Hunters slam ban on afternoon hunting

Sylvana Zarb Darmanin

Aug 7th 2009, 13:17

Mr Alex Ellul, should you be ready to remove your blinkers, I will be prepared to discuss the issue seriously. Meanwhile, your comments have proved to readers how biased you are. It is a waste of time discussing with you under the present circumstances!!

Alex Ellul

Aug 7th 2009, 12:50

Regarding noise from village festas: This is also a great nuisance but does not justify other types of noise pollution such as shotgun blsats, noisy vehicles, defective construction machinery and other sources of noise pollution. I take this opportunity to refer you to yesterday's lead TOM editorial: http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20090806/opinion/editorial which concerns the real problem of noise pollution in Malta.

Alex Ellul

Aug 7th 2009, 11:58

So you differentiate between hunters and poachers. Good. The problem is that poachers have a hunting license, hence poachers are hunters too. That is a BIG problem. A bigger problem as I see it with my blinkers, is that there are more poachers than true to honest to God law abiding hunters. To say it in Maltese, jien minhix ta subajja f'halqi, I know what i m saying. your comment on my comment on hunting quotas: You said that quotas are naturally applied inMalta due to the limited bagging of birds. My comment: Then how come I hear hundreds of gunshots every morning day after day from my residence inside the village itself? Are these hunters a bad aim? Is it that they shoot at anything that flies? Or maybe the bag is truly plentiful? About justifying noise and other pollutants, Lead is a very poisonous pollutant and one cannot justify it because there are other types of pollutants. The less the better and if we have less lead better still. Buses and mulfunctioning cars do not emanate lead. LEAD HAD BEEN REMOVED FROM VEHICLE FUELS LONG TIME AGO, but we still pump it BY THE TONS each hunting season.

Sylvana Zarb Darmanin

Aug 6th 2009, 20:23

Mr Alex Ellul, 1. If you sincerely want to be honest you will admit that a good night's sleep is not solely interrupted by shotgun blasts. We have fireworks from village festas, loud music from discos/parties, noisy teenagers walking home back from parties, dogs barking, etc. YET you are so unbiased that you feel you should point your finger at shotgun blasts only! Sir, the name of the game is TOLERANCE! 2. Those you refer to as "who believe that they have the God given right to shoot at anything that moves" are poachers and not hunters. 3. The hunting quotas you mention are naturally applied as Maltese hunters' bags are quite limited in number. 4. Pollution comes from various quarters, be it buses, mulfunctioning cars, fireworks, etc. YET again you are so unbiased that you mention lead pollution. 5. Again, law-abiding hunters make sure to keep the environment clean. 6. Yes, it does make the two of us, what is actually different between us is that I do not have any blinkers on!

Alex Ellul

Aug 6th 2009, 19:50

@SZD: 1. Do you believe that I have a right for a good night's sleep uninterrupted by shotgun blasts all year round? Can you, at least give me this right or am I being too 'arrogant'? 2. You have addressed anti-hunters/pro-abortionists; I have already commented that I am not of that ilk. I know that there are greenie extremists who even promote forced abortion to save the planet from global warming believe it or not. Again, I am not one of them and I am infact against such extremism. This is just to show what extremism can lead to. There are also extremist hunters, those who believe that they have the God given right to shoot at anything that moves. These are exteremists too. 3. I also believe that hunting quotas should be introduced as these also exist all over the civilised world, including game fishing. So we are still away from being civilised. 4. Lead shot is polluting. 5. Irresponsible hunters fail to pick up the plastic/steel spent cartriges. Our countryside is littered with these spent cartridges. 6. About not giving up: Doesnt that make two of us?

Sylvana Zarb Darmanin

Aug 6th 2009, 18:44

Mr Alex Ellul, you never give up, do you? Primarily, I assure you that there are individuals amongst you (the anti-hunting lobby) who protect BIRDS and defend ABORTION! This is a fact and you may go through past online comments to confirm this for yourself. Therefore I have definitely not "lost the argument". Contrarily, I am exposing the hypocrisy amongst the anti-hunting lobby. If I had to use the anti's logic, where they place law-abiding hunters in the same bag with poachers, I would then say that all the anti's are hypocrites. Common sense will not allow me do such things!

You will have to continue dreaming about a total ban on hunting! Wishful thinking! Hunting is practised all over the world and Malta is no exception. Stating that hunting is making "a bad name for Malta" is therefore baseless.

