Updated: Migrants being brought to Malta 'solely for humanitarian reasons'

albert muscat

May 3rd 2009, 15:51

Libya is a key solution.

It was reported last week in this news papers that, Israel Minister Mr. Lieberman favors redrawing Israel's border to exclude most of the country's Arab population.
I think Libya is using Malta to pressure the EU. So the latter press Israel to accept a two states solution, ends occupation so the Palestinians will eventually regain their long-lost country. Only then Libya would stop the influx of illegal immigrants to Europe.

Please have a look at my comment here:
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20090418/opinion/is-it-a-case-of-human-pawns

Pamela Hansen

May 3rd 2009, 11:48

I made no implication that Malta as a nation is failing to exercise it's Christian values. My remarks were directed at those who, through their comments, show that they do not understand what being a Christian entails.
Nor am I that naive to believe that pracitising Christian values in Malta will make the problem go away.
The only way to stop the influx is a global effort to tackle the violence, poverty and corruption that drives African people to face the dangers at sea and rejection and hostility when they reach land.

Joe Xuereb

May 3rd 2009, 00:01

But Margaret Richards and Pamela Hansen are offering an alternative. Having acknowledged that Malta has a problem on its hands, they suggest that the Maltese as a nation are failing to exercise their greatest asset, their Christian values. Strongly implying that exercising these values, their problems would simply dissipate and vanish into thin air.

T Pace

May 2nd 2009, 19:47

It would be foolhardy not to admit that we have been taken for a big big ride by the Italians.

However we could have done the same. Giving assistance does not automatically imply that they have to be taken on board and brought to Malta. If they needed fuel and water, we could have given them supplies and bid them farewell on their journey.

The patrol boats, i.e. if they are ready to take to sea, should also carry on board a couple of inflatables from previous missions and some outboards. This should do the trick if the boats are overloaded.

With regard to the lot brought in, once Italy should have accepted them, they should be kept in detention indefinitely unless Italy agrees to take them or else they accept to go back (no handouts from taxpayers money please).

Joe Fenech

May 2nd 2009, 18:11

Karl Camilleri:

We respect other nations not because we appreciate their culture but because we're boot lickers.

You're right: the Italians don't care about us. They see us as "a tiny island where people eat very bad English food."

John Azzopardi

May 2nd 2009, 18:01

what were the maltese doing 24 miles away from lampedusa. In life, you get what you ask for. they should only be within our 24 mile zone. Veru bravi

Raymond Sammut

May 2nd 2009, 17:26

@ S. Camilleri

This is how Ms Richards finished off her comment:

"...who knows perhaps you would like to join the Maghreb Union??? Food for thought I hope!!!"

She is neither a racist nor a xenophobic. She is just Maghrebophic.

Joe Fenech

May 2nd 2009, 16:45

This has crowned us as the laughing stock of the EU!! Well done Simon!

S. Camilleri

May 2nd 2009, 15:07

@Margaret Richards
It is obvious who the racist and xenophobe is in these posts. What would be wrong in joining the Maghreb Ms. Richards?

Anthony Bugeja

May 2nd 2009, 14:40

I believe most illegal immigrants would love to leave Malta and go to Italy. Our goverment plays by the book and prevents them from doing so, and we actually take them back when anyone manages to make the trip. I suggest to our goverment to get back at the Italians by making it easier for illegal immigrants to "escape" from Malta to Italy and not take any back if they are caught. Maybe than the Italians will take us seriously.

Karl Camilleri

May 2nd 2009, 12:22

Readers don't think that the Italians respect us as much as we respect them....We respect them because Italy is the closest EU Member to Malta, and we need from them and with a tiny island like ours...they don't seem to care about the relations....Just using us as puppets..

Joseph Borg

May 2nd 2009, 11:36

Gonzi's incompetence continues to shine bright.

Mark Piscopo

May 2nd 2009, 11:08

@DANIEL MICALLEF

Kindly note that with big protests we do not solve any issues. Next month we have an election and all of us must give a clear message to our government that we do not agree with several issues with him. Regarding such important issues like Economy, Immigration,Public Health,The cost of living the government is not using his "PAR IDEJN SODI".

DANIEL MICALLEF

May 2nd 2009, 10:11

why dont we maltese instead of moaning ...decide to organise a big protest against this particular issue to show our disapproval against eu for not helping us in this matter of illegal imigration? i think it would be in appropiate time now that elections are coming:)what do u all think ?

Albert Gauci Cunningham

May 2nd 2009, 10:10

This episode just goes to show what I have been thinking for these past few months.....our government and the Nationalist Party is a compulsive lier!!! Why did we have all the brouhaha and all the clap trap and all the "we will not give in" bravados only to go back to square 1 in the first incident after the PinarE?? Even Italy took the migrants on "humanitarian reasons" and everyone knows that they will be keeping them, is that what our government is planning to do?? And I dont know what the readers of The Times think but I've grown such a mistrust towards this bunch that I'm not all too sure whether there was an agreement during the meeting between Maroni and CMB that was kept under wraps from the voters!!! And just before somebody tries to imply or taint me with the racism brush may I remind him/her that up to a few days ago the PN was running around pompously reminding us that they left all the immigrants on the Pinar E in the middle of nowhere and "stood their ground", so if the commentators here are "racist" so is the PN!!!

Joe Fenech

May 2nd 2009, 08:23

What someone had been saying for years (way before Azzjoni Nazzjonali) is materialising: a national tragedy is unfolding. Busuttil and Mifsud Bonnici are just puppets and lick everyone's shoes. SHAME ON YOU - you've ruined the country!

C.R. Taliana

May 2nd 2009, 08:19

Dan biex nidhru helwin ma' L-Italja jew l-EU???? Tghid mhux ser joqghodu jghidu tajjeb bina fuq l-ahbarijiet???? Ara jergghux jigu le IENE!!! U biex nigu draw mela ghad jonqos xi tlieta jew erbgha dghajjes ohra.

Joe Fenech

May 2nd 2009, 08:19

Simon Busuttil...now you can talk!!! LUDICROUS!!!!

Mark Piscopo

May 1st 2009, 23:35

Our Nightmare continues. Where is the good relationship stated by Dr Gonzi between him and Berlusconi. We cannot stand it no more!! We are having an evasion and the government is relaxed!!

Rosalie Portelli

May 1st 2009, 22:58

These illegal immigrants are choosing to put themselves in these precarious situations.It is their own choice to pay and get on these boats--thus endangering their lives and those of our men who go out to save them. The way I see it is that every time our Forces pick up a boat load of them because they are in distress,Malta is then "punished"for its kind and Christian action,by being lumbered with them.They are not stupid.They are using this like an emotional blackmail knowing that we will re-act.Nice one Italy!!!!!!!!! I thought M.Jacques Barrot agreed differently.

paul camilleri

May 1st 2009, 22:43

ekka ghall ahjar ta' wliedna !!! viva l-ewropa ...

Mark Galea

May 1st 2009, 20:30

@David Sant My dear friend ... calm down a bit ... if you do not want PN in government, you have to wait at least for another 4 years, and then, it will be an election, where the people decide.

Ronnie Gauci

May 1st 2009, 20:15

What if one of these immigrants carried a dangerous virus like ebola which could easily wipe out the enitre Maltese population in a couple of months? Why our Government does not consider scenarios like these when taking decisions? Do we still care about our children's safety? Don't blame Italy or Libya, we accepted them, nobody sent them here, neither Italy nor Libya.

maria curmi

May 1st 2009, 19:55

Flimkien Kollox Possibli we are powerless in E U please use your only lifeline VETO our we pay more taxes next budget man calleja

Ivan Attard

May 1st 2009, 19:50

@Pamela Hansen (and all who think like her) WATCH THIS!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU ...then come back with your excuses.

Mark Galea

May 1st 2009, 19:44

@David Sant My dear friend ... calm down a bit ... if you do not want PN in government, you have to wait at least for another 4 years, and then, it will be an election, where the people decide.

Josephine Brincat

May 1st 2009, 19:31

Are you guys serious - i tried oh so hard to listen to the PL leader inspire the nation as he gave his speech ... please ... is that what the public deserves ? Thankfully while you guys do what you know best throw mud ... the competent ones of the like of Simon and Gonzi can get on with their job ...

Mike Magri

May 1st 2009, 18:37

GonziPN.. Do yourselve a favour and more so the Country, and RESIGN...... We need a government that have GUTS not Bla.. Bla.. Bla.. We need a Prime Minster who can REALLY do the Job for us MALTESE, First and Foremost... We need Dr. Joseph Muscat and the Labour Party to govern this country WITH A CLEAR CUT PURPOSE for us Maltese and Gozitans alike... We all know how tough and reasonable Dr. Muscat spoke about the government's 'Voluntary", (.my foot.), agreement on such matters, in parlament.......!!!!! Guys lets give this GonziPN LAME Government his first deserved lesson, by VOTING to the Great Labour MEP Candidates on June 6th.... Courage Guys... VOTE LABOUR.....

