Boat baby leaves for France without an identity

Maria Debono

Jul 10th 2009, 08:25

I am deeply saddened by he fact that most Maltese do their very best to be hateful to other fellow human beings. One wonders why such a supposedly positive article provoked such hateful sentiments in these persons.

lgalea

Jul 9th 2009, 23:08

M. Mercieca
Forget it Mercieca. She has absolutely NO right to Maltese citizenship.

Corine Gatt
You can rest your case as much as you like corine because she is not entitled to Maltese citizenship. The most she could have been given was Russian citizenship if Russia wanted to that is. She is only entitled to Somalian citizenship since her mother is Somalian and what Canada did was not in the least obligatory. I suggest that you revise your international law corine and stop interpreting it in such a way as to make legal that which is not.

Christopher Mamo
If neither of the parents have the citizenship of the country they have no right to claim citizenship for their children.

Noel Cutajar

Jul 9th 2009, 18:08

@ Corinne gatt - resting your case on fragmented facts is a big mistake...International Law is not ONE law but rather a classification. Which convention are you referring to? is Malta a signatory to that convention? Has this convention a force of law in Malta? These are the facts that you have to state first, secondly refer to the individual as being illegal. May I also point out to you that persons who have their VISAS expired who have been residing in Malta legally and whose children were born in Malta are NOT entitled to any right of citizenship. So what makes this case different? As I said in my previous point, do you know exactly where the child was born? She could have claimed anything that she wished unless she has enough evidence.

jamie pace

Jul 9th 2009, 17:52

@ M mercieca....I totally agree with you...you re so spot on...... I consider her a MALTESE...@ Corine Gatt...your points are so well enligtning....I did followed that story and its quite similar to this one....am so glad for them and wish them all the best in FRANCE....

Denis Catania

Jul 9th 2009, 17:15

@Corinne Gatt: Big difference when you are traveling in a legal manner (tha Canadian case) versus in an ILLEGAL manner (this case). This woman should have been arrested for endangering the life of that little baby. This child has no right to a Maltese citizenship. She should obtain a Somalian citizenship for her. Anyway we are wasting our time because she is not a Maltese problem anymore. Thank god.

M. Mercieca

Jul 9th 2009, 16:52

This little cute eight-month-old baby should have been registered in Malta and share sisterhood with all of us including our Vella’s and Galea’s

Corine Gatt

Jul 9th 2009, 15:38

@christopher mamo,Ms G hoare and Noel cutajar....I strongly disagree with you lots,I am speaking based on my studies on international law...but we re not gona go into that for now.....just an insight for you guys....some time early this year,am sure you heard the news... a pregnant African woman from burkina faso who's based in holland,was on a flight enroute to the USA.....she got into labor while on AIR some where at the pacific,a medical doctor on board the flight helped her deliver the baby and the plane had to make an immergency landing at the nearest Air port which happens to be CANADA for the safety of both mother and baby...On landing in canada both the baby and her mother were granted canadian citizenship....now tell me,is there any much difference between both cases?...I rest my case.....

Christopher Mamo

Jul 9th 2009, 14:53

Ms Corine Gatt -

As far as I know citizenship cannot be claimed unless the mother is legally present in the country. Furthermore, maritime law is different from the laws that govern land, and as said by Ms Hoare, the only citizenship that can be claimed is that of Russia (which as we all know is not part of the EU). In whose territorial waters the baby was born is inconsequential.

So, call the baby anything you want - Somali, Russian or otherwise, but s/he most definitely is not Maltese.

ms g hoare

Jul 9th 2009, 13:42

@ Corine Gatt , you sound a bit on the wrong side to me ,the child was not born on land so she is not be intitle to be Maltese but she could chose to be Russian as she was born on a russian boat.she knew what she was doing and like she said the baby was early so her intertions were to give birth in MaLTA . everbody is trying to take advantage out of Malta .MAYBE us Maltese should start thinking of looking after number 1 us the Maltese .
CHARITY BEINGS AT HOME ,

Noel Cutajar

Jul 9th 2009, 13:17

@ Corine Gatt - if your argument is right...then, prove to me that the baby was born in Maltese territorial waters or else it was in transit to Malta before being rescued by the Russian ship!! Now she can be registered in France as she is no longer our problem.

Corine Gatt

Jul 9th 2009, 12:25

@lgalea.....do you by anyway understand what international laws means?....do you know that by international law a baby delivered on transit, be it on air, train or by road.....hence qualifies to take up citizenship of the country or place of birth......in this child case the parents wants her birth to be registered, which is a normal thing by law as well....but unfortunately as usual ONLY IN MALTA...this baby's right to a birth certificate is being denied.....Mind you they re on their way to a better life in France, with more opportunity and far away from certain people.

louise vella

Jul 9th 2009, 11:11

According to the BBC country profile:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/country_profiles/1072592.stm

Somalia has a population of 9 million and the main religion is Islam.
Can Mons Calleja or anyone else please tell us how many Somalis can be accepted and integrated in Malta or France or indeed in the whole of Europe?

lgalea

Jul 9th 2009, 10:40

Can Mons Calleja tell us how he can be registered in Malta when he was not born here?
Does Mons Calleja think that laws can be bent on his demand for an illegal immigrant?

"She has three other children in Somalia who live with their father and her mother. She hopes the family can eventually be reunited but for now her priority is to start a new life in France.."

That's what they always plan. One of them tries his/her luck and then on the pretext of uniting the family all the family members are allowed to go where the first on ended up. If they want to be united they should be sent back to their own country not their family being hosted so that they will be united. And women, especially pregnant ones which most probably are getting pregnant on purpose, are being used to raise pity for them.

The fact that she passed three other countries where she could have stayed before making it to Malta means that she is not a refugee but an economic migrant.

This sham practice has got to stop and all illegal immigrants sent back to Libya.