Finally, another baseless statement coming from you wishing me "happy hunting". Well, Mr Ellul, sorry to disappoint you but I am not a hunter yet I know the meaning of respect and tolerance towards others, and I know of many other non-hunters who think the way I do!!!

Alex Ellul

Aug 6th 2009, 13:46

In my book, when a pro-hunting lobbyist uses the 'abortion' inverted analogy it means that the lobbyist has lost the argument. Abortion and hunting are two completely different subjects. Hunting is a 'hobby' while 'abortion' is a medical/surgical procedure by which an unborn life is 'terminated'. These two subject matters exist on a completely separate level. I would rather that a billion birds are shot than one innocent human life ended unnecessarily. So here you have it from the horse's mouth that I am an anti-abortionist. Abortion being another type of death that I hate. Period. Now back to hunting: May I repeat: I would love it if hunting is banned in Malta, this place is too small for hunting. It causes noise pollution, lead poisoning, dead birds, whether legally or illegally shot and generally a bad name for Malta. I am sure that one fine day, when I am dead and gone (which may make you a little bit happier :) ) hunting would have ceased completely, (which would make you sadder) . That is my opinion and I will stick to it till my end. Until then happy hunting - legally please. BTW- do noiseless shotguns exist?

Sylvana Zarb Darmanin

Aug 6th 2009, 09:09

Ha! Ha! Mr Alex Ellul!! According to your line of thought, Game cannot be shot and eaten BUT rabbits, chicken, etc. may! Why, are the latter not God's creatures as well?!! You twist facts to accommodate your argument! As much as you have a right to eat meat, others have a right to eat game! No twisting and turning will change this. Sir, I have seen hypocrisy from the anti's before (where individuals commented for the protection of birds BUT defended the right for Abortion)! Well, it appears that this trait is a common factor!

Alex Ellul

Aug 5th 2009, 21:23

@Ms. S.ZarbDarmanin: Should you have read correctly you would have noted my qualified hatred towards death, in fact I wrote: " ..uneccessary deaths..." Should you also have noted, Homo Sapiens had, hundreds of thousands of years ago, domesticated fowl and four legged beasts, which, to this very day provide us enough protein to feed billions of people. This also saves us the hazard of having to go out into the wild to fight savage beasts and shoot down flying birds with poisoned arrows for the much needed protein, thus, with these modern means,we have the time to live and love, cook good and healthy food and generally have the quality of life that we enjoy these modern days, a happy life indeed, if only I am not woken up at 6 in the morning by an endless string of bangs emanating from those still keen on living in the stone age but armed with space-age weapons.

Sylvana Zarb Darmanin

Aug 4th 2009, 17:26

Mr Alex Ellul, you are duty-bound to report any illegalities to the Police. Secondly, I was not assuming anything. Not being tolerant towards other individuals and writing "we want hunting to be banned" definitely does not show love and respect. And who, may I ask, were you including in the "we". Many Maltese citizens, including myself, are not hunters YET we show love and respect towards hunters and trappers.

Finally, I assume that you are a vegetarian. Alternatively, I cannot comprehend how you could state that: "I love them alive"!!!!! Chicken, rabbits, etc. are all God's creatures!!

Alex Ellul

Aug 4th 2009, 13:29

@Ms.Zarb-Darmanin: You assume wrongly, very wrongly, when you say that I feel hatred towards anyone. Maybe I hate bangs and loud noises and uneccessary deaths, and killings, and criminality,etc etc, but not persons. As for trying love, I love humanity, and creation in general and therefore I do not kill birds. I love them alive and singing and flying and generally kicking. About the 5 shooting automatics, we' ve already been through this one. My ears are what they are and my brain is what it is and I can easily deduce that hunters use these autos for hunting. The exact timing of the bangs, the unchanging sound level etc etc, tell me that the shots are being fired by the same shotgun and automatic at that. I rest my case on this one. Why is it that you are so much surprised by the 5-shooting automatic? OK its illegal, but then so are some (most?) of the hunters' activities round here.

Sylvana Zarb Darmanin

Aug 4th 2009, 11:05

Mr/Ms M Micallef, have you conveniently forgotten that these “foreign intruders” themselves have confirmed that “poachers are only a minority”. Please refer to their Spring Report. Sir, am I to take your assurance that these foreigners “are doing nothing illegal”, seriously? I challenge you to give me this assurance!