Alex Cutajar

May 1st 2009, 18:16

Simon Busittil is really a success story here. All he ever did these last five years was promise us FRONTEX missions which never came and now the Pinar incident was a stripe in his uniform giving him political advantage, until this happened. I think the PN should find somebody more competent for the job. Vince Farrugia, the man who made shopowners strike in 1994 when he joined forces with the GWU against the introduction of VAT has now become a staunch pro-european. He has not even resigned from the GRTU in case his attempt for Europe fails. Don't you have anything better to throw at the public ?

G Darmanin

May 1st 2009, 18:05

Why are you worrying that these 66 migrants were brought in? Dont forget that France has promised us that one day they will take 80 migrants!!!!!!!

Christopher Briffa

May 1st 2009, 17:51

I just hope that the next time our Patrol Boats go out on a mission like this one, they take a couple of jerrycans of fuel with them and just hand them over to the imigrants. That way they would be able to proceed safely to Lampedusa which is we they wanted to go in the first place.

David Sant

May 1st 2009, 16:45

Mifsud Bonnici RESIGN !!!

You are not up to the task.
This is game over for PN. Everyone who is a true Nationalist is going over to AZZJONI NAZZJONALI.

That's enough PN. You are no longer the largest party. That is what you get for ignoring the people.

PN is history. You will never win again. Never.

Vote Azzjoni Nazzjonali.

It is time to have a new party in parliament....

Joe Xuereb

May 1st 2009, 16:19

Pamela Hansen. Enoch Powell was vilified in his time. I am not sure he was talking of illegal immigrants. The huge numbers coming over from the West Indies in the fifties were I believe quite legitimate. Rather, I think he was talking of the near impossibility for two distinct races to mix and be assimilated. Sure, at a one-to-one level, there are many great friendships between, say, British people, etc. and West Indians, etc. As we say, often we can bed together and also have breakfast. Sometimes the B&B drops the second B. A bit unfair. Most often, the B&B is closed for the season. I feel this has to do with human instinct, distrust of the very different, the need to self-preserve. Why you had to bring Christian values into the debate is beyond me. And frankly, I think Enoch Powell had a point. Keeping in mind
that his delivery and his countenance worked against him.
I have lived in London for half a century. I think I know what I am talking about. I practise Christian values but never to the detriment of what is hold dear. Not in this instance, that is for sure.

Pierre Attard

May 1st 2009, 15:42

@ Pamela Hansen
I wonder how some people mention the church and christianity when it suits them!
They want to save all the illegal immigrants in the Mediterranean,and most of them are probably pro choice!

Franco Xuereb

May 1st 2009, 14:28

@ Pamela Hansen
On the contrary, when one mentions Brigadier John Enoch Powell and the speech he had made namely 'River of Blood’ which took place in a Hotel in B’ham he had than warned his fellow citizens of the consecuansece of the influx of illegal immigrants keep persisting........
And to day we all know the outcome of England and thus history is always repeating it self.

The influx has not thing to do with Christianity, but is our duty to save guide our country for generations to come after us, it seems quite obvious to me that you are unaware of certain events which are happening in our country and how these unwanted people are treating our fellow citizens or perhaps that’s part of your Christianity? Or you are acting like the Ostrich!!!!!!!!!

Oh, at least you had admitted that we have a huge problem, so if one takes action to stop this influx on your books is spouting racist.

Please bear in mind that these illegal immigrants are not refugees as we told to believe, but economic illegal immigrants and that's the end of the storey.

malcolm seychell

May 1st 2009, 13:48

@ pamela hansen

Stop quoting christianity. we are a european country and not afganistan.

Religion and state are two different things.

Graham Crocker

May 1st 2009, 13:46

The Italians want to play games and I imagine they must think us Rude not to play back.
Lets offer these illegal immigrants instant citizenship and free flights to Rome as Legal European citizens. The illegal immigrants hate being stuck here, their final destination is London or Rome, not Malta.

Ivan Attard

May 1st 2009, 13:16

This is quiet simply getting ridiculously UNACCEPTABLE !

Franco Xuereb

May 1st 2009, 12:46

@Margaret Richards

Yes there is a solution to the influx of illegal immigrants, which I my self have been saying from day one.

Do you acknowledge the fact that the solution to this problem is not by
A) Offering € 5,000 for the illegal immigrant to go back to his /her native country voluntary
Nor
B) Our government expects burden sharing from the rest of EU member’s states on voluntary bases.

These are not the solutions but on the contrarily we are inviting and encouraging more Africans to cross to Europe.
THE ONE AND ONLY SOLUTION IS TO REPATRAITE

Franco Xuereb

May 1st 2009, 12:09

@ Margaret Richards

Racist and xenophobe are the order of the day !!!! IS it? For one I do not mind if people like you call us the above names but on the contrary none of you people can call us traitors of our beloved country.

You should woke up and realize that Malta is being invaded by these unwanted people, thus if the problem keeps persisting it wont be long before we will be taken over by these invaders...........at least can you acknowledge such facts ?

Do you live in Malta? Because if you do most probable you live in a convent as it seems that you are cut out from the reality that the Maltese are living in.........

The EU member states, are just taking Malta for a ride and thus will not help MALTA in this matter, so to speak we have been stranded on our own to cope with this situation. Therefore we have the right to take all the necessary steps to safe guide the interest of our country for years to come

Last by not least, it seems that you are happy with such situation and willingly excepting more illegal immigrants.

L Zammit

May 1st 2009, 11:56

The government should seek confirmation by the Italians that they will accept the immigrants if he is to deploy a patrol boat to save a boat of illegal immigrants which is closer to an Italian port, before deploying it. If no confirmation of acceptance is granted we should not send our patrol boats for rescue. Punto e basta Mr Maroni. We do the same as you do so it would be a fair game for both of our countries.

George Xuereb

May 1st 2009, 11:51

Why don't the illegal immigrants who are risking their lives trying to escape from unfavourable conditions, risk it instead to try and solve the problems at home? At the end of the day africa is full of riches, and if properly managed, not only would these people be living in a much better place, but they could actually be a provider for the rest of the world. Instead, what these people insist on doing is either sit on their backside and let somebody else take control of their country, or else make it somebody else's problem by dumping themselves in other countries. In the bible it's written, "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for the rest of his life." I propose that these people should be returned to their countries at once to face reality there, and perhaps start doing something to reclaim their countries and resources, not just for themselves, but for their children, next generations, and the rest of the world. We are not doing them any favour by giving them shelter here.

Michelle Dali

May 1st 2009, 11:48

Very disappointing to see that the firm stand taken by the government of Malta in the Pinar E incident was so short lived. This time around we have allowed Italy to bully us with their cowardly new tactic. It must never happen again. The rules are there for every country. The nearest safe harbour was undoubtedly Lampedusa. Will the EU lambast Italy for sending two naval vessels to prevent the AFM patrol boat from landing the illegal migrants on it's territory? I doubt it. Shame on the Italian government for trying to off-load it's problems onto the smallest country in the European Union.

The nightmare for Malta continues with no respite in sight........!!!!

v.pulis

May 1st 2009, 11:28

@Margaret Richards
While not condoning the idea of letting people perish if they are in danger and not blaming them for undertaking these dangerous journeys, your last sentence struck a chord ie. 'who knows perhaps you would like to join the Maghreb Union???' this sentence may turn out to be prophetic in the not too distant future!
You just can't blame the people for feeling alarmed (not necessarily xenophobic or racists) when faced with this growing crisis. We would be making a big mistake if we were to ignore this fact or downplay it not to cause alarm. One day we will wake up and find out that the problem has gone out of control, if it hasn't already. Then it will be too late to remedy the
situation. Finally,Funnily enough you blame most commentaters of criticizing without offering a solution. I don't see any solutions coming from you either. You just write to call other people racists and xenophobic.

Sarah Wright

May 1st 2009, 11:27

Friends, http://www.uonna.it/ragnatela1.htm gives you a detailed writing on how our "beloved cavalier berlusconi" rose up....... A more objective (in my opinion) website, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlusconi sheds, if possible, even more doubts about how this man. Foul play is alleged in both sites.

How about Maroni? He hails from the lega nord party. His political credo is that basically Italy should be split into 2: the padania (the richer, northern part), and the south. He's from "padania", no wonder why he hates us "southerners" so much. I concur with what Paul Mazzola said on this one.

Then the minister in charge of foreign office, Frattini. Which I hear more about his romantic escapades rather than his actual political work (http://www.vivicentro.org/-il-ministro-e-fidanzato-con-me-frattini-lamore-vt10186.html, http://www.corriere.it/spettacoli/09_marzo_03/chantal_sciuto_franco_frattini_lasciata_af15e096-07f0-11de-805b-00144f02aabc.shtml)...

