Gay Pride parade held in Valletta

Joe Fenech

Jul 28th 2009, 15:56

M Vella:

I understand your point. However Gay Pride is not the right way to go! Gay Pride has a history of reinforcing the Gay and Camp image of Homos. The only people who can make a difference are our Europe politicians. Simon Busuttil should have voted in favour of homo rights in the European Parliament - attending Gay Pride is not going to change things and it's only a way of getting some cheap personal publicity!

M Vella

Jul 28th 2009, 02:01

@ Joe Fenech
You seriously fail to get the point of all this ''fuss''.. let me tell you something about ''gay fuss''. Tell them you're gay and see what happens if you go and try to get a loan, a life insurance, attempt to donate blood, get married for family and civil security and a myriad of rights the fussy gays don't have. Guess what, staying happy behind closed doors will not rectify any of these injustices. Just because your friends are passive and don't choose to buy in into the pink economy does not entitle you to judge anybody else's lifestyle. Like your friends aren't afraid to hide their life by coincidence or because people have and continue to bother and educate about these issues? Of course your friends are more than free to choose their level of visibility, not discuss it, not hold hands in public. I just hope it will not take a tragic episode to realise what the fuss is all about. Are you aware the NSO does not even collect data on gay lifestyle in these blessed islands? Our tax return is heartily accepted though. Bah!

Joe Fenech

Jul 27th 2009, 22:42

Joe Xuereb :

To be honest, I don't know what you're on about! You seem to be only interested in showing that you're more clever than everyone else in this blog: aren't you a bit too big for your boots?

As to the word 'ladies': in modern British English it is used (only in its plural form) as an affectionate way of addressing the female sex. It doesn't have the 1909 meaning which you seem to be referring to!

Joe Xuereb

Jul 27th 2009, 19:06

Joe Fenech. Your choice of words re-confirmed what I already knew. Wow!! What a mindset!! And do yourself a favour. Don't refer to women as 'ladies' (don't tell me the women in your circle do in fact prefer to be called ladies). Wonders never cease. It is like 2009 going 1909.

Joe Fenech

Jul 26th 2009, 20:05

Joe Xuereb:

Don't assume things when you don't know the situation. When I said I didn't discuss my friends' sexuality and they didn't feel they need to come out, you got the wrong end of the stick: NO, they (it wasn't 1 friend as you assumed) weren't hiding their inclination. They just didn't discuss 'their homosexuality' it which is very different. I have normal looking friends, people who wear tight shorts, etc. We go to each others' house, I know their partners, etc. BUT NO ONE MAKES A FUSS ABOUT IT! None of the homos I know go to gay bars, read gay magazines,and none of them victimise themselves professionally because they don't flaunt their homosexuality at work (nevertheless without hiding their life), etc. It's for homos to make themselves accepted - and that's achieved by stopping this fuss.

Joe Xuereb

Jul 26th 2009, 09:04

M. Vella, T. Eliot famously said that people cannot stomach much truth. Cool gays and their staunch supporter L. they deal with this by going into denial mode. Very convenienct. But a dangerous game. The poor darlings, they cannot face their demons. They see angels instead. Very convenient. They put on a brazen face which says "I'm alright, screw you Jack'" We've heard it all before.

M Vella

Jul 24th 2009, 21:32

@ Joe Xuereb
These that are ''cool with it'' make want to stab my head with a knitting needle!!
As if I want anybody's charity or sympathy or whatever. Then yes..you get some ''christian'' ranting they'll ''have us in the second coming'', how evangelistic is that. Look at Alison Bezzina's link below, to believe.

@Maria Abela - no offence meant, but you give me the impression that you never tried to do things like setting up family, take out loans etc. wait and see if it's all a ''sneeze'', because that's all you can do as things stand. If anything you should thank these activists for doing what they do, if you're comfortable as it is, my best wishes.

I contribute equally as any other, give us our rights and do something about all this ignorance and rampant hate that's gripping the island. Failing that I'll happily exercise my full voting rights elsewhere. (This one is for the politicians, I don't need an ''if you don't like it leave comment'' Thank You).

Henry M.

Jul 23rd 2009, 13:21

@Ludwig
what you wrote is right, but beware, we have no divorce in dear old Malta! So you have to stick with your spouse forever eh!
May I ask our politicians if a pro divorce parade/rally is staged will YOU be present?

Joe Xuereb

Jul 22nd 2009, 19:47

M. Vella, many, too many in fact, of the L. Dimech pezza (a remnant from a bale of cloth) conviction continue to exist and insist that homosexual people have nothing to shout about because they have 'friends' (note apostrophes) who are cool with it. Mmmm. L. (Laurence, Louis, Liberaturs, Liberace [no, that's me]) offers an appeasement - how sweet - to me? to himself? - even I cannot grasp some people's train of thought - by asking, what next? a parade for heterosexual folk? Actually yes, that would not go amiss, L. It would be called Heterosexual Shame/Anger/Hopelessnes/Givemedignity Parade. Patience. I'll explain.
Careful what you clamour for L. (Joe Fenech etc.). Divorce is liberating but costly for the divorced male, the female 'taking him to the cleaners' as we say. Apart from this thorny issue, what is this nonsense - alien to homosexuals - whereby the female holds the male to ransom for just one, pathetic, fumbled night of love? Hooked for life. And then divorce. And non-existent bank balance. Of course there's investment in Christian values. Unworkable. So L., a straights parade is feasible. Homosexuals unaffected. We'll parade together L. Call it solidarity. Friends at last. Maybe. Just.

M Vella

Jul 22nd 2009, 02:03

With comments like these how can one fail to see the point of holding Gay Pride? For those not in the know here's to what happens in other countries, more politicians should show up!
http://gay.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13100.html

A recent invitation for an adoption/fostering workshop at work invited all persons (regardless of age, race, gender and sexuality) the only criteria to attend were love, time and space. The best interests of children seem to be a foreign concept to Malta. Nobody is asking for any special treatment, in the meantime the gay members of the Maltese community are left funding other people's benefits and rights through their taxes, to get some idiotic slurs back. What's the fuss with providing basic social and sexual education that promotes a society that's only recognising its children and reinforcing its communities and their civic pride?? Some of you clearly have no idea where gay people literally come from, let alone what they aspire to. This is what's its all about Dr. Simon Busuttil, I'll be the first to be happy when I read about your first positive vote in EP for gay rights. Bring it on!

Joe Xuereb

Jul 21st 2009, 15:01

cont./ Allow me to say. Is it the thought of two men holding hands that disturbs you? That would be strange. I bet you don't mind two men hitting each other in a boxing ring to near death. Indeed you would cheer on the winner. And damn the loser. I am no loser L.
Malta was a democratic country the last time I looked. Therefore I can say what I like as long as it is within the law. Fortunately, as an added bonus, I live abroad. So I can sleep easy at night without fretting that my front door could be set on fire (as happens, often) or be the innocent recipient of venomous hate-hail - happened only a few days ago). Not nice but manageable. In any case, it would only go to prove my point.

