Vittoriosa Stars relegated

Tonio Vassallo

Sep 1st 2009, 17:28

@ KULLHADD barra is-Sur Dwardu Muscat : Ftit ilu cempilli il-mobile izda ma ilhaqtx irrispondejtu. Number ta' min cempilli ma mmarkax. Tghid kien is-Sur Dward ? Issa mhux se' nitlaq il-mobile min idejja.

Tonio Vassallo

Sep 1st 2009, 14:56

@ KULLHADD barra is-Sur Dwardu Muscat : Nirringrazzjakhom tal-messaggi u t-telefonati biex tikkomplimentawni ta' l-istorja li rrakkontajtilkhom. Ma bsartx li se' jkolli daqstant rispons numeruz. Ovvjament is-Sur Dward ma cempillix u l-anqas baghtli messagg. Pacenzja !

Edward Muscat

Sep 1st 2009, 12:24

@Tonio Vassallo

LOL! Moggi u Giraudo f'ikla ma' Montezemolo??? Questo e' il colmo!! LOLLLLLL!!!!!

Jekk hemm skwadra li suppost sparixxiet habba l-intercettazzjonijiet li ghamlet, falsifikazzjoni ta' passaporti, bilanci allarmanti, falsifikazzjoni ta' firem fuq dokumenti etc.... ma' nahsibx li hemm ghalfejn insemmi l-isem ta' din l-iskwadra minn Milan.....

Tonio Vassallo

Aug 31st 2009, 21:22

@ ALL, except Edward Muscat : Hamsa min-nies li jiffurmaw parti mil-kumpanija YOU-VEH ikunu ihawwdu kollha sabiex il-kumpanija taghhom dejjem takkwista aktar. Wara diversi snin l-awtoritajiet jissuspettaw li din is-socjeta' qed tiggwadanja b'certu ingann. Dawn il-hamsa min-nies ixommu li kien gej gwaj serjissimu ghalihom u ghas-socjeta' taghhom. Ghalhekk jiddeciedu li tlieta minnhom taparsi jirraportaw lit-tnejn l-ohra li qeghdin ihawwdu u b'hekk ihammgu l-isem glorjuz tas-socjeta' taghhom. L-awtoritajiet jiddeciedu li r-responsabilita' principali jehduha iz-zewg dirigenti MOTCHEE u GILARDOO filwaqt li jirrikonoxxu li s-socjeta' setghet kienet fl-ghama b'dak li kien qed jigri. Filwaqt li iz-zewg dirigenti jehlu sentenzi iebsa, is-socjeta' tehel il-minimu u fl-appell titnaqqas u terga titnaqqas. Filwaqt li d-dinja kienet ixxukkjata b'dak li gara lil din is-socjeta' , iz-zewg dirigenti li servew biex is-socjeta' YOU - VEH tigi salvata minn gharqa totali, intlemhu f'lukanda lussuza fejn bhala rikonoxximent dehru jassistu ghal dinner mal-bqija tad-dirigenti . Mothchee u Gilardoo setghu jigu meqjusa bhala eroj. Ghax kieku is-socjeta' YOU - VEH sparixxiet !

Edward Muscat

Aug 30th 2009, 22:30

L-ewwelnett nahseb li m'ghidt l-ebda sigriet meta ghidt li l-komplott kontra Moggi u Giraudo sehh internament, imma mhux biss. Ghax kien hemm il-kwistjoni Inter li ma' setghux ikomplu f'dik it-triq ta' insuccessi, u l-hbiberija bejn Montezemolo u Tronchetti Provera ssarfet f'dak li ssarfet. Infakkarkom li qabel it-2006 hemm intercettazzjoni ta' Montezemolo qed jghid li jridu jsibu mod kif jehilsu minn Moggi.

It-tieni nett, jekk jinhelsu Moggi u Giraudo iva niehu pjacir daqs li kieku hija rebha tal-Juventus, no. 1 ghax Moggi kien il-Juventus, u no. 2 ghax nirrispettah specjalment ghal dak kollu li ghamel ghal kawza Juventina. Minghajru, il-Juventus huma minghajr difiza. Bizzejjed taraw l-attakki kontinwi fil-media li hadd mis-socjeta' prezenti ma' jirrispondihom.

Nixtieq nistaqsikom ftit mistoqsijiet pero' qabel naghlqu..... 1. Kemm rebhu scudetti il-Juventus fil-fehma taghkom? 2. Kemm temmnu li rebhu scudetti l-Internazionale FC f'dawn l-ahhar 4 snin? 3. Veru li Moggi kien sakkar lil Paparesta fid-dressing room? Ir-risposti li taghtuni se jghidu hafna affarijiet fuq kemm intom "a corrente" fuq dan is-suggett, u specjalment fuq il-Juventinita' taghkom...!

Peter Gatt

Aug 30th 2009, 12:15

@ Edward Muscat : Jiena ma ghidtlekx biex taghlaq halqek, izda issuggerejtlek li zzomm sieket fuq dan is-suggett . Mela sabiha din. Kompli ghid sabiex " tikxef il-hsara li saret lis-socjeta' li dejjem habbejt " u sadatttant bl-istess hsara li saritilha qieghed takkuza li sar kumplott min-nies li hemm minnhom li ghadhom fil-klan juventin sa' llum. SEWWA QALULEK. B'dak li gara il-Juventus u l-juventini ta' veru ( xorta nemmen li int juventin genwin ) batew. Izda bi kliemek inti aktar qed taqbez ghal Moggi u Giraudo milli ghal Juve. Insellimlek.

