Magistrate tells migrants: If you want to fight between yourselves, then go somewhere else

Dr Mark A. Sammut

Oct 8th 2009, 19:41

@mark borg

Dear Mr Borg

Please re-read the article. This was not the report of a FINAL DECISION, but the BEGINNING of criminal procedures.

Your comment is therefore baseless.

Regards.

Claire Busuttil

Oct 8th 2009, 19:05

I fully agree with the Magistrate`s words.

J Theuma

Oct 8th 2009, 08:53

Guests??!!! What guests? Guest is someone you invite. We don't even want them here!!!

Mark Cushcieri

Oct 8th 2009, 01:12

Dr. Mark A. Sammut - if the law is equal for all why did he get off with a warning ..for ATTEMPTED MURDER...!!!

A. Borg

Oct 8th 2009, 00:37

Total support to you Moses Mula.

A.Cortis

Oct 7th 2009, 23:06

Many maltese citizens who pay their taxes to have justice in our country are waiting for years for justice to be done with them due to the long list of pending court cases, and then we have these uninvited guests (to be polite) who come to our country because they are afraid to stay in theirs and come to fight between themselves here !!! So they are afraid of others fighting, but are not afraid to fight themselves. The result ? The pending list of court cases gets longer cause capable people like Magistrate Micallef Trigona have to waste his precious time on such cases. Let us do something for the good of our beloved country. I am sure that the majority of people in Malta are good hearted people, but are fed up with such hypocrisy. I am sure that even in parliament, the majority of the elected members acknowledge the fact that this situation is serious. Mela the pensions (of people who paid NI for so many years) are not sustainable, and paying millions of euros a year for these is sustainable ? I am sorry but charity begins at home.

JOSEPH A. ZARB

Oct 7th 2009, 21:50

Agree with the majority! Very Strong and mature comments! Proset magistrate!

simon cutajar

Oct 7th 2009, 19:04

Thanks to this Hon . Magistrate . good replay for what they've done and please send them back home PLEASE !

Simon cutajar

DVella

Oct 7th 2009, 17:01

Guests my foot!!! People who invade your space, at your in-convenience, without an invitation are referred to as intruders!!!

Manuel Briffa

Oct 7th 2009, 16:46

Magistrate "Look, if you want to fight between yourselves, go somewhere else!"

Somali migrant " Thank you your honour, but I was doing just that when your patrol boat stopped me and brought me here...so now I can proceed?

Tyrone Camilleri

Oct 7th 2009, 12:10

Guests...without an invite, I would have added!!

gaffarena joseph

Oct 7th 2009, 10:55

Magistrate Antonio Micallef,is feeling the pressure that these illegals are bringing in our country,
Thanks, your honour,
Wondering why we never hear such words from our minister responsible for them?

d. borg

Oct 7th 2009, 09:53

I agree with the Magistrate except for one thing. They are definitely not guests, guests are usually invited.

john micallef

Oct 7th 2009, 08:49

at least, someone up there is feeling the pulse of the majority of maltese and expressing the truth.

Charles Grixti

Oct 7th 2009, 00:09

@Moses Mula

Just because you emigrated to another country does not mean that you have to close your eyes to what is going on.

If you take off your rose-coloured glasses you will see that in Sweden itself, there are many problems being faced by the native Swedes because of the immigrants from Africa, namely North Africans and Somalis.

And there is a growing backlash to these immigrants, hoisted on the hard-working and peace loving population of Sweden by misguided, bleeding-hearts who think that everyone reasons like them. These people see your kindness as a weakness and despise you more for it.

From the horse’s mouth:

“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”

– Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN

The least you can do for Malta is not to comment at all. Now go and save the future for your children in Sweden.

Dr. Mark A. Sammut

Oct 6th 2009, 22:12

Magistrate Micallef Trigona has carried out his duty magisterially, if you allow me the pun.

The importance of his pronouncement lies not in the interpretation smacking of racism some Maltese would give it. Instead it lies in the emphasis laid on the rule of law: nobody, Maltese or foreigner, is above the law.