Joe Xuereb

Jul 21st 2009, 14:54

Ludwig Vella, thank you. You are getting there. Quote: 'I'm gay and I hate gay prides. Being gay is a natural thing, i don't sneeze and make a pride out of it'. This is the kind of person that L. Dimech says he has as a friend and who do not make a song and dance of the fact they are homosexual. Oh dear! Maria Abela could be six going on 67. She could be my friend but I would have a lot to say to her. It is all too easy to feel pain and daftly metaphorise it away. L. Dimech prefers this. It takes him off the hook. Makes him feel ever so cosy and comfortable and condescending. Of course it doesn't work. L. Dimech, what I say is legitimate. The law is on my side. Most importantly, I am on my side. This is me. I am happy and gay. Now there is something about all this that is making you, and your kind, rather uncomfortable. Not my my problem. That's your problem to resolve. I have enough of mine thank you; being worked on I should add. Your problems are none of my concern, you'll appreciate.

L. Vella

Jul 21st 2009, 12:15

Pt.2
There are other that didn't accept themselves, and they either choose to marry, or take their own lives. The ones that marry live a supressed life, and if ppl find out, miskina martu, missu ma zzewwigiex. The latter is all a result of society's pressures to conform to the norm.

I accepted myself, didn't end my own life, and chose to live the life I was given, of that I AM PROUD. Shame on those who criticise & judge, do you have to deal with these issues?

I am one that doesn't go to gay bars, because I mix with others, hetero or homo, i don't care. But you do find those homophobes that pass rude comments, should I avoid these people? SHould I stay at home and not go out? It's not that simple to ignore them if they are friends of friends. Should I pitch a fight with them? It's not easy either, because we are a minority, others will tend to support the normal.

Normal or not normal, creation is full of diversity, if you can't deal with it, then it's not my problem, it's yours.

This is my opinion!

L. Vella

Jul 21st 2009, 12:15

Pt. 1
I am a gay person. I commend people who attended the parade, because I do believe we need our rights. Personally, I don't attent parades because I am neither proud nor unproud of being gay. I just am, I accepted myself and I would never ever choose to be straight if I were given the choice. I choose to express myself & fight for my rights in different ways.

The rights I want are:

1) If me & my partner buy a house, and one of us dies, I want it to go to him as next of kin, without having to do a will.
2) I want tax benefits that married people get.
3) If my partner falls ill & hospitalised, I would like to say I am his husband and allowed beside him, not just as a normal visitor, as if the years we spent together never mattered, because we are gay, and not have someone laugh at us.

Being gay is not just how we have sexual relations, there are all the above issues too, even more. Considering the fact that it is a painful process until you accept yourself.

Joe Xuereb

Jul 21st 2009, 12:13

Rightly or wrongly (rightly, as it happens), homosexuals - for the uninitiated, homosexuals are men, and women, who respond emotionaly and sexually to people of the same gender - are now very vocal. That is THEIR advancement. Their detractors - including many within their own ranks - have not moved on pari passo. The result is men like L. Dimech (I am assuming he his a man) find objectionable still homosexuals' right to express their anger. His only rebuttal being that 'soon straights will start clamouring for their own Pride Parade'. Thereby missing the point. Proof. Now I have no problem with a heterosexual parade. Provided of course that said hetersexuals have something to be proud of. Merely being heterosexual is not really good enough reason.
You object L. Dimech. With vehemence. I wonder why man. I wonder why.

Joe Xuereb

Jul 21st 2009, 11:54

Because monogamy is not a fact of life, homosexuals struggle. As do heterosexuals. Heterosexuality, therefore, is not automatically sorted. I do not take my orientation for granted if nothing else because it is not openly accepted. So I inform myself. To live a decent life. Mr. Heterosexual Alpha guy feels sanctioned, - he is! he is! - and asks no questions. No need. He thinks. But. He hates woman because she causes him so much frustrating grief. All along he calls her 'lady'. That is of course until he gets what he wants. Steak attained, she becomes grizzle. And he in search of other ladies. Not a pretty sight. He needs some introspection. He needs to leave me alone. But we CAN talk about the Human Condition common to us both. We could share the pain. And support each other. And he need not worry. He can keep his pants on. No sweat.
Saddest comment 'I'm gay and I hate gay prides. Being gay is a natural thing, i don't sneeze and make a pride out of it'
L. Dimech. What CAN I say? Tut-tut. All who attended the parade showed you up for what you are. Achievement indeed. cont./

louis zammit

Jul 21st 2009, 10:05

Gay pride yes or not....we gays just want to have our rights too..we are people that need the STATE to give us our RIGHTS........why shoud i not have my boyfriend recognised as MY partner and be given all THE RIGHTS like my next door neighbour?????? we are all children of malta as much as children of god.........

Ms P M Graham

Jul 21st 2009, 08:57

It's my experience, from 30 odd years that most people with an opinion on homosexuals, (including homosexuals) are either so extreme that no one listens (and who can blame them) or for many commenter's here, they don't care and don't see a point in the Gay Pride Parade.

I won't get involved in a battle royal with anyone over my choices and how I choose to live my life because, as many have also said here, it's no ones business.

That said however, I don't think people realize just how discriminated against, homosexuals are in Malta.

I'm not asking anyone to fight my battles for me. I'm not asking for compassion or sympathy as has also been mentioned here, but when people tick all the boxes and are basically guaranteed employment and that appointment is actually decided on sexual orientation how can that be right? How can we not care and how can it be allowed to continue?

One person can't change this alone, (though I am going to give it my best shot LOL) It needs a whole lot of people. Hence, the Gay Pride Parade.

Joe Xuereb

Jul 21st 2009, 01:22

cont./ I am very familiar with the kind of gay 'friends' you associate with Mr. Fenech. In my circle, we call them 'dawk li jaqbduh bil-karta' (ie. squeamish, handling everything with a tissue paper). The heterosexual counterpart of course exists. And these kinds of homosexuals emulate them, largely to ingratiate themselves and largely, pass for straight. I know the type well. I could expand on this theme but this is neither the time nor the place. Besides, I am not sure it is worth my time.

Joe Xuereb

Jul 21st 2009, 01:15

Joe Fenech. I have to say, yours is a rather bizarre take on the matter. Of course not all homosexuals are politicised. And of course many homosexuals do not talk about what they do in bed. But that is exactly the point Mr. Fenech. Homosexuality is hardly what homosexuals do in bed. I mean, would you define heterosexuality by what heterosexuals do in bed. I hope you do not for your sake and any women you consort with. Mr. Fenech, in the unlikely event that I were to be your 'friend', I would certainly not exchange bedroom tactics with you. But I would have plenty to say about what it means to be homosexual. And heterosexual too. You would be surprised what I know about being heterosexual. You see Mr. Fenech, heterosexuality is not only what goes on in the boudoir between husband and wife, Or whatever. Do not forget, I was brought up in a heterosexual family with hetero expectations. The phenomenon is around me 24/7.
You on the other hand, only have inherited myths about the homosexual's word. And as you yourself say, your cool gay 'friends' are not very forthcoming. Bizarre. Very bizarre. cont./

L Dimech

Jul 20th 2009, 22:15

Joe Xuereb, I never mentioned homosexuals.

You need to know that NOBODY GIVES A RAT'S BEHIND about what you and they do. Just do it , believe me NOBODY OTHER THAN YOURSELVES ARE INTERESTED. If you're convinced of what you are and what you do JUST GO AHEAD AND STOP PESTERING PEOPLE - that's all. You are the ones who are making it feel like you're handicapped.

You exasperate people with your attitude. I have never had any problem with homosexuals. The ones I know have the good taste of not discussing their sexual preferences, which don't concern others, period. They feel good with themselves, and have nothing to prove. And that's how it should be. These hysterical manifestations sit tight with them too.

