catch of about 140,000 birds. And yet, the FKNK gave a total of 32,000 birds when reporting the number of doves caught in spring. Now that is less than 3 birds per hunter, practically the same number caught in autumn. And the ECJ wants this number to be EVEN LOWER to start considering any possibility of permitting hunting in spring. Reading posts on the FKNK forum you get the impression that hunters will be going out next spring shooting to their hearts content. And you want us to believe that what BLM says is gibberish?

Anthony Formosa

Oct 13th 2009, 14:05

Another cheap propaganda against hunting and a waste of time from education. Why not teach the children how to protect the environment on the first place, so that birds can find a place where to rest. Why not the teachers go to Ta Qali on Sunday afternoon and teach them how to leave the place clean before they leave.

@Jason Borg ;
Tghid mhux ha jkun hemm xi teacher u tindahalli xjaghmlu t-tfal tieghi fil-hin liberu, jew it-teachers jippreferu jaraw it-tfal jinqerdu fxi rokna.

@ Ramon Casha;
Please stick to your pro abortion subject so that the human will be extinct.

@ Alex Ellul;
Our children will be healthy and not gullible. As MMB said recently if you as a child from where a chicken comes, he/she tells you from the supermarket.

@ Chris Finch: I bet that the children will achieve the Diploma they deserve on this subject for a scholarship. FYI camo is a long existing fashion and whether you like it or not we enjoy it.

Daniela Farrugia

Oct 13th 2009, 14:00

@Jason Borg if you are a teacher!!!

Imma jien nindahallek x'tghallem lit tifel tieghi ta.

DVella

Oct 13th 2009, 13:59

GOOD for the Teachers . . . it's about time children are enlightened as to what a cruel and inhuman pursuit hunting and how disgusting the senseless slaughter of anything that flies under the guise of a 'traditional pastime is!

Joe Azzopardi

Oct 13th 2009, 12:51

As long a hunting and trapping are presented for what they are, ie. the killing and deprivation of liberty of birds, there is nothing wrong with it. If on the other hand hunters and trappers have valid arguments to justify their “hobby”, other then it being traditional, they should do so. Traditionally girls were betrothed by their fathers. Should teachers say this was right?

D Delia

Oct 13th 2009, 12:32

It seems that FKNK is clutching at straws.
So according to FKNK's philosophy teachers should teach pupils about the harms of smoking or excessive drinking just in case their parents smoke or drink.
What next?

C Micallef

Oct 13th 2009, 12:10

KEEP IT UP. This is like the case of pastizzi. Because cheescakes are a Maltese traditional food, it doesn't mean that we should encourage children to eat such junky foods. The same should apply to fireworks that are contributing to Climate Change because of the vast amounts of CO2 being liberated.

Anthony Formosa

Oct 13th 2009, 11:00

Fair enough, I have no objection if a teacher makes remarks on what is bad as long as they will not generalize. However teachers can also include the following in their curriculum:
1) Soldiers are bad because they kill people and wear CAMO GEAR
2) Mothers are bad because they commit abortion.
3) People are bad because they filth the countryside.
4) Muslims are bad because they slit the throats of the animals.

@ Alex Ellul,
Perhaps our children may not be Einstein’s, but at least they will not be gullible, what matters most that our children are raised healthy close to nature and enjoying their peaceful land, away from evils that offers today’s world.

@ Chris Finch,
As far as I am aware, environmental awareness is on the curriculum as part of the social studies classes. Sitting is a brick box in pseudo-camo gear and shooting birds is not.

My children planted enough trees, and cared for them without any cameras; teachers should teach the children not the leave a mess behind, vandalizing trees for BBQs, and wasting energy and water. Anything wrong with our camo gear? Or you prefer us with our trousers down to our knees?

Michelle Wood

Oct 13th 2009, 10:55

Good on ya all teachers who are getting on FKNK's nerves! Keep it up!

I like A. Ellul's idea. Only, what would they finance it with - proceeds from their hunts? And would classes be held at 5am in one of those little stone rooms?

What was Minister Cristina doing meeting with the FKNK? Surely she has more important things to do with her time?

Jason Borg

Oct 13th 2009, 10:53

Tghid mhux se tindahalli l-FKNK x'nghallem lit-tfal!!!

Ramon Casha

Oct 13th 2009, 10:52

Make no mistake about it, hunting is an endangered species. Any concessions are only permitted to avoid placing an unduly heavy burden on those who already have this vice, but all efforts should be taken to ensure the next generation does not follow in their footsteps. These teachers are doing their duty and teaching their students to be decent human beings.

MARK MIFSUD BONNICI

Oct 13th 2009, 10:46

Chris Finch

Just to let you know, Birdwatchers sit in brick boxes observing birds. hunters sit in hides traditionally known for centuries as Dwawar.

A. Mallia

Oct 13th 2009, 10:41

Maybe certain parents could learn from their children.

MARK MIFSUD BONNICI

Oct 13th 2009, 10:39

As is expected, the anti hunter will have a field day criticizing the stand taken by the Hunter's association. A meeting to discuss the issue with the Education minister has been requested years ago and has finally materialized. But the harm done to our children is irreversible.

They have been "educated " to see their hunter fathers as murderers, they have not been taught to distinguish between legal or illegal hunting. Just to see all forms of hunting as evil.

Their "learning" programme is part of a Birdlife education campaign. Can anyone in his right mind consider anything Birdlife has to say about hunting as having any educational value.

Government has allowed this form of indoctrination to go on for years. Hopefully now that several of Birdlife's "theories" are being exposed as gibberish, the education minister will realize our children have a right to the truth or at least to the right to form their own opinion without being influenced by known anti hunters.

Chris Finch

Oct 13th 2009, 10:11

It is more concerning that a minister this FKNK federation delegation.

As far as I am aware, environmental awareness is on the curriculum as part of the social studies classes. Sitting is a brick box in pseudo-camo gear and shooting birds is not.

Carry on teachers, you know what is right and acceptable in this day and age.

Alex Ellul

Oct 13th 2009, 09:56

May I recommend that hunters create, finance and run their own private schools where they can send and educate their children their own way and as they wish. I m sure these children will be competing with the Einsteins and Hawkings of the world.