JACOB MICALLEF

Aug 30th 2009, 11:29

@ Edward Muscat : mela aqlaghha fl-ahhar. Ikkonfermajt li ma ezista l-ebda kumplott minn xi hadd kontra l-Juve. Kwistjoni interna - Juventus vs Juventus. Issa jekk kif tipprevedi inti dan kollu johrog fil-berah igawdu biss Moggi u Giraudo, u mhux il-Juventus. U donnok inti se' tiehu pjacir. Ghalhekk jiena ghandi dritt aktar minnek nghid Forzu Juve. Ghax is-socjeta' ghalija hija aktar importanti minn kollox u minn kullhadd. Issa, capitolo chiuso, tikteb x'tikteb mhux se naghti kasek !

Edward Muscat

Aug 30th 2009, 00:07

Iktar ma' naqra l-kummenti taghkom, iktar qed tbellhuni bin-nuqqas ta' informazzjoni li ghandkom fuq dak li gara ezattament fit-2006. L-artiklu nassigurakom li fhimtu sew, anzi huwa wiehed biss minn xkora ta' informazzjoni li qrajt fuq il-komplott li sehh ghad-danni ta' Moggi u Giraudo, bil-konsegwenza li b'hekk kellha tbati l-Vecchia Signora u s-supporters taghha. L-awtur ta' dak l-editorjal kien gurnalist rispettat mar-RAI li llum gie mqaccat kompletament minn mindu fetah halqu fuq il-vicenda.

Il-hatja ta' dak li sehh m'huma hadd hlief Luca Cordero di Montezemolo bhala l-mohh ewlieni, u John Elkann. Li flimkien mal-hbiberija taghhom ma' Marco Tronchetti Provera, inqdew bil-kumpannija ta' dan ta' l-ahhar it-Telecom, kumbinazzjoni l-isponsor tas-Serie A, u gara dak li gara. U bhala ringrazzjament inghata l-ahjar plejer tal-kampjonat Taljan ghal somma redikola. Hemm hafna "ko-incidenzi" ohra, fosthom il-mod kif il-FIAT filli se tfalli, filli regghet hadet ir-ruh wara r-retrocessjoni tal-Juventus.

Hasra li ghadkom ma' tistghux tifhmuwhom dawn l-affarijiet. Sfortunatament hemm bizibilju Juventini ohra bhalkom. It-tama tieghi hija li dan kollu johrog mill-processi ta' Napli u tat-Telecom. U tigu hawn u tghiduli kemm kelli ragun.

Peter Gatt, halqi ma' naghlqu qatt biex nikxef il-hsara li saret kontra t-tim li dejjem habbejt.

MICHAEL ATTARD

Aug 29th 2009, 19:41

Gietni il-kurzita' u klikkjat fuq dak li ilu jitkellem dwaru Edward Muscat. Nghidlek il-verita' ma stajtx nifhem jekk kienx artiklu dwar il-Juve u sport jew xi elezzjoni tal-Padrino ta' Cosa Nostra, cioe' il-Mafja. Emminni, tkexkixt. Possibbli l-bniedem wasal sa' hawn. Bla rispetti ta' xejn. Povri supporters genwini li jahlu flushom jattendu ghal-loghbiet, jixtru il-materjal tal-klabb li jhobbu etc.

Andrew Borg

Aug 29th 2009, 18:26

Qieghed insegwi din id-diskussjoni interessanti. Impressjonawni ir-ragunamenti ta' Lawrence D. Attard u l-ahhar kumment ta' Josef Fenech. Is-Sur Fenech spjega l-artiklu iccitat minn Edward Muscat ezatt. Vera kaz ta' ET TU BRUTUS. Il-Juve ma' jistghu iwahhlu f'hadd ghal dak li gralhom. Edward Muscat, dejjem semma dan l-artiklu. Cara, izda, li ma fehem assolutament xejn. Lawrence Attard ukoll kien ferm bilancjat fl-argumenti tieghu. Prosit !

Josef B. Fenech

Aug 29th 2009, 15:42

@ Edward Muscat. Fettilli qrajt l-artiklu li ghidt lis-Sur Spiteri jaqra. Gieli ukoll irripetejt xi paragrafi. Sur Muscat, f'dak l-artiklu l-awtur tieghu kien carissimu. Nahseb izda li inti ma fhimt xejn. Hadd hlief nies li kienu jew ghadhom jiffurmaw parti mis-socjeta' ma huma kagun ta' dak li sofrew il-Juve. Glieda ghal-poter jidher li wasslet lil Juve f'hiex wasslithom. Glieda interna li ssehh f'kull organizzazzjoni kbira, partiti politici etc. meta jigu ghal karigi importanti li jridu jimtlew. Grupp kontra iehor. U f'kazi bhal dawn jintuzaw nies barranin ( normalment klassifikati bhala ghedewwa ) u sahansitra jigu kkompensati ( the enemies of my enemies become my friends ). Hekk jghid l-artiklu . Fil-fatt Ibra u Vieira akkost ta' kollox il-grupp juventin li rebah fuq il-grupp l-iehor ried ithom lill- Inter, bhala ringrazzjament u mhux lil Milan. Sewwa qallek ukoll Jacob Micallef. Missek qabel ikkwotajt dan l-artiklu, qrajtu, flejtu sewwa u imbghad titkellem. Taf min sofra siehbi : Il-Juventus u s-supporters juventini genwini BISS.

Peter Gatt

Aug 29th 2009, 13:41

@ Edward Muscat Ghadni kif spiccajt naqra l-artiklu. Issa ghandi l-opinjoni cara . Sur Dward, man min izzomm inti mal- Juve jew ma' Moggi. Sewwa kien staqsik Anthony Spiteri. Nerga intennilek , Shhhhhh .................! Altru minn juventin................ !!!

JACOB MICALLEF

Aug 29th 2009, 13:11

@ Edward Muscat : ma' kontx nobsor li kont qieghed tirreferi ghal dak l-artiklu li indikajt lil Anthony Spiteri. Parir naghtik, aqra, erga aqrah , aqrah sewwa u iflih u ifhem il-messaggi tieghu. Dik l-informazzjoni fl-ebda mument ma tiddefendi lil Juventus, bhala socjeta'. Anzi ........ ! Inghaqad mal-messagg li baghlek Peter Gatt. Edward, Sh !!!! Jekk tixtieq gid lil Juve.