We'll soon be expected to be embarrassed we're heterosexual. If everybody who's considered different goes out to para .. ....... we'll have to start thinking of a Straight Parade soon. Incidentally, has any of the paraders registered any improvement in his/her life since the parade?

Joe Fenech

Jul 20th 2009, 20:01

Kenneth Zammit Tabona : Don't make a fuss Kenneth! There's hardly the Ku Klux Clan on the gays' back in Malta. We've had gay ministers, politicians, professionals. They didn't come out, and they were right! Who wants to know what people do in bed and with whom! I have tons of gays friends abroad and in Malta, but we never discuss their or my sexuality. We don't want Little Britain's David, do we? NO FUSS, GUYS!

Joe Xuereb

Jul 20th 2009, 19:32

And Esmeralda can come too. Musn't forget Esmeralda. And the Hunchback. He may not be very pretty but he's human too.

Teresa Pace

Jul 20th 2009, 18:05

If my son were to come to say, 'Mom I'm gay'...I would still love him with the same love I loved him before (if not more as I will reason he will have plenty of currents against him now) but I could never expect the church to give him the blessings. I would accept him as he is my son, but I could never accept the Church to do the same. 'Accept' like the Church telling him, 'That's ok. You have our blessings'. The state part....yes I would expect that he will be given support from the state and rights just like any heterosexual person...but that's what I should expect. The Church, just like any other denominations and groups who believe in the bible, can never break God's word. Excuse me to those who said the Church manipulates or changes the bible...the bible is the bible...Many denominations use the same bible...the same used by the Catholic Church. The bible is the same for most Christian denominations including the Catholic faith. So how can quotations be misquoted from one denomination to another...it is the same bible.

R Sammut

Jul 20th 2009, 17:30

Seeing such comments proves the validity of the Pride March in Malta! hopefully someday there will be no need for such demonstartions! Till Next Year! Living OUT and PROUD!

Joe Xuereb

Jul 20th 2009, 16:34

A small clarification for those who may find it difficult to follow me (I always try and keep it simple and concise). For our purposes, 'in the same boat' means 'the shared human condition'. We are all burdened with it. We all need to deal with it. There is no respite. No let-up. No escape route. The human condition transcends gender and sexual orientation. As I was saying, we are all in the same boat. It is not comfortable. It is not meant to be. Human consciousness makes sure of that. It is only animals who live the life of Riley. Who is deprived of consciousness. We are not called Riley. We have human type awareness, unique and painful. We are locked in a kind of board-game called not unlike Snakes and Ladders. It is the Human Condition. Whoever you are, wherever you are, if you have failed to grasp this concept, I am afraid there is nought I can do for you. But there is a priest down the road who might put in a word for you. Try him. No bargaining/sale prices/discounts.
We are called Joe, Joseph, Josh, L. Teresa, and the rest. Altogether now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe Xuereb

Jul 20th 2009, 16:10

L. Dimech and suchlike. You speak of homosexuals as if they were handicapped. We're not you know.
Joss Galea, Alex & Joseph Borg, Teresa Pace and suchlike. Monogamy is not a fact of life. So I struggle. Last time I looked, monogamy was not a fact of life for heterosexuals either. So I presume they struggle too.
One solution to this struggle is to see monogamy as an aspiration. Aspiration equals commitment. Commitment needs a pay-off. Now I have found that commitment works best for me. Because I made sure, after a long search, that the pay-off was worthwhile. What my pay-off is, is a closely-guarded secret. To find it was my responsibility and my responsibility alone. No bibles, no gods. By the same token, heterosexuals who are struggling with monogamy as an aspiration equating commitment equating worthwhile pay-off - the tough news is they have to look for this pay-off. And they had better make sure that it is rock-solid, one that pays real dividends. My (big) mouth is sealed. Good luck. You need it.
PS You see children. The moral is that whoever we are, we are all in the same boat at the end of the day.

Mark Galea

Jul 20th 2009, 14:26

@L. Dimech
Agree with you. If anybody parades in the streets, s/he is bound to be commented on, both in favour and against, especially if s/he attacks the normal way of life. So what is all this fuss about?

L. Dimech

Jul 20th 2009, 13:42

It's not a question of bigotry and homophobia. If that's really how they are - good luck to them, nobody is interested who they choose to sleep with. It's a private, intimate choice - so keep it private and intimate, no need for any Parades unless it is to rally acceptance from the public.

If they accept themselves as they are, then that's all that should matter to them - no need to flaunt it, seeking acceptance from others - once they do, then they open themselves to comments - For and Against. They should be prepared to accept them as a direct result of their decision to parade themselves.

Andy Towler

Jul 20th 2009, 12:39

Well, it seems that homophobia and bigotry are still alive and well in Malta. Amazing (or is it) how many of the comments cited God but were totally lacking in compassion.

Anthea Agius

Jul 20th 2009, 11:50

Welldone Simon Busuttil and all other public figures who were present. MASW was also there. Welldone to MGRM for the organisation. Sharing in celebrations ... inspiring through courage ... tolerance and peace are simple acts but can require that we challenge ourselves sometimes!

Irene G

Jul 20th 2009, 11:43

Teresa Pace,

quote the bible all you want, but in TODAY'S world, we do not need to be 'compassionate' towards gay people. they're not cancer patients, for heaven's sake. they're not 'imsieken', or 'jahasra ejja nghinuhom ghax mhumiex bhalna'. gay people are no different from anyone else. what gender they are attracted to is something entirely personal and should be no concern of anyone but themselves....and it's certainly not a cause to be 'compassionate' with them about.

Joss Galea

Jul 20th 2009, 09:59

I totally agree with M. Debono. Heterosexuals don't do parades to show their sexual tendencies, so why should gays? I have nothing against gay people, infact I have gay friends, but I don't think that there sexuality is normal!! Biologically is not normal.

Alex Borg

Jul 20th 2009, 09:14

I am not much of a religious man and church goer but totally agree with Teresa Pace in that the Church can never accept homosexuality as much as it can never accept divorce or birth control by contraceptives. We can all recognize the fact that they exist and it stops there. I'm not so sure how proud a parent of a gay person can be. Just can't imagine my son coming to tell me he's gay and I would be jumping with joy all around town. He can be accepted as he is and it stops there. So are homosexuals really proud to be gay or is it just their way to hit back at those who find them repulsive.

Joe Galea

Jul 20th 2009, 08:10

@Teresa Pace: Please give us a break from your biblical quotes. Remember that the bible was translated and re-translate million times over the years. The church has twisted all the facts in order to keep a grip on society. Fortunately that grip is weakinging, but in a country like Malta where bigotry is high, it is difficult to eliminate such influence. Remember that the church had a female Pope, another one who had children, killed million of innocent people...all in the name of GOD (obviously not the real one).

By the way how do you know that the verse you quoted is God speaking. Did He call you Himself? By the way, Gays are not requesting for the church's blessing but they are asking for State rights.

Joe Galea

Jul 20th 2009, 08:05

To all haters (Catholic paladins) in the house: The Catholic church projects its GOD as a vindictive being that everything you do out of the norm you will be barbequed, even for just a simple thought. The holy Catholics on this island think that they are superior beings, because they go to hear a mass of which many of them spend it chattering and playing with their mobile phone. Moreover, they go to church as it is still free, handing out free Hosts.

