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CABS seeks hunting ban as 'hundreds' of protected birds are shot

A captured Marsh Harrier.

Hundreds of protected bird of prey were shot by Maltese hunters in the course of only a few hours, the Committee Against Bird Slaughter (CABS), said in a statement. It said it will be asking the government to immediately ban hunting until raptor migration is over.

CABS is currently conducting bird migration monitoring operations on Malta with a team of 24 mostly German activists. It said that with a strong oncoming wind over the Mediterranean, more than 1,000 harriers, honey buzzards and falcons reached the Maltese islands yesterday afternoon to rest before continuing their journey to Africa.

Near Rabat a CABS team observed hunters opening fire at a group of marsh harriers yesterday evening, at least two of which were hit and fell to the ground. Subsequently the team filmed the hunter picking up the birds and taking to his heels. Previously hunters near the Blue Grotto had literally torn a Kestrel to pieces with six shots before the eyes of the CABS observers. Later at 11 p.m., at a harrier roost south of Xemxija, team members witnessed a group of hunters firing a number of shots and subsequently searching the area with the use of headlamps and torches. At Buskett, an important roost area, observers recorded the arrival of at least 500 Honey Buzzards, 200 Marsh Harriers, some 90 Hobbys as well as dozens of other birds including Osprey, Kestrel and Lesser Kestrel.

Thanks to the presence of numerous police officers and ornithologists the situation remained relatively quiet.

"Sadly this proved to be the calm before the storm" said CABS general secretary Alexander Heyd.

"his morning, on the edge of the FKNK game reserve near Mizieb, where some 120 Marsh Harriers had gone to roost the previous evening there was a real shooting match, involving some 40 hunters," CABS said.

"This began shortly after 5:30 a.m. As soon as a raptor took to the air it was shot at."

"We counted at least 150 shots and saw at least six birds fall to the ground. A further 15 birds were hit but continued their flight," Mr Heyd said.

Another team were deployed to the south of the Fiddien Reservoir where 20-30 Marsh Harriers landed at dusk. Despite the presence of CABS birds leaving the roost came under fire from all sides.

"I was amazed at the audacity and brutality with which the flock was almost completely wiped out," bird guard Shai Agmon said.

CABS also reported that two shot and injured Honey Buzzards were delivered to the International Animal Rescue rehabilitation centre, with whom the German conservationists work hand in hand, during the past 18 hours. Their chances of recovery were slight.

"These observations are only the tip of the iceberg. We estimate that more than a hundred protected birds, some of them extremely rare species, have been killed yesterday and today," David Conlin, a CABS member from Wales said.

Mr Heyd said that the continuing assertions by the hunting federation FKNK that the poachers are a handful of black sheep has been empty words all along.

"Our data lead us to a completely different conclusion, namely that the majority of hunters participate in illegal hunting."

CABS said that it would be asking the government to put an immediate ban on hunting this season until raptor migration was over. The government should also consider declaring the FKNK wooded game reserve at Mizieb, and other important roost places, as restricted areas for hunters and subsequently designated bird protection areas.

A submission to the Environment Ministry, as well as a report on illegal hunting for the Environment Directorate of the European Commission, was being prepared, CABS said.

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Jonathan Beacom (on 8/10/08)
@ B. Demanuele
I would like to clarify that I am NOT British but Maltese (of Irish descent) , born and raised here and speak Maltese.
I think the hunters told us to 'Go back to England' because they think that it is foreigners who are against illegal hunting and since I don't look 'typically Maltese' (does anyone here) they assumed we were English.
I disagree with your comment about retiring here and contributing to Malta's economy being a 'big mistake'. - Malta is one of the best places to live for a million reasons, and you are right in saying that the Maltese and Gozitans are nice people.
These 'hunters' are a VERY small minority who think that they can impose their will on the majority of us nature-loving Maltese.
The people of Malta (by their very nature non-confrontational) have been very patient with these people who have denied us and our families the right to enjoy our countryside for decades.
The people are finally saying ENOUGH ! - And I firmly believe that the authorities are waking up and that within a very short time illegal hunting will be a thing of the past.
Fingers crossed!!
B. Demanuele (on 30/9/08)
Jonathan Beacom@ i verymuch sympathize with you my fellow country man, we are British too retired here in Malta, a big misatake perhaps bringing all our capital to add to the countries' economy, like you when we suggest something to your comment, we only get abuse and no civil reply. Well thats the thanks we get. This doesn.t happen in other countries only in Malta and perhaps maybe in Gozo only the difference is the Gozitan are really nice people and MORE civilized then the Maltese- Any Nasty Feedbacks most welcome! Thankyou verymuch.
Kenneth Cassar (on 25/9/08)
@ Sylvana Zarb Darmanin:

I have a right to doubt. When the evidence is provided I accept it. Now I know that Jeremy J Camilleri made a mistake. Big deal.

However I will not apologise for something someone else said.
Jonathan Beacom (on 24/9/08)
@ ALL PRO HUNTING CONTRIBUTORS
I witnessed HUNDREDS of birds killed in the valley between Zebbug / Ghasri in Gozo 3 years ago!
I was in a farmhouse on the cliff edge in Zebbug with friends celebrating a birthday when a large flock of very large black birds (DEFINITELY NOT turtle doves!) descended into the valley.
All hell broke loose ! - shots were fired from every corner of the valley and Gozitan neighbours, were actually running out half dressed with their shotguns to get a piece of the action.
These birds were systematically blown out of the sky ! A few managed to land in trees below us but a truck and three men descended with guns and they shot them right off the branches not more than 50 Meters away !
We could not contain our emotions the more boisterous of us shouted abuse at these ' POT BELLIED RAMBOS'
They told us to "F** Off and Go back to ENGLAND??!!!"
Loïc Le Brun (on 22/9/08)
I sometimes wonder what is passing through the mind of some hunters? They should be well aware that there is "a Damocles spade" above their head and instead of doing their best to act according to the Maltese Law, some of them, do exactly the opposite. They must be suicidal!

Not being a hunter myself, I know quite some of them throughout Europe and I have to say that they are abiding to the Law. They even are helping the environment authorities by suppressing pests or overcrowding population of some animals when necessary.

There should be a place for real, serious, law abiding hunters here in Malta.

Regarding the others, they should be banned and not being allowed to slaughter what is flying anymore as they tarnish the reputation of the whole corporation.
Jeremy J Camilleri (on 22/9/08)
Sylvana, he was fined for illegalities...perhaps you should take off your blinkers and read what I have said, and I quote


'DOesn't a high ranking official within the Hunter's federation fined for illegalities say it all?'

Sylvana Zarb Darmanin (on 22/9/08)
Mr. Cassar, I AM FED UP WITH YOURS PERSISTENT DOUBTS ON WHAT I WRITE! THIS TIME, I FEEL I DESERVE AN APOLOGY FROM YOU!!!!!!

YOU are WRONG!!!!!! Mr. Jeremy J. Camilleri did write what I said. Maybe, you were having a nap and conveniently did not see his comment. His comment has since been censored. You can always check it out with the Editor. A TRUE GENTLEMAN WOULD INDEED APOLOGISE FOR SUCH AN FOUNDLESS ACCUSATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
l borg (on 22/9/08)
TO MR VICTOR SALIBA
thank you for those sites
i saved them all
however as a citenzen of malta have rights and hobbies and my main hobby is watching birds of prey fly as god created them to do
so any hunter that kills birds of prey and other protected birds is taking away my rights
what happens in other countries is also wrong but as always maltese hunters proved to be the worst of the worst
Kenneth Cassar (on 22/9/08)
@ Sylvana Zarb Darmanin:

Jeremy J. Camilleri did not say that Mr. Lino Farrugia was convicted of illegal trapping.

