Gay rights activists ask MPs to discuss same-sex marriages

Joe Xuereb

Oct 2nd 2009, 10:49

Good Morning all. And how are you today?
I note that a number here are still against gayness even though it is 2009 in a Western democratic state withing the European Union. I have a little task for you. If you have the strength of your convictions (ie against homosexuality), could you please tell me what it is about it they you find so distasteful? I promise I will be as gentle as I can. That said, it could be a bumpy ride so I would advise you to fasten your seat-belts. I am sorry but I am feeling fragile this morning so I can not take more than ten at a time. The homosexuals among you who hate yourselves for being so are particularly welcome. Speak to you later my little chicks.

Martin Spiteri

Oct 1st 2009, 11:53

@john smith(2)

I do feel sorry that you have been so brain washed with your so called "sacred scriptures" and what popes say!

I have nothing to do with both, they are neighter sacred nor holy. Sacred are only human rights which bring harmony equality amongst peoples.If you read carefully we have all been led astray with prayers and scruples built through times. I feel sorry for genuine people who honesty fall victim to church doctrines and misguided. The bible is full of such events. One particular mention is the story of david who was aked by Saul to bring back 100 foreskins of philistines to show how much he respected him.He returned with 200!!!! I feel sorry for the unfortunate philistines who ended being talked about in the bible as losing their genitalia to please God!!!! TAL BIZA this is like a horror movie. Christ was many times criticising such events and called upon the jews as law abusers and did only what pleased themselves. How funny they managed to bring most of humanity against them. God never chose such people they created a mob of vice and a cartel of abuse blessed by God!!!!

Martin Spiteri

Oct 1st 2009, 11:40

@john smith
your problem is that you are a yes man. you are too much faithful to a leader of an organisation who decides where to lead. I was born a christian , not by choice but by birth.When I read history, I feel ashamed at the atrocities committed by our catholic church and christians in general. I was too misled when i was younger , but today i seek the truth as much as I can. I refuse to be led through my nose. What the pope says and decrees can be at times good and can be at times abusive and arrogant and sociological unjust. The church has no right to intervene on governments when they legislate to safe guard citizens rights.
If the church feels uncomfortable with gay rights , that is another issue, but many gays have nothing to do with the church so they have no responsibility and jurisdiction over them. The pope does not condemn muslims because they have 6 wives. They belong to other religions. Likewise gays do not fall under any pope because they feel betrayed by a church who is full of homosexuals and are too blind and hypocritical to seeit

Martin Spiteri

Oct 1st 2009, 00:11

@ john smith (3)

sadly I see the way you quothe the book is very jehova witnesses style. I feel sorry for those members who live like calculaters with numbers and saying how many will God allow to inherit heaven. It is obscene to hear them quothe the bible. Try logic and reason and you will see the Real God. The God of truth. Stop portraying God as the punishing God. God does not punish God loves. Anyone who does wrong to society in general will pay himself because his own acts condemn him not God. God doesnt want us to perish and because humanity was astray he had to redeem us all. The Jews did not like this new God , the God of love , they prefer to have a God with missiles atomic heads to crush off their enemies. That is the real God of the Jews. Try to see God in a loving way and there is one quothe from the book of wisdom, God has revealed his greatest secrets to the meek and lowly.
Homosexuals are varied and they too are called to participate in a comunity of love. THOU SHALLT NOT JUDGE!!!

Martin Spiteri

Oct 1st 2009, 00:05

@ john smith (2)

Past fathers of the church were forbidden to study the bible because they considered it a very dangerous book. They were right, it is a very dangerous book. IT has to be carefully studied because it was written in the contest of time and according to the method of understanding of God in those days. The bible is full of serious mistakes about humanity. The bible discriminates between people! The chosen people !!! there is no such things as a chosen people. That was the jews who declared that they are the one and only. how can God ever creat peoples who some of them are more super than the other? I do not want to know that God , That is a terrible God who orders mass execution, comparable to Hitler. There is no such God , There is only the God of love who created humanity to love one another, but since peoples snub one another written stories of how priviledged are they abover others. Gays are in God's plan once they exist. Who ever tries to negate this is doing a grave sin. They are called to love and love they shall.

