FKNK warns hunters

Sylvana Zarb Darmanin

Sep 24th 2009, 09:04

Mr G Debono, going round in circles and being insultive gets you nowhere! Having my comments being attacked shows that my messages are hitting home, contrary to what you state! Seeing that you cannot discuss in a reasonable manner, I will refrain from replying to your further fruitless arguments!

G.Debono

Sep 23rd 2009, 20:11

Ms. Zarb Darmanin

Mhux biex inkun xewka, pero nassigurak li jien mhux wiehed li jibla r-ross bil-labra u hafna mil-qarrejja ukoll.

Int ktibt "As YOU wrote" foldiri int ghalija bdejt tirreferi.

Fatti ma jbezzawnhiex u fattwali kont meta ghedtlek li int ma fhimt xejn min dak li beda jinghad. U din tigrilek ta spiss - tant int "Champion" tal-FKNK/Kaccaturi etc... li tikteb bla ma tahseb.

Sylvana Zarb Darmanin

Sep 23rd 2009, 09:20

Mr G Debono, in your previous comment you wrote: "Li qed JGHIDU hawn" and as such you were referring to what THEY write and not what YOU write. Therefore my comment referred to THEIR comments and not YOUR comment alone. Hence you comment is, as I stated earlier baseless and non-factual!!

G.Debono

Sep 22nd 2009, 17:52

Ms. Zarb Darmanin

Le jahasra ergajt ma fhimtx l-argument. Jien ma stennejtx "l-FKNK jkunu responsabli min kacca illegali". Meta, skond int, ghedt hekk jien? Qed tajjarni li jien ma nidhadditx b'mod fatwali, meta int int li mhux qed tifhem.

(1) l-Artiklu huwa fuq l-FKNK - Naqblu ?

(2) L-FKNK hargu twissijja - Naqblu ?

(3) Int ktibt tghid "The usual uninformed individuals posting "...."They are not even aware that a hunter must be a member of FKNK or other Hunters' Association before obtaining/renewing a hunting licence" - Miktub black on white, foldiri bil-fors naqblu

(4) Jien rispondejtek li int ma fhimtx x'kienu qed jghidu l-bloggers b'reazzjoni ghal l-artiklu
(5) Int tikteb lura u tghidli li jien "Mixing up facts whiile ..." ...." that YOU start facing facts and then start arguing in a factual manner!!" - Miktub black on white, foldiri naqblu zgur, le?

Ghandek ragun, jien qed inhawwad u nghewden "bhas-soltu" :)

Sylvana Zarb Darmanin

Sep 22nd 2009, 09:51

G Debono, as you wrote, poachers might not be members of FKNK. Therefore how do you expect FKNK to be responsible for these poachers? Mixing up facts whiile trying to portray me as not comprehending your arguments is patronising indeed, Sir! It is about time that YOU start facing facts and then start arguing in a factual manner!!

r sammut

Sep 20th 2009, 16:52

@G Debono
How true what you have expressed; these lawless individuals don’t give a hoot about anything. But you cannot deny that FKNK stand is not a sensible one! The trouble is that the other hunters’ association, not affiliated in the federation, is making things even that easier by accepting such individuals and keeping its silence about these and other matters.

The so called easy way out suggested by some commentators to ban all hunting would still fail to be effective against these criminals! Such restrictions will only fall on the majority of law abiding hunters!

G.Debono

Sep 20th 2009, 11:18

Ms. Zarb Darmanin

Li qed jghidu hawn, u issa jekk jghogbok ghamel sforz biex tifhem, huwa li ghakemm trid tkun membru ta' xi ghaqda tal-kaccaturi biex jkollok licenzja tal-kacca. Dawk il-KACCATURI li jisparaw lejn kull haga bl-addoc, ser jitmelhu min dak li tghid l-FKNK.