The true God is definitely not the Catholic one (I was Catholic but I renounced) is a loving God who loves all His creations, being straight, gay, bi, black, white, tall, short, disabled or not. He wants them to live their creation to the full and be positive and reach their full potential for the well-being of humanity. I never read of Jesus telling to kill gays or to hate them or beta them up. Maybe only on some Catholic church translated bibles you might find some of this hatred crap.

God loves all of us...ALL!!!

PS: Those who are homophobic are so because they are not comfortable with their sexuality themselves.

Joe Galea

Jul 20th 2009, 07:57

I am amazed that at this age there is still this rampant homophobia. homophobic ppl like Rocco Cauchi, Matthew Cremona, etc. have a space in here to show their Holy Catholic hatred which the church teaches to its saintly followers.

To Matthew Cremona, I tell you that disgusting is your reasoning and not the Gay Pride parade. Homosexuals do this pride to show others (especially narrow-minded like you) that the world is made of DIVERSITY. They just want to make their presence felt witht he aim that governments, etc realise that Homosexual are there and they should be catered for too like any other citizen.

@Joseph Borg: Can you define what is normal? With what measure you calculate normality? Why don't yo speak about difference instead of normality? I am sorry but I can say that you are not normal too because you are hetero. You are just common.

o pace

Jul 20th 2009, 00:18

Can`t believe the ignorance of certain so called, modern , civilized people! Aren`t gay people created by God?
If Not ,dear so called religious KNOW IT ALLs who did then? But before answering, please do reflect as GOd did not only create "normal" ( as some say) people. There are many others like Handicapped ppl , blind ppl, deaf ! we never say anything about these ppl ! Should we love them any less ?Aren`t they all human beings like us?
If we had to abide by the word of God..didn`t He also say "Love thy nieghbour as yourself."?

D Attard

Jul 19th 2009, 23:09

@Teresa Pace
I do understand your argument yet the Church chooses what in the Bible should be taken literally and what shouldn't. It says the story of Adam and Eve, Jonah's three day soujourn inside a big fish and other accounts as "stories" that better explain the idea. In my opinion this is quite confusing, it's as if the "embarrassing bits" have acquired this angle, whereas others remain dictum.
I respect all homosexuals and I am not in the least concerned what they do and not do with their private lives. This is clearly not the church's view, but had I been homosexual that would have been the least of my worries.

Ernest Vella

Jul 19th 2009, 21:36

D.Grima - for sure you will accept everyone in your church and to do what so ever he likes...people like you twist the bible as they wish...the important is that we become popular....is this right intention?

The Catholic Church welcome people who are homosexual...she doesn't agree with sex outside marriage and that's it...altough the church understands if one of their children sin...for the church is made of sinners

The Catholic Church is not a man made religion but is the religion built by God through his Son...God is always actual but we think that satisfying our sense will be better...see were we arrived and were we are going...God is more worthed now than ever...no one is imposing once faith but it is also true that in there moment of death most of God's denial people turns to him to get saved...umbat imorru d-Duluri, r-Redentur, knisja kuljum....what hypocricy...altough we can call it also the grace of repentance...but who dies young...what does it happen to him...saying that he was a holy man does not give him the ticket!!!

Melissa Bagley

Jul 19th 2009, 20:57

Hi Nathan

No offense, but your comment "the only people with no rights are white,adult heterosexual,adult males" made me think - people who are male, white, adult and heterosexual are considered the "main" or "dominant" stream in society (at least traditionally in this part of the world) as the "norm" against which everything else is measured against. They do have rights like anybody else - it is only now that they seem eclipsed.....because multiple voices and identities are coming into the open, in particular those who have been invisible for a long time......

Joe Xuereb

Jul 19th 2009, 20:16

E. Vassallo. Who in their right mind would wilfully opt to be homosexual. With all the aggro and no benefits. Who in their right mind would wilfully opt to be heterosexual. With all the aggro and no benefits. You get the point. We are all in the same boat. It is called the human condition. Rise above it. Transcend.
Teresa Pace. Never mind what God said. Or the Bible. Regarding sexuality generally, tell people that indiscriminate promiscuity is dangerous because two living creatures in close contact exchange stuff. The very reason why animals, devoid of reason and insight, are ridden with infections unknown to man. People might listen. And take heed. And precautions. Alternatively, you could tell people to only do missionary, beget children, only when married, etc. You get the picture. I think most people these days would find the second alternative impractical and laughable. If God were a stand-up comedian, they would in fact throw up under the tables. Sorry to be the bringer of bad news dear. I can assure you. I am no stand-up comic. I am deadly serious.

Maria Abela

Jul 19th 2009, 20:15

I'm gay and I hate gay prides. Being gay is a natural thing, i don't sneeze and make a pride out of it.

Robert Callus

Jul 19th 2009, 19:44

@Alison Bezzina
I read the letters you recieved. I feel shocked and ashamed to be Maltese and heterosexual like the ones who wrote them. Such people are not only living in the Dark Ages but committing emotial abuse and unnecessary harm on peope like you and your partner who are just minding their own business.
I bet Christ himself would be ashamed of them

Robert Callus

Jul 19th 2009, 19:34

@Theresa Pace
'This is God speaking. Thus if the Church allows it, it will be going against the word of God. That's about it. Since the Church teaches God's word it has no option but to abide by it.'

That is exactly the same discourse used by people like the Taliban to justify what they do (indluding killing homosexuals)' They have to do it poor guys, God told them so.

Homosexuals are asking nothing from the church except to mind it's own business and leave them alone (ironically what most Afghans and Pakistani people are asking from the Taliban).

J. Foster

Jul 19th 2009, 18:37

Probably, many gay people wanted to attend, but decided not to because they fear discrimination. Many people around the world, including Malta, attend parades in Toronto, Amsterdam and Barcelona because in their country, homosexuality is a taboo and gay people are not protected by law. Homosexuality is still illegal in various countries.

Gay people are everywhere. 40, 000 Maltese gay people will attend next year's parade, if within this year:
1. People who think homosexuality is not normal or disgusting, die or change their mentality.

2. Same-sex marriages become legal, and gay couples enjoy the benefits as straight couples do. We all pay the same taxes, right?

3. Gay people become FULLY protected by law.

Alex Tonna

Jul 19th 2009, 18:13

Why do people feel the urge to tell “all and sundry” what their sexual preferences are? I am quite sure that nobody cares about what’s going on in the privacy of other peoples’ homes.There are probably numerous sexual fantasies out there, so I will leave the particulars to one’s imagination. However is it necessary to have a (poorly attended)parade with whistles down Republic Street for each and every sexual inclination?

E. Vassallo

Jul 19th 2009, 17:00

@ Rocco Cauchi and Matthew Cremona

I am not gay but I really find some comments disgusting. I wonder what reaction would have been if you had a close relative who is a gay or a lesbian. You and people who are of the same mentality show how prejudiced some Maltese are with regards to equal rights for everyone. Do you think they choose their sexuality??

Teresa Pace

Jul 19th 2009, 16:45

The Church can never and will never be in favour of homosexuals. Although the Church is and should be compassionate towards them, it is written in the bible that Man and woman were they created. Genesis 2, v 24 ' Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh'. This is God speaking. Thus if the Church allows it, it will be going against the word of God. That's about it. Since the Church teaches God's word it has no option but to abide by it.
We should be compassionate, we should help them but we cannot expect the Church to say, 'Go ahead you have our blessings.'