Anthony Spiteri

Aug 29th 2009, 10:09

@ EDWARD MUSCAT -------- fl-ahhar indunajt. Juventin, wiehed biss hawn, u dan huwa Edward Muscat. U daqshekk, issa ikteb li trid. Il-Malti jghid, Ghasfur taqtalu denbu ghasfur jibqa.

Edward Muscat

Aug 28th 2009, 22:09

@Anthony Spiteri

Inzomm mal-Juve, u nirrispetta lil min gabilna l-unuri kollha possibbli li stajna nirbhu. Xi haga, li mid-dehra, intom il-"Juventini" ma' tapprezzawx. Int qed tghidli biex nirraguna, imma safrattant ghadek ma' tfajtx prova wahda ta' l-illecitu li ghamel Moggi. Jekk johrog liberu, ghalikom huwa diga' hati xorta wahda. Allura, tigi tghid lili biex nirraguna?

Sfortunatament, qed ninnota kemm hawn "injoranza" fuq il-farsa tat-2006 u ftit huma dawk il-Juventini li jafu verament x'gara. Ibdew minn dan l-editorjal miktub minn gurnalist li spicca mtajjar mir-RAI ghax kien beda jitkellem fil-berah fuq l-ingustizzja li sehhet mal-Juventus: http://www.dagospia.com/rubrica-2/media_e_tv/articolo-8757.htm - artiklu twil li pero' b'naqra pacenzja tindunaw min ried verament id-deni lil din is-socjeta' glorjuza.

Peter Gatt

Aug 28th 2009, 19:43

@ EDWARD MUSCAT ______ SH!!!!

Josef B. Fenech

Aug 28th 2009, 15:39

@ Edward Muscat - Min tahseb li int ? Mr KNOW ALL ! Ghax hekk taghti impressjoni.

Lawrence D. Attard

Aug 28th 2009, 14:14

@ Jacob Micallef and Anthony Spiteri - napprezza hafna li fehmtu l-argumenti tieghi. Ha nkun sincier, m'jiniex supporter juventin u l-anqas tal-futbol Taljan ( fil-fatt insegwi l-futbol Germaniz u inzomm ma' Bayern Munich ) izda rrid nghid li supporters bhalkom it-tnejn, avolja iffissati ma niddejjaq qatt nitkellem maghkhom. L-abjad tghidulu abjad, u l-iswed tghidulu iswed. Sadttant, issa, tkomplux tghazqu fil-vojt and min ma jridx jifhem ma tista' taghmillu xejn. Viva l-isport, u viva l-football.

Anthony Spiteri

Aug 28th 2009, 13:38

@ Edward Muscat - Tkompli timmeraviljani. Int ma' min izzomm mal- Juve jew ma' Moggi ?
Lil Jacob li inqisu bhala il-missier tieghi juventin ( huwa ghandu kwazi 66, u jiena 43 ) ilni nafu ghal dawn l-ahhar 20 sena. Niggarantilek li anke fl-Italja ftit hemm juventini daqsu. Irraguna siehbi.

JACOB MICALLEF

Aug 28th 2009, 13:27

@ Edward Muscat --- Jiena ninsisti li jiena juventin ta' veru. Il= Juventus dejjem ghandhom ikunu AKBAR minn kull xi hadd li jifforma parti minnha player, dirigent etc. Ghalhekk il=Juventus huma socjeta' kbira. Jien ghalhekk iddispjacini li il- Juve gew f'hiex gew. Sadattant inti tkompli tiddefendi lil Moggi ( li zgur mhux juventin ). J' Alla l- Juve jinhelsu minn kollox. Pero' lil Moggi zgur li QATT m'hu se narawh fix-xena kalcistika. Ghax zgur li hadd ma jissogra jintriga bih.

Edward Muscat

Aug 28th 2009, 13:11

@Jacob Micallef / Anthony Spiteri

Jekk Jacob huwa "Juventin ta' prima klassi", allura ghandu jistenna l-ezitu tal-process ta' Napli qabel jiggudika l'Moggi, li by the way, diga' waqghu l-akkuzi kontrih fil-kaz GEA. Issa jekk johrog liberat (kif se jigri), u tibqghu tghidu li hu hati, alluri inutli nibqa' niddiskuti maghkom. U f'dak il-kaz, l-ghamad quddiem ghajnejkom ikun qieghed mhux quddiem ghajnejja.

Sadanittant, ghadni qed nistenna prova wahda biss minghandkom ta' l-illeciti li wettqu Moggi u shabu jekk tridu tkunu kredibbli. Imisskom tisthu ssejhu lilkom infuskom Juventini u tirrinnegaw is-successi tat-Triade. Nahseb aktar jixirqulkom it-timijiet ta' Ruma u Milan.

Anthony Spiteri

Aug 28th 2009, 10:14

@ Edward Muscat - Issa anke ma' Jacob se tehodha. Juventin tal-prima klassi. Le , sewwa qallek , li tkun juventin ma jfissirx li dak li jaghmlu il-Juve huwa kollu tajjeb. Anke l-Juventus stess ma jirragunawx hekk u gieli ammettew xi zbalji. Naqbel ukoll li kont nippreferi li Moggi, qatt f'hajtu ma kien jifforma parti mis-socjeta' Juventina.

