Mali migrant jailed for leaving Malta without documents

Moses Mula

Jul 21st 2009, 12:09

@David Muscat, no we did not have to grant refugee status to people in the UK during the dark days of the IRA conflict, simply because England´s goverment was offering protection to his people, unlike many of the other conflicts. You have to understand that there is both armed and unarmed conflicts. Even if there is a cease-fire or an agreement, that does not mean that the conflict ia over. In fact, around 25% of conflicts that end but start again later on due to incompatibilities ( new or old ), or because the peace agreement reached has not been respected by one party or the other. Of course there are other reasons, but those I mentioned are the most likely. Yes the conflict in Mali is `over` but can you be sure if it is really over or just dormant? Can you be sure that this person and other people are not persecuted? The Mali conflict was dealt with internally, so its not like we can be sure that all is well. About Sweden and Malmö, calling a few protests a warzone is just plain silly.
@IGALEA, Denis Catania, I wasted enough time on you, not worthit.

Mario Farrugia

Jul 21st 2009, 04:49

To all those commenting about why refugees/immigrants do not have papers, etc. bear in mind that a number of countries require exit visas. For example, if I were an Eritrean citizen and decided to leave Eritrea, I would first need permission from the Eritrean government (even before applying for a visa from a foreign embassy)....and good luck trying to get that permission if I'm not in the Eritrean government's good books!

And remember... it wasn't that long ago that a Maltese government had imposed stringent restictions on currency conversions in its attempt to control citizens' movements....

I M Dingli

Jul 20th 2009, 22:35

@ Moses Mula

After I checked the link which you provided I confirmed that most of North Africa is not involved in any conflict. Could you please now explain why this guy from Mali happened to opt for Malta if he only wanted to flee persecution? Could it be an economical reason rather than persecution?

lgalea

Jul 20th 2009, 22:33

Moses Mula
Will you ever stop defending ILLEGAL immigrants and for once defense your own country and brethren?
So are you suggesting that because one tribe starts fighting with another then we should welcome all those who would end up in Malta?
Al illegal immigrants should be deported without being allowed to claim refugee r humanitarian status which they could have done in all the countries they had passed through on their way to Malta.

Denis Catania

Jul 20th 2009, 20:57

@Moses Mula: What's your point? Should Malta take in everyone that comes from a war torn area or where there might be a conflict?

David Muscat

Jul 20th 2009, 20:40

@M Mula

Very good site. Using the most recent data re Mali ie.2007.

THe site provided states that "Subsequently, in 2007 a new Touareg rebel group emerged and briefly fought the government." Note the word briefly. That means it ended.

and also from the site:

"and was succeeded by Touré, who also won the 2007 elections that were widely regarded as free and fair."

So fair elections were held in Mali. Mali is not at war. Therefore there should be no refugees from Mali.

Had Malta used your reasoning, we would have ended up granting refugee status to people from the UK as the UK has had problems with the Real IRA and Muslim extremists.
Or the Swedes as Malmo seems to be a warzone these days.Note that this video link is 2009.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/03/muslim-protesters-riot-attack-police.html

Should we grant them refugee status? I hope our Government is not only doing it's homework, but more inportantly doing it well.

Moses Mula

Jul 20th 2009, 20:19

@anthea doughty, so being locked in a dirty detention center is Utopia for you? I would not be surprised if part of these immigrants made a bad deal by coming here.

@Igalea, can you come up with something constructive once in a while? Reading a dictionary makes a more interesting read than your comments. I do not have to agree with your comments, but at least challenge my intelligence.

@Stephen Farrugia, `they love you and the E.U. funds`. Sadly I fear that you are right. A pity the Maltese still think that it is their tax money that is providing for immigrants.

@Denis Catania, I think the pressure, yours and some who leave comments here is not purely on ` illegal Immigration` but on all africans who end up in Malta `legally` or not. We have read between the lines, at least those who want to read between the lines.

Adam Wilson

Jul 20th 2009, 20:13

IF 49000 is a true figure of temporary ID cards issued thats 12.5% of the population if the UK did the same that would be 7.5 million immigrants in just a few years . Surely Malta must only allow a proportion of population so as to keep its culture safe ? This situation is just plain stupid not to mention very dangerous.

Moses Mula

Jul 20th 2009, 20:04

@Paul Bonnici, there is no war in Mali? HAHAHA. My friend, I understand the fact that you get to hear about only the big conflicts that are reported by the media but if you do a good research at home on your computer you will find tens of conflicts going on, some of them in countries which you have never heard of before. Go to this adress, http://www.pcr.uu.se/gpdatabase/search.php and you will understand what I am talking about. You willl also see that there is a conflict in Mali, but it is not easy to get to hear about it as it does not sell papers. When you make a statement get your facts right please as sometimes you can be proved wrong and you do not want that now , do you? You might maybe think that for example in Sudan all is well and good because Sudan has not been mentioned in a long time, but that is not true either. My intention was not to give a lecture about world conflicts, as only took a couple of univerity courses and that would take more than 200 words, but just think before writing. So go do your homework.

Denis Catania

Jul 20th 2009, 16:51

A jail term is better than a suspended sentence. After he should be deprted asap. The anti illegal immigration movement need to keep up the pressure.

stephen farrugia

Jul 20th 2009, 15:54

@ Dear people

Do you know that over 49,000 ID cards have been given to them from Malta. This an official number. These that are still in Malta. Hello everybody, wake up from your sleep ! Go to Gzira and the Maltese are out numbered on a 10:1 ratio. I know because we made a survey near the traffic lights on the main road for a whole week. 500 people were asked. We were shocked.

Tony Gatt

Jul 20th 2009, 15:11

Why stop them?

anthea doughty

Jul 20th 2009, 14:35

He arrived with none presumably so why would he think he needed any to move on? Laughable. Except I am not laughing, I could cry. Why Would Mr Toumkara ( if that is who he really is) or any other illegal immigrant want to leave? I thought the situations they are fleeing are so dreadful that Malta must seem like Utopia to them! Perhaps it could be that they are not in such dire straits as they claim to be, could be that they are simply taking us all for a ride...... I know what I think. Also another thing, strange how it is only the men who seem to mostly make it over this sea crossing - they can't be thinking much of their supposed wives and children to leave them all behind and flee to save their own skins....... oh silly me, once they have burdened themselves on one of us in the EU they can send for who they like! I love Malta, I am on the next plane in, I am gonna lose my documents and just overstay. Do you think I will get away with it?

Paul Bonnici

Jul 20th 2009, 14:34

Why should a man from Mali have a temporary ID card?

There is no war in Mali and they do not quality for refugee status.

Is the government giving these ID cards to everyone that enters Malta illegally? This sounds alarming. That is why more illegal immigrants are coming to Malta.

P.Cassar

Jul 20th 2009, 13:10

This immigrant thing gets more complicated every day.
Questions
They COME without ANY documents, were they jailed then?
If he came without documents, who can vouch that he is Youssouf Tourukara, age? etc etc he may say that he is Prince Philip.
If I am not mistaken, in Spain they gave them a pass portand let them move where they liked.

lgalea

Jul 20th 2009, 10:58

Will he be expelled after serving his sentence?
That's what the people want to know.

stephen farrugia

Jul 20th 2009, 10:43

I was talking to an immigrant and he said to me " they do their best so that I DON'T leave the island ". When he told me that he could not understand why, I answered him " thats because they love you and the EU funds".

He laughed and told me " at least you are not a hypocrite " and I paid his plane ticket to go back home. He is now in his homeland.