R Sammut

Jul 19th 2009, 15:29

@ Joseph Borg
The Biggest Problem with Gays are people like you who think that they are normal and can define what is normal or not.....Both Hetro and Homo is found in nature but Hetro is more common. Homosexuality is Scientifically proved as Natural and Normal its just different and found in smaller numbers!

Yes, If you were Gay or try to understand what being gay is all about, you would definitley change your approach, If some oppose the fact that we are Normal it is all a matter of ignornance and lack of understanding, we are normal on both biological, emotional and social levels, we love, we care, we feel, we have relationships, we pay Taxes & Bills often at higher rates than most of our heterosexual counetrparts do, yet the only thing that makes us Less Normal is the fact that we do not get the Rights, Recognition and Benefits that Heterosexuals take for granted!

R Sammut

Jul 19th 2009, 15:16

Dear Hetrosexual friends, I really wish that Gay Prides were not needed, (would have rather been to Ghadira than at Valletta in the basking Sun) But if you do a small find out in an objective way, Im sure you will find ample reasons for This Manifestation.

@ Matthew DeMartino, believe me mate, As an average 10% of the population is gay/bi I can assure you (noted by tourists) in Malta the percentage is much higher, little do you know how many supposedly straight people (be it married men, priests etc) try to hit on us, secondly your argument that since there was a low turnout = few gay people.....doesnt make sense at ALL, many people did not turn out as they are not out, fear discrimination, Work (if you want to play stereo-types most Hairdressers have a busy day on Saturday) & Other than this some gay people are so used to living "with limited rights" and facing such homophobic threats that they practically are adapting to second class treatment.

As for gay bars, gay parties etc Im afraid that the crowd is 50% hetero so it is just a matter of a safer enviornment not exclusion!

Nathan Young

Jul 19th 2009, 14:27

@all
With gay and lesbian rights,children's rights,women's rights and immigrants rights the only people with no rights are white,adult heterosexual,adult males.
If the police stop a black person for any reason they face accusations of racism,if they stop a white person there are they have to accept it,as both colours should.

Joseph Borg

Jul 19th 2009, 14:12

The biggest problem gays have is that they think that they're normal. Sorry you're not. I'm not insulting you, but you have to accept the truth.

If I were a gay I'd adopt a different approach. Because I sometimes think that when gays say that they are 100% normal they create more confusion and opposition to their situation.

Ms P M Graham

Jul 19th 2009, 11:53

S.Calleja wrote: There was a need for this in the past, when gays were actually discriminated against based on their sexual orientation, but nowadays these days are gone. The law nowadays does not discriminate between gay/straight or male/female, or even fully functional/disabled... [end quote]

Oh dear how I wish this were true. Do you honestly believe this?

The law may not discriminate but discrimination is very much out there.

Joe Xuereb

Jul 19th 2009, 11:52

A. Borg. Nature is messy - no, 'she' is not Mother Nature - but it is all we have. We have earthquakes, resultant tsunamis, gay folk, tall folk, red-headed folk, with or without freckles, we have you and we have me. Men and women (definition never in black and white, please note) have the mechanisms to increase and multiply. Job done. But beyond this basic fact, can you tell me please, of all the things that shore up said basic fact, and in words that even I can understand, can you define normal for me. Be careful. Be very, very careful. Because, as a homosexual belonging to an oppressed minority simply because it chooses to hold a man's hand rather than stab him all over the place, I have pondered my sexual orientation widely and since forever. Have you pondered YOUR sexual orientation, beyond 'I like(?) women, therefore I am OK, I am normal, no questions asked, sanctioned by church and state, in all my buddies in competition. Please do not evade the question A. Borg. Evasion is never an option in matters important.

D Attard

Jul 19th 2009, 11:31

@A Borg
Tell that to a heterosexual man or woman who can't have children.

Alison Bezzina

Jul 19th 2009, 11:06

This is why....because closed minded people still think they can impose their believes on others.....

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/album.php?aid=93462&id=726202665&comments

Joe Xuereb

Jul 19th 2009, 09:32

I do not like the word gay. I don't do gay. I do homosexual. I am a man who relates to men, emotionally and sexually. This is what I am. Together with some of the world's greatest historical figures (list published on request). Get over it.
Homosexuality is not a separate nexus. It is a continuum. We are all made up of male and female. Literally. I know more effeminate heterosexual men than I know homosexual. But that is me. I am a bloke who lives in a blokes world. Get over it. And do not look for my front-door to set ablaze. You won't find it. I keep it secret. Shame on you. And if you object to my being a man
who loves men - as opposed to one who punches men in a boxing ring for money and accolades, right? Right!! - because of your religion. That is your problem to sort out. I dealt with that one ages ago. And it works to my benefit in a million, trillion ways. Get over it. Get a life. And respect your woman/women. Likewise to the womenfolk. Just get over it. And move on. Incidentally, there ain't no afterlife.

A.Borg

Jul 19th 2009, 09:16

I cannot agree that being GAY is Totally Normal. For a simple reason. Gays cannot, if not by UN-Natural resorces have offspring.
I have nothing against Gays, but I cannot accept that it is Normal. Being unable to have an offspring un-natural simply means there is something missing.

Joseph Borg

Jul 19th 2009, 09:11

What SPECIFIC rights do these people want? What do they think they are? Everybody knows that the Church has a mind of its own, not just with gays but with everyone. It's everybody's fault for giving the church so much power.

Condoms, divorce, same marriage sex. Isolate the church and you'll get them!

Joseph Carmel Chetcuti

Jul 19th 2009, 03:59

Congratulations. The movement is slowly but steadily growing. But there should be more and more Maltese.

Why gay pride? Because for a very long time, gay men and lesbians have been made to feel ashamed of their sexuality. Because gay men and lesbians have been made invisible. Because one's sexuality is not immediately apparent as is the case with one's ethnicity or colour. This is the strongest political weapon we have. We come out not just to our friends and families who may or may not accept or tolerate our sexuality. We come out publicly. We claim the streets as our own. And because the private has become political. We confront society and its prejudices ... and its assumption that men and women are to be presumed heterosexual. We are blatant not latent. We say: here we are, as individuals, as couples and as families.


Joseph Carmel Chetcuti

Stephen Farrugia

Jul 19th 2009, 03:37

Gay pride = Show gays are different which is not = to what gays want to achieve.

Fullstop

Joe Fenech

Jul 18th 2009, 22:27

S. Calleja:

Spot on!!

These gays remind me of the David the Welsh homosexual figure in 'Little Britain' who victimises himself, exercises self pity, and makes a big fuss over his orientation when there's no need to!

After, one does in bed is his bussiness! I don't have to flaunt my gayness or straightness at work or at an interview so why even think that one will discriminate against you!!

Yes, it's 2009!!! Why does Malta introduce things always (at least) 30 years laters than western countries?!

If Simon Busuttil wanted to defend gays, he should have done it in the European Parliament instead of not voting in favour of the anti-gay discrimination law! He should also fight for Malta to have laws that defend cohabiting couples (gay or hetero).

c.caruana

Jul 18th 2009, 21:05

It is important to say im gay and im proud of being so because you'll always going to find people telling you why you don't have a boyfriend and why you're not normal and the way you dress. We want to have equal rights as others, knowing we're not the same as heterosexuals and proud of our difference.