Lino Farrugia "was found guilty of having encouraged or assisted another person to violate a police order to stop the trapping of birds" - a criminal offense.
A Mizzi (on 22/9/08)
I am all for sustainable hunting and hunting within the parameters of the law and against the killing of protected species. What's happening on both sides of the fence is shameful. On the one hand there's a minority of so called hunters that, either out of percieved vengeance for their suffering as a result of orchestrated lies and broken promises or out of sheer ignorance are needlessly gunning protected birds. On the other hand there's a systematic and organised force that sensationalises every incident. With the press on their side and internet at everyone's fingertips it's easy for them to win over public sentiment by exaggerating and lying, preying on even those that don't have an understanding about what is truly going on.
If the law-abiding hunter is to stand a chance, and assuming that the FKNK is on the side of the bona-fide kaccatur, then it must become proactive.
It must condemn these killings, pronounce itself in favour of stiffer penalties to weed out the law-breakers and it must join forces with BL and deploy its people on the field, armed with cameras to dispel any untruths and to show that it is really has sustainable hunting at heart.
francesca vincenti (on 22/9/08)
I'm not going to judge the few decent law-abiding hunters who do not target protected species, however there are far many more hunters who don't give a toss about anyone or anything but the number of indiscriminate 'kills' they make in a day. So dear policing authorities, spare us the excuses of limited enforcement resources to patrol areas from now on. Can the AFM ground units assist? Or perhaps the Hunting Association should take action & responsibility to support their claim that members are actually law-abiding citizens by going out there themselves & rounding up the trigger happy idiots!

Failing that & better still, ban the entire hunting season for good & send all offenders on a reality check to some remote war-stricken land. Let them shoot to their hearts content in order to defend themselves from the real enemy out there, not a tired thirsty migrating bird. Sorry folks, but I'm up to my nose with gunshots and birds falling out of the sky. I have a right to practice my traditional hobby too - LIVE bird watching.
C Mallia (on 22/9/08)
Fed up, fed up, fed up and fed up of hearing how many protected birds are killed from the many poachers roaming our countryside. Every every year the same story. Every year we hear the hunters saying that not everyone is to be put in one basket and yet protected birds get merciless butchered.

Dear Prime Minister, Minister of the Environment, who promised so much about making more progress in the environment that you chose it to be under your direct supervision, please act now. Show all law-abiding citizens that you mean business.
Mark Gatt (on 22/9/08)
Have, either the CABS or Birdlife, managed to take photos or videos of these irresponsible 'hunters'? If so, why didn't they call on the police immediately and give them the photos/videos. It is useless writing in the media without producing evidence. I am sure that CABS/Birdlife have cameras..use them, and stop all this once and for all.

It is not fair on the law abiding hunters (who are in the majority, unlike most of the readers think), and all the people CABS/Birdlife are fooling by preparing these reports, making it look like that all hunters are breaking the law.
Vanessa Pace (on 22/9/08)
Don't just close the season pronto though .... I suggest the calling in of every single firearm that is licenced for this so called sport for 'safekeeping' with the police, ... then the unlicenced firearms being used will slowly emerge.
Dave Alan Caruana (on 22/9/08)
the 'majority' of law abiding hunters would do well to immediately report any abuses they
see, as their law breaking brethren are threatening their hobby at this point ..
This still does not cancel the validity of reports by other bodies of course.
It's high time the hunters suggested forms of autoregulation, seeing that they continually
deny illegal hunting takes place. New laws - like a permanent hunting band and a hefty fine
on being observed shooting at a protected bird - would protect the law abiding hunters
from the gung-ho rest.
Kenneth Cassar (on 22/9/08)
@ A Camilleri:

You wrote: "No I don't know if the people writing here are the ones responsible, but I'm sure some of these people who are against hunters are the ones who leave a mess in the countryside behind them. Why? Because we hunters never leave a mess if we want to catch a dove".

I guess that you don't see spent cartridges as litter then. My point is that usually you don't know who leaves a mess in the countryside, so in this case, it's silly to point fingers.
Michael Vella (on 22/9/08)
@ F Rasmin

Thanks for your comments, i would love to know where you are from before calling our country disgusting. Have you ever been here? Have you ever read anything about the country other than this article? How do you pass a judgement about a country based on an internal debate such as this. I am not racist and do not tolerate it, however neither do i accept anyone calling my country disgusting without justification, so please enlighten us on your comment.

Finally, may i remind you that MALTA (a little dot on the map) most probably has much more history than any country you are from, so please refrain from using stupid comments. If you want to call a nation disgusting, do NOT base your facts on the actions of a few idiots, as i am sure you have many more of these in your own country.
Eric Camilleri (on 22/9/08)


To E.Camilleri
Since you are so vociferous about this hunting issue and not everybody (including every E.Camilleri on the island) shares your demand for blanket collective punishment, then at least sign in your full name. I Eric Camilleri for one do not agree with you !
Sylvana Zar Darmanin (on 21/9/08)
Mr. Jeremy J. Camilleri, I urge YOU to read it again. Mr. Lino Farrugia was NEVER convicted of ILLEGAL TRAPPING! You are not being truthful.
E. Azzopardi (on 21/9/08)
There is a very nice song with a good beat called ÓPEN YOUR MIND'
Really, I am requesting all disc jockeys to please play this song frequently during the whole period of the hunting season!!!! Let us start as from tomorrow. Who knows??!!
Sylvana Zarb Darmanin (on 21/9/08)
Mr. R. Muscat, you are well aware that I am not a hunter (or a Baron) myself!! If you still intend on hiding your full identity in order to act childish, then I suggest you look for other sites.
J Brincat (on 21/9/08)
Do you out there,think that anyone that can make a difference ever read this?? :( Like politicians etc?(The guys we vote for?) I was out for lunch.A prominent politcian was there. With his family.And that is fine with me.But everyone was sending wine and drinks to his table.Hopefully not the same people complaining here.Being a Sunday, I hope after lunch,
he took his family for a walk in our countryside(What is left of it!) like maltese love to do! And he was able to show them some birds, hehe.....and trees. Natural stuff which is good for the soul after a week of work in concrete and dust.
Migrating birds belong to everyone.Not just for hunters.Do hunters imagine the pain? Where they brought up to believe that birds don't feel pain when shot? Our island is crucial for birds. It's like a haven on their way to Africa.Its a stop between Europe and Africa.(Like it was for humans during wars) The birds are mine too.I have my right to see them alive...and wish them well on their onward journey. Hoping to see them again in spring.
But....our Gov. budget...euro...wall street......u kullhadd jafeg!!!!!! And still, everyone is broke. :)
E Camilleri (on 21/9/08)
@Jeremy J Camilleri
Well done for reminding us about this article. It further convinces us (at least those who do not ignore facts) how widespread illegalities are by FKNK members. To have a senior official of FKNK hindering police duty is the last straw. Like trapping, hunting should be abolished forever!!
E Camilleri (on 21/9/08)
It is a shame for the whole of Malta that we still permit such atrocities against protected species. Instead of enjoying these magnificent creatures we leave them at the hands of immature hunters. It is impossible for the police to protect against illegal hunting when this practice is so widespread, unless of course the authorities assign one policeman with every hunter! Since obviously this cannot be done, then the hunters have left us with no other option but to close the hunting season forever.

If anyone is still skeptic about the rampant abuse by hunters, then one only needs to see FKNK’s attitude towards CABS. If hunters have nothing to fear, then they should not have reacted so negatively every time they learned that CABS was going to visit Malta!
J Brincat (on 21/9/08)
For those of you who haven't been lucky enough to go on a African Safari....you know what my experience was?I was soo in awe to see those beasts...birds flying freely in the sky. Birds of al sizes, colour., hundreds of them....magnificent!! My whole life changed after that experience.Tears were streaming down my face without my knowledge.I realized how small I am.Seeing nature....as it was created,as it was meant to be.The peacefulness it gives you.And we are one chain...humans...environment....all living things.It's a spiritual chain...It's how Mother Earth is meant to be.Humans are ruining all with their sheer arrogance.And pls Mr F.RAMIN......do not judge us.The majority here, love nature/animals etc. Is everything perfect in your country??I wonder where u r from.Hope your country is as democratic as mine.And you can air your opinion like us.But pls continue contributing. maybe you can give us positive criticism next time round. :)Maybe even visit these beautiful islands.
And I hope the Gov. wakes up. It has been sleeping for tooooo long on many problems. We voted for a Gov. incapable of taking decisions.Hunters..bus drivers...illegal boathouses...savages who litter wherever they are...fumes from cars...but quick to increase surcharge/tax etc
Don't shout too loud,you might wake them up.Shh!