Jekk ma jibzawx min id il-ligi (li tista tnehhilhom mhux biss il-licenzja (ma xbiza!) izda s-senter, multa u forsi anka habs (yeah right, fl-annu mai!), allura kif tahseb int li ser jibzaw mil-FKNK statement?

Dak hu l-argument!

Licenzja u mhux licenzja, wiehed bis-senter jispara lejn ghasfur huwa kaccatur. Issa ghandek kaccatur li jobdi l-ligi u ohrajn li le (inkwantifikabli min hadd! hadd ma jista jghid jekk humiex hafna jew ftit ghax ma tkunx maghhom il-hin kollu!).

Sfortunatament il-ftit huma li jibqabdu ghax mhux facli la taqbadhom u lanqas tigi bil-provi.

Issa fhimt, Zarb Darmanin?

Ramon Casha

Sep 20th 2009, 05:58

@John Borg: In view of the hunters who are charged with "hunting without a license", often while being charged with other offences, I'm not sure they'll be terrified of the prospect.

carmelo aquilina

Sep 19th 2009, 23:48

Oh come on FKNK, you've had decades to adopt a zero tolerance position.... this is all political talk to try and ensure that tte EU thinks that strict conditions are in place for Spring hunting to resume. We wuld like to see action and not empty waffle !
Can FKNK name any instance when you've managed to get someone successfully preosecuted and banned from hunting or tarpping... or when somone's been caught red-handed and you have condemned it without excuses ? Let's see you join the CABS camp and start publicising cases when FKNK is repsonsible for bringing people to justice, then people will start believing you !

Sylvana Zarb Darmanin

Sep 19th 2009, 22:44

The usual uninformed individuals posting comments prior to informing themselves about the matter. They are not even aware that a hunter must be a member of FKNK or other Hunters' Association before obtaining/renewing a hunting licence. Please do write sensible arguments. Non-factual statements by BLM have been exposed by ECJ for what they are! Start being truthful for once!!

joseph bonello

Sep 19th 2009, 21:56

it is close season after 3pm but not at tal-providenza siggiewi

John Matthews

Sep 19th 2009, 21:20

To whom it may concern especially G Pisani

Why blame FKNK for things which its members probably do not carry out? FKNK cannot be held accountable for illegal hunting/poaching etc. This, in my opinion, is a matter for the police. As you are probably aware, FKNK has never condoned illegal hunting and, has always advised its members accordingly. It just so happens that now they have given the ulimate warning to the membership, which as previously stated, are not the probably NOT the ones who carry out these illegal acts

joseph lia

Sep 19th 2009, 21:12

From the mere handful of comments from the antis one can safely say that these readers are hell bent on ridiculing and abolishing hunting and trapping from Malta.
What I find fascinating and cements my hypothesis re the term 'antis', is the fact that the FKNK is publicly declaring to help curb illegalities. Yet even so, these small group of antis will continue to ridicule and continously whine about banning this and banning that!

The ECJ has given its final verdict, FKNK was involved at the fore-front of the defence, the verdict has come as a very sour pill for the antis to swallow....will they try to ban the ECJ as well?
Illegalities, unfortunately, are very difficult to eradicate (this happens everywhere, dear antis), with good enforcement and proper legislation, FKNK has the capability to lessen the few law-breakers who persist in such foolish behaviour, a behaviour that is detrimental for the thousands of bona fede hunters and trappers.

C. Attard

Sep 19th 2009, 20:31

This is the first time the FKNK is rattling its sabers against its own members. Have their eyes opened at last? So far they have blamed everyone for the situation against hunting...Birdlife, the police, the government, the EU...everyone except the hunters. Wasnt it obvious it was their own members that shot them in the foot.?

Lets all be honest here, the picture the hunters always try to portray in their letters is a fairy tale. Shots ring out in the maltese countryside even at forbidden days and hours.And is there really any Maltese hunter who discerns whether a bird is protected or not before he shoots? These cant be a minority judging by the figures of downed protected birds.

if hunters have been blatant enough to shoot birds at ghadira sanctuary and right in front of police/AFM, then what chance do they have of abiding by 'a very short and strictly controlled spring season'.

