Friday, 10th October 2008 - 10:14CET
PN says Italy-Libya treaty published in newspaper
The Nationalist Party said today that part of a treaty between Libya and Italy which Joseph Muscat was given access to during his recent visit to Tripoli was actually published in a Libyan newspaper more than a month ago.
It said in a statement that the treaty signed between Libya and Italy on August 30 was published in full by the Libyan news agency Jana.
On his arrival from Libya late on Tuesday, Dr Muscat told a news conference at the airport that he had been given access to part of the treaty signed between the Italian and Libyan governments a month and a half ago.
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Manduca's work is based on historic and very solemn declarations. It is neither given the look to suit the blue herd!
More than that I do not need to read such books to know what type of people were those Italian names you mentioned. It is much more useless to mention the foreign newspapers issue and the foreign diplomacy act as those were initiatives endorsed for the necessities of that time. Mintoff stood in power for 15 years and your chosen half truth interpretations are not the prime characteristics of labour's leadership.
It sounds funny how certain contributors like this Wistin refuse to discuss all the benefit, investment and social justice which labour introduced in Malta whenever it was in Government!
Having lived abroad and been involved in the political process abroad my self, I can for a fact state that at times election brochures are centrally produce to save on cost. To reduce cost it is a normal process that the central party will produce the the central theme of the campaign brochure and asking the local candidate to provide the balance to the content.
In short, don't be surprise what one finds on Tony Blair's brochure appeared on every British Labour Candidate.
If you want to find something really pathetic, have a look at No Minister (by E Saliba).
Do you mean that Dr Sciberras Trigona did not issue the infamous memo to the diplomatic missions in Malta not to meet PN officials?
Do you mean that the Foreign Interference Act did not exist?
Do you mean that vos Hassel was not declared persona non grata?
Do you mean that Massimo Gorla and Roberto Formigoni were not hassled when they came to Malta?
Do you mean that certain British papers were not allowed in Malta?
etc, etc
Patethic....and how!
Why are PN apologists getting so hot under the collar?
Why have all gone into a frenzy?
You do not even have any idea what the EU Treaty says. You do not even have the net amount of what we are receiving from the EU.
Some months ago, most of you were not even aware that after joining the Euro, our Central Bank has no say in the interest rates in Malta.
Now all of a sudden, you have become experts on agreements, not only with the Maltese Government, but also between other countries.
Assuming that the link provided by Joseph Agius is the full treaty, the new Labour International Secretary may wish to clarify if they were shown any additional details or protocols. I hope that the Libyans were not referring to the agreement signed with Italy in December 2007. Is it not time for foreign affairs in Malta to be treated in a bipartisan manner?
The following make interesting reading:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/29/europe/EU-GEN-Italy-Libya-Immigration.php
http://www.france24.com/en/20080830-berlusconi-colonial-rule-compensation-gaddafi-italy-libya&navi=MONDE
http://libyamonitor.blogspot.com/2008/09/libya-italy-treaty-unravels-less-than.html
http://www.ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2008-10-07_107278156.html
http://www.ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/news_collection/awnplus_altrenotizie/visualizza_new.html_787426409.html
http://www.handsoffcain.info/news/index.php?iddocumento=10317440
http://untreaty.un.org/English/TreatyHandbook/chapter5.htm
People should read the 'Flavour of the Mintoff era' by Manduca and will know exactly how boring and untrue is this Nationalists' Trigona song. Apparently they did find nothing to pick on.
MLP are fond of secret agreements... remember the secret agreement with North Korea?
That's what you're missing my fellow blue friends. Such an article gives a little opportunity to the herd of the blue cows willing to try and erase the failure of their party!
1. MLP statement of the 9/10/2008 (see www.mlp.org.mt) said that: “Minn naha l-ohra tul iz-zjara kien hemm ukoll diskussjonijiet dwar l-immigrazzjoni illegali fejn id-delegazzjoni Laburista anki inghatat access ghall-parti tal-ftehim bejn l-Italja u l-Libja li tikkoncerna dan il-qasam.” Either the MLP did not know that the agreement was in the public domain or the MLP tried to mislead us.
2. More seriously is the fact that on issues were national unity should be a priority, and our foreign affairs on the issue of illegal migration is definitely one of them, the new political season of Dr. Joseph Muscat is trying to divide the Maltese people. Even the old political season of his predecessor knew better.
Not at all. but I suspect that if gaddafi really showed Dr.Muscat something that was not public domain he is playing a game of divide and rule here. He wants to give the impression that he is more willing to deal with Dr. Muscat than he is with the prime minister. And we would be fools to fall for it. if gaddafi has something to say to the maltese he should do it through their rightful government. I'm not saying that he should not talk to the opposition but this thing started on the wrong foot from the outset. Labour gave the impression that it was some secret mission cloaked in secrecy and mystery.
http://www.maltarightnow.com/content/media/trattat_libja_italja_300808.html
So if Joseph facilitates matters are you saying that the Government should refuse them?
As Napoleon, I believe, have said, everyone has a price.
Especially politicians.
Your references prove it.
Here we go again, mela PN giddibin. Lets see!
The Sun newspaper 24/06/98
The Labour Party as a whole stayed hostile to the EEC, though, even pledging withdrawal in their 1983 manifesto. Young Mr Blair was no exception, in his own words: "We will negotiate a withdrawal from the (E)EC, which has drained our natural resources and destroyed our jobs".
Smajta A Mangion. Just as Dr. Muscat had said, Blair was once against the EU.
Dr. Muscat did not tell porky pies, but PN apologists try to give their interpretation when they quote out of context, as they usually do to make their point.