Jeremy J Camilleri (on 21/9/08)
Sylvana Zarb darmanion, are you ignoring the facts on purpose?

Read it again will you...

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20080825/local/fknk-secretary-fined-over-kercem-incident/

Now if they want to sue me, well, they can go ahead...
Bernard J Schranz (on 21/9/08)
It's more than about time that this issue is dealt with seriously and closed. Hunters have proven time and time again that they are an undisciplined lot. Even if its a small minority amongst them that is causing this, the majority have not been able to bring them under control to their own benefit.

As such the government should (1) Ban any further importation of such guns (2) make hunting illegal in any way and form (3) collect and publicly destroy the guns currently held by hunters or else do something to the guns to ensure they can never be fired again (4) start rehabilitating the countryside for other uses such as trekking, camping, climbing, archaeology appreciation, flora and fauna studies, agro tourism etc. We can open up new niches in toursim if hunting is stopped altogether.

The public should also be educated to take care of the environment. Stiffer penalties are needed for those who spoil the environment with their littering.

With goodwill, education and discipline we can achieve a beautiful and unspoilt countryside for everyone's benefit.

The political parties should show their unity about this issue!!!
Wilfred L Camilleri (on 21/9/08)
If, as many hunters and the FKYK are claiming, these outrageous acts are being carried out by poachers and a "handful" of irresponsible hunters, why pray tell haven't they been reporting them to the authorities? They must know who they are yet they turn a blind eye. I think that contrary to what many hunters have suggested, the "handful" of irresponsible hunters is more like a large number of hunters! The only way to stop this slaughter is to ban hunting outright!
victor saliba (on 21/9/08)
@Mr. Fasool Rasmin
Please tell the rest of people like you to steer their boats to another destination and you will do us a very big favour.
Thirdly --- there are a lot of comments about the Maltese hunters ,I`m not going to say that they are good or bad, just have a look at other countries especially Germany and judge for yourselves. Here are some web-sites,www.komitee.de/en/index.php?raptors
www.komitee.de/en/index.php?henharriers
www.komitee.de/en/index.php?falconry
www.komitee.de/en/index.php?cormorants
www.komitee.de/en/index.php?deroghe2008

Thank You
J Pace (on 21/9/08)
This is absolutely disgusting!!! Absolutely!! No flying creature has got any chance of surviving against these blood thirsty hunters! And then you get comments like Mr. Lia's below trying to justify the act by covering it with a sob story of sensationalism. Give us all a break please, we all can read for ourselves without having mud slung in our eyes to try to cover the real issue at hand!!! What is the governement waiting for?? Hunters have proved time and time again how they do not give a hoot about the law, actually completely and totally disregard it!
Sylvana Zarb Darmanin (on 21/9/08)
Mr. T. Borg, I will continue championing the cause of the LAW-ABIDING HUNTERS. Sorry to disappoint you. Lying in order to justify your argument is degrading indeed. I NEVER and NEVER "defended these illegals". If you are to be taken seriously, I challenge you to substantiate your argument. Meanwhile, please bear with my comments!!
Sylvana Zarb Darmanin (on 21/9/08)
Dr ABC, you make me laugh!! But then I cannot expect any better from you, can I?

Mr.M. Vella, please enlighten me as to when I ever defended law-breakers, or quoted any statistics. Sorry, the 80% was quoted by an anti-hunting individual!! The documentation I hold assures hunters and trappers of the continuance of Spring Hunting and the enjoyment of their traditional pastime.

To all those that doubt that the countryside is littered, I confirm that this is indeed the truth. One has to clean up the garbage left behind by those who want to enjoy the countryside - even the private property!

Mr. G. Cassar, one can clearly see that you "never handled a shot or any other gun" because you wrote laughing stock!
R Muscat (on 21/9/08)
TOTAL BAN ON HUNTING PLEASE MR GONZI as you said the pendulum has now got to swing towards the environment.
Now before Miss Sylvana Zarb regales us with another of her diatribes and lectures on Maltese Idioms.
Miss Zarb if you are one of the rare breed of hunters who observes the law and does not shoot at protected species, I can think of a Maltese idiom that is rather apt "mal hazin jehel it tajjeb" or "tghid giet hekk".
I suggest that if you are so worried about regulating your past time maybe you should take up another hobby for example knitting. You will not be harming the environment and there are few regulations to knitting in the countryside.
Besides it is not very ladylike for a woman to be roaming the countryside terrorising little birds!!! LOL
Jeremy J Camilleri (on 21/9/08)
Lets solve this issue now. Lets all meet up, and go for a walk in the countryside....

SHall we observe illegal hunting...well...lets say I'm confident that we will...

DOesn't a high ranking official within the Hunter's federation fined for illegalities say it all?
joseph lia (on 21/9/08)
Incredible what one reads throughout this never ending comments list!
Bordering on the outrageous and sometimes insane comments, I was waiting for this public outburst.
Are the majority of LEGAL hunters abiding by the controversial Maltese law?.....YES
Is poaching still an issue?........YES
Do these CABS exxagerate and sensationalise?.......YES
Is FKNK doing its utmost, given its limited Government backing?......YES
Even if only ONE illegal shot was fired and only ONE protected bird was unfortunately downed
the same exxgerated 'baying' for bans and rude remarks towards the majority of law-abiding enthusiasts would have prevailed!
Why exxagerated, you say?
The hunting season has been officially opened since the 1st of September, 6 to 10 protected birds have been reported illegally shot down, maybe 10 to 20, so as to summarize proportionally the actual numbers, 40 to 60 'hunters' were witnessed illegally shooting, or 'groups' (as stated by CABS & Co), the word groups will in itself give a sensational meaning in this context!
Now the title of this report carries the word 'hundreds' (one must note)
Shall we say as well that one hundred hunters were observed poaching (to round up the sensational figures)......100 out of 16,000......what majority???!!!!

Michael Vella (on 21/9/08)
@ Kevin Zammit

I can mention many sports that do not involve KILLING the opposition. Swearing at someone is not lethal is it? Next time you see a bird, start swearing at it, it will make us all much happier than having you shoot it :) Funny you brought it up. On the same note, i never saw hunting included in the list of olympic sports. Why isn't there the hunting world cup?

With regards to legal hunting, i stated earlier i am in favour of this, however with people like YOU claiming to be 'legal' hunters, i am getting my serious reservations about it also. Maybe its about time you learn a lesson once and for all and realise that most of Malta are fed up with the attitude of hunters and their representatives, the FKNK! Stop coming up with excuses to defend the people that shoot protected species and you will see that public opinion will quickly shift in your favour.

Finally i see the questions i asked you earlier went unanswered. The silence speaks for itself!
J. Borg (on 21/9/08)
What a waste of resources and effort (protected birds, ALE, Malta Tourism Authority, embellishment works to attract tourists, potential EU fines, the Attorney General, pollution, possible vandalism......) not to mention having the countryside taken over throughout Autumn and Winter, just so that some hunters can eat a dove or two!

Just recently a life saving drug was being denied to patients 'just' because it was deemed too expensive.....can someone determine the aggregate cost of these doves that hunters (so egoistically I say) crave to eat!