JACOB MICALLEF

Aug 27th 2009, 20:55

@ Edward Muscat - ergajt mort pass lura siehbi. Allura Law D. Attard kellu ragun meta qallek li ghandek ghamad. Trid tirraguna. Jiena lil Juventus, bejn home u away assistejt ghal- 53 partita. Fil-fatt diga cempilt lil siehbi li joqghod Munich biex immur narahom il-Germanja. Turin nafa bl-amment u meta mmur sirt noqghod ghand hbieb tieghi. Pero' filwaqt li jiena ffissat fuq il-Juventus u l-istorja taghhom ( glorjuza ), ma inhossnix komdu meta nghid li Moggi xi darba kien parti min din is-socjeta'. Hafna juventini jifmuha bhali. Ma' tistax tigi inti u tghidilna li ma ahniex biamconeri. Mil-gdid FORZA JUVE !

Edward Muscat

Aug 27th 2009, 20:25

@Jacob Micallef Ma' tistax tghid 'Forza Juve' u tinnega t-Triade. Bhalma diga' shaqt, jekk ghandek provi ta' illecitu ghidomlna hawn ha nkunu nafuhom, u nkun l-ewwel wiehed stess li nikkundanna. Altrimenti, ghamel pjacir lil kuluri suwed u bojod u ssejjahx lilek innifsek 'Juventin'.

JACOB MICALLEF

Aug 27th 2009, 15:36

@ Edward Muscat - Prosit ukoll. Tkellimt sewwa fl-ahhar kummenti tieghek . Hadt gost ukoll li apprezzajt dk li kien qieghed ifiehem b'mod sincier Lawrence D. Attard li minkejja li ma nafux laqatni ferm. Wahda biss kien jonqsok biex naqblu mija fil-mija : ma' tistax titkellem fuq onesta' u fl-istess waqt issemmi lil Moggi. Jew haga jew ohra. Ma jmorrux flimkien. Sadattant insellimlek u Forza Juve.

Edward Muscat

Aug 26th 2009, 20:21

@Jacob Micallef Jien ukoll kont qed naqbel ma' dak li beda jghid Lawrence, kull ma' ghaddejt rimarka hija meta qal il-frazi "il-Juve inqabdu", u staqsejtu fuq xiex inqabdu ghax prova wahda hadd ghadu ma' hareg biha. Il-bqija naf li ma' kienx qed jghid kontra l-Juve, anzi pjuttost kien qed jikkummenta favurihom. Imma dik il-frazi hija ngusta ghax il-Juve ma' nqabdu b'xejn, kif jghidu t-Taljani, "fino a prova contraria". U kif diga' shaqt, il-futur se jaghtini ragun. U le, ma' naccettax li tghidli li nirraguna bil-passjoni. Nitkellem hekk ghax segwejt il-fatti kollha, mhux dawk biss li bellatilkom il-media Taljana, imma anke dak kollu li gie mohbi lil pubbliku. Iva veru naqbel li l-isport ghandu bzonn nies bhas-Sur Attard, imma anke nies bhal Moggi, Giraudo u Bettega li dejjem ghamlu xogholhom b'onesta' u specjalment bil-bilanci f'posthom ghal kontra ta' hafna timijiet ohra.

Anthony Spiteri

Aug 26th 2009, 18:29

@ Lawrence D. Attard - Prosit. Avolja jiena juventin, hassejtek tirraguna u bla mibgheda. Anke fil-kaz tal-Birgu, l-proposti tieghek huma akatar eqreb is-sewwa. F'affarijiet bhal dawn ma tista' qatt tirraguna bil-qalb izda bil-mohh u fuq kollox logika. Mil-gdid PROSIT.

Jacob Micallef

Aug 26th 2009, 17:05

@ Edward Muscat et all Qieghed insegwi id-diskussjoni fuq il-kaz ta' Vittoriosa. Ma nistax nifhem kif certa supporters qabzu u hadu ghalihom meta Lawrence D. Attard, pjuttost jara s-sentenza tal-Juve wisq harxa specjalment meta komparata ma ta' Vittoriosa. Inhoss li " all the way ", is- Sur Attard qieghed jirraguna filwaqt li dawk li qeghdin jghaddulu xi kummenti, minhabba l-Juve, u b'mod specjali Edward Muscat qeghdin jargumentaw BISS bil-passjoni. Il-Passjoni ma thallikx tirraguna. L-isport nies bhal ma jirraguna is-Sur Attard ghandu bzonn.

Edward Muscat

Aug 26th 2009, 10:53

@Lawrence D. Attard

Naf li probabbli m'intix se temminni, imma s-socjeta' Juventina prezenti hija komplici u kienet hi li warrbet lit-Triade ghal ragunijiet li m'inix se noqghod nispjegahom hawn ghax is-suggett wara kollox m'ghandux x'jaqsam, u huwa suggett vast biex tifhem x'gara ezatt.

Pero' meta nibda naqra certi kummenti nibda nghid kemm hawn injoranza fuq dan is-suggett grazzi ghal media qarrieqa Taljana. Sfortunatament hafna jabbinaw lit-Triade mal-korruzzjoni, tbaghbis ta' loghob etc.... imma huma ftit dawk li jafu l-verita' x'inhi. Qaddisin ma' kinux, imma zgur li probabbli fejn id-dirigenti l-ohra, nassigurak li kienu bil-wisq aktar nodfa minnhom, anke ghal fatt li dejjem zammew bilanci sani ghal kontra tat-timijiet minn Milan u Ruma li ghandhom djun allarmanti u hadd ma' jghidilhom xejn.

Lawrence D. Attard

Aug 26th 2009, 00:00

@ Andre' Camenzuli
Zgur mhux ha nigi ghal privat ghandek biex tghallimni nargumenta. Bhal pappagalli fil-kaz ghamlu l- Juventus ukoll ghax lit- trio famuz Moggi - Giraudo - Bettega warrbuhom u l-anqas biss iridu jafu bihom. Kieku konvinti l-kontra serrah rasek li l-Juve jagixxu mod iehor. L-anqas l-istess socjeta' Juventina ma haditha daqshekk bi kbira u sa mill-ewwel mumenti li batew il-konsegwenzi bdew jahdmu b'mod dinamiku u serju biex jergghu lura team kbir u ta' certa integreta'. Sadattant dak it-triade innocenti ma' ssemmix aktar fil-kamp kalcistiku.