Mr M Bailey, I suggest you indulge in some research. You will realise that it is not ME who is saying that Malta is NOT on a migratory route. And btw, I defend the rights of hunters, trappers and other co-citizens who are treated inferior to other EU citizens! Actually, this is what is expected of every Maltese citizen!

Mr/Ms P Agius and Mr Alex Ellul, what is the cause of all the hatred you harbour?!! I sincerely urge you to try and find love, respect and tolerance within yourselves. Mr Ellul, the “5-shooting automatic shotgun” you mention is illegal! This is the extent to which your hatred towards others is leading you to!

Edmike Cassar

Aug 4th 2009, 10:19

No matter what anti hunting lobbies cliam...your "spring" has now gone, it s "autom" and it s all for the hunters.Even if hunting is banned after 3 pm during the last 15 days of september hunters have the right to go out shooting a whole 11 hours during that period...and whole days between fron sunrise to sunset for a whole 5 months !!!So why don t you just face it birdlife and all..that this season can never be banned and the ball now is in the hunters feet !!

For trapping many tought that this old cultural tradition would be banned for ever but thanks to the good work the FKNK clap nets and hides are still going to be part of our cultural heritage and part of the country side,since four species that could be shot during Auatum can aalso be trapped during this period to be used as decoys..this is the way it is done in the EU no matter what anti-hunting lobbies claim !!!

@ Kieron o connor

Malta never was and will never be a major route for migrotrey birds !! No matter what BL cliams !!

D. Xerri

Aug 4th 2009, 08:48

So According to Mr Ray Vella - No One needs to hunt and trap birds today for food and such - So we should also stop people buying fishing rods and harpoons - Stop them from fishing and snorkelling to catch fish ?? Well No One needs to fish Mr Ray Vella nowadays for food huh ? Or with fish its ok and with birds its not Mr Ray Vella ? Please Im not a hunter and I assume You are not too Mr Vella - Stop pretending being the apostle of nature for once - The whole issue is THE POLICE in Malta - They should have the right resources to stop illegal hunting and those who break the law - Im sure there are thousands of hunters who do nothing wrong with their shooting and YES why not enjoy what they catch and eat it as long as its legal - Most of them eat their hunt not only in Malta but everywhere around the world. Thats how it goes in Malta when the authorities cant control something and bring to justice those that break the law in that something it becomes illegal - Nice easy way out.

Alex Ellul

Aug 3rd 2009, 22:54

Now hunters are claiming that hunting should be same as in the EU? Wasnt the EU bad for them. Now I say: To hell with the EU. Malta is ours and we want hunting to be banned in Spring, and during ungodly hours, weekends and holidays. I m sick of the bangs early in the morning, sick of being afraid to walk in a country lane, sick of arrogance. One day this will have to stop. Malta is a very small country and shotguns can be loudly heard from the centre of a village at 6 in the morning, while the 5-shooting automatic shotguns used by our hunters (can they aim correctly? I suppose a good hunter needs only one or two shots to down a flying bird, let alone a sitting duck) just send us into a paranoic frenzy every morning from 1 st September to end of January. Thank God for the Spring ban. More to come? The majority wants more for sure.

P Agius

Aug 3rd 2009, 21:56

Hunting should be banned all year round. Time is ripe to stop these arrogant hunter who pretend that they have a sacrosant right on all the land and on everything that have feathers. It is time for them to realise that they are in the minority and should accomodate the majority and not the other way round. It is time for the government to stop defending them at EU and local level. Malta is finally becoming safer.

C Mallia

Aug 3rd 2009, 21:40

What a twisted conclusion by FKNK that such regulations is to accomodate Birdlife. It is as if Birdlife shoots down the birds. Such regulation is the minimum the government is doing to protect bird of prey from being massacred. We have all witnessed the red-handed indiscriminate cullings of such magnificent birds. No amount of guarantees by Mr Lino Farrugia and FKNK about self-regulation can ever convince the discerning public. The "hunters" have shot themselves in the foot and the past has thought us that they cannot be trusted.

Now, that spring hunting is finally closed, does Lino Farrugia seriously think that the hunters are not more trigger happy after not hunting in spring? Their forum says differently.