Blair was and still is against the Euro, and so is Brown, although at one time, Blair tried to convince, that joining the Euro would not make the UK loose any of it's financial independence. Brown was against and it did not happen. So are the Conservatives.
Trying to get political advantage by deception will not go far enough to make us forget that PN have big financial problems on their hands.
Only time will tell what Dr. Muscat has under his sleeve, and only then shall we see who is right and who was wrong!
@Sborg...it seems more like that there is nothing new from PN...the usual pathetic spin campaigns....
Talking of gaffes, anyone remembers the day when Pope Ratzinger met Presidents, Kings etc etc? Anyone remembers which President was shooting photos with his mobile phones? Here's a clue...his name starts with an E....
well done!!!! well done !!!! Joseph Muscat ftakar min jithak bil poplu malti ikun qed jithak bih innifsu josss.
This MALTA of ours is in such a MESS we shoould be in a corner crying not making fun of every move the politicians make!!!!!!!!! SHAME
GROW UP
You are wrong on the Blair Issue. What Tony Blair published were highlights of the British labour Party's platform. At every turn Tony Blair stated that his views are not the same as those of his party and that He totally is in favour of the EU.
Haven't you read else where in Times that the number of gainfully occupied people keeps going North and the number of unemployed keeps going South month over month. All of this and Smart City is not even on stream yet.
Please note that:
On the 7th of October, i.e. last Tuesday, ANSA reported that:
'The agreement Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi signed with Libyan leader Colonel Muammar Gaddafi at the end of August has not yet been published or ratified in Italy. On Tuesday, Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said the full text of the measure would be put to parliament within two weeks, along with a ratification bill.'
Link is enclosed below:
http://www.ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2008-10-07_107278156.html
This document has NOT yet been published in full. Indeed, Joseph Muscat was shown parts of an agreement which has NOT been published in full. Only Silvio Berlusconi has already seen the full agreement.
Some time ago our President went to Libya and nearly nobody gave a hoot and nothing seems to have materialised from this visit.
Joseph went to the same country and here we are seeing people researching what the treaty between Italy & Libya said, whether it was printed in full or in part and if Joseph saw the published part or another one. All these 'researchers' would do a better job if they see what the Italians managed to obtained and our Government did not .... this is what should interest Mr John Citizen!!!
is this the full treaty??
www.jananews.ly%2FPage.aspx%3FPageId%3D24874%26PI%3D2&sl=ar&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 " target="_blank">http://translate.google.com.mt/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jananews.ly%2FPage.aspx%3FPageId%3D24874%26PI%3D2&sl=ar&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Please give us the link to the English version. Italian will do as well.
Even if extracts of such treaty were published online, do you know which articles of the treaty were handed to Joseph? Might not exactly be the ones you're linking us to..
I can't find the treaty
http://www.jananews.ly/Page.aspx?PageId=24874&PI=2
Is it better to focus on the real problems that the Maltese are facing? Is it better to focus on how the Maltese are going to pay those electricity bills?
Don't worry so much about us!! It's not good after all, we now what we are doing, don't worry!!
What amazes me the most is that part of the electorate still gives importance to these kind of " so called news ". Will this effect the Maltese economy in the short or long term ? What about the electricity new tariffs ?? What about the promised consultancy with all parties concerened ?? what about the proposed loans to the first time buyers ?? and last but not least, what about the 5 light bulbs promised ?? What a Joke !!
Guess some of the later questions will effect more our bottom line at the end of the day !!
I guess some people are fool and stupid to believe everything !!
Joseph Muscat NEVER said that he had viewed anything secret, it's just the assumption some people arrived at.
Gonzi and his friends have nothing to do with this. Joseph Muscat cannot afford to make such a mess (ok he's young but...) The problem is that if you compare like with like, people would prefer Gonzi and the PN, as they have done for these last years. Remember the election? Even if Labour wins the election which is very far away, which I doubt it will (Jason Micallef?, Tony Abela?, Anglu Farrugia?), it would have been in opposition for long. Now that's a shame !
Jana website is enclosed below.
http://www.jananews.ly/
Furthermore, the website of the Italian Embassy in line does not give any detailed information on the agreement. If such an agreement was made available in full it would have also featured in the Italian Embassy's website enclosed below.
http://www.ambtripoli.esteri.it/Ambasciata_Tripoli/Menu/I_rapporti_bilaterali/Cooperazione_politica/Accordi/
Do you really believe that such an agreement has been published IN FULL???
Enlighten me on the great achievements reached by the present government in terms of Malta-Libya relations in 20yrs.
To be honest, if Joseph Muscat makes gaffes locally, I dont really mind.
But these international gaffes (Libya, Blair) - this is embarassing our country even from the Opposition!
Is this true, that the part of the agreement that the Leader of the Opposition was shown by Libya was in fact published in a Libyan newspaper some time ago?
My goodness, won'tt we ever learn! ! !
Why is proper preparation NOT done by those who surround the Leader of the Opposition, Joseph Muscat, or are they NOT competent enough in their field? (Probably yes!)
Well, perhaps the Leader of the Opposition is at the moment in the phase of on the JOB-TRAINING ! ! !
! ? ! ?
Possibly, Jason Micallef did not know this, hu Ejja, veru!
Mr Muscat has screwed it up again and eveything the labour does is useless.
Just look around you and you can see and now even touch the horrendous state the country is in thanks to mistakes by your beloved PN government. I am sure that Dr Muscat knows what he's doing conrary to Dr Gonzi and his friends. Shame on you all.
Better stop bluffing and start working internally Mr Muscat!! MLP cannot afford another humiliation in 5 years time. Its a huge responsibility.