Edward Muscat

Aug 25th 2009, 21:13

@ Lawrence D. Attard

Ergajt qed issemmi l-fatti, imma dawn il-fatti forsi tista' tghidomlna hawn? Ghax dil-mistoqsija jien staqsejtha bizibilju nies mit-2006 l'hawn, u hadd ghadu ma' taghni risposta fuqha.

Iva, sewwa qed tghid, mill-mod kif qed tikteb, naf hafna u hafna affarijiet fuq dan il-kaz li int ma' tafhomx. You're too green on this subject IMHO. Ma' tafhomx mhux ghax int xi injorant, imma ghax gew mohbija mill-media. Il-media li influwenzat il-"process" sportiv, u li addirittura harget bis-sentenzi qabel dawn inghataw ufficjalment mill-imhallfin!!

Nassigurak li m'ghandi l-ebda ghamad, imma ghadni qed infittex l-illecitu li sar. U ghalhekk mhux biss konvint, imma konvintissimu li dak kollu li ntqal irid jigi fix-xejn bhalma gew l-akkuzi kontra l-GEA... jekk forsi segwejt dal-kaz ukoll...

Fuq il-kaz lokali m'inix se nikkummenta ghax m'inix intiz fis-suggett, u frankament, lanqas jinteressani...

Clinton Farrugia

Aug 25th 2009, 20:52

Where is the Premier League Standing Committee?

Lawrence D. Attard

Aug 25th 2009, 20:51

@ Edward Muscat
Kieku qrajt sewwa l-ewwel kumment li ktibt, pjuttost kien favur il-Juve. Pacenzja, tghaggel ! Lili qieghed tghid nitkellem fl-arja. Ma niddejjaq qatt nghid li il-Juventus, dak il-kampjonat li ittehdilhom ma' kellhomx bzonn l-ebda forma ta' ghajnuna. Kienu team Kbir. Pero' l-fatti huma fatti. Ma' tantx nara possibilita' izda li l-Juve ma' kienux jafu x'seta isarraf Moggi. Ma' tantx jistghu johorgu minn sqaq li Moggi dahhalhom fih. Socjeta' li ma kienx jixirqilha hekk. Donnok inti cert , izda, li l- Juve u dak li inkiteb dwarhom, dwar Moggi & Co ghad irid jaqa'. Forsi taf affarijiet li jien ma nafhomx. Li zgur jien cert huwa, li quddiem ghajnejja F'XEJN ma ghandix ghamad. Ghax inkella ma nirragunax. L-isport vera ghalija jigi l-ewwel u qabel kollox. Mhux bhalek , siehbi ! L-aqwa li jirbhu il-Juve, akkost ta' kollox ! Sadattant ghadek ma' tajtx l-opinjoni tieghek fuq il- kaz lokali. Hallatt it-tadam mal-pizelli. Nithassrek !

Edward Muscat

Aug 25th 2009, 18:50

@Lawrence D. Attard Facli titkellem fl-arja minghajr l-icken prova ta' illecitu f'idejk. Int u miljuni ohra iva hallejtu l-media qarrieqa Taljana tinfluwenzakom u diga' ghamiltuh hati. Jien ghal kontra tieghek u ohrajn, ghalkemm nemmen li ma' kienx xi qaddis, nippreferi nistenna l-ezitu tal-process li ghaddej qabel nitfa t-tajn bl-addocc ghax jaf ikollok terga' tibla dak kollu li tkun ghidt fuq il-persuna. Bhalma fil-fatt se jigri.

Lawrence D. Attard

Aug 25th 2009, 17:23

@ Edward Muscat Lili tinfluwenza il-media ! Filwaqt li ninsisti li dan ma huwiex argument fuq il- Juve ( jiena anzi semmejthom biex nipparaguna il-hruxija tas-sentenza ma' dik tal Birgu.) Fl-istess waqt nawguralek li meta jigu pproklamati qaddisin ohra mil- Vatikan, l-ewwel wiehed ikun, SAN LUCIANO MOGGI. Imbghad nibda nittama li anke jien se' mmur il-genna.

Lawrence D. Attard

Aug 25th 2009, 17:05

When Vittoriosa were accused they should have continued to play their l st Div committments sub judice . After a thorough investigation, and only if proven guilty then they ( as a 1st Div team ) deserved a TRUE relegation. The replay was a farce. TO-DAY'S DECISION IS EVEN WORSE. I'm sure, that Vittoriosa apart ( I can understand ), Charles Camenzuli agrees with me. The third placed should automatically have won promotion. @ Joseph Scerri : iddawwarx l-argument fuq il- Juve. Jiena semmejt lil Juve biex nipparaguna is-sentenza tal- Juve ( harxa ) ma' dik tal- Birgu ( farsa ). Pero' jekk trid nitkellmu fuq il-kaz tal- Juve, you are more than welcome. Qabel, izda, iccekkja u kun konxju sew ta' x'gara ezatt. Poggejta qisu, Moggi kien icempel qabel kull loghba, ghax huwa u t-team li kien jirrapprezenta riedu jassiguraw s-sewwa u s-sewwa biss. Hallina siehbi !

j caruana

Aug 25th 2009, 15:26

Issa fil-premier se jkunu 6 championship pool u 3 relegation pool??? u kemm se jaqghu fl-ahhar ta l-istagun ghal 1st division???????