Government has a responsibility to act in the common good, and override any pretentious expectations that are not worth their cost - conclusive action has been long overdue.
We are waiting.......
kevin zammit (on 21/9/08)
VER FUNNY useless waisting time trying to discuss with people that have no equal measures on different discussions.Try and mention ONE activity or sport activity or even politics that are clean from abuses.With your mentality you show me that you never go out of home. if you go to ta qali stadium for example you hear swearing,throwing things (not always)and even fighting so we close the stadium or what?and i can keep mentioning on everything.And by the way do you think that by banning hunting the problem is going to be solved if so you are mistaken.Because irresponsible people remains the same ignoring laws .That is why i am writing to try and show you that many hunters are RESPONSIBLE. It's time for you to try and comment on other things like driving and talking on mobile, sex offenders,drug pushers and so on because these are harming HUMAN BEINGS so for me and for many responsible hunters should always remain the right to hunt like other europeans do or you are trying to quote that hunting should be banned ONLY in Malta?
D. MANGION (on 21/9/08)
@ Kevin Zammit,
You are right. With today's status quo situation, the hunters will still continue with the rampage. One solution is to elect Alternattiva Demokratika to parliament, as it is the ONLY party who has the political will to do something about the issue of hunting.
kev in zammit (on 21/9/08)
all of you are commenting on half truth.did i mention that i agree with illegal hunting?did i mention that i or we want confrontation?and first of all the only people that want to discuss hunting seriously are the same hunters under federation(FKNK) but surprisingly we always find closed doors.do you know how many times the FKNK invited members of goverment to work together but the brave goverment have no time. do you believe that? and after all for those of you that doesn't know the CABS are the people that want confrontation because that's wath they asked their volunteers for. FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT CONFRONTATION that is wath they asked for.so please stay out of it before you know the WHOLE story then you are welcomed to discuss but only on the truth
R.Gatt (on 21/9/08)
They've been given too much freedom to do as they please for decades past.
No matter how many restrictions the local government imposes on them -
You can't beat the Huntards.
The Huntards always win.

The only way to beat a Huntard is to impose high jail terms (no clemency) and catch him in the act.

Once he's out (preferably some 3 to 5 years later), simply rinse and repeat.
Lawrence Camilleri (on 21/9/08)
Wake up Mr Govt. Who governs here? Either abolish hunting or the hunting laws.
G. Grech (on 21/9/08)
@ Ch Camenzuli

Check your facts before commenting! If you want to make a comment on the hunters forum you just need to apply for a login name and password. You do not need to be an FKNK member to apply. And just for your information, comments are uploaded real time unlike Birdlife's guest book which filters all comments and only posts comments that are against hunting!
M. Galea (on 21/9/08)
Vote AD get AD
Vote MLP get MLP
and...
Vote PN get PN (of course!)
Jonathan Beacom (on 21/9/08)
@James A. Tyrrell
Re: "Can I suggest that you try photographing these people in future and passing the photos onto the relevant authorities"
James, It is not that easy to get any incriminating evidence through a still photo for various reasons namely the distance between hunter & prey is too great to include both in one shot and if you did the hunter (and bird) would not be very recognizable. And any sequence stills would easily be dismissed as fabricated. It is obvious that most hunters know this !
@ Kevin Zammit
It doesn't surprise me that you spend the time you are not hunting - READING COMICS !!
You better buy a large stock of COMICS because hunting will soon BANNED FOREVER ! HA HA HA To YOU TOO !!
@ Gerard Cassar
What is a "PROFESSIONAL HUNTER"? - I didn't know we had any !!
Fasool Rasmin (on 21/9/08)
I hope that the world knows where Malta is on a map so that we know how to avoid the place as it seems to be full of savages! Your country is a disgrace.
Zap Branagan (on 20/9/08)
So, it's time for me to weigh in on this discussion.

Killing these fine harriers, buzzards, falcons, etc., is shameful. But I'm not against people wanting to practice shooting... so I've got an idea.

Why don't hunters breed pigeons? Then they can set them free and shoot them? They could even start by shooting some of the pigeons frequenting those restaurants in Republic Street?

That way some we could solve two problems at once. Less pigeon shit all over the place, and placated hunters...
Comments please...
Michael Vella (on 20/9/08)
Well said T. Borg
Joe Camilleri (on 20/9/08)
" Hundreds of protected bird of prey were shot by Maltese hunters in the course of only a few hours ", how come that birdlife malta never show any video footage about these shootings on their website but instead only the photo of just one bird??
This lie is repeating itself every year. Everybody remembers this same statment, last year in may, and nobody was arrainged in court.
They are using the same tactics again so that the government will give in to CABS' pressure and close this hunting season.
The truth is that these shootings are rare and everybody knows, including birdlife and the government that the FKNK is always against any illegalities
James A. Tyrrell (on 20/9/08)
@ kevin zammit. I certainly haven’t been brainwashed by anyone and if you follow any of my letters you will see that I write about a lot of illegal activities. A spokesperson like you Kevin can only hasten the demise of hunting in Malta. When the time comes and hunting is banned all those hunters who have been abiding by the law won’t be blaming Birdlife or CABS; they will be blaming people like you who have ruined it for everyone.

In fact Kevin I think I’m starting to see through you. I don’t think you are pro hunting at all, I think you are 100% against hunting and are making these comments to give hunting an even worse name than it already has. Well done mate. Keep it up.
Jeremy J Camilleri (on 20/9/08)
Kevin Zammit is just the sort of person I was referring to earlier..the hunter who is ruining everything for other hunters.

Kevin, you'll never stop hunting no matter what?

Do you hunt illegaly? Will you carry on hunting if the promises are broken?
Chris Finch (on 20/9/08)
@ Kevin Zammit
Were you one of the 'hunters' out shooting protected species?
Does this make you feel more of a man?
@ Any hunter federation in Malta, FKNK or St pawl Tat Targa, or whoever Kevin belongs to:
He has admitted breaking the law. Are you going to suspend his membership or condemn his actions. If not you are complicit in his crimes.
Ch.Camenzuli (on 20/9/08)
I have already mentioned to visit the Forum in FKNK website namely;www.huntinginmalta.org.mt. There are xenophobic remarks in one of the fora. Can the local Police take action. Earlier it seems that there were other messages which were deleted but of which the police can still retrieve from server.
Do take action once and for all.
Michael Vella (on 20/9/08)
@ Kevin Zammit

So you are another 'innocent' hunter that never killed a protected species? Your previous comment shows your attitude towards the slaughter of these birds and even if the remote possibility that you indeed never did kill a protected bird were true, your previous comment put you in the same basket as your fellow hunters that do so. As for Parrots, thank God they don't fly over our island or they would be shot too. Finally, the audacity you have to call people brainwashed for standing up against the slaughter of protected birds is laughable. Read you own comments and you will see who is brainwashed. Maybe next hunting season you should out down your gun and go educate yourself a little.

So answer this question Mr. Zammit, are you in favour or against illegal hunting? If as i suspect, you will predictably reply that you are against it, then why are you defending people that are doing this with comments like your first one?
Jason Borg (on 20/9/08)
A fine example of some hunters` mentality:
http://forum.huntinginmalta.org.mt//YaBB.pl?num=1221933735
Joseph Micallef (on 20/9/08)
@Kevin Zammit
Its because hunters are people like you who confront others by saying things like "I already told you YOU ARE WASTING TIME because we are still going to hunt no matter how much you lie so please try to find another satisfying hobby" that people want hunting to end. Such arguments are brought by people who in fact have no arguments left. Dog and animal fighting is bad - but that does not mean that illegal hunting is good. I am also sure that less dogs die from dog fighting (even if its illegal and totally wrong) than from your so called "hunting"! After all ALL dog fighting is illegal while you have a concession to hunt certain species - but you fail to abide by the rules!
T.Borg (on 20/9/08)
@Kevin Zammit..........If you want to help hunting I would suggest that you get some advice before posting.....you are great PR about how a mature hunter should discuss the matter. And no; nobody said that you are breaking the law.
kevin zammit (on 20/9/08)
@ michael vella Did i mention that i break the law? please don't comment on issues that you haven't got any idea. i already told someone else that you are doing like PARROTS. no more no less
kevin zammit (on 20/9/08)
@James A Tyrell. why did you not include yourself?YOU ARE BRAINWASHED AS WELL MY FRIEND why people never comment about dog or animal fighting?isn't it worse?BUT since birdlife malta started BRAINWASHING all of you are doing exactly like parrots.all of you are writing about legal hunting and not writing about ILLEGAL activities.I already told you YOU ARE WASTING TIME because we are still going to hunt no matter how much you lie so please try to find another satisfying hobby
T.Borg (on 20/9/08)
@Ms S.Zarb Darmanin: Why do you keep defending the indefensible? Can you please just for your sake understand that the rogue hunters within your ranks are shooting ALL OF YOU in the foot? You keep on harping about legitimate hunters but in the official hunting websites, you find hatred, vitriol, and basically 'macho' statements. I fail to understand why you keep defending these illegals..And please please don't tell me that you are against all illegal hunters when the most prominent of Hunting Associations fail to regulate and in fact incite their members to rally against the 'foreign spies' who have 'invaded' our shores. Funny how all the thousands of 'legal' hunters' fail to report one single 'illegal hunter'? Please don't give me the usual run of the mill reply that the CABS, ALE and the normal John Doe are there just to persecute the poor poor hunter. If all of the hunters were legal, you would have nothing to fear .I fail to see why you don't tell your associations to deal with the 'hunters' who are the real cause of your downfall.Stop blaming Tom, Dick and Harry and deal with your 'members'!!!
Joseph Micallef (on 20/9/08)
@A. Camilleri
Certainly hunters leave a mess behind them. A much worse mess than any people having a picnic....dead birds!
MARK MIFSUD BONNICI (on 20/9/08)
Words written in 2001 by DAVID CONLIN from PROACT relevant to the heading :
"CABS seeks hunting ban as 'hundreds' of protected birds are shot"