Martin Spiteri

Oct 1st 2009, 00:00

@ john smith

what you are doing is reading the bible ad litteram. The bible is a very dangerous book written by humans thousands of years ago and written in the style and psychological background of those days. If you are going to do the same then you will put Galileo back to hell, just for the record the other pope lifted him up from hell because 400 years later the pope realised as he came out of his daily shower that Galileo was in fact right!! so he decided to rehabilitate him. When the pope realised that Luther too was misjugdged he decided to start talking about him to the dismay of many fundamentalistic members of the church. What st paul is saying is all coming from his head. Nothing to do with God. The church is scared to admit that St Paul has made a mess of marriage and sexual acts. He was too obsessed with the law. He was murdering christians because he was an extremist in the jewish law then he went into another extreme. His theology while full of passionate arguments displays negativeness of the sexual act even by heteros. He was a qualified Albigesian

John Smith

Sep 30th 2009, 14:50

@M.Pace:: Good to note that the Christian Church teaches us that our...respect..for homosexual..persons cannot lead in any way to the approval of..homosexual behaviour or to legally accepts the recognition...of...homosexual unions, but we must prevent this burden in our society with great caution.....O.K.....The common good requires that our laws be recognized, promote and protects marriages of man to a woman as the basis of the family, the primary union of society. However, the Legal recognition of homosexual unions or placing them on the same level as marriage would mean not only the approval of deviant behaviour, with the consequence..of...making it a model in present-day society, but would also obscure...basic values which...belong to the common inheritance of humanity.

Pope Paul VI on 7th December, 1965) stated “In the depths of his conscience, man detects a law which he does not impose upon himself, but which holds..him to..obedience. Always summoning him to..love good things and avoid..evil, the voice of conscience when necessary speaks to his heart: shun that......For..man..has in his heart a law written by God; to obey it is the very...dignity of...man; according to it he will be judged......(not..by..Human)[Mathew..Chapter 9: Verse..39] Conscience is the most..secret..core and sanctuary of a man.

John Smith

Sep 30th 2009, 14:37

@M.Pace::Do explain to us as we don't know.....But I will tell you one thing and that no community could exist without legislation and rules of conduct which have to be observed and followed by all----O.K.. Then we do have the Christian or Catholic Church which is no
exception.
So the Church laws appeared early that those made by Civil law. Despite the denunciation of the “old law”, St. Paul, in his writing to his converts (like me), sets down lengthy lists of moral and disciplinary directives to be observed, just as those that I mentioned in my comments.

He interprets Christ’s teaching about marriage and we know what Christ said on marriage between man and woman and not man to man or woman to woman - hope this is clear.

If a pagan spouse, I repeat [not a catholic, but a pagan!!] refuses to continue in her married life with a Christian convert, Paul, on his own authority, solves the case with the “Pauline privilege”, which is still effective in Canon Law and can still be applied. [to continue.........]

John Smith

Sep 30th 2009, 14:35

@M.Pace::Do explain to us as we don't know.....But I will tell you one thing and that no community could exist without legislation and rules of conduct which have to be observed and followed by all----O.K.. Then we do have the Christian or Catholic Church which is no
exception.
So the Church laws appeared early that those made by Civil law. Despite the denunciation of the “old law”, St. Paul, in his writing to his converts (like me), sets down lengthy lists of moral and disciplinary directives to be observed, just as those that I mentioned in my comments.

He interprets Christ’s teaching about marriage and we know what Christ said on marriage between man and woman and not man to man or woman to woman - hope this is clear.

If a pagan spouse, I repeat [not a catholic, but a pagan!!] refuses to continue in her married life with a Christian convert, Paul, on his own authority, solves the case with the “Pauline privilege”, which is still effective in Canon Law and can still be applied. [to continue.........]

John Smith

Sep 30th 2009, 13:43

@Martin Spiteri:Well, I think I do need to explain further my points which I raised from the Archbishop now present Pope: In other documents one notice that this could include that “No one should give moral justification to their act, (neither can you accuse me of judging others as I just was quoting what the Bible/Pope said!!! but one should be given a helping hand to over come these condition's Sacred...Scripture they are...condemned as a serious depravity and even presented as the sad consequence of rejecting....God. That is why God...left them to their filthy enjoyments and the practices with which they dishonor their own bodies....since they given up Divine truth for a lie and have worshiped and served creatures instead of the Creator, Who is blessed forever. That's why God has abandoned them to degrading passions; why their women have turned from natural intercourse to unnatural...practices and why their menfolk have given up natural intercourse to be consumed with passion for each other, men doing shameless things with men and getting appropriate reward for their perversion”..Not..My...WORDS...But...[Romans Chapter 1 Verses 24 to 27] and also 1 Cor. chapter 6 Verse 10 or 1 Timity chapter 1: verse 10]