Adrian Mallia

Aug 25th 2009, 13:42

@A.Mizzi Ghandek ragun 100%. Hekk sewwa? L-MFA kienet taf sa minn qabel spicca il-kampjonat tas-sena l-ohra li Vittoriosa Stars wettqu korruzzjoni. Tant li l-kaz gara fis-27 ta Dicembru 2009. Mela jista xi hadd jghidli ghalfejn lil dan it-team tellajtuh premier?? Dan pajjiz tal-karattri ta disney kollha, mhux ta Mickey Mouse biss, ghax kieku s-sentenza inghatat qabel ma beda il-kampjonat, 1. Sliema ma kienux jilghabu loghba ghalxejn, 2. Msida kienu jippreparaw biex jibqu fil-Premier, 3. Premier kien isir b'9 timijiet 4. 1st Division kien jintlab b'10 timijiet, 5.Plejers li inxtraw mill-Birgu kienu jkunu jafu li ha jilghabu first! L-isbah wahda imma hi, li dan it-team apparti li kkorompa, ser jinghata c-cans jilghab fil-first division KO! F'pajjizi serji, clubs hekk gieli anke gew maghluqa! Dawn kien imisshom jilghabu fit-3rd Division, jew ghalinqas fis-2nd division b'punti mnaqssa! Ghax kif intqal tajjeb minn A.Mizzi, il-kaz ta korruzzjoni gara meta dawn kienu fil-1st!! Kif gej tghid li r-replay kienet tkun bizzejjed Sur Camenzuli??? Mela team korrot haqqu jilghab fl-ghola divizjoni?? U l-ebda team korrot ma haqqu jilghab fl-ghola divizjoni!

Andre' Camenzuli

Aug 25th 2009, 13:29

Naqbel perfettament ma J.Scerri li l-process fl-italja sar biss b'ghan wiehed li jippenalizzaw lil Juve u lil Moggi u QATT ma harget prova wahda li Juve ghamlu xi illecitu sportiv. Lil L.Attard nghidlu taghmilx paraguni bla sens u meta titkellem kun ghaf x'int tghid mux taghmel bhal pappagalli. Biex nghaddu ghal dal-kaz tal-Birgu, kif dawn gew relegati u kontra M'xlokk ghadom ma ttiehdu l-ebda passi? Il-membru tal-kumitat ta' Mxlokk li kellu kariga gholja fil-club diga ammetta u nstab hati fil-qorti, allura Mxlokk diga kellom jkunu penalizzati qabel Birgu. Il-vicipres tal-Birgu ghadu ma giex misjub hati fil-qorti, allura kif il-club gie penalizzat? X'ha jigri issa il-kampjonat ikompli bi 8 teams? Din farsa li thalla il-kampjonat jibda imbaghad ittiehdet decizjoni li kienet ilha tkarkar 8 xhur. U halluna mill-bord indipendenti. L-MFA missha rat li l-affarijiet ikunu cari qabel jibda l-premier. Mela issa noqghodu nistennew gimghatejn ohra biex naraw x'ha jigri fil-kaz tax-xlukkajri. Biex naghlaq....Hamrun qatt ma jista jkollom dritt ghal-post fil-Premier ghax l-ahhar gew is-sena l-ohra, semmai il-kazi nqatghu qabel, Msida u Pieta' kienu bi dritt jilghabu premier

adrian grech cumbo

Aug 25th 2009, 11:40

Our local football is getting worse and worse and its rather a pity. The Leauge should have been postponed to a later date. Sliema had nothing to do with this affair and here we go the game is being declared Null. This is indeed a shame as this could effect the status of the general outcome of the same leauge. As usual Sliema are the ones that suffer. I am hoping that Mr azzopordi will motivate the players to make a winning comeback on the forthcoming game.

M. Sinagra

Aug 25th 2009, 11:30

If I remember rightly, in a similar case in a game between Qormi and Zebbug in the 2nd Division, it was decided that Qormi would concede their remaining games (walk overs) whilst keeping all points acquired. That meant that they plummeted from the top of division into relegation trouble. In fact they were eventually relegated. That verdict could have been used as precedent.

Nicholas Vella

Aug 25th 2009, 11:27

Il-kampjonat ma missu qatt beda sakemm tinqata is sentenza taz-zewg teams (Birgu u m'xlokk). U il weekend li gej se jsir il loghob allura ?

Clinton Farrugia

Aug 25th 2009, 10:55

A decision taken too late! Shame.

Saman Bugeja

Aug 25th 2009, 10:48

The MFA should be ashamed. Why take such a decision when ther season has already started. If Vittoriosa Are replaced by another team will that team start with 0 points and a game less, or replay the encounter. And what about the marsaxlokk case, this case has been going on for at least a year and still no decision has been reached. This shows how low the standard is of the mfa board. All of them should resign because it is clear they are incompetent people who do not think of the consequences when taking a decision.

Ray Gatt

Aug 25th 2009, 10:24

@ Mr. Charles Camenzuli - You have got to be kidding. Vittoriosa should have been relegated to a division lower than they were last season. You have the audacity to say that they were not treated right? The ones who were not treated right here are St. George's who apart from having two of their players bribed by Vittoriosa, then had to play the rest of the season without two of their best players. I'm not surprised Vittoriosa won the replay (which should have never been) against a depleted St. George's squad. I agree in one statement you wrote though Mr. Camilleri, 'Perhaps my comments may be biased as former General Secretary of Vittoriosa Stars when they had figured last in top football in Malta'. MFA has really messed up this time. So much for being fair with one and all.

S.J. Scicluna

Aug 25th 2009, 08:36

To charles camenzuli, saying that the verdict is unjust, you are only inviting other clubs to corrupt players of rival clubs. Two players of St George’s were found guilty for accepting bribery from an official of vittoriosa stars. Both the players and the official admitted in front of the Maltese court. This decision was confirmed by the MFA.
Regarding the replay, the MFA took that decision during investigations of the mentioned case, and the mfa was clear that it took its decision to replay the match on what it had in hands during that time.
Vittoriosa stars are guilty of corrupting players of rival club and the MFA decide that they play in the same division. MFA urgently needs an earthquake from its foundation.

