OPM asks police to investigate claims of hunting abuse

Jeremy J Camilleri

Sep 25th 2008, 22:17

Sylvana Zarb Darmanin...
your position regarding the high ranking official of KNK fined for illegalities?

'Contrary to what you state, I NEVER justified/justify the illegalities in Malta, or anywhere for that matter. I always defend the rights of the LAW-ABIDING hunters. Get it now?!'

and yet you have failed to condemn such an action by a high ranking official...

Until you do so, no one really believes you, so stop making a fool of yourself....

A.Farrugia

Sep 24th 2008, 11:13

@Ms. Zarb Darmanin
Precisely my argument. People don't get accustomed as you say. You are implying for example, that all spaniards are accustomed to the brutal murder of bulls during the bull fights. That is not the case. I have spanish friends who loath the acts and are not accustomed to them. They are more than welcome to comment about the Maltese version of the brutal murder of birds. They are not pulling anyone's legs by doing so, except winding up people enough to write back with silly argurments and finger pointing.
As I said, finger pointing will not help the hunter's cause. To be honest I don't thing anything will given the amount of infringements they do.

Sylvana Zarb Darmanin

Sep 24th 2008, 10:43

I am sorry to say that you have not understood my argument Mr. A. Farrugia. Normal people do not ask about a certain thing when they are accustomed to in their own country. That is, if they do not want to pull your legs!

Contrary to what you state, I NEVER justified/justify the illegalities in Malta, or anywhere for that matter. I always defend the rights of the LAW-ABIDING hunters. Get it now?!

A.Farrugia

Sep 24th 2008, 10:09

Shallow reasoning Ms. Zarb Darmanin. When we have a problem it does not pay to point out the problems of others to help our cause. It is also in the bible after all, travu f'ghajnek..etc...

Two wrongs will never make a right, and you justify the monsters in Malta by pointing out the monsters in scotland. Maybe the people who spoke to Mr. Caruana are fighting to eradicate the problems from Scotland. Maybe they are embaressed by their problems at home as we are with the bad name local poachers give us. That is the truth. You never justify murder with murder.

I hope we can at least agree on this.

AF

Sylvana Zarb Darmanin

Sep 24th 2008, 09:17

Mr. A. Caruana, assure your Scottish friends that the Maltese hunters do exactly what the Scottish hunters are doing in Scotland!! Are you also aware that Scotland is known as a hunting destination around the world?!

henry J Bonett

Sep 23rd 2008, 21:37

Abortions? What are you raving about? I fully support CABS. The ones irresponsible are those who cite sport for uncontrolled slaughter of lovely creatures denying all others, in Malta and abroad, from exercising their right to enjoy them. And they have the gall ,or whatever it takes, to cloud the issue by offering an admixture of lettuce and air.

A.Farrugia

Sep 23rd 2008, 21:26

@A.Gatt
On the other hand it could be a hunter with all licenses necessary, FKNK member, con tutto in regola. But just plainly I don't care like many hunters. You never know really.

@V.Battistino
What is holding you going to Germany, paying from your own pocket, consuming your own leave and taking footage, post it on the internet and make a whole halabaloo of everything you see with the world. Nothing. Before being xenophobic I'd like to remind you that these people, coming from the EU are as foreigners as a person from St. Julians going to Sliema.
In any case - the law abiding hunters have nothing to hide from these people.

@FKNK - I am dying to hear how much FKNK has helped the police identify the culprits. Walk your words not your hunting dogs now.

@Collective punishment argumenters
Well when something cannot be controlled you collectively stop it. This is a simple fact. Ideally there is no carefews during insubordination. No laws to pay taxes, no buses inpounded in valletta during the protests, etc.. but it does not work that way when you cannot find the culprits or when the culprits are too many.

Antony Caruana

Sep 23rd 2008, 21:17

My friends here in Scotland are all asking me why do the Maltese people want to kill all the birds that fly over there island. Is this how we want to be known around the world, ban hunting and take away the guns and if anyone is caught shooting put them in jail and end the shame they bring on us.

Jason Borg

Sep 23rd 2008, 20:55

@Victor battistino - the video footages you requested are freely available on the net. While some Maltese try to hide our dirt under the carpet, many foreigners readily bring theirs out in the open. That is why their situation is better than ours. It is one of the reasons why, for example, fox hunting has been banned in England.

E Camilleri

Sep 23rd 2008, 20:40

This investigation is more than welcome. The situation is unbearable. How long can we continue to witness the shooting down of protected species? And I'm sure that, these incidents that are coming out on the media, are only the tip of the iceberg. To have the secretary of FKNK convicted because of his involvement in encouraging or assisting "another person to violate a police order to stop the trapping of birds" is the final straw (see http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20080825/local/fknk-secretary-fined-over-kercem-incident/).