John Smith

Sep 30th 2009, 13:32

@Martin Spiteri:Habbib, friend, amico, etc...Yes, it is quite true, as you said that God is very kind and a loving God, but.........one should not forget what St. Paul's said and he too made it quite clear to us in the Holy Bible...OK..., so if one reads 1 Corinthians Chapter 6 Verse 9 to 11, he said specifically and quite clearly telling us that through such behaviour one cannot inherit the Kingdom of God – .....[understand this carefully.....and think a bit]............he further stated “don't fool yourself”, and explained “As none will inherit His Kingdom if he remains indulged in sexual sin or practicing such acts.” He was referring to homosexual acts. Yet, many cannot or don't want to understand this fact, unless he realizes that he is on the wrong path to His Kingdom and we are all oblidged to enlight these persons with the true facts. So why are we all afraid to explain to such persons their prospective dangers if they don't follow the right passage towards the Kingdom of God. If this is neglected would we not be judged for our negligence from helping the homosexuals to follow God's freedom from their bad habit? READ....THIS...

L. Vella

Sep 30th 2009, 11:47

@Mark Borg.

The implication that we have sex with who ever we feel like an whatever we feel like is an ignorant understanding that you have. For your information if there is a case of someone having sex with children or animals, straight people are in the line as well.

Furthermore, you talk like this because people like you are not in the situation and can have whatever they want just because you believe it is what God wants? Based on a book that was written by man, God didn't come down from heaven to give us the book.

So if me or my partner are ever hospitalised I don't have the power to make a decision on his behalf? Just because you and people like you have decided not to give us that power? Whilst others commit all sorts of sins and can ask forgiveness and God will grant it because God is merciful? But because I chose to love someone I was born to love, and not intentionally hurt anyone I am sinning and won't be allowed into the kingdom of God. If that's what it will be like there, I'll pass.

J Farrugia

Sep 30th 2009, 08:40

I dont trust our politicians in parliament , where ethics, family life and moral values are involved.

Muscat Pat

Sep 30th 2009, 07:52

And I thought that Gays were avant garde people! When I was young and at the university gays used to shun the idea of people getting married! Who wants to get married nowadays?
Gays should have the full rights and do what they want in their privacy, but as far as I am concerned, marriage is about protecting and taking care of children. Every one has a right to begit children, but riding on the band wagon of kids right is a totaly different matter. It is not about morality either.

steve bajada

Sep 30th 2009, 07:48

any one has the right to express himself as he wants to but to ask for something where it is stated discrimanotry this is a big foul. altough i am not against gay's i need some answers for these few questions :
1- is it discrimantory to raise children in this disorder .?
2-do you think that you can affect them mentally?
3-do you think that it would be for a bad example to children where actually as nature made us man and women generated the whole world population.?
4-do you think that such sexual acts should be kept only by yourselfs ?
5-do you think that most of us has their personal problems and if you want to keep that you have to work for it to keep it as it is and dont ask for more. ?
i am not such an egoist but if gay's are open minded as they are saying i would only keep it private as possible. it is not a shame but is is an intimate situation where in my opinion no one have or need to show it to the normal world.

M Pace

Sep 30th 2009, 06:36

@Mr Smith
Your problem is that you cannot distinguish between canon law/doctrine/belief and civil law.

Please make civil law / secular arguments if you want those of us who do not subscribe to the teachings of the catholic church to listen to you.

This debate is essentially a deja vu: similar arguments were used when the state introduced civil marriage and decriminilised sexual relations between same-sex partners in the seventies.

Mr Smith, I could perhaps find you "amusing" if it were not for the strong suspicion that way back in the early 70s you would have argued just as strongly ('quoting chapter and verse) in favour of throwing into jail those found guilty of breaking the above-mentioned abolished law.

Martin Spiteri

Sep 30th 2009, 00:33

@ john smith (4)

unless you are trying to tell our prime minister or trying to frighten him with eternal damnation, just understand that eternal damnation exists on you because your interpretation of God is a negative one. God is love and you have never ever gave it a thought of what this love really is!!
Just read the Gospel how masculine it is!!! they brought him the adultress!!!! where was the other person who was allegged of committing sin with her? why only her? Christ was disgusted at the abuse and discrimination and interpretation of God. Christ disliked any form of human abuse, and you are doing this abuse by refuting to acknowledge that rights belong to all and not to heteros only!!
The prime Minister has a moral obligation to safe guard the nations minorities and comunities and He has the reponsibility to establish law and order in a way to make all comunities benefit equally of a good life in harmony. Discrimination brings hardships and in the end all suffer. Equal rights bring about harmony and peace.

joseph cachia

Sep 30th 2009, 00:17

@ L.VELLA
I do agree with your commets , too many national issues where the church interfered to the
determent of MALTA and the MALTESE been decided .