Johnny Xerri

Aug 3rd 2009, 20:37

@ Kieron O'connor

Well said birdwatching tourism is this country's salvation. It is stupid that hunters cannot acknowledge this. I mean there is amply proof of this.

For the first time since hunting was practiced in Malta, spring tourism flourished only after the banning of spring hunting in 2008 and 2009.

Furthermore summer tourism has flourished with the many tourists that couldn't find accomodation during spring (2008 & 2009) due to the over booking and so came to have a look at the breeding population of sparrows and valletta pigeons (or flying rats). I mean tourism in August when the hatchlings start leaving their nest a very spectecular sight has seen tourism rise by -50% (or was that a drop of 50%)

Come on why should Malta be allowed to hunt during autumn when the rest of the EU, including Ireland, hunt for 365 days a year. Cannot the hunters see how selfish they are for wanting equal rights to other hunters in the EU?

Cannot they see that hunting in their private land during the afternoon is very selfish to say the least.

Roger Flett

Aug 3rd 2009, 17:41

Would the Hunters federation please start their self regulation by investigating the cause of the numerous scrub fires around Gozo? It is a widely held belief that the majority of these fires are started by rabbit hunters to remove the cover for the rabbits. Ta Cenc and the cliffs behind Xlendi are prime examples, where recently fires have been raging all over the garigue.

Paul Micallef

Aug 3rd 2009, 17:20

I must say that all the DO gooders here should try and voice there voice to the EUROPE that they love so much,Prosit Mr Marco meli, you have said it, second class citizens. that we are.

MR Gonzi just look at what an incompetent goverment you have become, if you preach what you belive, why are you letting the HUNTERS pay there LICENCE if you do not want them to hunt??

Marco Bailey

Aug 3rd 2009, 17:06

SZD,

if malta is not on the migration path, then WHY are YOU making such a fuss about hunting??? I guess if no birds come there is nothing to shoot right? and i suppose that all those injured birds handed to Birdlife Malta are escapes from petshops and not migrating, right???

I think we erational people know who is livig in fantasy land...

r sammut

Aug 3rd 2009, 15:51

@Ray Mangion
Why only Malta has to do without hunting, when it is being done with far less restriction, in all civilized world? The Malta Government is the principal cause for such ridicule by failing to apply the Autumn/Winter season in law, as the rest of EU. Thus year in year out, keep local hunters/trappers begging mercy at the hands of the Government/BirdLife cartel.

Apart from Malta, all EU countries have fixed season/s together with various derogations applied to suite regions and traditions. To add further insult, the Malta Government nibbles the linternational accepted season, applying the afternoons ban!

If banning is so effective why not apply it to places where our youths are getting drunk or drugged?

@Kieron O'connor
To have some credit to consider killing of birds as sick, one hope that you and other would all be vegetarians! Wherever your origin, believe you me, hunting/shooting is done, and in places as UK on a year round bases!

You really believe that Malta is some kind of major migratory route? Still need to wake up Sir, to smell the coffee!

censu attard

Aug 3rd 2009, 15:32

@ Kieron O`Connor,
This is where the real migration path is just take a look at these web-sites,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzThkTRzsQQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmgLYxSaFpY&feature=fvsr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC5uCU3g90s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us_XrLyHY3I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szPGUk6GpKI&feature=related

Paul Calleja-Gera

Aug 3rd 2009, 15:23

I will keep my comments short. For heavens sake, why, in the 21st century, when man is supposed to have 'grown up' enough and accepted the fact that God created all creatures great and small, do we imagine it is our God given right to blast a bird out of the beautiful sky over Malta just to have what they think is a bit of fun. You are a pathetic lot and a disgrace to the Island.

Ray Mangion

Aug 3rd 2009, 15:17

@ anton Portelli.
That`s postive news Mr Portelli. You should use the energy to keep pushing for a shooting range. That is a way forward and stop all this barbaric shooting. I would even join myself if there was such a range. there is one in Safi but I`m not sure if that is a practice range for the army. You can make enquiries.

Antoine Grima

Aug 3rd 2009, 14:57

Mr Mangion , it;s going to take a lot more than your pleas to stop me from hunting . I was born a hunter and will die a hunter . I am proud of being a hunter but very sorry for being a second class citizen , As regards Mr Oconnor , you keep on birdwatching and i'll keep on hunting , if not here , werever it is permitted .