Do the EU know this, or do they think they are talking to disciplined Europeans???

Randolph Peresso

Sep 19th 2009, 19:23

well done FKNK. This is the only sensible way forward.

Julian Cassar

Sep 19th 2009, 18:58

Hi John, have you ever gone on a Sunday stroll in the country side an came across fully equipped wannabe US Marines hiding behind the bushes. I can assure you they did not just wet their uniforms after reading the FKNK press release, licence or no licence they will keep on hunting protected species, since time and time again our legal institutions have failed to deliver the needed Zero tolerance signal towards these rogue hunters. The FKNK declaration is welcome, but without a name and shame campaign / patrols against their own members, i am afraid the general public will still feel disillusioned by the actions taken by FKNK to stop the slaughter.

nyal xuereb

Sep 19th 2009, 17:42

well done FKNK, but the problem is that these few hunters who break the law do it without fear of the authorities, let alone their own club. even if FKNK will not renew the licence of these individulas, meaning no licence, they (these poachers) will still break the law. just reading the news give you the idea; most of those caught do not even have a licence and their shotguns are not even registered. so its always the same story; mal hazin jehel it tajjeb... and unfortunatley the bad ones are always the ones who win!

J. Borg

Sep 19th 2009, 17:38

Wow...more than ever now......

How many reports of illegal hunting have the FKNK and its members filed with the police?
Hunters were out in the countryside all year round up to recent years, thus they must have surely witnessed a commrade in arms shoot protected birds....& what did they do?
Nothing at all! Guess they must have been outnumbered!

The FKNK had spent years denying that illegal hunting occurs - even when faced with dead birds with shotgun wounds.....then when film footage was made public.....FKNK wanted everyone to believe that these criminals were just a dozen.

Well better late then never.....however actions speak louder than words!

John Borg

Sep 19th 2009, 17:19

@ julian cassar
probably you don't know that to a have a hunting licence first you need to have a valid membership in a hunting association; so no membership = no licence; and yes that's very 'scary stuff' for hunters
@G.Pisani
yes, but start where it is most effective, say Afghanistan, Iraq etc etc and then when you succeed and only when you succeed do it also in Malta ha ha ha.

Farrugia A

Sep 19th 2009, 17:16

Well done FKNK for the warning. But really this is smoke screen and you know it - tghidulhiex le ghax hadd ma jemmen.

If rouge hunters are not scared of the authorities (ALE/POLICE/LAW COURTS) and persist in their practices, what did you believe your statement will do to them, make them incontinent ?

Erin Ciantar

Sep 19th 2009, 17:15

When this fails spring hunting will be banned again. The E.U. just doesn't know the Maltese hunter and think they can trust them. How naive.

s schembri

Sep 19th 2009, 17:10

"it will adopt zero tolerance measures with any of its members who might persist with illegal hunting acts" .. what will they do to them? As if a hunter gives a damm whether he is a member of a federation or not !! Next time try to tell us a better joke FKNK.

Antoine Grima

Sep 19th 2009, 17:04

Mr Pisani , having people around with your mentality is more dangerous than owning a shotgun .

saviour cordina

Sep 19th 2009, 17:03

Our countryside has become the territory of a few privileged persons called hunters with everywhere written privat tidholx. I hope the Eu will keep an open eye on you if not at the elections.....

Juilan Cassar

Sep 19th 2009, 16:37

Zero Tolerance Measures - WoW - who ever thought we would have arrived to this, you may risk not taking part in the yearly FKNK tombola or even worse expelled. Scary stuff...

G.Pisani

Sep 19th 2009, 16:29

Collect all weapons and Ban hunting for ever, we can't go out in our very limited country side because of the 10% of the population has a gun. Make weapons illegal, this means no weapons can ever enter Malta. We will have a much safer country. Hunting means Killing not a passion!. Why should it be allowed?.