It's undeniable that Gonzi must be given a stern talking to about the weak and defeatist way he dealt with yesterday's case. But one should also keep in mind with what kind of CIRCUS he is trying to deal with: ALLEGEDLEY a prime minister with endless pending court cases accusing him of corruption + an entire series of wrongdoings...

Sandro Pace

May 1st 2009, 11:21

@ Margaret Richards

With your argument, what is wrong to join Maghreb? Was not your tone a racist comment too? At this rate, we will join the African Union or Maghreb without even voting for it.

I will not argue for leaving the EU. We should take actions as we deem fit, like the Italians, and if it wants it can throw us out. As I said in recent posts, this is not the end of the story.
The immigrants, want it or not, will be pingpong balls. The probability that a cargo ship will collect another group is very high.

The 'we have a problem but...' argument, will not hold anymore. Someone from the 3 parties (Malta, Italy and the immigrants) will have to take the brunt. Eventually, it have to STOP.

Roderick Theuma

May 1st 2009, 11:16

Ok, so Italy wants to play bully with us right? Why don't we give all these immigrants a refugee passport and organize them a fight to ROME... Jekk ma naddux mil bieb naddu mit tieqa!

victor caruana

May 1st 2009, 11:15

Could it be the Italians do not thrust us?

Being our search and rescue area, are the Maltese authorities allowing illigal immigrants to stray nearer to Lampedusa/Italy before actually doing the rescue bit? The Italians are not that stupid.

C Ebejer

May 1st 2009, 11:15

Can someone in power listen to what the Maltese want, please?
We shouldn't let the EU dictate to us that we have to take these illegal immigrants.
The reason i do not want illegal immigrants is because they ARE A BURDEN on our country. Not because of any race and I feel offended when people start spouting off that those who are against illegal immigration are racisits. Get boatloads of fair people that are going to drain our money, i would react the same way.
So all was a smokescreen with the Italian's, EU and Simon Busutill's request. The are 4 times closer to Italy and WE take them?
Only with the Maltese citizens the government is strong and unyielding when it comes to implementing high rates, taxes and surcharges!!!!
With the EU it is 'yes sir, yes sir, whatever you say'

Gloria Pace

May 1st 2009, 11:06

I thought the victory we enjoyed earlier this month would have been short-lived.

we have succumbed to pressure and accept the immigrants. This is what the Nationalists want us to vote for, spinless politicians in Europe, with healthy salaries and no clout. This is what I would like Dr. Simon Busittil on the podium next time he steps up in a public speech telling us how much effort he has put up for our country.

I will not vote for anyone who is useless and sincerely hope that the electorate will wake up and see the light. Voting for either the Nationalists or labour is a vote of weakness and a no show or no vote should be the attitude this up coming election.

These politicans only want a free ride, They are not interested in the well- being of Malta. They are only intent on securing an income at the expense of this gullable elctorate.

J.Cini

May 1st 2009, 10:58

Just like in a schoolyard, the Italians bully Malta while grovelling to and making "reparition" payments to Libya ostensibly to put an end to all this!

Any sane person can see that Italy's dispute should clearly be with Libya.
VERGOGNA ITALIA!!

v.pulis

May 1st 2009, 10:54

From Il Giornale
Lampedusa - Se non si può parlare di un grave "incidente" fra Italia e Malta, poco ci manca. Ma quello che è avvenuto nel Canale di Sicilia fra la notte scorsa e questo pomeriggio rasenta il ridicolo. Ha ripreso la navigazione puntando sull’isola di Malta la motovedetta dell’isola dei cavalieri che questo pomeriggio ha tentato di "scaricare" a Lampedusa i 66 clandestini soccorsi nella notte IN AQCUA TERRITORIALI MALTESI da un peschereccio tunisino. L’unità maltese non era stata autorizzata dalle autorità italiane ad entrare nelle acque territoriali del nostro Paese.
Where did the tunisians find the immigrants really? if they were found in international waters closer to Lampedusa than to Malta who gave permission to the Tunisian boat to place the immigrants into Maltese territorial waters according to the italians? Did they perhaps anticipate a repeat of the Pinar incident and not wishing to get embroiled passed the buck to us? Could this be a new tactic being used against us?

philip borg

May 1st 2009, 10:49

Gonzi step down please. You are crippling our country with you4 inaction.

If this goes on, next year we will have 1 billion deficit thanks to the immigrants living off our taxes and hard earned money !!! Mind you we are already well on our way to achieve that target.

Step down. Your government is well past its expiry date. Try again in 5 years time. We need fresh blood now.

Charles Sammut

May 1st 2009, 10:49

@ Pamela Hansen

Speak for yourself re Christians.

Malta has not only turned the other cheek time and again but bent over and spread them as well. People like you are so comfortably out ot touch with reality.

charlie xrieha

May 1st 2009, 10:44

i hope you are angry now Maltese people....time and time again we have told you...

VOTE AZZJONI NAZZJONALI !!!!

if you want to change the status quo

VOTE AZZJONI NAZZJONALI !!!

Margaret Richards

May 1st 2009, 10:38

People with racist and xenophic traits are the order of the day as commentators. People asking to get out of the EU without knowing what they are saying, people calling immigrants mean names, people being outright nasty. Although i admit it's a problem on Malta, of a more logistical nature than anything else, but all this racism and xenophia is getting out of hand. Some very 'learned and extremely bright person' who is one of the normal commentators on the Times proposes to get out of the EU. Can he kindly offer an alternative??? Criticizing is one thing, criticizing in a constructive way is another. Unfortunately the big majority of commentators criticize without offering alternatives. What do you suggest Mr. Commentator know it all?? Get out of the EU - we are too small we can't stay on our own when all the countries are joining forces - who knows perhaps you would like to join the Maghreb Union??? Food for thought I hope!!!

Pamela Hansen

May 1st 2009, 10:38

When you get people quoting Enoch Powell you know you have hit rock bottom.
We call ourselves Christians, but many of us do not have an iota of Christian humanity. Malta
"will not assist in any rescue towards the migrants even if their lives are in danger", says one commentator. Most of those who make such comments are probably stridently pro life.
One wonders whether they actually understand that pro life does not just embrace abortion and includes all races.
Sure we have a big problem. But spouting racist venom and partisan nonsense is not going to solve it.

Wayne Hewitt

May 1st 2009, 10:19

There is only one solution. Vote AN

Ray Mercieca

May 1st 2009, 10:15

The time has come and the Maltese Government must show the world that we mean serious business and act fast and decisively.
No problem if Italian Government wants to play nasty or start being a bully and doesn’t want to abide by the international search and rescue regulations, we do not have to respect these regulations in full either.
I suggest that the Maltese Government Start purchasing boats, outboard motors and lots of life Jackets, furnish them with sufficient fuel, food and water and ASK the illegal immigrants whether they want to stay in detention centres, return to Africa or proceed to Europe. I am sure that a good percentage of these people want to take the last option.
By this action neither the UNHCR nor our ‘EUROPIAN COLLUEGES’ can accuse us of not helping these people finding a better life.

doriannebugeja

May 1st 2009, 10:07

ergajna laqna kollox

Charles Sammut

May 1st 2009, 10:00

If this is not a dire national emergency, why were ambassadors from all EU members summoned urgently to Castille yesterday morning as soon as this farce started to develop?

For morning coffee and biscuits? We don't have leaders, we have beggars posing as leaders.

Adrian Cardona

May 1st 2009, 09:45

@ Luca Esse
I think your country has already shown the world often enough how to get EU funds and make them disappear into dubious projects awarded to, how can I put it, very shady people. Especially with a Prime Minister who continuously embarasses his country at every international forum and who has been taken to court in his own country more often than he can remember.

Franco Xuereb

May 1st 2009, 09:39

GonziPN should with immediate effect renounce Malta's international obligations to safe guide the interest of our country, and will not assist in any rescue towards the migrants even if their lives are at danger. The day is near that these illegal immigrants must learn to stop taking advantage of the present system and from the other hand our government to stop dreaming with diplomatic solutions, as things have showed that the rest of EU are just taking MALTA for a ride.

Let's take this incident seriously, and not let the Italians take advantage on us
just because our patrol boats are far smaller compared to there's. Thus, if need be
our government should cut all diplomatic relations with the said Italy and
far more.........like boycott any thing to do with that country, and I'm sure that all
fellow citizens will back our government as this is a national issue.

Muscat.Pat

May 1st 2009, 09:33

So all the hullabaloo of SimonPN announcing " sole victory" on illegal immigration was just a smokescreen after all,and the Part II of GonziPN Indiana Jones slogans! The truth is that GonziPN is not capable of reedeming us from this problem, or any other problem for that matter. I don't think that Malta was ever in this predicament since the time of Don Consalvo Monroy, in the 14th century , when at that time, Malta owned 2000 Florins-the equivalent to the 4 billion euros PN debt. History repeats itself, we need real leaders who do what they mean and are capable of delivering. How can we expect redemption from" leaders" who, like the Times of Malta said, are not even capable of filling street potholes????????