Andrew Gatt

Aug 3rd 2009, 14:32

The emotions and inaccuracies and blatant untruths about hunting, thanks to contributions by the likes of Kieron O'Connor, Ray Mangion and the ever-nagging J Borg are never-ending!

For the record. There is NO ISSUE about the Autumn Hunting Season in Malta. This season is opened in each and every EU country and is in line with the Birds Directive. So, Ray, no penalties and no fines. Regarding the "bad name", kindly refer to Birdlife Malta if you want the name-calling and slander and exaggerations to stop.

Kieron, what "migration path" are you talking about? Malta is NOT on one. Never has, never will be. Birdwatchers (including Birdlife members) go to other countries to see significant numbers of migratory birds. Birdwatching industry? Ha ha ha. What a laugh. And the target species in Autumn are ALL game birds destined for the pot. Much like chickens, rabbits, fish, beef, turkey etc.

And finally, to J Borg......it's just never enough for you, is it? You simply scribble your nonsense and then never reply to other commentators who expose your ignorance, arrogance and extremism. Go buy some land for yourself if you feel so strongly about it, and leave the law-abiding hunters alone.

Anthony Formosa

Aug 3rd 2009, 14:27

Cont:

Last and not least, especially addressed to Mr / Mrs J.Borg, who loves to visit OUR lovely and limited countryside private or not. We all know that the rubbish left behind by the public is uncontrollable we've seen pictures and it's evident. So I suggest that the government will ban YOU from visiting the countryside, and then propose something that can be done to control the situation and the government will refuse it. What will be your reaction? when you know that there might be someone irresponsible who dump rubbish. This is the situation we're in, I hope that you all understand.

@ Ray Mangion:

Whether we like it or not, we will be penalized on many issues, and whether you like it or not you have to foot the bill, you do it for me, next time I do it for you, that's how it goes, what we don't know is WHERE THE MONEY GOES?

M. Micallef

Aug 3rd 2009, 14:19

@SZD
It's useless accusing BLM for this ban. This ban was brought in because hunters can't be trusted and year after year we see protected birds gunned down, injured and killed. Why is it that hunters claim that these poachers are only a minority and they do nothing about it? If these are really a minority I think it shouldn't be a problem controlling them or else they are the majority? Madam?

You can write a thousand comments here. The fact remains that illegal hunting is rampant around the Maltese islands and hunters give Malta a bad name. The foreigners coming to Malta which you refer too as "foreign intruders" are doing nothing illegal. If yes go ahead and report any abbuses to the police. They seem to bother the hunting fraternity and you because they expose illegalities in a more effective way. If you want to refresh your memory you can run a search on youtube to see the gunning down of the black stork and booted eagle caught on video.

Ann Camilleri

Aug 3rd 2009, 14:06

Well said Mr. Mangion

I cannot understand what's so enjoyable about having dead stuffed birds or having birds locked up in a miniscule cage!!

Anthony Formosa

Aug 3rd 2009, 13:55

@ D. Agius, ghandek punti validi, imma tinsiex qed titfa lil kullhadd f'keffa wahda. Issa ha nirraguna bhallhekk, Hwienet tax-xorb ghandhom jaghlqu fid-disgha halli nevitaw hafna imwiet ta zaghzagh, accidenti koroh, glied u qtil, u biex nibdew nikkontrollaw ahjar, il-gvern jibda biex ihalli hwienet miftuha fil-pjazza hararaw, nisperementaw hekk.

@ J.Borg:

My wish is that one day you speak from your mouth connected to your brains, if you want I'll invite in my private land, and you may also give a hand to clean up, pls stop repeating the same words you're making everyone sick.

@ R.mangion: and who agreed with you. I will stop hunting when we all turn vegetarians, if my preference is a dove or Quail why I have to eat a Lobster or a fish which I also like to see them alive in our sea bed.