"Proact Malta Stage II has yet to be launched. Don't forget that our immediate priority must be the birds now in OUR breeding grounds which will have to run the gauntlet of fire in the Autumn. Keep the pressure up RELENTLESSLY. The hunters and their lackeys won't give up without a (dirty) fight - that's for sure"

DAVID CONLIN is a life member of BIRDLIFE MALTA, CABS and the RSPB. The orchestrator of Raptor Camps, (a cover up for the intended ban on hunting in Malta.)

Indeed there are illegalities, they are shameful acts which should not go unpunished. The 2year old September afternoon hunting ban was intended to make the apprehending of these few criminals easier. The police are at the complete disposal of these "protectionists". Yet so far we have not read about arrests .that justify the hundreds of birds reported shot

The fact that CABS are intent on banning hunting makes their reports to say the least dubious. They can only be considered as part of the "STAGE II" plan,


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Steven Marks (on 20/9/08)
@ A Camilleri. With all due respect, you seem to have lost your grip on reality..........so it's not hunters that litter the countryside with spent shot gun cartriages (or are you going to blame that one on Birdlife, too)? Furthermore, because law breaking takes place in the UK, it doesn't mean it's justified in Malta. Ever heard the phrase "two wrongs don't make a right"?????? Unfortunately A. Camilleri subscribes to the usual points of view spouted by "poor, abused" hunters in Malta. As for Kevin Zammit....it doesn't make your opinion correct all because you write with capital letters.
J. Borg (on 20/9/08)
@ Nazzareno Dimech
So hunters are shooting at protected birds because there are no turtle doves? Weren't hunters claiming that they only hunt to eat their catch?
And obviously you are sure that if ever Spring hunting is allowed - hunters will refrain from blasting protected birds.....unfortuantely we know better.
Michael Vella (on 20/9/08)
@ Kevin Zammit

Keep breaking the law and we will see who has the last laugh when the season is closed because of the inexcusible attitude of people like you.
Remember one thing, if hunters break their promises, nobody can expect the government to keep their promises.
nazzareno dimech (on 20/9/08)
could the cabs or birdlife members tell us how many turtledoves and quail they saw this season because the eu says that this season is an alternetive to spring hunting , but the cabs are saying that only protected spieces are passing over malta and I agree one hundred percent so I recomend to the goverment ( I have a right to recommend or only the cabs can recommend what the goverment do ? ) to open the spring season again because at that time there will be birds whitch you can legaly shoot at
B Saint (on 20/9/08)
where is the law enforcement in this country? my suspciion we created laws in malta to pretend to be eiuropean and join the club but when it comes to enforcement...... much to be desired..... come on authorities get ur acts together and start enforcing the laws u did urselfs
James A. Tyrrell (on 20/9/08)
Well folks there you have it. According to Kevin Zammit you are all brainwashed and you are providing him with much needed amusement. Wouldn’t it be great if such people were banned forever from slaughtering God’s creatures in the name of fun?
Ch.Camenzuli (on 20/9/08)
If anyone of you gives a look to what's written in the Forum at www.huntinginmalta.org.mt will have an idea of what type of people this country is made of. These 'hunters' wish and want to rule the world and instigating others to ' morru fil-website tat-times u iktbu bil-qawwa favur il-kacca'. Ironically if one tries to enter a debate in their forum, it is not accessible as you need to be their member......there is one issue this country is to tackle.How to abolish bird shooting once and for all. Lets do our utmost to start publishing photos of these guys in action. I would suggest each and everyone to visit their Forum. Than you all know what are the ethics of these hunters. And the more they instigate the bigger their blunder will be.
Mark Sciberras (on 20/9/08)
Stop the hunting season. I personally saw the decimation of a flock of marsh harriers a year ago in gozo and it is a sight I do not wish to see again - I was on the main road leading to Ramla, and it was broad daylight. It is not true that only a few are breaking the law -most hunters are breaking the law.
Gerard Cassar (on 20/9/08)
It cannot be proved that hunters aim at forbiden targets. The shot they take spreads and by so doing it could hit any bird flying in the vicinity. The culprits are untrained hunters not professional ones. Only with time they become professionals. So while training they are liable to make mistakes. But they cannot become professionals unless they train and so they hit illegal targets rather than legal ones. A comedy of errors!
To avoid such mistakes I never handled a shot or any other gun.
K Xuereb (on 20/9/08)
Oh no!

I saw those marsh harriers on Fri. Such beautiful birds.
A. Spiteri (on 20/9/08)
Many of this replays contain the phrase:

"It is about time that the government does something about the issue"

This is the most heard sentence in Malta for many years. Guess what? The government in Malta does not do anything about any issue what so ever. They are just there waiting for MEPA, the transport, the pollution, the cost of living, the dry docks, the hunting, the registration tax and many many many more issues to get solve by who knows who.... a shame.
Michael Vella (on 20/9/08)
@ A Camilleri

I am glad to hear that you are a licensed hunther and that you claim respect the law. Most hunters say this, but yet there are many that do the very opposite. I am not saying that you are a case in question but i am sure you will agree that this is true.

Your claim that they upload images of birds from their freezer speaks for itself, i will let others judge your comment. But at least this shows that whilst you might be a law abiding hunter, you are coming up with the same ludicrous excuses that the FKNK use. Should the hunting season be closed, i am sorry but you deserve it.

As for picnics etc, i would like to see where you got this info from. Again, another unfounded comment which others can judge for themselves.

Finally whether one recognises a bird or not is irrelevant. A protected bird is a protected bird whether I can recognise it or not. Whatever next, condone the killing of whales simply because i don't know what the different species look like?
Stefan Sammut (on 20/9/08)
@ A Camilleri.
Unfortunately Malta we do not have a lot of hunters which obey the law and do not shot on protected birds.
I do not know why, you poeple cannot enjoy the nature without having the shotgun in hands?!
Lately I was talking to hunter and he admitted on shoting on protecting birds since.... This was his statement.
"Hekk ma nisparalux jien, inizlu haddiehor!" This is a clear example why you people need more education and respect towards these creatures and who admires them!
kevin zammit (on 20/9/08)
KEEP WRITING BRAINWASHED MALTESE CITIZENS. I AM A HUNTER AND PROUD OF IT AND TO RELAX I ENJOY TO READ YOUR COMMENTS INSTEAD OF COMICS..KEEP GOING AND KEEP IT UP.IT'S USELESS. WE ARE STILL GOING TO HUNT AS WE WERE PROMISED. KEEP DREAMING HA- HA-HA...................................................
J Oatmon (on 20/9/08)
This is not 'hunting' this is simply 'bird killing' - it has no place in a tiny island like Malta.

The bird killers are bringing shame on Malta with there blatant disregard for the law and their refusal to admit some bird killers are acting illegally.