Joe Xuereb

Jul 18th 2009, 19:58

Thanks KZT.
Try as I may, the diehards will not budge who insist that 'I have nothing against gays personally, but.....'. Or, 'some of my best friends are....' Totally unaware of course that they damn themselves with every syllable. As I said earlier, when one's own sexuality goes unanalysed, - and it is felt, why should it be - that sexuality remains raw and feral. Characterized by men who call women girl, or bird, or bitch, or lady. Oddly enough, I find this last one the most offensive to women. Of course many women love it and fall for it every time. Such is the world of the suprematist hetersexual male, with the colluding female not lagging far behind. The English expression 'living in a fool's paradise' comes to mind. In Maltese, 'ferhanin ghax cwiec'. These are the same people who rubbish everybody sexuality but their own. If only they knew. Listen guys, I know it won't make a tiny bit of difference. But take my word, just because you are straight does not automatically mean you are sorted. Not by a long stretch. Sorry to be the bringer of disquieting news. Go now and respect your women.

Kenneth Zammit Tabona

Jul 18th 2009, 19:03

Mrs Graham
If only Malta and the Maltese could live up to your daughter's expectations.
James De Giorgio
While I am with you entirely regarding everone being with everyone, that luxury still does not exist for may people. This is why I was at gay Pride this morning.
Rocco Cauchi
Enjoy the Anglican Services wherein in many instances an openlu gay padre will officiate........and please do try to be less judgemental. It will help you live far more comfortably in your skin.

As may be seen in this blog, comprehension of what it means to be gay in a country like ours which sometimes resembles an outpost of the Vatican, is non existent and it is good to have things like Gay Pride Marches as they provoke discussions like this in which many misconceptions may be aired and addressed.

Attending gay Pride along with the activists and the politicos this morning was a departure from my comfort zone and yet I felt duty bound to be there if only to show others that there are plenty of people who are suffering in closets that although many times are self-imposed are torturechambers all the same.

M. Debono

Jul 18th 2009, 19:00

Dear Mr. Joe Xuereb,

It seems you went completely out of your way to attack the wrong person.

I have nothing against gays, in fact as already told, some of my friends are gays, some of my clients are gay, and even some of my family are gay.

I respect them a lot, they are very loyal friends, and when we meet I treat them as equals, not as gays or heterosexual, but as a human being, and as the person they are.

However, I still find it strange, that they tell the whole world, 'I am gay and proud of it' - this for me is nonsense!!

One last thing, my two favourite artists are Freddie Mercury (Queen) and Elton John. In my opinion two of the most talented artist of recent times. Guess what - they are gays!

c.caruana

Jul 18th 2009, 18:58

@Rocco Cauchi
How Pathetic!!
Gay and proud!!

Jeremy J Camilleri

Jul 18th 2009, 18:47

If Gays want to organise a parade, why should anyone here complain or try to dissect the meanings behind it?

What is so threatening about a gay parade for some folks?

Matthew DeMartino

Jul 18th 2009, 18:45

Many commentators are convieniantly trying to drag God into the argument in order to justify Homosexuality. Gays have a right to live but not impose or ask for more rights. They may practice their sexual orientation in private, not flaunt it in public. This is a tolerant nation, but let us not go overboard.

If our politicians chose to associate themseloves with this minority, it is only to gain symathy from a minority while disgusting the rest of us. Would the politicians march with a group of people who discriminate against homosexuals or march in the protest of their exsistance.

The small attendance onlt goes to show that homosexuals in Malta are not that numerous and allowing them to throw their weight around is tantamount to perverse. With this line of argument, we shoudl allow xenophobic organisations who fuel racist ideology and any extreme group who would like facism or communism to grow in our midst, after all even these minoritis have rights.

But when individuals spoke out against the African invasion, they were labled Nazis and Racists for fear of an ever-growing right wing movement and were even handed suspended jail terms with the right of appeal revoked.

Pathetic!

Rachel Spiteri

Jul 18th 2009, 18:32

Let people date who ever they want. Open your minds that gay people are still people and they have feelings. We need to be more open minded about lots of stuff in Malta especially this. Live and let live.

Joe Xuereb

Jul 18th 2009, 18:19

Thanks Mrs. Graham.
London Pride was just two weeks ago. There were kids on floats possibly supporting gay siblings, relatives, why, maybe even parents and grandparents. All of humanity was there.
I find many of the comments here very telling, viz. 'why cannot gay people behave normally and mix with normal people and be accepted'. Not unlike asking a black person to behave like they were white and everything would be hunky dory.
Interesting. As I said earlier, heterosexuals do not question their sexuality. They take it for granted. It is approved, encouraged and endorsed. Homosexuals people have none of these comfort blankets so they question, question. They become quite adept at SEXUALITY, their own and in the wider, widest sense. Not all but many do. The information is out there. In if so inclined, they act our their sexuality quite admirably too. The heterosexuals, the complacent, the non-questioning because they feel they do not need to - they are regular hey!! - remain primitive, primeval, alpha (the men in particular). This is why the straight world's so messed up and I would not want to be part of it beyond the absolutely necessary - and then on MY terms.

D Vella

Jul 18th 2009, 17:15

You miss the whole point Mr.Farrugia(and others). The idea behind Gay Pride is to show that just because one is gay,he/she is just like any other person..proud to be who they are. Sadly,although you may think that gays are just like you(I presume you are hetero)they are not,for the simple reason that the State does not allow them the many rights you enjoy as a matter of right and the very dominant Church in Malta still preaches brimstone and hellfire. Ask the many very talented gay people who found life so insufferable here that they had no choice but to emigrate(Malta's loss).Ask the many who live their life in silence and most of their life in fear on these Islands. For everyone of those present at that march you can safely multiply each of them by a hundred each.Yet they have to remain silent.Brave are those who are willing to be counted in a small insular narrow minded place such as this. Gay Pride may be a celebration for those in Sydney or Berlin or Paris on London,for those gays that live here it's a daily struggle.

Ms P M Graham

Jul 18th 2009, 16:04

My youngest daughter commented on the low turn out at todays event, (which we attended as a family) I had warned them all that Malta was different. :) and not to expect lots of other children and their parents as a lot of Gay People in Malta aren't free to be Gay for all the reasons posted in D Vella's post.

"How sad", she said, "people should be proud of who they are".

Hmm, from the mouths of babes..........but then my children have been raised to be accepting of all and that discrimination in any form is wrong.

We have attended Gay Pride Parades all over the World and this was definitely the smallest, BUT, what it lacked in, in size it truly made up for in enthusiasm and the friendliest of welcomes.

Well done organizers and here's to 2010!!

Mark Buhagiar

Jul 18th 2009, 15:46

To M. Debono

Being heterosexual was never discriminated against. Being gay was, and it still is.
I think that what they want to do by such demonstration is a futile (unfortunately) trial to change the prevailing mentality.

So for correction's sake...I don't think they are proud of being gay as such. they are proud of having the courage to come out as gays.

To Ernst

I can understand the point of view of the church.... but ... well although some Christian principles will hold on forever because they are logical (not because the Church was creative/ original in laying them out for us...other philosophers more than 2000 years ago coined certain terms and what constitutes morality) I feel that such religion's time has passed.