Church authorities never influenced my opinion, since at 12 years old I witnessed in ROME
what a grandiose / pompous life them church authorities live in. That was 60 years ago.

As to the same sex marriage, I beleive I do understand what it means and what nature intended for all humans-animals-plants and whatever exist.

Martin Spiteri

Sep 30th 2009, 00:15

@ john smith (3)

homosexuals around the world have made their decisions regarding religions. Most of them feel betrayed by a church who in its very structures is homosexual itself considering the way the framework has been constructed. If you need glasses to see the effeminisism of a lot of clergy, it is not the fault of gays. There is a place for gays in society , they have rights to form a union and they have a right to be protected by the law. There are so many homosexuals living around you in discretion that you will be astonished to know.
The state is obliged to cater for its people and to safeguard their welfare. If the governement is hesitating because of votes that is another story, but keep religion out of this. Religion should encourage people like you to stop this injustice and create further harmony and encourage and teach ANY COUPLE to love and to be faithful.
People like you generate pain and bitterness and should not be allowed to threaten innocent people who are growing up and finding their place and role in society.

Martin Spiteri

Sep 30th 2009, 00:09

@ john smith (2)

what you are implying is discrimination and exclusion from all the benefits society has to offer. you need to read good sociological books and not doctrine!!! all the religions have their doctrines like any other political party.
If one really believes in God there is only one path and that is true and honest LOVE. Love comes from any person and is directed to all. There are many types of love but they way you speak of homosexuals is fundamentalistic and instills discrimination and pain. It has created hardships in families because through people like you many homosexuals feel threatened and marry because they are afraid of being caught , Just because a person like you is harping what some pope wishes to say one fine sunny morning in the name of God.
Homosexuality has been with us from the very beginning of time and you will not stop any government from establishing laws which will make homosexuals secure and respected. They have a right for love with the same sex and if they wish to legalise their bond they should have the state to protect them.

Martin Spiteri

Sep 30th 2009, 00:02

@ john smith (1)

who are you to jugde? you have no idea what you are talking about. Nature is nature religion is another thing. Religions all believe in God yet they all contradict one another. If you for one moment read what the church states during its history you will find out so many contradictions. Many church councils contradict one another as the times rolls by. The Church is made of human beings and has the audacity to declare it speaks in the name of God. Why dont we be honest and declare that we have created a God in our image and not vice versa!!! God is diverse in his creations , and you dare fundamentalise his creation in a way you wish it and the way you want it . Quothing popes will get you no where. They dont want even condoms because it blocks your so called procreation. How stupid anyone can be by voicing what popes say! they have a set of rules, abide with them for all you like. You do not follow islamic law , they too see God as they wish.

C Vella

Sep 29th 2009, 23:46

@C. Attard

STOP Quoting something which is MAN-MADE and MAN-WRITTEN and FULL of errors!!! The bible is FAR from perfect... and that is why it's MAN-MADE... ONLY GOD IS PERFECT, and those who reason out and don't only see the tip of their nose KNOW that the bible is FULL of stupid stories... in Maltese I call them "tad-dojoq" ...u need to get down to earth and get a doze of real life Mr. Attard!

joseph cachia

Sep 29th 2009, 23:45

@ M.GRIMA

As you said it's a minor issue. Therefore is it the majority of all MALTESE to grant you the right
you are requesting.
Should the majority decide in your favour then the right is granted.
Should the majority does'nt feel at ease or feel to be insulted by you and others like you in their midst,then the right is declined.

Who am I and the other voters !! We are 399940 in number of MALTESE PERSONS opposing what you are requesting.
To convince yourself re the quantity number above , ask your next of kin.

moses mula

Sep 29th 2009, 21:47

@John Smith, with tears in my eyes and anger in my heart I ask, ARE YOU FOR REAL?

Mark Cushcieri

Sep 29th 2009, 20:01

it is a matter of referendum...if 98% of the population wants to live to certain commitments and values yes the other 2% dont have a right to do what they want..for ex if criminals are 2% of the population the other 98% can say it is unlawful to steal.
no.2 ..they can still go to USA or europe for ex. and get married.
no.3 ...if we give in a bit they will keep wanting more...what's next...adoption...a transgender having the right not to tell you he's actually a man and have sex with you and fool you.
i agree to limited cohabition ..but's thats all ..they can't be considered as a proper union since god himself create Man and women to procreate and not to have sex with same sex, kids, animals, and whatever you feel like.