The bird killing issue can be banned completely, by getting all the political parties to agree to act together. That way the bird killers votes cannot be used as a bargaining chip - "either you permit us to kill birds or you will lose our vote" will no longer work.
A. Camilleri (on 20/9/08)
@ Kenneth Cassar

No I don't know if the people writing here are the ones responsible, but I'm sure some of these people who are against hunters are the ones who leave a mess in the countryside behind them. Why? Because we hunters never leave a mess if we want to catch a dove.

And yes, once i knew the people who left the mess behind them and reported them. But what happened? We hunters still had to clean up everything since no one was sent to clean things up.

I love my country, I am against illegalities but please banning hunting is upsurd. Why other countries can hunt and us no? There are millions of illegalities in EU but since they have big lands everything is concealed. Check out on the internet how many birds of prey die because of poison and illegal traps - in the UK!
mario nicholas pace (on 20/9/08)

Shame on both the government and the opposition for not speaking on these atrocities . I guess as usual birds do not have voting capacity, but be assured that we vote and when the time comes we will see who speaks about these things .
James A. Tyrrell (on 20/9/08)
@l Galea. How long do you think Malta would survive without tourists? Maybe you could make up the shortfall in the economy by buying more shotgun cartridges! The only ones holding the Maltese Government to ransom are the hunters and that’s only because the Government is spineless.

@ George Casha, excellent idea George. If these people cannot behave in a civilised way then their guns should be permanently confiscated.

@ Jonathan Beacom, As a fellow photographer you will be well aware of the phrase a photo says 1000 words. Can I suggest that you try photographing these people in future and passing the photos onto the relevant authorities. I’ve seen such things myself on Gozo but either didn’t have my camera or I just had my compact instead of the DSLR.

As for the majority of Maltese being in favour of hunting can I suggest a referendum? If the majority is indeed in favour of hunting it will end the debate. If on the other hand the majority is against it hunting should be banned forever. What do you say hunters, will you put your money where your mouths are?
Andrew Harding (on 20/9/08)
These people are not "hunters" in the true sense of the word, shame on you Malta for allowing this to continue.
Kenneth Cassar (on 20/9/08)
@ A Camilleri:

"we hunters always have to collect rubbish from people who do BBQs and Picnics in the countryside and leave a whole mess.....and guess what......then they write against hunting!".

Are you saying that the people who write against hunting leave a mess in the countryside? How do you know this? And if you know of someone who does, why don't you report him to the police?
godfrey pisani (on 20/9/08)
iwas out at a shooting range today from 11pm til 5pm and did not see 1 bird of prey ,now i wonder were these 100's of birds were being shot , ,,,,,,
A. Camilleri (on 20/9/08)
@ Michael Vella

mr michael, I am licenced to hunt like all the europeans are. I am Maltese like you are and I accept the local authorities to monitor the country side.

And were are the hundreds of protected species shot? I go hunting everyday in key sites and i never ever heard a hundred of shots ahseb u ara kem hundreds of protected birds are killed! Why don't they prove it? Always uploading images from their freezer .

Mr Vella, we love nature more then you do, we hunters always have to collect rubbish from people who do BBQs and Picnics in the countryside and leave a whole mess.....and guess what......then they write against hunting! come on.

And another point Mr Vella, do you recognize a honey buzzard, from a harrier? A greenfinch from a linnet? A sisken from a serin? Don't tell me you do, because I've been hunting and trapping from 7yrs in order to recognize them even from hundreds of metres away! So for you everythin is the same!
Jeremy J Camilleri (on 20/9/08)
I am against hunting in all forms, however, I believe that Maltese hunters have a right to practise this well...lets call it practise...

I always felt that just because I am against hunting, that never meant that it should be banned.

Now, with the hunter's continually shooting themselves in the foot, even to the point of having a high ranking official fined for illegal trapping(sylvia Zarb Darmanin was too busy counting fingers to note), I shall just sit back and enjoy the music.

After all the Bird life, and the old MOS campaignsproved fruitless, it seems that the hunter's are going to manage thier destruction all by themselves. THANKS.

I just pity the hunters' who are law abiding. These law breakers are responsible for your bad reputation, and shall be responsible for a total ban soon.

R Buttigieg. ARe you serious?..that was what A borg Cardona was saying..that the majority are NOt in favour of hunting! My oh my..how embarrasing...ABC...you are personally responsible for the world's destruction*sigh*
Michael Vella (on 20/9/08)
@ A Camilleri

I would much rather have them roam our country side than you. So please CABS & ALE keep up the good work. The authorities should provide the ALE with more resources to bring the culprits of these CRIMES to justice. The birds or not your but they are for us ALL to enjoy, and that includes other Europeans not only Maltese. After all, contrary to what you might think we do not live in a bubble and thank God we are not an isolated state!
Anthony Formosa (on 20/9/08)
Without being more sarcastic than the CABS or BLM can they estimate the costs of these birds on the black market, I'm sure that they cost more than a Zakak, or a Dizzu, and once at it, can they tell us who is willing to buy such birds if not hunters who I'm sure only few can afford to pay thousands of euros.
Mario Azzopardi (on 20/9/08)
it is always the same when the hunting season begins we hear of massacares and all i see
is one bird. haha what a laugh.
A. Camilleri (on 20/9/08)
CABS GO BACK TO GERMANY! WE DONT NEED YOU
Michael Vella (on 20/9/08)
@ Ms Zarb Darmanin

Your comments amuse me, please keep them coming. As for the documents you have, i am sure they do not mention that it is ok for a few to keep shooting protected species of birds to stuff and put on their mantlepiece at home. Nor does it condone such actions and nor does it state that hunters are immune from punishment because of the actions of the 'few' hunters that persist on killing these protected birds. As for the majority of maltese being in favour of hunting, i would love to know where you got this information. Did you perform a scientific survey and attach it to your prized document? Maybe you are dreamig after all! Sometimes as the english saying goes...silence is golden! Now let me guess what you reply to this will be, no doubt you will ask me to keep to the above saying lol
R. Buttigieg (on 20/9/08)
@Andrew Borg Cardona
Speak for yourself. Most of the Maltese DO NOT WANT HUNTING. FKNK & Hunters think that since they are round about 6000, they can declare themselves as "The Majority".

Go home and leave these birds alone. YOU ARE AIDING IN THE DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD.
Andrew Borg-Cardona (on 20/9/08)
Ms Zarb Darmanin - the only insult here is yours to our intelligence. Now no doubt you're reply saying that for some reason known only to you, we all have it in for you and your like. Oh well, carry on deluding yourself, like you delude yourself that the vast majority of Maltese want anything other than a ban on hunting.
Michael Vella (on 20/9/08)
@ Patrick Mifsud

Shall we ask them to send you a couple of protected birds riddled with bullets home, so you might believe what they are saying?
Robert Caruana (on 20/9/08)
It is not easy to catch these law breakers - first of all it only the police who can apprehend illegal hunters. CABS observe, and report but obviosly they cannot apprehend anybody. As everybody knows the ALE is very understaffed, they can only be in so many places at agiven time and despite all their good intentions they are limited in what they can do.

Secondly, it is not at all easy to identify hunters, particularly when early before dawn, in a wooded area and when there are many hunters around. You can hear a barrage of shots and can easily see a bird being gunned down or injured and therefore witness an illegal act but how easy is it to pin point the person/s who have shot the birds?

You can report that poaching is taking place. But to prosecute you need to either catch the poacher red handed or catch him in possession of a protected bird. That is why it is easy to witness illegalities, particularly where large easily visible birds are involved, but it is not so easy to prosecute successfully.
Roderick Chetcuti (on 20/9/08)
Hunters want respect but they dont respect. What are the authorities waiting for? They proved that they are a whole lot of cowboys and so drastic actions should be taken. What about a referendum? Hunting should be abolished once and for all, I'm sorry for the well behaved hunters but if they dont report their fellow hunters than we should not give a damn about their"hobby" and the repercussions that they might have if their "hobby" is stopped. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED. I m sorry to say, but for the first time in my life I can proudly say that I'M ASHAMED OF BEING MALTESE.
Jason Borg (on 20/9/08)
@ Patrick Mifsud
Then don't read it, dear Patrick.
Stefan Sammut (on 20/9/08)
I'm glad to see many against this slaughter! This is shamefull on us, and it is creating big issues with tourism. The goverement must think straight and trim these licenses down!