It's time to move on.

That's my personal opinion...and I feel it reflects the majority's. This religion's popularity is decreasing since it is not meeting the needs and circumstances of a changing society and societal psychology.

What was ideal in the past is humor to the present.
''What Man once created, Man can always destroy'' (for the better, hopefully)

James De Giorgio

Jul 18th 2009, 15:22

Well honestly I fail to see the point of the Gay Pride parades. Gays are people like everyone else and are only widening or parading "differences" in sexuality through these parades. Moreover reading in the news about placards rubbishing the church (in parades in europe) only makes me angry and loses my sympathy. If they don't want to be rubbished, why rubbish others? My advice to gays would be, stop gay bars, stop gay events, and mix with everyone, don't create ghettos, they only serve to promulgate a "they're gays, we're not" attitude from the rest of us and that would be very unfortunate. Creating a separate gay culture won't help. I call on everyone to be with everyone.

Joe Xuereb

Jul 18th 2009, 14:52

Congratulations to the Malta Gay Movement. The voice may small and that is very significant in itself. On and onward, I am proud of you for being proud in spite of the oppression, visible or perceived. Big thanks to the organisers.

Joe Xuereb (London)

guzexuereb@hotmail.com

Joseph Borg

Jul 18th 2009, 14:42

I can never understand the 'pride' in being gay. Not that I am a homophobic, but do gays need to go parading around to feel normal?

Its always the same people who are in thee activities. I think that most of the gays are fed up of this circus themselves.

Joe Xuereb

Jul 18th 2009, 14:21

cont./ It is oppression across the board. Because the bad news Debono, is that heterosexual men (and women) are as much oppressed as any homosexual minority.
Mr. Debono, I reckon you could change your friends. Or get into some serious discussion with the ones you have.
Heterosexuality is not penalised. It is rewarded. So why should you feel proud about something that is endorsed by Church and State? But do not be too complacent Debono. Mark my words. Gay oppression is class oppression. It is oppression across the board. Because the bad news is that, heterosexual men (and women) are as much oppressed as any homosexual minority. Just food for thought. I hope I got through to you. Or someone. That's good enough for me.
Malta is a token secular state. So, because it is the Church that rules the roost. The State my nod in acquiescence but it is the Church that pulls the strings. As long as this state of affairs continues, oppressions of all kinds will continue.
Pity the commentators who will vote against a favoured party just because its representative had the audacity to support a minority group. Is this the level of voting in Malta?

Ramon Casha

Jul 18th 2009, 14:20

@Rocco Cauchi: How pathetic. "Become homophobes or I won't worship at your church or vote for your party". I'm not a church or a party, but if I were, I'd attend the pride march simply to get people like you to leave.

@J Callus: Yes the argument is with the church. There are many things in the old testament that are no longer followed. The church decides what to keep and what to discard.

@Matthew Cremona: It is shocking that only a few representatives of each party attended. In the case of Simon Busuttil, I wonder why his support for gays has so far not been reflected by his votes in the EP. I do like your suggestion about gay marriage and adoption though. I'm glad you agree with them.

@M Debono: well, heterosexuals being in a majority, a "straight pride march" would be kinda pointless. It is intended to raise awareness, and for other people to publicly show their support.

A Debono

Jul 18th 2009, 14:16

@ M Debono,
In the past (and in some cases even now) gay people were forced to remain in the closet... showing that they are "proud to be gay" is a statement that they are not afraid to show that they are gay. In gay pride parades they feel empowered together and it is a reminder that they don't need to hide away their sexuality.

Joe Xuereb

Jul 18th 2009, 14:06

If society expects you to feel ashamed for being fat, thin, lefthanded, redhaired, etc. then to be proud to be these things (meaning proud to be gay) is legitimate, victory in spite of the odds. Are you still there Debono? A justly 'proud' homosexual is one who is in a respectable, responsible, professional job, out to his family and friends and everybody else. And not by acting gay or showing he is gay. But simply by being gay and stating the fact when he is asked. Now that is a homosexual who has won against all the odds. Mr. Debono, I bet not many of your friends fit the bill. I bet you find your homosexual very amusing. And I bet your homosexual friends like to amuse you. Anybody's clown. Everybody's clown. Straight at home. And to church on Sunday.
Debono, I reckon you could change or friends. Or get into some serious discussion with the ones you have.
Heterosexuality is not penalised. It is rewarded. So why should you feel proud about something that is endorsed by Church and State? But do not be too complacent Debono. Mark my words. Gay oppression is class oppression. cont./.

man busuttil

Jul 18th 2009, 14:02

Watching this video four things came to mind:
1. how very artificial
2. there was no pride in your attitude
3. outraged - ????????
4. and finally PATHETIC!!!!!

S C Portelli

Jul 18th 2009, 13:46

@M Debono
While thanking you for your contribution, I would like to explain what is the meaning of 'gay pride'. It means a civil manifestation of a group of people who have historically been discriminated against, and who are still suffering varying levels of discrimination and prejudice in their daily lives because of whom they love. Of course there is nothing wrong with being proud of being 'heterosexual' or 'homosexual' for that matter - but it is the sign of a free and truly open society that manifestations by historically oppressed minorities are not only tolerated but also actively celebrated by all. 150 people is no small number for Malta - obviously for those of us who are still 'hidden' in fear of their families, their jobs and their friends, the process of coming out is a slow, painful but ultimately liberating experience.

S. Calleja

Jul 18th 2009, 13:14

What is the problem with gay people, and what do they want? If they want people to treat them like everybody else, they should start behaving like everybody else first and foremost. I don't know of any straight people who organize "Straight Prides" and make public demonstrations. There was a need for this in the past, when gays were actually discriminated against based on their sexual orientation, but nowadays these days are gone. The law nowadays does not discriminate between gay/straight or male/female, or even fully functional/disabled. True, there are still many homophobic people around, but you can't expect to please everyone - some get bullied because they are too short, others because they are bald, others because they're gay. Seek protection and advice from the relevant authorities. And thank God you can do this. It's 2009.

Joanne Micallef

Jul 18th 2009, 13:11

What gay pride??? Looking at the footage one gets more a sense of shame rather than pride at being gay. How can gays expect to see some changes if they themselves opt out of such events instead of attending to send a clear message that they are part of this society and therefore should not be discriminated by our authorities.
Well done to Simon Busuttil and Evarist Bartolo for attending, no matter if one agrees or not with the event, in a free democratic country one should be free and able to show ones support without any fear of judgment or worse still retaliation.

Stephen Farrugia

Jul 18th 2009, 13:11

Gay pride is stupid... it just accentualises that being gay is not a norm...

For all the people who are gay, and who I respect... i don't wish to see any of them in a rally that stupid....

Being gay isn't a difference,...or so we were led to believe... being gay is a norm in certain beings, and we accept it. But boasting in a parade is STUPID.... Lets do a straight parade now... and we'll see how many people come... None... because its the norm!!!

They do it abroad to symbolise the win towards gay rights, and in malta it's been almost 37 years since being gay isn't a pride... so why is it they do the parade now??