Franco Farrugia

May 1st 2009, 09:32

@ Scott Mccloskey - No, not a little Africa. This is a show of what EU solidarity is all about, unfortunately. I, a believer in EU - and still am! - realise that this thing of 'unity' among the European nations is cosmetic. When it comes to the nitty-gritty, we just don't give a toss. And the Maltese government should look after the interests of the country and not of the EU. We are being turned into another Lampedusa, if not worse.

J Farrugia

May 1st 2009, 09:29

it-taljani ittradew il-fiducja taghna. Nistenna li l-Armata ma tibqax tilghaba tal-laqghija tat-taljani u ma tergax tohrog ghall-ebda klandestini f'ibhra internazzjonali. Xogholha huwa li TIKKORDINA l-hidmiet ta' salvatagg. Jekk ikun hemm periklu tiehu l-petrol u l-ilma u tghaddih lill-klandestini u thallihom ikomplu fi triqthom lejn l-eqreb gzira taljana. Daqshekk servilizmu lejn il-barranin. L-Ewropa dahqet bina, il-Libyani jidhku bina u l-Italja ittradietna.

ALEXANDER GENUIS

May 1st 2009, 09:27

WELLL!!WELL!!!E.U.THE FRIENDS OF FRIENDS!!!ARE WE MEMBERS,FULL MEMBERS LIKE THE REST??OR IS IT WHO'S THE STRONGEST OR THE WEAKEST????WELL,LIKE THEY SAY,THE SMALL FISH NEVER ATE THE BIG ONE!!!SOLIDARJETA!!!!!WE BE EQUAL,ONE COIN,ONE WHAT????????OBEY MALTA,LIKE IT OR NOT,OBEY,BY FORCE!!!!!!!BURDEN SHARING???FRONTEX????HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Franco Xuereb

May 1st 2009, 09:25

Well, as I have stated time after time, I always had my doubts as to whether the burden sharing will work between the EU member states, thus that this is not the solution to the problem but just encourage more influx.

To day this incident has proven my point, it seems that the issue of the influx of illegal immigrants is and will continue to spark diplomatic relationships within the EU member states, as no one wants such a burden in his country and on the citizens.

Summer is approaching, and this is just the first incident that our patrol boats were intercepted by the Italian launches, this wont be the one off incident but on the contrarily, and I do not hesitate to say that the Italian authorities will continue to do the same with our patrol boats and the same to the illegal immigrants and thus direct them towards Malta.

George Peresso

May 1st 2009, 09:23

I think we should consider becoming full members of NATO

Keith Aquilina

May 1st 2009, 09:08

Communicate with Italy ?! Why not prepare a dossier as Mr Maroni has done for us ? Why not once again forward this issue to a European level ?

leonardo vince

May 1st 2009, 09:03

Only remember that we are all europeans. Maybe it is true that Maroni is more european than Borg, but that is how life is. we are just makku, whatever ZombiePN says.

Stephen Vella

May 1st 2009, 08:23

@carmel J Farrugia and those who question the fact that our patrol boat was near Lampedusa. Funnily enough that area falls under our search and rescue area even though it is close to Lampedusa. So rediculously we are responsible there. I do not know why on earth did we accept this.

J Brincat

May 1st 2009, 08:12

So Gonzi's 'popeye arms' have unfortunately softened again.

After much fanfare the last case has turned out to be an isolated case and diminutive Malta has bowed to the might of Italy's flexed muscles.

So much for burden sharing and brotherly love of our neighbouring country!

F J Brincat

May 1st 2009, 08:07

http://www.ilgiornale.it/a.pic1?ID=347832

Il Giornale has a different story about the same case. How come? What is actually going on?

M Borg

May 1st 2009, 07:48

Yesterday Malta has set a BAD precedent!! According to International Maritime Laws, these persons were to be taken to the nearest port! It was the sole responsability of the Italians to take these immigrants irrispective in whose SAR they were. The Italians are abusing of their power!

We should STAND UP, and take concrete actions.
Maltese Rescue Boats / Patrol Boats should be ORDERED not to exceed going out more than 25 Nautical miles off Malta. In this way they will never manage to meet boats who are nearer to Italy than Malta.
Our boats should have a supply of fuel and water, so that, since they have no 'right' to 'arrest' boat people heading for Italy through Maltese waters, they supply them with water and fuel and 'wish' them a good journey.

Since everyone is breaking the laws of play, our Government should have made a show out of this and DECLINE to accept the Maltse Boat, and taking the issue to Barrot and the EU. Maybe they would have sent some Frontex boat, and these ILLEGAL immigrants will be taken to some other country who agreed to sign the Burden sharing..!!!!

GONZI, we need actions!!!!

Lewis Muscat

May 1st 2009, 07:29

Let's play the same game. If the Italians can break the rules of the terms of international conventions, which immigrants rescued should be taken to the nearest safe port ,then so can we and everytime another ship or even Frontex brings immigrants here, we just send escort back to International waters.

v.pulis

May 1st 2009, 07:19

Since their intentions, as is every wish of these immigrants, is to reach mainland europe Malta could try another stratagem. We could go out towing one of the boats lying idle at Safi or whereever, equipped with food and fuel and offer the immigrants help to continue their voyage. These last batch were only some 24 miles from Lampedusa and I presume the sea was not rough. We cannot force them to come to tiny, unwelcoming, harassing Malta so I suppose they would jump at our offer. I don't suppose we would be breaking any rules then.
Meanwhile Italy had better see where the the real problem lies and pick on gaddafi . Anyway, 15 days from now will see the start of Italian Libyan patrols as was promised. As we say in malta 'Scribble on water!!' HOZZ FL-ILMA!

Kevin Mompalao

May 1st 2009, 06:59

Was this the gist of a secret agrrement reched with the italians over the issue which arose 2 weeks ago? It smells fishy. Were not the immigrants of two weeks ago in need of a huminaitarian recognition? Come on let's be serious!!

Charles J. Buttigieg

May 1st 2009, 06:49

By The Times.

Poll

What in your opinion is the main issue of the European Parliament electoral campaign?

Immigration 56.5%
The economy 23.1%
The cost of living 11.7%
The environment 6.8%
Public health 2.0%
Total votes: 1920

Charles J. Buttigieg

May 1st 2009, 06:46

Couldn’t our lads supply the Africans with enough fuel and let them get on and just bring home the casualty? Why are we being so timid when the Italians are playing a game of cowboys?

J. Mifsud

May 1st 2009, 06:35

This only shows how impotent we are as a nation infront of our EU 'friends'. Solidarity from other European Nations is almost NIL.

As long as we are represented by a YES MAN Government in the EU institutions, then God help us. Malta will have to gear up to accomodate the many thousands of illegal immigrants who will be crossing the Mediterranean in the coming months.

The coming up of the June MEP's election are crucial to Malta. We should vote with our minds and not our hearts. We need MEP's who represent a Party with guts, and where MALTA COMES FIRST AND FOREMOST, otherwise we will be treated like dirt by our counterparts. ........... OR ARE WE NOT THEIR COUNTERPARTS?

Malta is in great need for a government who does not let others to use it as a latrine.

Pierre Attard

May 1st 2009, 06:28

So our 'friends' in Europe did it again (and will again and again and...) the Italians did not give a hoot about their international obligations, and Malta was there again to do the dirty work! As we can see in the EU, it's every country for it's own, and the sooner the government realizes that the first priority is 'OUR OWN COUNTRY'. Malta should seek it's own interest.

M.SPITERI

May 1st 2009, 05:49

Laqwa li hames snin ilu ghidna IVA!

David Caruana

May 1st 2009, 04:44

Naqbel mija fil-mija ma' Nenu Aquilina... Malta ghandha bzonn iktar nies jahsbuha bhalek biex nimxu 'l-quddiem! Kulhadd mohhu biex jiggieled u jimpika, kollhu tort tal-politici taghna li dejjem ferrqu u qasmu lill-poplu biex jirrenjaw huma!

Zep Agius

May 1st 2009, 03:42

If it is for humanitarian reasons that the migrants are brought to Malta, why last weeks migrants where not brought here for the same reason even they where in precarious situation infact there where even deaths on that case. Is this some kind of fear from Italy and the so called good realation we have together? Why was not the friendship between our government and Italy's used once again? Did Gonzi lost Berlusconi's number? If you want us to believe that our Malta is equal to all other European country no matter the size, this is the moment to prove out. Hope dear minister that the story was not ended this night and what was said in last night's statment will be done.

John Borg

May 1st 2009, 01:27

Give it a rest and stop moaning! You would think World War Three has broken out from some of these comments. Go to Paceville on the weekends and see where the real problems are.