Ms Calleja seems to want to imply some sort of discrimination based on race or nationality inherent in this judicial pronouncement. But this implication is completely wrong. Actually, the pronoucement is based on the opposite reasoning: everybody is subject to the law, in equal measure.

Also, Ms Calleja seems to forget that there were other cases in which foreigners who misbehaved were asked to leave. Has she forgotten the case of 103 Croatian hooligans who were arrainged in Court in 2005?

I think such sleights of hand are not on.

Lastly, I do not think that the majority of the Maltese are really racist. The Maltese are merely worried that our 320 sq km of land can take only up to a certain amount of people - not more. The immigration problem is not one of racism, but of overpopulation and overstretching of limited resources.

Keith D'Amato

Oct 6th 2009, 21:50

Wow.. I bet saying that really scared him... hahaha

joseph cachia

Oct 6th 2009, 21:46

@ BOB ENGLAND.
With all due respect to you.


I do say well done and "GOD BLESS YOU " Hon. Dr. MICALLEF TRIGONA for your courage.
Agree with all comments re the magistrate honorable words.
We are not rascist nor discriminate, BUT WE JUST DON'T WANT THESE PEOPLE among us nor on any part of the island. WE don't deserve such horrible situation.
As for yourself (if you are in MALTA) you are OUR GUEST and WELCOME. We do our outmost
to protect you and treat you as best as WE CAN.
But pls n.b. The movment of many IRAQI's and AFGAN's to our shore's and huge part of the
2 million s in U.K. was initiated by the U.K/usa invasion of them countries. So those here deserve to be in U.K with the rest already there,where I beleive they have a right gained by the invasion that crippled their homes-their way of life and their jobs.
While we appreciate your comment to our quest to get rid of these people from amongst us
Thank You

Dr Francis Saliba

Oct 6th 2009, 21:28

When our own Maltese citizens defend the immigrants' illegal entry into this country we cannot blame the illegal immigrants for concluding that our other laws are there to be ignored just as well, and if they go the whole hog and proceed to kill, rape and rob. Hats off to any magistrate who disabuses them!

Joseph Schembri

Oct 6th 2009, 21:15

"Go somewhere else."

Go where I ask?

The same courts of Malta send these men to prison if they are caught trying to escape from Malta.

Just another case of the sad mess our legal system is in.

Joe Xuereb

Oct 6th 2009, 20:36

I don't think Magistrate Antonio Micallef Trigona is pronouncing anything extraordinary. He's only expressing himself with a modicum of common sense. One would expect that at least from a magistrate trained to mete out justice. Anybody worth his/her salt would do likewise. Unlless of course one is:

@ John Mangion. You can easily be an instrument of peace. Take some of these people under your wings, or better still, under your roof. You have good Christian values in abundance. I am sure that if they stayed with you long enough, some of your values will rub off on them. If you cannot put your money where your mouth is - excuse the vulgarism - then you can start praying by all means and let the rest of us do the talking.
@ Gabi Calleja. I bet you feel so much better now that you've got that off your chest and seen it in print (about our obligation to mete out whatever equally, whether one's Maltese or not). Why is it that I fail to be convinced. I'm not a bad person. And reasonable I like to think. So why is it that I fail to grasp your point?

Mark Cushcieri

Oct 6th 2009, 20:34

@moses mula
You must understand that Malta is not a rich western european nation..Malta can barely cope with its own poverty let alone help others...This is not about racism ..this is about Maltese families in need (below poverty line) are not being helped while the immigrants are getting everything for free..fine we help them feed them house them..but when we are treated as 2nd class citizens in our country people will get angry...but we can only help to a certain limit. Yes the goverment should do more...but not from our pockets any more. I'm sorry if it sounds harsh but that is the reality..we simply cannot tend to all the african immigrants even if we wanted to. Why doesn't Europe help? they just give us a pat on the back and say ....yes I understand there should be solidarity...where is this solidarity please?

c. camilleri

Oct 6th 2009, 20:30

Pls stop all this nonsense of help from Europe. Many European countries, especially where there is a socialist Govt, are all accommodating these people and that is why they keep on coming. In its program the newly elected Socialist Govt has offered them the right to vote and citizens to their children. So all those who are against the invasion of these illegal immigrants have to swallow their pride and accept the situation.