Edward Muscat

Aug 25th 2009, 08:34

@ Lawrence D. Attard

Il-Juve inqabdu? Inqabdu fuq xiex? Ghax jien ghadni sa llum nipprova nifhem fuq xiex gew relegati l-Juventus meta l-imhallfin stess qalu li ma' kien hemm l-ebda illecitu. Il-futur jaghtini ragun meta t-Triade tigi lliberata minn dawn l-akkuzi foloz. Thallix il-media tinfluwenzak.

K Bonello

Aug 25th 2009, 08:26

This is outrageous! Vittoriosa stars were in Division one when this happened and they should be relegated to division two! As things stand they aren't going to lose anything at all. If MFA is truly trying to eradicate corruption in local football it must revise its decision now!

P. Mercieca

Aug 25th 2009, 08:23

As a netural & not so much of a local footbal follower I wish to participate in this discussion relating to what is being called 'MFA football scandal'. Would it not have been more appropriate & sensible for the MFA under the guidance of a reputable lawyer such as Dr. Joe Mifsud that: that the issue of M'xlokk would have been tackled during last season's campaign immeidataley after the courts of justice ruling. If I could understood well Vittoriosa were already penalised in some way during the course of the 2008/09 1st division league. So if I may ask why this pointing of fingers again at Vittoriosa Stars & why no concrete actions against M'Xlokk. I believe these are the answers expected from the few local and neutral followers like myself. Will the MFA be calling a press conference open to one & all to clarify such points? The earlier such issues are clarified I'm sure it would be healthier for the local footbal scene. The attendances at our stadiums is a good proof of the lack enthusiasim in the local football scene

Norbert Bugeja

Aug 25th 2009, 08:17

Better late then never but....this delay will cost MFA a considerable ammount of gate money.....

Season will continue with 9 teams.....1st division with 11


will Marsaxlokk be relegated during half the season now ? ........

No wonder attandances are going down as time goes by

Clinton Farrugia

Aug 25th 2009, 08:07

The top officials in the MFA should resign NOW. Thanks to these officials our game is in a big fiasco! We are living in 2009 and these silly mistakes are still being done. SHAME on you MFA! The decision was taken too late! Why did you wait for the start of the BoV Premier League? Why did you allow the Vittoriosa v Sliema match to be played? Where is the Premier League Stading Committee?

Dominic Micallef

Aug 25th 2009, 04:58

I agree with Mr Camenzuli. Had Vittoriosa lost the rematch with St George's, promotion would have become only a dream. Any further disciplinary action in such a scenario?

What is most unfair however is commencing a 'regular' season which lasts only 1 round of matches ! Sorry but MFA's handling of the cases is not adequate to say the least. If need be, there should have been a postponement to league kick-off and some extra effort to hurry matters up and not be left to procrastinate. If Marsaxlokk are relegated as well are we going to have a Premier division with just 8 teams ?

Once the season had started, given that the MFA deemed the match replay a soft action from its end, a reduction in points would have been more adequate.

Clinton Farrugia

Aug 25th 2009, 00:02

The MFA should be ashamed for allowing the BoV Premier League 2009/2010 to start. Why did the board wait for the first matches to be played? What was keeping the board from making an earlier decision? In my opinion, something is not in order in both Vittoriosa and Marsaxlokk cases.
DECISION TAKEN TOO LATE, SHAME!

U. Galea Medati

Aug 24th 2009, 23:52

To be relegated with the league already started is illogical after the case dragged on for months. I would have deducted a substantial amount of points since an appeal will be put forward which will drag on the case. About M'Xlokk, after this sentence I pretend a much more burlesque sentence.

tonio mifsud

Aug 24th 2009, 23:23

Personalment ma kellux jibda l-Kampjonat. U Ghaliex dan tul tal-Bord? Jalla jsir il-gustizzja ma kullhadd mill-kbir saz-zghir.

mark borg

Aug 24th 2009, 22:32

MFA is a Farce!!!!!!!

A Mizzi

Aug 24th 2009, 22:09

@ Mr Camenzuli

A replay of the match is not enough punishment for what was done! The only mistake MFA made in this case is that the team should have been relegated to the 2nd division and not the first as the case happened when they were still playing in 1st division!!

joseph scerri

Aug 24th 2009, 22:04

@law. Attard. Skuzi il JUVE ma inqabdux izda il gustizzja sportiva taljana uzat intercetazzjoijiet
maghmula mit-team rival i.e. inter biex jikxfu skandlu sportiv li ma twettaqx, ghax ma sarux talbiet ghal favorizmu ghal Juve minn Moggi izda kienu telefonati biex jipprotegu it-team tieghu minn referees li ma kienux jahmlu lil Juve u kien jitlob li dawn ir-refeeres ma jidderrigux loghob tal Juve. Fil-kaz tal birgu kien hemm xiri ta plejers.

Lawrence D. Attard

Aug 24th 2009, 21:53

@ Charles Camenzuli
Do I have to believe that as a TRUE sportsman you are saying that by ordering a replay Vittoriosa were penalised. I agree that a replay in such cases is never the solution. A serious investigation leading to a just final decision would have been ideal. If Vittoriosa, then were to be found guilty they should have been penalised harshly, if not result to stand. NEVER A REPLAY.

mallia joe

Aug 24th 2009, 21:53

Biex tkun saret gustizja ma kullhadd l-mfa trid twaqqaf il-kampjonat immedjatament u 'ssa li birgu gew relegati u marsaxlokk instabu hatja mil-qorti, iridu jaghtu cans l-imsida u l-hamrun biex jittrasformaw it-timijiet taghhom u jibqaw premier. Il-kampjonat taghna billi jibda f'ottubru mhux sa tghamel differenza.