R.Gatt

May 1st 2009, 01:03

Relinquish a good part of the SAR zone, the part encapsulating Lampedusa.

If one looks back to the following article:
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20090426/local/shrinking-maltas-search-and-rescue-area-is-not-an-option
one can very well see that the majority of Malta's SAR operations are conducted around Lampedusa in the first place.

Mind you, we need not give up all of our SAR zone......simply amputate the part which is giving most aches and troubles!

N.Grima

May 1st 2009, 00:51

This will be an unpopular opinion, but I think this was a great political move by Malta. Now we can actually go in European Parliament and trash the Italians like never before, and push for emergency agreements based on the voluntary burden sharing scheme much before any forced burden sharing could ever be put in place (any law will inevitably take some 2 years from inception to signing).

Brian Bassom

May 1st 2009, 00:42

Malta being such a small island as well as being the most densely populated country in Europe. When will the Maltese government say no to the EU about these migrating people. Malta is getting full....

Ronnie Gauci

May 1st 2009, 00:33

"The government said this evening that a patrol boat was bringing 66 migrants to Malta for humanitarian reasons because of the precarious situation they were in."

They brought the situation upon themselves, nobody asked them to come, I'm sorry but if it was for me I would have left them to fend for themselves, only providing them with water, food and fuel sufficient to get back to Libya.

Kenneth Zammit Tabona

May 1st 2009, 00:28

Incredible

Nobody read my article last Tuesday?

Franco Farrugia

May 1st 2009, 00:13

The Maltese government is being seen as too weak! The Italians are out to make us kneel before them. They want to turn Malta into a Lampedusa. Maltese government, beware.

lgalea

May 1st 2009, 00:01

J.Spiteri
I was expecting this.
Malta start getting ready to protest against the illegal immigrants being brought here and for our patrol boats to stop going out for illegal immigrants. THE GOVERNMENT MUST LISTEN AND STOP OUR PATROL BOATS FROM PICKING UP ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

Luca Esse,
The government should give them european passports and then Italy and europe will have to lump them. Otherwise they should have been put back on their boat, given fuel and pointed in the direction of Lampedusa. SHAME on Italy for dumping them on us and for not taking them when it had colonized their countries.

We should first of all get out of the EU because the problem with illegal immigration has exploded since we joined the EU.
Then we repeal the Refugee Convention and stop going to save anyone who knows the risks and still takes them.
Moreover we will not be obliged to keep anyone here.
LETS GET OUT OF THE EU.

Rita Vella Hold to its point? If it did it would have stood its ground near LAmpedus until the Italians took the illegal immigrants.

paul mazzola

Apr 30th 2009, 23:58

I hope that the maltese people finally especially the PN maltese people the fanatic ones get to know that Berlusconi goverment is just an ergo sum ,ego sum but none to do with PN knowldge.Berlusconi is the friend of nobody but the friend of pecunia(his Klikka are his freinds)chi non è con me è contro di me.He is the contrary of what Prodi was,unfortunatly people love satira and as a metter of fact they followed a very good dreamer.Maroni hates the southerns so how could ever the maltese people be respected or the africans helped to overcome thier daily diperate dramas.Believe me I live in Italy things are getting worse thanks to Mr Berlusconi and Klikka.

J.Spiteri

Apr 30th 2009, 23:56

They must send them all back, we are not putting with this. I can't say that I blame Italy, they don't want them and the EU nations don't want them, let see if Sweden will make the most of these people and take them off our hands, and turn it into a good opportunity for them.

Mary Ann Borg

Apr 30th 2009, 23:29

Enough! Now the Italians are also intercepting our AFM patrol boats. What next? How can we have the Italians operating 2 helicopters supposedly to assist us with Search & Rescue missions when the same country is diametrically opposed to our stand on illegal immigrants? This is like living with the thief while trying to catch who's robbing us! Enough is enough and still can't figure out why Malta made this u-turn and brought more illegal immigrants to our shores. What is this all about? Now we see pictures of tired illegal immigrants arriving with the assistance of AFM and the same people will be the ones we will see in the coming weeks all dressed up and walking up and down Republic Street, Valletta, healthy, well clothed and with cell phones and not without some money in their pockets. We must make a stand now, not a minute later, but now. We should show the first EU or Italian or Libyan dignitary that gets here what the Maltese think of this debacle. We are being surrounded, isolated and suffocated by all countries around us. Militarily we cannot do anything so we have to do it in the most certain way.

Ray Zerafa

Apr 30th 2009, 23:29

In Libya, it is a well known fact that it is virtually impossible to travel without official personal identification; failing to present the required documentation will lead to legal procedures against the individual. The obvious question one asks is how these alleged refugees end up without a passport if not to possibly avoid repatriation to their native country.
Despite claiming that their preferential destination is continental Europe, our lucrative social system may also encourage these people, in particular mothers accompanied by their children to take the risk as they will be provided with a free education and health cover (whilst their husbands remain in Libya to work).
It is the duty of our government to defend its citizens’ interests and principals: Christian values play no role in this dilemma. For instance, everyone is allowed to visit the Vatican City, yet despite the Pope’s insurmountable Christian values and morals, no one is permitted to eat, sleep and gain an education on his holiness’ expense. Despite the government’s apparent hospitality towards the illegal immigrants, it failed to provide help to a 22 year-old woman who was trapped in Cambodia in pain. Today’s event is neither the Maltese’s nor the Italian’s responsibility.

John F. Galea

Apr 30th 2009, 23:24

This is indeed another farce galore to which our Government has once more succumbed, the result of which would ubdoubtedly have a ripple effect at the coming E.U. elections; securing the third seat for the PL. It is nigh high time the authorities face reality. PN take heed or else you will very soon be outvoted.

scott mccloskey

Apr 30th 2009, 23:15

looks like this island is being turned into little africa? things have gone to far now it is too late for every one who lives on this island. they have invaded and conquered!!!!!!!

Charles Sammut

Apr 30th 2009, 23:14

"The government said that migrants who were not eligible for protection would be repatriated as soon as possible."

Figures please.

Even illegals from Nigeria are being allowed to remain. The government has lost control of the situation totally. The government is not even getting cooperation from the EU, never mind African countries. Even Tunisia demanded €100,000 for each of its citizens repatriated.

Our last refuge seems to be the Madonna ta' Borg in-Nadur!

Franco Xuereb

Apr 30th 2009, 23:11

Part 2

The day is near that these illegal immigrants must learn to stop taking advantage of the present system and from the other hand our government to stop dreaming with diplomatic solutions, as things have showed that the rest of EU are just taking MALTA for a ride.

Let's take this incident seriously, and not let the Italians take advantage on us
just because our patrol boats are far smaller compared to there's. Thus, if need be
our government should cut all diplomatic relationship with the said Italians and
far more.........like boycott any thing to do with that country, and I'm sure that all
fellow citizens will back our government as this is a national issue.

F.Williams

Apr 30th 2009, 23:06

We have been shamed! all the talk of holding our point and then we succumb after just few days! and the excuse is for humanitarian reasons after just few hours on board...was it for the illegals benefit or for the crew? Personaly we should have stayed more in the Italian waters to attract the international media attention. Forget blue or red, unite against the big brothers in brussels and lets stand for our cause whatever the cost! Mhux basta nidhru helwin fl-ewropa!

Stephen Farrugia

Apr 30th 2009, 22:58

Hey guys,

This is mega serious and what you are all saying is all correct. Issa? The Maltese government has no choice now, they must not pick them up, whatever the case.

Franco Xuereb

Apr 30th 2009, 22:49

Part 1

Well, as I have stated time after time, I always had my doubts as to whether the burden sharing will work between the EU member states, thus that this is not the solution to the problem but just encourage more influx.

To day this incident has proven my point, it seems that the issue of the influx of illegal immigrants is and will continue to spark diplomatic relationships within the EU member states, as no one wants such a burden in his country and on the citizens.

Summer is approaching, and this is just the first incident that our patrol boats were intercepted by the Italian launches, this wont be the one off incident but on the contrarily, and I do not hesitate to say that the Italian authorities will continue to do the same with our patrol boats and the same to the illegal immigrants and thus direct them towards Malta.

GonziPN should with immediate effect renounce Malta's international obligations to safe guide the interest of our country, and will not assist in any rescue towards the migrants even if their lives are at danger.

maria curmi

Apr 30th 2009, 22:45

What happened to the promises before joining EU we will be better in by sitting around the same table and with all the same power of Germany France not the least Italy but all BLA BLA BLA viva EU they needed us as a skip OH I nearly I forgot we have THE BURDEN SHARING TREATY or shall we call the near mambra monument

Stephen Farrugia

Apr 30th 2009, 22:41

Malta should use the military agreement that we have with Italy. Lets see if its worth anything. This is a state of crisis.