Sandro Pace

Oct 6th 2009, 20:20

moses mula

They rebel, (which they have no right to), we respond.
At these rates, it is not a question of integration.

What you term 'crying', are calls for help to the EU, however futile. Yet not even EU officials said to our government, what you have just said. Cause even for the Italians, enough has been enough.

Sense of proportion is not your forte.
The government can do nothing about what you called 'racism'.

moses mula

Oct 6th 2009, 20:17

To those who say that it is not their fault that Somalia is in the state ( or unstate) it is you are right. But keep in mind that it is not these peoples fault either that Somalia is what it is or that they were born there. But the world is unfair. While there are some company executives in some parts of the world who still keep getting their million dollar bonuses in spite of a worlwide economic crisis, others have to take to arms at the age of twelve instead of being given a chance to go to school. So some of you think twice before you speak because the little sacrifices you made to make ( if any) because of this immigration will never compare to what some have to sacrifice to have a better life. And your sacrifices are being done in Malta a democratic country you and me were lucky to be born in. Simple Logic. Why am I not living in Malta myself? That is another story.

moses mula

Oct 6th 2009, 20:00

Some said that the magistrate reflected what many maltese think. Even if this is true, which sadly I am beginning to believe, this happened in a court where personal beliefs are best kept unsaid. About immigrants in malta personally I blame the goverment as well but the reason why I do is that the goverment could not even come up with a structure to help the legitimate refugees with integration from the start, even when they were a few hundred. Instead he dumped them in detention centres which are in horrendous conditions. The goverment must have known that more immigrants would land in Malta but instead of coming up with intelligent solutions, when the number got higher he went crying to the E.U. like an immature baby. When people are treated this way they rebel, espescially people who were always forced to rebel because of the condition their countries are in. Furthermore the goverment should have taken into account the amount of racism in our country. If the goverment does not start reacting fast we will end up a segregated country and sadly even with conflicts. So if you want the E.U. to take you seriously do your job.

c. camilleri

Oct 6th 2009, 19:32

@Noel Mangion. " Perhaps Gonzi has not gutts to say such things." But we also heard nothing from Joseph. Perhaps he is afraid of alienating his Socialist friends who are offering them the right to vote and citizens to the children. Did you notice their celebration in Greece after the Socialist victory.

Stephen Farrugia ( Rightwing)

Oct 6th 2009, 19:29

What a great magistrate.

Mark Cushcieri

Oct 6th 2009, 19:16

In other cases of attempted murder people get over 10 years prison..
In other countries immiediate deportation are handed down in these cases. Its attemtped murder after all and the person assaulted is in a grave condition.

Trevor Lorenzo Mizzi

Oct 6th 2009, 19:15

@ R Micallef,

The Somalis can go to the place they just left to invade Malta, namely Libya and do their savage shenanigans over there.
No one should make excuses for their lawlessness, they are costing us enough money as it is, not to mention the affront to our culture.
Bully on the magistrate.

Nmc Mangion

Oct 6th 2009, 19:09

@Franco Farrugia: I know we have a President you think i live in space.
mela for prime minister because Gonzi dont have the guts to say such things.

Bob England

Oct 6th 2009, 19:02

@Charlie W
How right you are Charlie. I feel like an guest - an unwanted one at that - in my own country.
At the last estimate there were over 2,000,000 illegal people living in the UK right now.

Marce Dingli

Oct 6th 2009, 18:58

@John Mangion. Trid tghin ruhek biex Alla jghinek u kun infurmat li s-suicidju dnub li ma jinhafirx. B `dawn l immigranti illegali fostna ( u illum gew 105 ohra) suicidju qed naghmlu.

Jason Coleiro

Oct 6th 2009, 18:53

Top Notch magistrate, only people like you can make a difference. and they ARE unwanted guests.Instead of defending them only some people must know the real story behind this migration, its not only war in their countries but something more alerting concerning our lives.But obviously since i am not in magistrate position and i am a simple citizen i cannot express and say what's really happening cos i will definitely go in jail in this so called democratic or whatever they say Malta is.

fbonello

Oct 6th 2009, 18:45

Prosit sur Magistrat !! Mank ghandna xi nofs tuzzana bhalek !!!!