Robert Scullion

Sep 29th 2009, 20:01

@C. Attard

Shame you didn't finish your quote with Steve, or did the Church not say that to you.
Still, you waste your life away following a 2000 year old book and failing church, I won't stop you. However will you sit back and allow others to live the life they want, rather than how you want them to live a life?

Kurt Mifsud

Sep 29th 2009, 19:38

Referendum... why??? Many people are still living 100 years ago unfortunately so it will be just a waste of money. Let it be legalised. I'm not gay so I'm not going to use it, but who is will just have the same rights and the same options as I do. No one is forcing me or others to use it!

Same issue with divorce!

John Smith

Sep 29th 2009, 17:40

@DrLaw..Gonzi:::>>Continuation No;2...........................he further stated “don't fool yourself”, and explained “As none will inherit His Kingdom if he remains indulged in sexual sin or practicing such acts.” He was referring to homosexual acts.

Yet, many in Malta and Gozo cannot or don't want to understand these facts, unless they realizes that he/she is/are on the wrong path to His Kingdom and we are all oblidged and in duty bound as to enlight these persons with the true facts. Don't fool your self, you can be helped, still remember it's not a sin, but God's eye one cannot enter into his Kingdom......this is not a joke, but take a good thinking of your situation, the Church is always ready to give you her helping hand, don't wait for others to lead you away from God, He does Love You all. On behalf....of.....God I send you His.....LOVE.

So why are we all afraid to explain to such persons their prospective dangers if they don't follow the right passage towards the Kingdom of God. If this is neglected would we not be judged for our negligence from helping the homosexuals to follow God's freedom from their bad habit?

John Smith

Sep 29th 2009, 17:34

@DrLaw..Gonzi:::>Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered towards an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as a objective disorder. Therefore one expects that special concern and pastoral attention should be directed towards those who have this condition, lest they be led to believe that the living out of this orientation in homosexual activity is a morally accepted option, but in fact it is not and we are in oblidged to help them more than ever.[Section 3 Para 2 Letter to the Bishops from Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger dated 1st October, 1986 and approved by Pope John II ]

Yes, it is quite true, God is very kind and a loving God, but one should not forget what St. Paul's said and he too made it quite clear to us in the Holy Bible, so if one reads 1 Corinthians Chapter 6 Verse 9 to 11, he said specifically and quite clearly telling us that through such behaviour one cannot inherit the Kingdom of God – he further stated “don't fool yourself”, and explained

Raymond Camilleri

Sep 29th 2009, 17:28

Asked whether the MGRM sees same-sex marriage as a realistic prospect any time soon, Ms Calleja said: "Currently, the two major political parties are proposing cohabitation rights but this is bare minimum legal recognition and is very limited in the rights it would give to LGBT couples. More is required and this is what we are pushing for".

.... Clleja is either naive or I don't know aht... the 'two ,ajor parties' make up 100% of parliament and yet not one of even dared proposing legislation about cohabitation rights in parliament..... NOT EVEN cohabitation rights!!! STOP believing them Gabi... sucking up to them will not change anything...

John Smith

Sep 29th 2009, 17:13

@DrLaw..Gonzi:::>Homosexual..unions are totally lacking in the biological and anthropological elements of marriages between man and woman who can form a family. So on these basis, on the level of reason, for granting them legal recognition.

Such..unions are not able to contribute in a proper way to the procreation and survival..of the..human race. The possibility of using recently discovered methods of artificial reproduction, beyond involving a grave lack of respect for human dignity, does nothing to alter this..inadequacy. [Congrecation for the Doctrine of the faith (section 7 para 1) and (Donum vitae 22n February, 1987) – Considerations and Proposals during an Audience by Pope John Paul II on 28 March, 2003]

Married couples ensure the succession of..generation and are eminently within the public interest, civil law grants them institutional recognition. One must agree that Homosexual unions, do not need specific attention from the legal standpoint since they do not exercise this function for the common..good.

It is neither..valid the argument to which legal recognition of homosexual unions is necessary to avoid situations in which cohabiting homosexual persons, simply because they live together, might be deprived of real recognition of their rights as persons and..citizens.

ingrid stafrace

Sep 29th 2009, 16:58

God also created overpopulation too and it looks like he/she created a solution by giving us a sexuality that does not produce children.......