C Zammit

Apr 30th 2009, 22:30

Definetely, no one better than Mintoff could handle this one!! Our government excels only in doing the talking but nothing else. The government must have the guts to negotiate and take risks. I clearly see that our government is arrogant with us Maltese but then, when it comes to our neighbour 'friends' begin to rattle and shake with fear!!

We citizens want to see facts before its too late!! Summer is approaching and we will be invaded!!!!

T Mifsud

Apr 30th 2009, 22:19

UNACCEPTABLE!

If the Italians are breaking agreements then our SAR Patrol craft should have ignored the two Italian interceptors and still headed forcibly to Lampedusa. Let's see if the Italians have the guts to contest this one against a possible International vortex of condemnation!

STOP THE SAR NEAR LAMPEDUSA IF NECESSARY if the Italians are breaking the agreement.

Louis Gialanze

Apr 30th 2009, 22:16

Theatrics and bootlicking are the order of the day. The truth is that our politicians have long sold their soul and country to the EU. The people of Malta need to put to good use their collective bargaining power and punish the party in government at the next MEP elections for failing to take a firm stand on immigration.

Simon J. Aquilina

Apr 30th 2009, 22:15

I am not keen on having more illegal immigrants here in Malta. However in this case the Maltese government has made the right thing considering that the Italians have decided to no longer abide to their international obligations. However the Maltese government should take all legal actions against Mr.Maroni and the government this represents. The Maltese Government should show the Italians and Europe that being small does not mean that others can bully us, because plain and simple this is what the Italians are doing.

marion pace

Apr 30th 2009, 22:06

The Italians are taking us for a ride, now we pick them up from near the Italian shores and bring them here.

Please start giving them Maltese Passports and free trips by catamarran with a one way ticket to Italy, immediately! This way they cannot refuse them entry and a right to live in an EU country!

Sandro Pace

Apr 30th 2009, 22:05

The Italians clearly tricked our government. They will tell our operational center to go with our patrol boats near Lampedusa, and collect the migrants from our S&R. Our spineless authorities does not have the guts to refuse. Then, they will deny entry to the nearest port, Lampedusa. And we will get the 40000.

The Maltese government should ensure that under no other circumstances should they be tricked into such an operational situation, come what may. The Italians broke the international law, and the makku will take everything.

BTW does Simon Busuttil still believe that the Frontex mission will take all migrants to Lampedusa. Pity that they are taking our MEPs for a ride, without they even knowing it.

David Farrugia

Apr 30th 2009, 22:03

I think it's a bout time to put humanitarian issues aside for the time being and bring forth our national interest. We are being taken for a ride by our neighboring countries and it is prime time we show them what we Maltese are made of. This time it was 66. Next time it might be 500! Keep that in mind fellow citizens.

louise vella

Apr 30th 2009, 22:01

Here we go again blaming Italy which of course is to blame.

But the main culprit is Libya which is using illegal immigrants as a weapon against Malta and Italy.

The illegal immigrants themselves are to blame because they deliberately put themselves at risk and blackmail us by threatening to commit suicide.

And GonziPN is to blame because for the last 5 years it has failed to tackle the crisis with the seriousness it deserves and preached and moralised like some do-gooder NGO.

James A. Tyrrell

Apr 30th 2009, 22:00

So much for the Government's tough stance against Italy. That lasted well didn't it!

Charlie Farrugia

Apr 30th 2009, 22:00

I am going to be very careful that I do not buy Italian products from now on. Shame on them. I never expected this from Berlusconi.

Wayne Hewitt

Apr 30th 2009, 21:57

It's time to give the government the yellow card.... vote AN and give the politicians a clear message. Solve the problem of illegal immigration or you're out

NEXT JUNE YOU CAN AFFORD TO VOTE AZZJONI NAZZJONALI

Candidates will be Dr. Josie Muscat, Malcolm Seychell and John Spiteri Gingell

NATIONAL INTEREST, FIRST

Wayne Hewitt, General Secretary, AN

Apr 30th 2009, 21:53

Azzjoni Nazzjonali deplores this sudden attitude taken by the Italian government in rejecting its international obligations with trying to offload its own responsibilities onto smaller Malta but also watches with anguish at the weakness being displayed by the Maltese government at accepting this boatload. The government should have taken only the illegal immigrant that needed urgent hospitalization and should have waited in international waters until Italy accepted its obligations dictated by international law.

The question here is clear, if Italy can put its national security before international obligations, why can't we?

For Azzjoni Nazzjonali, national security comes before any international dictats that were not designed to cater for a continent on the move. Azzjoni Nazzjonali reiterates that Italy and Malta should unite to stem this problem that is primarily originating from Libya and other North African countries.

louise vella

Apr 30th 2009, 21:45

"Migrants being brought to Malta 'solely for humanitarian reasons'"

Whether they are being brought solely for humanitarian reasons, or solely for political reasons, or solely for legal reasons, or solely for reasons of Dr Gonzi's do-gooder mentality, the fact remains they will be 66 more unwanted illegalimmigrants burdening our island home and bringing with them all kinds of problems today and in the future.

malcolm azzopardi

Apr 30th 2009, 21:41

this is unacceptable!!! i understand that humanitarian reasons come first but we must not forget our national interest. Malta just cannot take more ILLEGAL immigrants.

If Italy & Malta work together as a team both will benefit.

Edric Micallef Figallo

Apr 30th 2009, 21:17

I hate being proven right when my predictions aren't rosy. As I thought, it was a mere question of days. Enough of this charade, the government is acting in a manner which leads me to think that an international law case is being prepared. In the meantime, the EU either acts now or anyone in Malta going around with a blue flag and yellow stars should not expect my welcome.

Malta must take action, in the only manner it can in this instance, we must take Italy to the International Court of Justice. Unfortunately, we have no Marina Militare to block anyone's passage. L'Italia fà la figura dell'Italietta se fà la grande con La Valletta! Infamia!

D. Xuereb

Apr 30th 2009, 21:17

Hah what a farse! The Italian Government found the loophole and is blatantly breaking every kind of humanitarian law and all other responsibilities there might exist..and we still continue to be bullied from this country?! Burden sharing, equal say ....yes my ***. All words and no facts!

JB Caruana

Apr 30th 2009, 21:15

Why wasn't just the one requiring urgent medical attention picked up by the patrol boat? We would have still satisfied our humanitarian obligations. Rest of the dinghy could have continued with its journey - fuel could have been supplied by our patrol boat too! Also seems that Italy does not give a hoot what Commissioner Barrot said about same situation last time. Minister Mifsud Bonnici are we going to give up so easily?...and this is only the start of the season.

Mark Galea

Apr 30th 2009, 21:06

@All
This is a new tactic adopted by the Italians, which regretfully, is very intelligent. They receive a distress call, they call Malta because the boat in distress is in the S&R area of Malta. On being saved, the Italians then deny entry in their ports, leaving the Maltese with the immigrants.
Solutions: none except discussing with the Italians.

Justin Spiteri

Apr 30th 2009, 21:03

NOW let's see how politically correct "Le Iene" are.... let's see if they mention this in their next episode eh?......... anyone who knows their contact should post it....

Justin Spiteri

Stephen Forster

Apr 30th 2009, 20:58

The Italian Military Mission should be expelled wkoll..........

Less is more in this case......

Paul Smith

Apr 30th 2009, 20:51

The Republic of Malta is stuck between a rock and hard place, what can it do?
Europe is over loaded with immigrants at a time when social security budgets are bulging paying unemployment to it's own peoples, many EU countries have housing shortages in social housing.
large external debts and a credit free fall. Italy is also in financial crisis.
Malta happens to be at the crux of the entry port to Europe and the migrants have been displaced by war and poverty as well as a climate that makes it increasingly difficult to feed there peoples along with corrupt murdering regimes back home from somalia to darfur.

No one is to blame, the Maltese need a medal for all they do for illegal migrants.

There is only one solution and that is to issue EU passports and give them a plane fair to mainland europe with some spending money, this is the only way other geographically larger EU states will address the issue!

Stephen Forster

Apr 30th 2009, 20:49

I always thought the Italians considered the med "Mare Nostrum".....Or was that only when they had the Roman Empire? :-)

Wayne Hewitt, General Secretary, AN

Apr 30th 2009, 20:41

Azzjoni Nazzjonali deplores this sudden attitude taken by the Italian government in rejecting its international obligations with trying to offload its own responsibilities onto smaller Malta but also watches with anguish at the weakness being displayed by the Maltese government at accepting this boatload. The government should have taken only the illegal immigrant that needed urgent hospitalization and should have waited in international waters until Italy accepted its obligations dictated by international law.

The question here it’s clear, if Italy can put its national security before international obligations, why can't we?