Charlie Fenech Worthington

Oct 6th 2009, 18:24

Strong words maybe but you need strong action as words do little. Ask any Englishman who has seen his country totally changed

Cedric Busuttil

Oct 6th 2009, 18:15

Very well said Magistrate Micallef Trigona !! You got our respect for your guts & your stand on this issue!!

C. Busuttil

Oct 6th 2009, 17:38

@R. Micallef
Insulting my foot, Somalis should be thankful to this country for giving them shelter, if their country is in a hell of mess its not our fault. I am convinced that they don't want to solve this mess in Somalia. If their approach to solve problems in their country is as their behaviour in ours they are responsible like the rest. Somalis are the worst of all illegal immigrants that arrive, probably among them might hide some criminal who has committed all sorts of crimes in his country.

Charles Zammit

Oct 6th 2009, 17:37

I would add unwanted guests more than just guests.

J. Mercieca

Oct 6th 2009, 17:36

He should be appointed judge. This is a man with more gall than our politicians.

Franco Farrugia

Oct 6th 2009, 17:16

@ Noel Mangion: We already have a President.

lgalea

Oct 6th 2009, 17:10

Gonzi you heard the magistrate. Now what are you going to do to rid us of all the illegal immigrats?

C.ZARB

Oct 6th 2009, 17:08

Well done Mr Micallef Trigona. If they want to fight then they could as well remained where they were.

David Muscat

Oct 6th 2009, 17:07

Well said. They're bringing their war to our country. So much for escaping persecution.

@the dogooders

The magistrate said what most Maltese feel and think. You'll have thought differently had you been hit by one of the stones they were throwing on Saturday night.

Roger Eler

Oct 6th 2009, 17:03

They are guests.... UNINVITED GUESTS!

MSciberras

Oct 6th 2009, 16:50

Ahh but there is s slight problem isnt there? Now they are in Malta and they try and go somewhere else, as the emminent judge has told them, they will end up before the same court for trying to leave the island illegally........because once here, that is the only way these people can leave, given that most immigrants that land on our shores can only qualify for humanitarian refuge, which means refuge in Malta and Malta alone.

john mangion

Oct 6th 2009, 16:44

i agree with gabi calleja and r micallef.
let us pray.
lord make me an istrument of peace.
ghamilni strument tal-paci tieghek.

malcolm seychell

Oct 6th 2009, 16:43

Let us give him gih ir repubblika. Well done for saying the simple truth.

Denis Catania

Oct 6th 2009, 16:42

The magistrate is 100% right. I commend Magistrate Antonio Micallef Trigona for his brave actions.

louise vella

Oct 6th 2009, 16:41

Where are the NGOs? Why are they silent?

Roderick Cristina

Oct 6th 2009, 16:32

Well said! PROSET! people like Magistrate Antonio Micallef is what we need and who defends our country against these needs all our support!

Nmc Mangion

Oct 6th 2009, 16:28

Antonio Micallef Trigona For President

louise vella

Oct 6th 2009, 16:27

Or as I would put it: "Go somewhere else anyway".

Joe Grima

Oct 6th 2009, 16:25

Well Said. Magistrate Micallef Trigona has now set the yardstick by which criminal elements within the illegal immigrant community are to be measured. The magistate's message is clear enough: You either behave or you're out.

m azzopardi

Oct 6th 2009, 16:24

Very Big Prosit to the Magistrate...May our government adopt the same attitude !!!!

R.Gauci

Oct 6th 2009, 16:20

Well said Dr Micallef Trigona just one correction they are not guests.

James De Giorgio

Oct 6th 2009, 16:14

May the state adopt this attitude and more!

P Debono

Oct 6th 2009, 16:12

Finally someone with the guts to come out and speak the truth.

joe vella

Oct 6th 2009, 16:02

thank god at last we have somebody who can stand on his own two feet and bugger all
drs gonzi, borg, mifsud bonnici - need the message be clearer? pse make an effort to emulate the respected magistrate

jmicallef

Oct 6th 2009, 15:58

Well said, Mr. Magistrate.