Lawrence D. Attard

Aug 24th 2009, 21:42

@ G. Sinagra
Sorry for Dingli. But that is not the issue of my argument. Champions or vice Champions, Vittoriosa were accused with corruption as a l st Division team. So far they have been handed no sort of punishment. Relegation for them should mean 2nd or 3 rd Division. And these are the RIGHT FACTS.

G.sinagra

Aug 24th 2009, 21:29

@Lawrene D.Attard
Get your facts right Dingli Swallows were 1st.Divission Champions.Cause Dingli beat Birgu hands down in the play off.

Malcolm Mifsud

Aug 24th 2009, 21:02

Pajjiz tal-Mickey Mouse

Charles Camenzuli

Aug 24th 2009, 20:59

Perhaps my comments may be biased as former General Secretary of Vittoriosa Stars when they had figured last in top football in Malta. Technically I must say that the verdict inflicted is injust and definitely current Vittoriosa Stars officials should appeal to the verdict and should be the case take the decision to Court.
Following the match in question the MFA had ordered a replay of the match. THAT WAS THE MISTAKE. By that decision Vittoriosa were penalized. However were good enough to beat once again St.George's.
Once MFA ordered a replay the decision has been taken. No more no less.
Once again no court decision has been given as yet as regards Mr.Ancilleri or the MFA has judged him prior to the Superior Courts.
The case of Marsaxlokk is totally different. The official and player concerned have admitted and appeared in court. The case is there and can be judged.

Jonathan Spiteri

Aug 24th 2009, 20:55

MFA should have at least temporarily postponed the matches between sliema and vittoriosa together with hibernians and mxlokk, especially when coming up with the first verdict a day before vittoriosa's match.

With all due respect to the vittoriosa supporters, whom I suppose are the most concerned about this issue, I think that, since they played in the first division league last season when the case occurred, if justice is to bee made 100%, then they should go down u further division, while the 9th placed team last season, ie rabat ajax, is re instated in the first division. that also means taht pieta' would go up, having placed third in the same league.

On the other hand, if mxlokk were to be given the same verdict, the matter would complicate itself further. msida would have saved themselves if mxlokk were demoted at the end of last season, thanks to better head to head encounters with hamrun and tarxien rainbows, with the latter two having to play a relagation decider.

I think MFA did not realise how urgent these cases were, and should have tackled them there and then, or at least delay the commencement of the championship

Lawrence D. Attard

Aug 24th 2009, 20:48

Gustizzja ? Mela sewwa. L-ewwel nisraq, jekk ninqabad inroddu u jekk ma ninqabadx ma jigri xejn. Dik il-gustizzja li saret ma' Vittoriosa Stars. Ghamlu dak li ghamlu fl-ewwel Divizjoni. Allura bhala kastig kellhom jigu relegati ghal divizjoni inferjuri. It-titlu VITTORIOSA RELEGATED MA JAPPLIKAX. Meta l- Juve fl-Italja ( m'hiniex supporter taghhom ) inqabdu, mhux tnehhilhom il-kampjonat u daqshekk, izda gew ukoll relegati u bdew il-kampjonat tas-Serie B b'punti imnaqqsa. Vittoriosa kellu jitnehhilhom l-unur ta' Champions ta' l-ewwel Divizjoni, li ma rebhux kif suppost u bhala kastig jigu relegati Divizjoni. Is-sentenza li inghatat tinkuraggixxi li wiehed jiehu cans, b'differenza li joqghod aktar attent biex ma jinqabadx. Jekk sadattant jinqabad ma ghandu xejn x'jitlef hlief li ma jirbahx dak li ikun immira ghalih.

Ronnie Gauci

Aug 24th 2009, 20:33

Saret Gustizzja naqbel 100%, pero ma kienx gust li kollox thalla jkaxkar sal-bidu ta` stagun gdid meta saru xi akkwisti u nvestimenti. Decizjonijiet hekk kien messhom ittiehdu f'anqas minn xahar minn meta nkixef kollox mhux ghaddiet kwazi sena. U min laghab fil-first is-sena l-ohra se jibqa b'li ha, specjalment min gie relegat, minkejja li kien hemm il-korruzzjoni? L-MFA zbaljat bil-kbir hawn.

Sergio Farrugia

Aug 24th 2009, 19:55

Nahseb jilhaq jispicca l kampjonat u l kaz ta Marsaxlokk ikun ghadu ma nqatax. Issa bis sahha ta dawn id decizi l aktar li se jbati huwa dak it tim li se jiehu post Vittoiosa ghax aparti li lanqas kienu preparat ghal premier wisq anqas lahqu ghamlu xi akkwisti li setghu sahhew it tim. Appart hekk min se jiehu posthom jekk hux tim li waqa is season l ghadda mill premier jew it tim li l aktar li kien vicin il promozzjoni ? Nahseb gej season kollu kontroversji. X'ser jigri jekk Vittoriosa jappellew ? Jieqaf il kampjonat?

charles aquilina

Aug 24th 2009, 19:46

emmanuel caruana-marsaxlokk's case will be decided on the 2nd of september

Ryan Azzopardi

Aug 24th 2009, 19:35

well i guess pieta will replace vittoriosa seing that they were next in table behind dingli and vittoriosa. regarding marsaxlokk case i think that if vittoriosa were relegated on just suspect bases and depositions from two st georges' players, marsaxlokk should follow through because the committee member and player within the club were found guilty in d law courts of justice.we'll wait and see.

Emmanuel Caruana

Aug 24th 2009, 19:03

AND M'XLOKK ???????????

J Caruana

Aug 24th 2009, 19:01

OK. Now what?? What will happen of the result of Sliema-Vittoriosa?? Is it fair on Sliema to null this result?? Who will replace Vittoriosa in the Premier??