For me this parade is an insult to gay people. And I hope that certain homosexuals see what I see in this parade; a bunch of clowns happy that they are different, instead of saying "we're the same"

adrian huber

Jul 18th 2009, 13:04

@ Matthew Cremona, Roccho Cauchi

I am not gay however I still have a problem with your homophobic comments. This parade is held because their are still people like you who think they are in a position to pass moral judgement on others. Now tell me; how is it that God allows people to be born gay (this is something that is biological not merely a personal choice) and you decide that its not right? Are you in a position to question your Gods decisions? For God ALL men are equal and he accepts everyone. It is you who is not accepting.

By the way. Its a sin only if you are a Catholic. So to tell someone they are wrong in being gay first you have to convert them to your religion. I suspect that the same so called Christians who are homophobic are also the same one who have a problem with black people in Malta. Caught up in their parrochial, close minded, moral high ground

Mary Anne Zammit

Jul 18th 2009, 12:57

Homosexuals have a right to express their sexual orientation like everyone else, and it was Christ himself who preached love for all.
I see nothing wrong if two polticians attended for the parade. On the contrary it shows that they are close to the citizen's needs.
For instance the Greens political parties across Europe support the rights of minorities and gays are one of them.Well done Dr. Simon Busuttil and Mr. Evarist Bartolo, more politicians should follow your example.

Jeramie Hawker

Jul 18th 2009, 12:44

I was expecting to see the British Morris Dancers in the vedio, instead of the gay Gordons blowing a whistle. Still Live and let live and good luck to them all., thats my motto. i am glad to see that malta is improving and not hiding behind the curtains as they used to do a few years back because the church said so, boy those dark days are over and even in most countries in europe vickers, priests, politicians,teachers, lawyers call them what you want are backing the minorities., However if you really want to see a good parade, one should try and see the one in Sydney.

Jeremy J Camilleri

Jul 18th 2009, 12:42

M Debono. I am also Heterosexual, and still attended the Gay rights march.

I am also 34, been working since I was 17, and as yet, have never been discriminated against, or abused because of my heterosexuality.

Unfortunately, most gays can't say the same!!!!!

Clyde Ellul

Jul 18th 2009, 12:42

@Rocco Cauchi
A small correction: ZHN will be taking part in the show, through their choir and band Symphonik, and not simply attending it

I am a member of Zghazagh Haddiema Nsara, and I will proudly be taking part in the mentioned concert tonight.

The concert, titled Sounds of Diversity, aims at bringing together people from different nations, cultures, ages, social backgrounds and yes - sexual preferences to produce a show together that is sure to entertain the audience present.

For the record, I am not gay, and neither are most of my fellow choir members, and ZHN is not a pro-gay organisation. However, we also believe that God created us all equal, and one should not hate or discriminate against someone based on their sexual or any other preferences. And we believe that the best way of delivering that message, is to produce something together as one.

This is the aim of the show, to whom we are expecting both gay and heterosexual people to attend. We invite you to attend, too. You won't regret it. :)

George Pace

Jul 18th 2009, 12:39

2 politicians and three score people. I've seen larger parades near the peak of Mt. Everest.

D Grima

Jul 18th 2009, 12:35

Mr Cauchi.I'm sure you will be welcomed in a Protestant Church,but I have to tell you that on the whole the Protestant Church is very welcoming to Gays,maybe the Catholic Church should be likewise.

Yes you heard right,ZHN are taking part in the concert tonight, some tickets still available if you wish to go.

In any case,personally I couldn't give a toss what the Catholic Church says.All I want is equal rights for all,and that includes gays.

M. Debono

Jul 18th 2009, 12:29

What is the meaning of gay pride.

I'm heterosexual, but I'm not proud to be heterosexual. I am just what I am.

I have nothing against gays, in fact some friends of mine are gays, they are very outgoing, friendly and easy going persons, and I respect them a lot,
however I still cannot understand the meaning of a person being proud that he is gay.

He should be what he is, he has every right to live his life as a gay, and no one should ever point a finger at gays, as it is my belief that they are born gays, and it is not their choosing to become one.

michael debono

Jul 18th 2009, 12:28

this is so dissappointing......Malta Gay Rights Movement always stated that in Malta there are over 25000 gays........ to have 150 or less demonstrators is really poor !

Bernard Muscat

Jul 18th 2009, 12:20

On behalf of the Malta Gay Rights Movement, I would like to extend our thanks to all those who joined us this morning for the Gay Pride March - and all those who have attended the numerous other events organized by MGRM for this year's 'DiversCITY Week'.

'DiversCITY Week' comes to a close this evening with 'Sounds of Diversity', a concert which will see the Symphonik choir of the Zghazagh Haddiema Nsara collaborate with The Pink Singers, a gay and lesbian choir from London. The concert will take place at City Theatre in Valletta, and starts at 20:30.

Ernest Vella

Jul 18th 2009, 12:02

Separate Church and State and at the same time the Zghazagh Haddiema Nsara will take part...interesting

The issue of morality regardin gays...the church teaches that they are also an image of Christ and there must be full respect and love towards them...but the church cannot for sure be in favour of a sexual relationship between two of same sex because it immoral and against nature...(against nature also for they are not compatable also as a body structure)...it is immoral to be married for marriage is an institution between a man and a woman...and cannot adopt children for they are not called a family, in its true meaning.

Well, for sure our friends will not agree with it and can counter argue but one thing is for sure everyone must respect them and threat them like everyone...who make laugh of these people for sure he/she is being also immoral

C.Caruana (323)

Jul 18th 2009, 11:55

I am in support of such parades to give gay (homosexual) people their dignity and not to be discriminated against! However, from some placards it seems that the parade somewhat turned into something against the church rather than pressing for their rights which are theirs (all except sexual ones)!

This is not fair on the church especially since she accepts everyone including gays and lesbians and also provide support for them (that civil society sometimes does not). What constitutes a grave SIN is the consensual sexual relationships amongst couples from the same sex including that of heterosexuals (outside marriage)! In the case of homosexuals, the church invites them to offer such sufferings with that of God for the purification of souls!

Matthew Cremona

Jul 18th 2009, 11:55

Shocking and Pathetic!!!!

This is an insult to the Nation. For Simon Busittil and Evarist Bartolo to associate themselves with such a disgusting performance is shallower than shallow. What are our political parties trying to do now? Buy sympathy from Gays, lesbains and transvestites. And all this while shouting out against illegal immigration lands you a two-year suspended sentence. Why don't you legalise gay marriages and gay adoptions for that matter.

Rocco Cauchi

Jul 18th 2009, 11:51

Party reps taking part? State which parties please - they will not get my vote next time round.
Zghazagh Haddiema Nsara will be attending the concert? I expect an immediate Curia reaction /statement, or I bet I will do my Sunday Service in a Protestant Church tomorrow.

Paul Fenech

Jul 18th 2009, 11:39

they should work more on it and make an proper event out of it! two thumbs up for the event!

J Callus

Jul 18th 2009, 11:37

One writing asked for the 'seperation of the church and hate'.
One may ask, why not 'seperation of God and hate'? as the argument is not with the Church.

D Vella

Jul 18th 2009, 11:35

There would have been a lot more at that march, but because of ill founded prejudice at home.the workplace and the religious right people are afraid to show themselves. Gays still get beaten up and murders have taken place in recent years. Suicides are not rare neither ,although no one talks about it. .

The sooner Government gives equal rights to this large minority the better . Until then. be ashamed. Gays of whatever gender are not children of a lesser God.

Kevin Tanti

Jul 18th 2009, 11:33

Political parties attending gay pride? So what are you waiting to make laws about gay partnerships?