These people must be stopped and removed license immediately. We have exterminated any species that exist on this island, and any bird migratting that is seen movingt is shot down.

One important issue regarding this horrible killing spree, is that it is being passed to our children as a tradition from their parents! Children must be educated that this is all wrong! We must enjoy these majestic creatures and not kill them!

Such traditions must be stopped! We are in 2008!!! But some Maltese still live in 0050 BC!
Andrew Gatt (on 20/9/08)
............and, as usual, Alla jbierek, no one is caught, no one is arrested, no one is charged. Allegations of 100's of shot birds (not the odd incident)!!! Also as usual, everyone and his dog wades into the debate, hysterically calling for total bans and insulting hunters in general. Is it only CABS that sees "massacres" on this scale? Where are the ALE, then?

Before anyone gives me the "but you should report these people", sorry, am at home from September 15th-30th. Am banned from hunting after 3.00pm....apparently the poachers are not. So much for that!
patrick mifsud (on 20/9/08)
once again we got someone else to go against the hunters. we are really fed up of these statements. leave us alone. always the same story when the hunting season starts. now we got these germans to say that hunters are killing birds. i am not a hunter and i have never been but i am really bored with these articles. hundreds of birds!!!! next monday they will be 200. we keep on hearing the same things. produce evidence and then we see. but concrete evidence not internet photos!!!!!!!!!!!!
Karen Zammit Manduca (on 20/9/08)
Whatever anyone says, the solution is not as simple as bringing the law-breakers to book. I'm sure it is virtually impossible to find each and every hunter that shoots at protected birds. Don't forget that many of these will be among trees and bushes, hides etc. Also, whenever action is taken, FKNK usually make one big fuss, rather than admit that whoever is punished has done wrong.
Last Spring, thanks to the fact that there was no hunting, I was able to see more unusual birds flying overhead than I have ever done before.
As for the comments that we should ban cars, cigarettes, alcohol etc., these are childish comments. Every issue must be tackled in the most effective ways. The way forward on protecting birds is to ban hunting, whereas the curbing of other illegalities must be tackled separately and intelligently (if we have any of that left!)
As for the comment related to political parties, I am highly sceptical that any party will do any more, and manage to win the battle, on the hunting problem.
Regarding foreigners helping to monitor the situation, there is nothing wrong in having foreigners help out where we Maltese cannot cope.
Anthony Formosa (on 20/9/08)
@m.mangion, when most of the European countries invaded an Arab country to take their share of wealth, only few stood up against such invasion, and that makes the rest compliance including Brussels. Everyone remembers the story of the WOMD which proved to be nothing but a manipulated propaganda. Today I must say that my own safety and freedom is jeopardized and violated because of the involvement of many EU countries. My point is that we are making a big issue because a few birds were killed, I do not pretend to have persons like James A Tyrrel to threaten us as a tourist, when my life is always under threat when I when I enter an airport or feared when I take a plane. If everyone minded his own business, today we will not be living in a world of terror.

@Robert Nock your comment is appreciated.

@ Dennis Agius, Shooting from 3pm till dark with the exact location, and you failed to report, but preferred to report here. Is their something funny?
Daniel Bonello (on 20/9/08)
It is useless to complain via the media if no action is taken by the authorities.

I am a law abiding hunter and I expect that since these CABS specialists possess video footage of poachers (if there are any) shooting illegaly then these videos should be handed to the ALE rather than to boost with local & foreign media!

Another point is that law abiders have nothing to do with the rest & there are far more law abiders than poachers as CABS confirm. In there reports they said that approx 0 hunters were in mizieb, 40 out of 20,000 is insignificant therefore CABS has the duty to hand over hard evidence to sustain their allegations and to apprehend the culprits.

Poaching is illegal & therefore should be stopped rather than minimised for the sake of our pastimes, traditions and MALTA. Besides CABS has the duty to also prepare a report re Germany's illegal hunting problem!
Jonathan Beacom (on 20/9/08)
As a landscape photographer I often find myself in the countryside at the same times as 'hunters' as the light is ideal at sunrise and sunset.

After over 20 years of close encounters with these people I can assure you that the vast majority of so called hunters break the law and shoot at protected birds at every opportunity.

I have witnessed many large scale massacres of large birds and birds of prey all over the islands, I have even seen hunters firing at flamingos off the back of a moving pick-up truck in Gozo !!

I have been verbally abused and threatened at gunpoint on public land and shots have occasionally been fired over my head but I always stood my ground and got on with my work.

No matter what the hunters association says, these abuses happen daily !

If the FKNK keeps on encouraging the lawless behavior of most of its members, and making irresponsible statements about 'interfering foreigners', than they should be prepared to suffer the consequences when even legitimate Turtle Dove & Quail hunting is abolished for ever. ...KEEP IT UP FKNK ! ...MAKE OUR DAY !!

George Casha (on 20/9/08)
There is a very simple solution to this never-ending saga. Start catching hunters that break the law in the act, permanently confiscate all their firearms, slap them with a hefty fine and ban them for life from ever owning another firearm let alone go hunting again.
This of course can only happen in a civilized country, unfortunately this is Malta where the law of the jungle prevails on a daily basis. The gross incompetence of the Authorities in all areas makes it much harder to accept this sad situation, but these are the facts we are faced with everyday and nobody can deny them.
Joseph Micallef (on 20/9/08)
@Chris Borg and those of you who are trying to do some mathematics,
I don't think that CABS had the intention to give detailed and precise figures in such a report. Seeing six birds hit does not mean that only 6 were hit. Saying that nearly a whole flock was wiped out should mean something though (quoting from the report from what bird guard Shai Agmon said).
S. Pisani (on 20/9/08)
Most of the comments that are pro-hunters tend to excuse what is going on, very often trying to mention other negative aspects of the Maltese life so that their wrong seems less wrong! They try to make one right by mentioning two wrongs!
The problem of illegal hunting will only stop when those hunters who do not break the law join forces with all those who are against the killing of protected species. Till now, none of the hunters seems to be lifting a finger against those who are killing birds of prey, and please, do not tell me that birds of prey are not being killed!
The hunting lobby often states that there are only few irresponsible hunters, but from what I am seeing, there are only few responsibile, and that is the reason why the hunters are not pin-pointing who is breaking the law! In my opinion, yes, the only solution is to STOP HUNTING IMMEDIATELY as this morning showed that the Maltese hunters will NOT obey the law if birds come over!
Regarding the number of people that were caught by the police, one cannot expect miracles from a dozen police officers! They are not superCops!
Alex Borg (on 20/9/08)
Shameful, outrageous and uncivil are the words that come to mind. I compare trying to argue with these hunters with trying to argue the cause of the liberation of women with the Taliban. At this point tough enforcement seems to be the only way to prove to these people that they are not beyond the rule of law.
Political parties should finally realise that by clamping down hard on hunting they stand to gain more votes rather than lose.
Sylvana Zarb Darmanin (on 20/9/08)
No, Mr. J. Scerri, it is the RIDE which the Prime Minister, Minister of Internal Affairs and the Environment together with the MIC Representatives chose to take the hunters and trappers on!!!!! I have documentation showing the assurances these persons in high places gave to hunters and trappers.

As for the abolition of hunting completely, yes, Sir, keep on dreaming!
David Pisani (on 20/9/08)
Yesterday evening at around 3pm I went to Buskett to watch the birds of prey. Infact what is written in this article below is true, we heard some shots, coming from Dingli Area, near Cliffs in the evening.

The birds were amazing and there were a lot in the sky. This morning i went again to see them flying back to the south, but i didn't count that much. Could be that they migrated during the night.

I hope so.
Chris Borg (on 20/9/08)
I am extremely sceptical of these figures that CABS are coming up with.

