Divorce and abortion (1)
I shall ignore the offensive tone of Roamer's reply (The Sunday Times, October 12) to my October 5 article 'Logic, common sense, divorce'. My credentials as a philosopher are established where it counts and hardly depend on his opinion.
Going straight to the point, perhaps he can show me what the truth is he says I fiddled with", or "had difficulty with" in my article. What he tried to show in his reply, as he said at the end of his column, was that I had "misrepresented what I wrote" (a strange complaint for someone who dedicated most of his previous piece to misrepresenting me and mine), which is very different. But then, he probably thinks that misrepresenting what he wrote is misrepresenting the truth.
I am supposed to have misrepresented him by deducing that his "grounds for denying the citizens of Malta the right to divorce lie in a supposedly predictable future". Wrong, he thunders. Well, if he describes the "sequence divorce, abortion, euthanasia" as "a matter of logic" and argues that "we may assume it is a matter of time" before the clamour for a civil right to abortion would inevitably follow that for divorce, what option does he leave me but to conclude that he is playing the questionable game of prediction and engaging in an argument based on a non sequitur? I hope this explanation removes his easy "bafflement".
Next, he claims, amazingly, that divorce "was not even remotely the subject of my piece". Now this is "fiddling". True, divorce was not the subject of his piece, but a substantial part of it took me to task for being critical of the bishop's sermon on divorce and supported the bishop's claim that abortion and euthanasia form a single package with divorce - hardly not being "remotely the subject". Perhaps the "never mind euthanasia" in the sentence he quotes was clumsily put; it was not meant to refer to what Roamer said but to qualify the "there is no lobby" part of the sentence. In any case, point conceded on this one.
But not on his final four paragraphs where he tried to play smart (or perhaps it constitutes a blind spot in his historical knowledge) insisting, as a kind of coup de grace, that he "has no idea" why I "bring in the 16th century". He must know that the 16th century brought the Reformation and saw the first legalisation of divorce in modern Europe, which is what we are talking about. This is not an "irrelevant assertion" - perhaps he thinks it so because he has mixed up the word 'causally', which I used, with 'casually', which is what he misquoted me to have used, thereby totally distorting the meaning of my sentence.
My point was that, given the huge time-gap between the two events, there is no causal historical link between the early introduction of divorce into European legislation and the introduction centuries later of legalised abortion. Therefore no 'sequence' for the two events can be claimed other than a chronological one. The argument is "ponderous" and "cannot be serious" only if it is grossly misrepresented, as it is by Roamer.
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William P Flynn
Oct 20th 2008, 10:18
Thank you Mr Cowie; you're too kind. Always happy to help whenever I can. But, really, I didn't invent abortion and I didn't make it legal in any country. When parliament, in my neck of the woods, voted on a bill to legalize it, my MP didn't ask for my advice and I didn't offer it.
But you know what? I knew it would pass; and it did. And you know what also? I don't believe it will change the numbers of abortions either way; but we'll see.
Abortion is a tragic choice in tragic circumstances which most civilized states have decided are best left to the people involved; and that the state should put at the disposal of those unfortunates the best medical care and the freedom/release from illegality.
Please try to understand, none of these countries recommend abortion; and abortion per capita numbers are similar in countries whether legal or not.
Now Mr Cowie, go back and stick your head in the sand. If my memory serves me correctly, you live in the UK. Why don't you try to make abortion illegal where you live? See how far you'll get.
GerryCowie
Oct 19th 2008, 22:55
I must congratulate William P Flynn on his latest outburst of absolute bitterness against all that the Catholic Church stands for.
It only stands to strengthen the resolve of all who believe in the importance of human life. The unborn cannot defend themselves and it is up to those who value human life in any way at all to stand up for them.
Thankyou, Mr Flynn, for your secularism which contrasts so much with the beliefs of others. Without your comments nobody would understand how cheap secularists have made human life in this day and age! They shall not succeed in making human life secondary to materialism!
K. Pullicino
Oct 19th 2008, 19:47
I have yet to understand in what way abortion leads to freedom. If anything, it is the total lack of freedom since one isn't even allowed to live.
Frans Sammut
Oct 19th 2008, 11:35
I tend to agree with W.P. Flynn's presentation of facts. It's a pity, however, that he should include abortion in the equation.
William P Flynn
Oct 19th 2008, 11:05
One might suppose if some pope of long ago put 6 green bottles on the wall and labelled them Divorce, Contraception, Abortion, Euthanasia, Gay Rights, Stemcell Research, and people like Roamer saw them falling one by one, being knocked down in country after country, he might wonder what caused them all to fall.
Are they falling in any order, sequence, relationship or rhythm to one another? The answer is, who cares? The dogmas relating to all of them are anachronistic, untenable and entirely out of whack with reality in the age of freedom and choice; and like the flat earth doctrine, once gone, can never be brought back.
That parliaments all over the world are legalizing all the things the pope and the church declare as taboo is inevitable.