If these ppl have the energy, will and need to fight, then they should stay home and fight for their rights instead. Maybe they will make their homeland an habitable country one day.

MarioAzzopardi

Oct 6th 2009, 15:48

well done. magistrate Antonio Micallef Trigona deserves a medal. Now he should deport them. if they want to fight send from were they came.

Mike Farrugia

Oct 6th 2009, 15:41

That's the problem. Unless they are declared refugees, they are stuck. they cannot go anywhere. And we are stuck to by having to subsidise them and their families forever.... or until they attempt to escape.

Charles Caruana

Oct 6th 2009, 15:34

Very Well Done Mr.Magistrate. Will this warning be followed?

R Micallef

Oct 6th 2009, 15:32

It is insulting, since Somalis have nowhere else to go. To call them guests is sarcasm, given the way they are treated in the detention centres and ´hosted´ after release. Somalia has been a lawless state for more than 18 years, so these people have not known the rule of law, and have gotten used to fend for themselves violently. They have to be educated to the rule of law, not lectured at.
This does not mean that violent behaviour is acceptable and that the cases should be condoned or treated lightly.

R.J.Costigan

Oct 6th 2009, 15:31

Well said Mr. Magistrate. KEEP IT UP. We are behind you.

I hope that there wan't be a 'graffiti' or someone else who opens his
mouth against this magistrate. I'm saying it in maltese:-

Kien kuragjuz u haqqu kull tifhir, qed ihoss il-polz tal-poplu.

You are guests here.

M Xuereb

Oct 6th 2009, 15:30

Admirable. Well said, Sir! Guests in our country should learn how to treat us and one another with respect.

Gabi Calleja

Oct 6th 2009, 15:27

While migrants are equally responsible and answerable to society should they break the law, they should not be held to a different standard to other members of society. Maltese citizens who are involved in brawls, fights, arguments and even murder are not told that if they do not behave then they should leave the country and go elsewhere.

Sunny Said

Oct 6th 2009, 15:27

Well Done to the magistrate! After all he's being fair. In Malta we don't have religious fights... so keep them to yourself and fight them somewhere else.

It's not our problem that you ended up in Malta.

Totally agree with J. Grima

Franco Buttigieg

Oct 6th 2009, 15:26

This must be one of the few times that I totally agree without question with the views being expressed by our law courts. Personally knowing Magistrate Antonio Micallef Trigona such a warning would be out of character in normal situations, leading me to understand that the local courts must have had its fair share of problems deriving from these immigrants.

Well done Magistrate for finding the courage to express your views, I hope that others also do the same and make their voice heard.

To our guests I say “Please respect our culture and legal system in the same manner as we respect yours while guests in your country”.

duncan Tanti

Oct 6th 2009, 15:23

may god be wih you Mr micallef Trigona
Most of the maltese agree with you

M Borg

Oct 6th 2009, 15:22

Finally! Some good strong words!...the same feeling being felt by most citizens!
Well done magstrate!

Deo Catania

Oct 6th 2009, 15:20

No they are not 'guests', guests are invited people, these just come here themselves, they are illegal immigrants and not wanted by the majority of the Maltese.

Chris Grech

Oct 6th 2009, 15:17

proset... keep it up... that's what we need...

nies hekk irridu fit tmexija sabiex dawn in nies ma jibqghux jghamlu li jridu bina!!!

joseph galea

Oct 6th 2009, 15:14

Well said Mr. Magistrate.
These people have to realise that as much as they have rights they have obligations.
And this has nothing to do with creed or colour. It is basic human etiquette and comportment.
joe the plumber

Ron Zammit

Oct 6th 2009, 15:06

Well done. Thats the attitude we need to adopt if they need help and we can give help, they get it. But they have to conform, with our system not vice versa.

J. Grima

Oct 6th 2009, 15:04

Very strong and wise words from a Magistrate. Hope this is a start to something, because the illegal immigrants have really started to take us for granted.