@ Kieron O'Connor,

You're calling us barbaric, because we eat what we hunt, but on the other hand you what others breed and kill for you, therefore it makes us all barbaric, some more than the other when unborn babies are also killed, or abusing of children, child labor to buy cheap products. WAKE UP PLEASE

Sylvana Zarb Darmanin

Aug 3rd 2009, 13:17

Mr Kieron O'Connor, you appear to live in fantasy land!!! Your comment is packed with inaccuracies!! Before writing such banal statements as Malta is "located on the migration path", I suggest you inform yourself better. Furthermore, enjoy dreaming that hunting and trapping will be banned in Malta! The Maltese hunters and trappers are no inferior to their EU counterparts! Maybe you should also inform yourself about hunting and trapping in other EU countries, Sir?!!!

marco meli

Aug 3rd 2009, 13:00

and it's finally happened!!!! now we are true 2nd class citizens!!!!! WOW. thanks mr goverment

Anthony Roberts

Aug 3rd 2009, 12:40

Well said Ray Mangion

Kieron O'connor

Aug 3rd 2009, 12:29

Birdwatching could become a goldmine for Malta, the Island is perfectly located on the migration path and with no large forrests to hide the birds, its ideal for the tourist bird watcher who will spend his/her money in Malta, and the birdwatching industry that could be built around it. There is a serious lack of vision considering the huge potential for jobs and income.
Lets face it shooting all these little birds is considered barbaric and will be banned soon, it will be for the greater good of Malta.
How many stuffed little birds can you collect anyway in your "enjoyment of the countryside"?

Anton Portelli

Aug 3rd 2009, 12:16

@ Ray Mangion

Mr. Mangion I am a hunter but I would gladly go and shoot at a piece of paper.
The pity is that a permission for a proposed range, that is far from residential area, safe for shooting both for the public and the shooters themselves, built in such a way that even the bullets can be collected for recycling, hs been refused so far.

Ray Mangion

Aug 3rd 2009, 10:48

why don`t the hunters realise that trying to get what they want is not going to happen. Killing and trapping for a past-time is sick. Traditionally this was done as a source of food, but today no one kills to feed the family. Go and find some other sport where beautiful living creatures can live in peace and freedom. Because of you Malta will be penalised and it is us who have to foot the bill and given a bad name across the world.

J. Borg

Aug 3rd 2009, 10:34

So except for the fortnight in September wherein hunters are expected to lay their guns after 3pm......

the rest of the population, kids and tourists have to endure the end of Summer, all Autumn and the onset of Winter with only a 4 hour a week time window, to have the opportunity to safely and peacefully enjoy the countryside!

As regards the hollow excuse that hunters hunt on private land (Majjistral Nature Reserve comes to mind!) - when hunters ensure that the lead shots they blast fall, and are heard only within their land - then although they don't own the birds they shoot - one may close an eye.

As to what other countries do......pls come up with a country with such high population density compared to the sheer limitation of the countryside area on these islands.

Blatant arrogance fueled by spineless politicians!

Sylvana Zarb Darmanin

Aug 3rd 2009, 10:31

Which one locality will the Government decide on? This is ridiculous! If the FKNK is suggesting self-regulation, then we should never have only one locality benefitting over all other localities!

The afternoon ban is indeed a shame! BirdLife seem to be ruling the country on this issue. Instead of accommodating these foreign intruders, it would be much better had the Government or BirdLife to ensure that these individuals are not being equipped against the Maltese hunters.

a montebello

Aug 3rd 2009, 10:09

I think the ban on hunting in the afternoon is not just a way of accommodating BirdLife and its foreign "spies" - its also a way of curbing rampant illegal hunting and giving birds a fighting chance of survival.

The Hunter's Federation PR machine shoots itself in the leg - yet again. Assuming the foreigners really do come as "spies and policemen" - only points to an acknowledgement of wrong-doing and illegal activity on the part of most of the hunters. Why shouldn't they be free to roam the maltese countryside? I always assumed that everyone was free to roam around and explore the little of what's left of it.

D Agius

Aug 3rd 2009, 10:07

Filwaqt li naqbel perfettament mas Sur Farrugia, li l-BirdLife qed tinghata importanza izjed milli suppost flimkien ma barranin li qed jigu pajjizna, fl-istess hin imissu jaf bizzejjed is sur farrugia li dawk il gimghatejn qed jinghalqu ghax jaf li hu maghndux kontroll fuq shabu il kaccaturi dwar massakru li jsir fuq it tajr tal priza li jkun qed ipassi dak iz zmien. jista jichad kemm irid pero dik hija il verita, u il verita tweggak. jien la jien kaccatur jew nassab u lanqas membru tal Birdlife. Ghaliex il Kaccaturi li verament iridu id delizzju ma jkunux huma stess li jirraportaw lill shabhom li qed ikissrulhom id delizzju mal pulizija minflokk dawk il barranin kollha li qed jigu jindahlu go pajjizna?