For Azzjoni Nazzjonali, national security comes before any international dictats that were not designed to cater for a continent on the move. Azzjoni Nazzjonali reiterates that Italy and Malta should unite to stem this problem that is primarily originating from Libya and other North African countries.

a.camilleri

Apr 30th 2009, 20:40

to ms rita vella, how can you say that our goverment is holding on to its point when it gives in to the italian goverment?
the italians are going to stick to what they say as they know that summer is on its way, and god helps malta, best thing to do is stop patroling outside malta waters,

Luca Esse

Apr 30th 2009, 20:40

Come on guys!Wake up!Think ahead!Did Malta join EU?So Malta has to follow the EU rules.It was clearly in the maltese waters first.Then the captain had to call the italians as Malta answered they were not going to help...I know Malta is a small island.But this doesn't mean that you can only ask for money from eu in order to give assistance...without doing it.So that money goes to...?The ship was 1st in d maltese waters but afterwards as far as no help was coming over...from an eu member .....Italy had to send a boat.Thanks to the maltese that still keep on thinking that they can ask only to the eu without giving anything back.....BRAVI!!!! CLAP CLAP CLAP

MSciberras

Apr 30th 2009, 20:35

No the migrants are being brought to Malta because Italy is pressuring Malta to give up its SAR area and with the migrants already on a Maltese patrol boat, we had no choice. It is time to accept that relations with Italy are bad not good. If Italy can break the rulês with impunity so can we. The next migrants boat must be given fuel to continue on to Italy . And its time, perhaps, to consider saying goodbye to the Italian militay mission in Malta. Italy has demonstrated more clearly than ever that she is neither a friend nor a reliable partner.

Charles Sammut

Apr 30th 2009, 20:32

We shall receive 12,000 illegal immigrants this year. Even the immigrants themselves are making fun of us now and telling us to start thinking of leaving our island. Ask those who live in St Paul's Bay what is happening there.

So much for Malta's voice in the EU. The EU wants Malta to be its buffer and absorb everything that floats north from Libya's coast and that is what will happen because our leaders (including the opposition) have been reduced to EU lackeys.

James Muscat

Apr 30th 2009, 20:18

Now if Maltese patrol boat vessels needed a refurbishment that lasted 2 years or so, wouldn't the be for the benefit of us all . I think these boats are the problem. if we did not have the patrol boats then, we cannot go out and bring "them" here. So find a good excuse and shut down the navy for some time ..

Emanuel Vella

Apr 30th 2009, 20:17

The Pinar incident of a couple of weeks ago was described by one of our Ministers as a case of disagreement between two friends but this latest incident definitely appears to be an act of trickery by an enemy. Very symbolic that this act of European "solidarity" is occurring today, as Malta celebrates the fifth anniversary of membership in that utopic club called the EU. If the version reported is indeed true, the story smacks of childish, yet serious, behaviour on the part of a larger, allied, neighbouring country from whom one expects a more serious approach.

The time for useless diplomatic chit-chat on its own should be over. Malta should show its mettle through some tangible action both unilaterally and through the EU. We need to show Italy that in spite of being small we have our dignity and we cannot be bullied or tricked into submission. After all, most of the migrants are coming from countries which are ex-colonies of Italy, countries whose horrible colonial experience in no small way contributed to the mess they find themselves in today.....

Joseph Cauchi

Apr 30th 2009, 20:12

May I ask what is our Government going to do in this regard as regards the snub that the Italian authorities have just landed on us?

Isn’t it this a clear breach of international law by Italy of refusing survivors to land at the nearest safe port?

Malta’s role is the CO-ORDINATION of the search and rescue and the disembarkation at the NEAREST and safe port.

In this case, the NEAREST safe port is Lampedusa!

This is Malta’s hour and should not look weak with the bullies!

Stand Up and Be Counted!

It is DAVID VERSUS GOLIATH!

../..

J.Spiteri

Apr 30th 2009, 20:09

@ Louise Vella. What if they scuttle their boat ? They know they will be ' rescued ' and taken to a European country. They aren't that stupid.

v.pulis

Apr 30th 2009, 20:02

@Robert Cauchi
"in acque di competenza maltesi." means our SAR region not our territorial waters. There is a difference .

Gabriel Sammut

Apr 30th 2009, 19:47

Can someone please explain what on earth our patrol boat was doing so close to Lampedusa? The explanations owing to this country by the AFM just keep piling up don't they?

louise vella

Apr 30th 2009, 19:46

And in presenting the PN slogan for the European Parliament elections Lawrence Gonzi did not include illegal immigrants among the 'challenges', that is problems, facing Malta! Dr Gonzi, are you with us?

Carmelo(Nenu)Aquilina

Apr 30th 2009, 19:45

Jien nixtieq nuri l-appogg tieghi lill-awtoritajiet Maltin f'dawn ic-cirkustanzi li jinsabu fihom dawn hutna l-bnedmin.
Nahseb ikun aktar ghaqli li flok noqghodu immaqdru lill mexxejja Maltin, f'dan il-mumment ninghaqdu, u mhux noqghodu indahqu lit-Taljani!
Possibli li anke f'din ic-cirkustanza partikulari ser inwarrbu l-patriottizmu Malti u npaxxu lill-barrani, specjalment fejn verament ilkoll nafu li ghandna ragun?
Ejjew huti Maltin f'din ic-cirkustana nuru li ahna lkoll Maltin Inteligenti, u lill barrani ma ser inpaxxuh qatt u qatt izjed! Ara ma tahsbux li hemm xi' Taljan li mhux qed jappoggja lill-mexxejja Taljani fuq din il-kwistjoni!
Mela huti Maltin illum ghall-mument ejjew ninsew dawk id-differenzi ta'bejnietna u ilkoll flimkien naghtu kull appogg lill-mexxejja Maltin!
Ejjew nuru lit-Taljani li ahna lkoll ahwa Maltin ta' veru bhal ma dejjem konna, u m'ahna ser inhallu lill hadd jidhaq bill-Maltin!

philip pace

Apr 30th 2009, 19:41

I think that the Italians have equalised in their own way.

As for me and thousands more Maltese the PM can tear up that Voluntary burden sharing and throw it in the dustbin as it does not serve any purpose at all.
That agreement was a joke, an insult to us and a danger to own country.
You move Prime Minister and this time do not hide any facts as I don't like to hear it coming from an Italian TV Station who had the interviewer coming to Malta asking million dollar questions on the Pinar Case.
Now what shall we do?

Rita Vella

Apr 30th 2009, 19:27

The Italian Government's position is inexplicable, once again they are refusing to accept the immigrants even though Lampedusa is the closest harbour! Commissioner Barrot was important the last time this issue arose, the EU will back us up if Italy decide not to apply the rules...

Carmel J Farrugia

Apr 30th 2009, 19:23

Can somebody in power explain why a Maltese Patrol Boart was patrolling an area south of Lampedusa? Why wasn't an Italian boat doing this duty, after all they have a navy which is by far much larger than ours. Can't the powers that are in Malta realise that we have nothing to do patrolling seas as far of as this. We should remain on the boundaries of our territorial waters -- not more.

Raymond Sammut

Apr 30th 2009, 19:22

In this case it should be abundantly clear that the AFM could have provided fuel, and thus complete their search and rescue operation for this particular illegal boat.

The AFM only needed to take the ones who needed urgent hospitalization. The Maltese government could later lodge a complaint with the EU courts about the Italian authorities refusing assistance to people needing urgent hospitalization just off Lampedusa.

Mary Grace Cassar

Apr 30th 2009, 19:18

So, Italy has chosen to take the path of least resistance - US! The bridge between Africa and Europe which is supposed to be Malta, has been destroyed half way by the Italians just like the one which used to be at the entrance to grand harbour. The immigrants get on the bridge at one end, and have to stop in the middle. We are in a fix, and no amount of hot air aimed by our politicians at each other will solve this one. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place, both of which just happen to be continents.

daniel cardona

Apr 30th 2009, 19:12

the italians are already preparing for the summer invasion thus putting everything on our side. we should start reacting from now, else we're gonna take every single illegal immigrant which is going to cross from africa to the EU.

enjoy

GEORGE J. CUTAJAR

Apr 30th 2009, 19:06

Here we go again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just when we all thought it was safe to pick up migrants close to Italy's shores and just drop them off at the nearest safe port we are now going to end up housing another 66.

Whoever said that we are not facing a crisis situation must be living in cuckoo-land. How about Lawrence calling SIlvio to let him know that this time we will ' on humanitarian grounds' take in the 66 migrants and while at it LAwrence should let SIlvio know that Malta would be more than willing to host all migrants plucked from the sea in our SAR zone by our armed forces.

Well it seems that Mr. Barrot's intervention as well as Carm's stand-off with Maroni were just a smoke screen. Perhaps CMB can ask LIDL to give us a good price on tents as I am more than certain that come next summer Malta will supliment the lack of tourists with waves of illegal migrants who will have to be put up in decent dwellings, given a mobile etc. etc, etc.