We've been hearing a lot from FKNK that illegalities from hunting/trapping are a few, however it doesn't pass a day during prime migration of different species without hearing of any obscenity.

m.vassallo

Sep 23rd 2008, 20:23

very funny.now our beloved goverment is taking notice of these frustrated germans.soon they will ask to govern our islands too.pajjiz u gvern tal-mickey mouse.

C Mallia

Sep 23rd 2008, 20:16

Looking at such videos on the CABS website speak much louder than words. The habitat is easily recognisable as Maltese.

When are all Maltese going to wake up to the bad name Malta is receiving? It is hard to deny videos that what is seen did not actually happen. Who is behind the videos is totally irrelevant. It is the content of the video which does the damage and those are the people to blame...no one else.

Andrew Gatt

Sep 23rd 2008, 20:11

@ C Camenzuli......indeed, are you living in the same world or do you see only what you want to see? Haven't you read my posts on various hunting-related topics? I cannot condemn such incidents enough and my stand has always been against illegal poaching and in favour of law-abiding hunters. I also stand against the extremists who want LEGAL hunting banned and yes, CABS are on record as self-declared ban-it-all-now extremists.

My point is: unless the laws are FAIRLY ENFORCED, further restricting all hunters solves NOTHING. It simply gives poachers more freedom to break the law and to run around where they please, while law-abiding hunters are at home. I cannot fathom what you saw in my post that implied I am in favour of stupid, pointless, criminal acts such as these.

Anthony Mizzi

Sep 23rd 2008, 20:00

Why does The Office of the Prime Minister HAVE to ask the Police Commissioner to investigate claims made by the Committee Against Bird Slaughter (CABS) of "renewed massive killing of protected migrant birds of prey by Maltese hunters”. ?

Doesn't the Police Commissioner have the iniative to do the investigation, the law enforcement , and uphold the law without being asked by the OPM to do what is in fact expected of him and the Force he commands?

C.Camenzuli

Sep 23rd 2008, 19:56

@ Andrew Gatt.
Are we living in the same world or not. A negative attitude, more over anything which is disgusting, being held in the morning, afternoon or evening, being made by a member or non member STILL remains an act to condemn.
If we have people around ready to made excuses instead of condemnations than lets have more these video clips.

cc

Victor Battistino

Sep 23rd 2008, 19:19

Although I heartly disagree with uncontrolled and illegal hunting, I would appreciate any foreigner posting footage of illegal hunting in their country and why not ................even abortions, acts of euthansia etc from their 'legal clinics'.

Malta is not only this irresponsible bird hunting. Malta is much more and more........Illegality should be restrained, however,what about fox hunting in the UK and bull fighting in Spain etc etc

"....who is clean cast the first stone....." !

Andrew Gatt

Sep 23rd 2008, 18:44

@ C Camenzuli.......and read it too, please. This incident happened in the evening.......WHEN HUNTING IS BANNED TILL 30th SEPTEMBER. And before blabbing away, perhaps you might want to consider that:
1. This person may not even hold a hunting license
2. This person may not even hold a shotgun license
3. This person may not be an FKNK member
4. This person is a POACHER and couldn't care less what you, Cabs, Birlife, FKNK orwhoever say or do

What you should also DEFINITELY consider is that this person broke several laws and all this during a CLOSED SEASON, with ALE, Birdlife and their abolitionist allies CABS running all over the place. Catching, charging and punishing people like this is the only way forward.
Instead here go CABS again, demanding this and that, banning hunting here and there - when bans have already been a proven failure!

M Farrugia

Sep 23rd 2008, 18:40

I fully disagree with I Borg comment. CABS is there to bring to the attention of the Maltese public and the government illegal hunting and not to start an anti tourism campaign for malta.They are wearing green shirt to be distinguished from tourists. In the tourism industry the majority of the workers are not hunters. They expressed it on other occasions that they do not want to ruin our image.

C.Camenzuli

Sep 23rd 2008, 18:26

Just found the following:
Watch it. This is what FKNK has to comment on.
www.komitee.de/en/index.php?youtube_malta

cc

l borg

Sep 23rd 2008, 18:13

THANKS TO THE INTERNET EVEN PEOPLE AS FAR AS MELBOURNE AUSTRALIA AND CALGARY CANADA KNOW ABOUT THE KILLING OF PROTECTED BIRDS IN MALTA AND OF THE BLACK STORK
NOT ONLY IT IS PROTECTEDAND RARE BUT WAS SHOT WHEN NO HUNTING WAS ALLOWED AFTER 3 PM
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