Certainly not unwanted children

Conscenting adults = No crime, in the eyes of GOD who is magnificintly bigger than any church, or in terms of any just legal system.

John Smith

Sep 29th 2009, 16:52

“How does this God who is so loving and compassionate simply push a homosexual person away from His arms?”, Cardinal Adam Maida, Archbishop of Detroit, said: “I think what the behavioural scientists are telling us is that its not truly a paedophilia-type problem but a homosexual-type problem”. [Time, dated 5th May, 2002] So was this Gods' actual plan of human dignity and his actual attitude towards such persons and what are our responsabilities in this respect – are they being followed by humans or are we just twisting things to our needs? For this reason, I would like you to research further such comments and what we are to do regarding this matter.

We must all agree that “when God created men and women, He instituted the human family and endowed it with its fundamental constitution. So its members are persons (men and women) with equal dignity. Therefore, the common..good of its members and that of society must be noted. The family has manifold responsibilities with rights and..duties” (CCC refs: 2203) - Are we actually observing these responsibilities, or within our society or our families? The..family is the real foundation of our..community in this society!!

Joe Azzopardi

Sep 29th 2009, 15:13

We are all born equal in the eyes of the Lord. Let the church reflect that and ON THAT. Any person independently of her sexual orientation should have the right to live her/his life as long as this does not harm the collectivity.

C. Attard

Sep 29th 2009, 14:47

God create Adam and Eva, = n..... people, prime minister should not change what God created.

Robert Scullion

Sep 29th 2009, 14:27

@Joseph cachia

Why have a referrendum since its bringing rights to a minority and doesn't impact on the majority. Unless you're hoping that the Church will hijack it and doom it to failure.

@lgalea
Ah, your nonsense knows no bounds, even same-sex marraige is something to do with the EU. It might surprise you but your beloved MLP/PL voted for the Lisbon Treaty.

Tim Ripard

Sep 29th 2009, 14:26

This is not an issue for a referendum. It's about rights. Even if there is only a tiny minority who wish to get married to a same sex partner, they should have that right. There is no harm in same sex marriages, so straight people have no right to prohibit them.

M Grima

Sep 29th 2009, 14:06

A referendum Mr Cachia...and who are you or the rest of the voters to decide my future for me?. This is a minority issue and all we are asking for here is the same rights as anybody else. By your reasoning no minorities in Malta be they religious,political or whatever should have rights.That is nonsense. Malta must be a secular state and the same rules and laws should be available to all equally and yes that includes same sex partnerships and divorce.

lgalea

Sep 29th 2009, 14:04

Joseph cachia
You are right. This must be decided by a referendum not by politicians behind the peoples backs like they did with the eu constitution and the lisbon treaty.

L. Vella

Sep 29th 2009, 12:26

@ Joseph Cachia

When it came to a decision for entry into the E.U. a referendum was adequate as it effected all Maltese and Gozitans. With an issue like this I don't think a referendum would be effective as many fanaticals and extremists will be voting which will be detrimental as they are still living in the 1800s. Furthermore, it is ridiculous to have a referendum with every issue that emerges i.e. divorce, abortion etc. I have faith that the persons we chose to represent us will do what is beneficial and necessary for the future of the country's citizens.

Finally I think it's unfair that the lives and the future of gay people is left in the the hands of people who don't even know what it means or who do not understand but base their judgement on the dictatorship of the church.

Vanessa Mifsud

Sep 29th 2009, 12:25

@ John Falzon -

Maybe to make it clearer, the old term was hermaphrodite but it is now called Intersex. Daniel Vella gave a very clear explanation to it as well.

Joseph cachia

Sep 29th 2009, 12:06

Gay Rights--Same sex marriage.
The Labour Party and the Nationalist Party are discussing cohabition rights .Both Parties should once and for all agree that it is a matter for all MALTESE to decide, not a
a few persons from each party.
It's a very hot and important matter, therefore we must have a referendum and let the people
decide.
Whatever the spanish prime minister said is none of our problem , this is MALTA not spain,
and none other can or may decide for us on such internal matters.

Daniel Vella

Sep 29th 2009, 11:39

@ John Falzon

Intersex is used to describe a person with ambiguous genitals, and can have biological characteristics of both sexes, like the recently-made-famous Caster Semenya.

John Falzon

Sep 29th 2009, 10:32

I know what the terms gay, lesbian, bi-sexual and trans mean, but what does intersex mean ? Can someone clarify please ?