Makes me feel like packing my bags and leaving Malta and Europe, for that matter, for good.

Joseph Cauchi

Apr 30th 2009, 19:02

“What happens if a group of survivors consisting of illegal immigrants are in our SAR area, are nearer to Lampedusa than to Malta and the Italian authorities declare that the nearest safe port of Lampedusa is FULL UP and therefore NOT SAFE; where will these survivors be taken; will it be Malta”?


I posted the above question on this site 3 days ago on the -MEPs vote on Dublin II changes today - and got no reply yet!

Unfortunately I just got the reply now!

There is nothing we can do, all we have to do is to raise our hands in surrender and embrace and accept this inevitable invasion!

Quo Vadis, Malta?

../..

norman grech

Apr 30th 2009, 18:59

can some enlighten me as how we are responsabile for an area just 24 miles of Lampedusa?
if we are responsible why not drill for oil in that area and use these imigrants surely the Italians will not come out for us, or will they ? lol viva Malta

Joe Sammut

Apr 30th 2009, 18:58

What allies?? What Union?? Sounds to me like we're at war!! Naturally with those that we share the "same ideals and ideas".

Joanne Micallef

Apr 30th 2009, 18:56

Goes to show that in the end we're on our own, keeping in mind that this is really just the beginning of the ‘crossing’ season, as a very concerned citizen I would like to know how our Government intends to proceed to safeguard our National Interest.

Rita Vella

Apr 30th 2009, 18:50

The Italian Govt. is once again refusing to follow the advice of the EU commissioner Barrot, that is, that those rescued should be taken to the nearest safe haven, in this case once again, Lampedusa.

It is unfortunate that Italy continues to bully our small nation, however, I'm positive that our Maltese Gov. continues to hold on to its point.

Franco Buttigieg

Apr 30th 2009, 18:35

This is pointing to a situation of “who picks them keeps them”. Malta should watch its efforts as the cost could be high and unforeseen situations could also cost it dearly not only to sustain the great volume of illegal people but also in it’s relationship with a country that has backed it at diplomatic levels and through financial aid.
Maybe we should consider changing our rescue tactics and only going out to sea on such missions once boats in need have navigated beyond the areas falling under the Italian Government responsibilities, meaning when these boats are closer to our shores then to those of other countries.

E. Azzopardi

Apr 30th 2009, 18:31

I have read in the media that the Italian and Libyan patrols will start soon . These patrols, it is said, will ensure that the illegal immigrants will not go anywhere near the Italian coast. So to where they will be directed?????? I do not think that you have to be a genuis to understand and realize this. All that talk , bla bla, promises, meetings, everybody is sympathising us (there is definitely no lack of this!!!) but it stops there. Some also try to kick us. And we hope against hope. But then again, hope is eternal, isn;t it ??

d. borg

Apr 30th 2009, 18:30

They should not bring them to Malta. Bringing them to Malta means that now whenever this situation arises, Italy will be refusing them and we will have to bring them here. I dread to think what will happen this summer. The strong stand taken by our Prime Minister during the Pinar saga was for nothing.

Albert Sciberras

Apr 30th 2009, 18:23

Shame on you, as to whoever gave the go ahead to proceed on to Malta, was there a treaty signed about the nearest safe port or not ? Us taxpayers need answers on this!!!!!

Karen Micallef

Apr 30th 2009, 18:23

@P.Cassar

What PL lines ? Give them a vote or something? I actually think that for EP elections I can afford trying out AN

David Gauci

Apr 30th 2009, 18:21

If the informed sources are correct when saying that the patrol boat is heading to Malta, I dare say that the Pinar E saga became an utter useless episode. Was Malta right when it did not submit to Italy's pressure? What about this time? Did Malta abondon the principles on which it did not accept the Pinar immigrants?

louise vella

Apr 30th 2009, 18:21

"The migrants were picked up from a dinghy which was drifting after having run out of fuel some 30 nautical miles off Lampedusa."
So why didn't the AFM just give them enough fuel and then waved them goodbye?

M.Gauci

Apr 30th 2009, 18:15

Maroni is definately an idiot trying to make a fool of us Maltese.

Mario Cortis

Apr 30th 2009, 18:14

If these immigrants were rescued 24 miles off the Italian Island then they will be taken to Lampedusa. On the other hand if there was a person in danger of losing his life on board of Malta's Petrol Boat then their first priority should be to take him to hospital without any need of legal agreements or confrontation. But still if facts are as written in the article, Malta will act the same as before!!! SHAME on Italy's Government!!!!!!!!

C.ZARB

Apr 30th 2009, 18:13

So we take all the illegal immigrants heading to Europe. Is that ok for you Mr Agius?

Brian Maloret

Apr 30th 2009, 18:13

R. Agius

If these illegal immigrants know that there is a chance of them losing their lives in trying to reach Europe why do they do. Under international law, they have safe haven in Libya from the dangers, real or imagined, that they are escaping. There is no need for them to go any further than Libya.

David Muscat

Apr 30th 2009, 18:13

The government should now order our patrol boats to leave port towing empty boats. Whenever the immigrants need help, just give them fuel or a new boat and send them on their way.

Against the agreements signed by Malta? Who cares. It seems the agreements are being broken by all sides except us.

Either that, or escort them back to 10 miles from Libya with enough fuel to arrive safely.

......or else expect 20,000 newcomers this year and the following years. The choice is our government's.

The Government should remember that it was elected to safeguard our interests and its main duty is towards us not to Italy or the illegal immigrants.

Franco Farrugia

Apr 30th 2009, 18:10

And the Minister led us to believe that 'all is excellently well again, now, with Italy.'
Hardly!

Edwin Mifsud

Apr 30th 2009, 18:07

"It’s Like Watching A Nation Building It’s Own Funeral Pyre…" John Enoch Powell

Adrian Cardona

Apr 30th 2009, 18:06

@ R Agius
yes.
they chose to put themselves at risk.

norman grech

Apr 30th 2009, 18:04

can someone explain how come we are responsible for search and rescue just 24miles out off Lampedusa if we are why not drill for oil there then LOL and see who is responsible

A. Pulis

Apr 30th 2009, 18:02

Jaqaw l-Italja ma kellhomx biex johorgu jigbruhom!!!????? Ghala hargu l-Maltin?

Anthony E Portelli

Apr 30th 2009, 17:59

The maltese patrol boat should not have been there.

malcolm seychell

Apr 30th 2009, 17:59

Let us unite and send them back to Libya!!!

Robert Cauchi

Apr 30th 2009, 17:58

''PALERMO - Le autorità italiane non hanno consentito l'ingresso nelle acque territoriali nazionali e l'attracco a Lampedusa a una motovedetta di Malta con a bordo 66 extracomunitari. Lo si apprende dal comando generale delle capitanerie di porto. I migranti erano stati soccorsi da un peschereccio tunisino mentre erano su un gommone alla deriva in acque di competenza maltesi. La motovedetta ha quindi ripreso la navigazione dirigendosi a Malta.''

They were picked up in Maltese territorial waters, it says, so now it's Malta's responsibility.

Lewis Ellul

Apr 30th 2009, 17:57

And worse, much worse is still to come as summer and fine weather approaches. Malta must seek more diplomatic help from its allies to confront Italy's bullying tactics and Maroni's idiocies.

R. Agius

Apr 30th 2009, 17:57

What some people here are proposing is mind-boggling! Do you actually want to keep lingering in a situation where a person...a human being...is in danger of losing his life!

v.pulis

Apr 30th 2009, 17:52

The maltese SAR region is located in such a way as to provide a screen the whole length of the Libyan coast from Tunisia to just South of Crete thus shielding Southern Europe from any incursions. Italy's SAR regions are all behind this barrier. Consequently, all immigrant boats leaving North Africa will have to pass through our SAR region with the inevitable result that we will be responsible for them according to Italian reasoning. Therefore, as from today not one single immigrant will set foot on Italian soil unless he takes a round trip and passes by the Balearic islands!

Muscat.Pat

Apr 30th 2009, 17:22

Voluntary burden sharing as trumpeted by PN is going to be our ruin. Why Malta accepted to take over these people off Lempedusa sums it all. PN will not defend our interest because it suffers from inferiority complex. We need PL which means what it says and is capable of making things happen. Malta l-ewwel u qabel kollox is still a valid battle cry!

louise vella

Apr 30th 2009, 16:46

The issue is not whether they should be landed in Italy or in Malta, but that they should be stopped from entering EU countries and their waters.
We need a robust (but unarmed) coastguard - Frontex but with teeth - to push back boats that have no legal business crossing over.

Karl Muscat

Apr 30th 2009, 16:17

Foreign Affairs spokesman said it right on Le Iene. Should the same case happen again, we will do exactly the same!

C. Azzopardi

Apr 30th 2009, 15:56

Here we go - and the nightmare begins!!!!!!!! Or continues as they never let up!