40 hunters, 150 shots, 6 birds hit but kept flying, etc etc etc.
harry borda (on 20/9/08)
It is a fact that the police section, ALE, is one of the most effective of the corps. Now how come there is no mention of hunters apprehended while all these supposed massacres occurred in front of the CABS? This section is known to book hunters even when not a single shot is heard! So with all these accurate reports, I would assume hundreds of hunters have been booked!!!!!!
Joe Scerri (on 20/9/08)
@Sylvana Zarb Darmanin
Was the end of spring hunting and the end of trapping a dream perhaps?
m.mangion (on 20/9/08)
@I Galea
"for in that case they (tourists) would be interfering in our internal affairs which is none of their business."
Perhaps I.Galea would like to see tha foreign interference law reactivated!
We are not an island anymore. whatever happens here effects the rest of the world and vice versa.
Robert Callus (on 20/9/08)
No wonder FKNK are afraid of CABS. What hurts more than the truth
Vincent Galea (on 20/9/08)
Don't you think that Malta would be better off if it were run by the Mohicans ?
dennis agius (on 20/9/08)
Yesterday after 3pm shoots kept being heard till dark at the area of the St Mary fireworks factory in Ghaxaq, i kept seeing buzzards being shot down. I'm not a hunter not even a Birdlife supporter but I can see the difference between birds.
How can one expect that hunters abide with the Law when some time ago we heard on the news that one of the main personality in the hunting federation was found guilty for helping a trapper at gozo to trap illegally?
Shame on you all? If the LAW ABIDING hunters disagree with what had happened and want the hunting and trapping to continue they are to report all those responsable of the massacre which is occuring. Malta is a small country were everyone knows everyone.
The only think is left to do is to close the hunting season like it had been done last year.
Mr Goverment we are after you once again. Act quickly please!!!!!!!!
cynthia busuttil (on 20/9/08)
When a speedboat is involved in unlawful practice and kills a human being we do not get hysterical and demand that boating be banned. It is not fair to punish law-abiding hunters. Perhaps they can be consulted on the best way to get rid of the criminals among them once and forever. To blame the government is simplistic and bears no fruit. The outrage the Maltese people are showing is a positive sign of a democratic country. I say take the wardens' approach and hit them where it hurts most, the pocket.
Robert Caruana (on 20/9/08)
@ S. Farrugia - I do not think that it is fair to state that "All those in favour of hunting should be ashamed". Of course this type of illegality is definitely something to be ashamed of and has no place in a civilised society. And if further restrictions are needed to control this illegality, so be it

However, hunting should be different. All the birds that can be legally shot are edible and not endangered. Of course you can argue that it is an element of cruelty, but than so are all activities where animals are kept or caught and killed for human consumption (fishing, keeping and killing livestock, chicken etc). If you are a vegetarian or believer in animal rights, I respect your views even though I may not share them.

But for the rest of us who eat meat (animals shot), chicken (decapitated), fish (hooked) and so on, it seems inconsistent to be so intolerant of hunting (as in legal hunting). But of course these illegalities are completely unacceptable, and as you rightly said, shooting down a bird to leave it there (or place it in a cabinet) is simply not on. Well done CABS
kevin z\ammit (on 20/9/08)
very brave people indeed.POINTING FINGERS AT SOME HUNTERS does not mean that ALL hunters are shooting at birds.JEALOUSYi is what you have for hunters and thats all. keep going and waste more time and even money if you donate for birdlife malta
Sylvana Zarb Darmanin (on 20/9/08)
Mr. Robert Nock, your comment makes interesting reading. It is a pity that such level-headed contributions are so scarce in coming from BirdLife and the anti-hunting lobby. As you can see from the comments appearing, certain contributors are a disgrace to the Maltese citizens. Most are abolitionists, extremists and disrespectful indeed.

I would much enjoy commenting and discussing the hunting issue with persons like you, Sir. Unfortunately, I am stuck with receiving insults and rude comments from individuals who do not know otherwise!!

Etienne Bonanno (on 20/9/08)
How come nobody here has asked who exactly are these CABS? Committee Against Bird Slaughter doesn't exactly strike me as the name an objective (or even legitimate) organisation would choose for itself. What are the credentials of these people who would presume to dictate policy in our country? I mean various NGOs, pressure groups, lobby groups, activists and what not are a dime a dozen nowadays and it's pretty difficult to keep track of who's who.
I don't wish to give the impression of being pro-hunting in any way - actually I am pretty much in favour of stricter regulations and merciless enforcement, however such a farcical article could not but make me raise an eyebrow.
A. Mizzi (on 20/9/08)
It is just too sad. Are we a civilised law abiding country? Where are the law enforcers?

Enjoying bigilla and local delicacies at the Fosos Floriana?
Ivan Camilleri (on 20/9/08)
To the FKNK : U ARE THE SHAME OF MALTA. SHAME ON YOU ALL!! GAMIEM & SUMMIEN ONLY EY? SO MUCH FOR UTTER HYPOCRISY!!!!
Sylvana Zarb Darmanin (on 20/9/08)
Mr. J.P.Galea, are there, or are there not law-abiding hunters? You contradicted yourself in just one sentence! No wonder, I did not make sense of the remaining comment.

Mr. A. Xuereb, how rude can one get? Excuse me, Sir, I WILL NOT SHUT UP, even moreso since it seems that my comments bothers you and quite a number of other contributors.

Mr. J. Scerri and Co, keep on dreaming! Law-abiding hunters have all the right to practice their traditional pastime within the parameters of the Law.

Mr. J. Borg, since when has the responsibility of law-breakers (whatever the wrong-doing) fallen on co-citizens? Furthermore, it appears that your language of speech needs much polishing. A person is known through his words and actions - your rude comments are not reflecting so positively on you!

Ms. Emma Xerri, could you please enlighten me as to where I may look up the 80% statistic you mention? Being presumptuous and throwing inflated figures around is no surprise, especially when coming from the anti-hunting side.

Mr. C. Aquilina, with your line of reasoning, we have many individuals who "are guilty by association". Remember? - Illegal hunting is not the only illegality we have in Malta.
D.MANGION (on 20/9/08)
THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOU DO NOT USE YOUR VOTE TO TACKLE THIS LONG DRAWN ISSUE. YOU ARE ALL PROTESTING ABOUT THE PASSIVITY OF THIS GOVERNMENT, YET COME ELECTION TIME MOST OF YOU WILL BE GLORIFYING GONZI PN'S par idejn sodi. SODI MY FOOT !
SAME GOES TO MLP UTD'S SUPPORTERS. WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTION TIME, ALL YOU CARE FOR IS YOUR FLAGS !

ALTERNATTIVA; HUNTERS ONLY REAL POLITICAL THREAT WILL NEVER MAKE IT TO PARLIAMENT !
INDEED...EVERY PEOPLE HAVE THE GOVERNMENT IT DESERVES. WE ARE NO EXCEPTION.
James Mifsud (on 20/9/08)
Dear CABS,

You are too passive!

I would not want to be in your position seeing those beautiful creatures being shot. It must have been very sad.


I have a plan!

Any protected species that is in the Maltese territorial waters or land should be declared national sovereign treasure while on our land.

CABS should be temporarily integrated with the revenue security corps.
CABS should be assigned on escort duty to birds.
Any Maltese national treasure that is threatened should be protected and
CABS should be given permission to arrest hunters on the spot.

If you need volunteers I would be the first in line my friends, it is time these people get some of their own medicine back.

J.

S. Farrugia (on 20/9/08)
Hunting should be stopped. It was better when the hunting season was closed, cause birds weren't shot and killed brutally just for the sake of it. Hunters cannot be trusted, and I'm sorry to say this, but these people must be stopped. The Police should get out of their offices and see and investigate what really goes on in this small island of the Med.

All those in favour of hunting should be ashamed. Shame on you all!!

Can someone tell me what is so nice and glorius in shooting a bird down ... worst of all, shooting it down and leaving it there.
Neville Bezzina (on 20/9/08)
These people should be ashamed of themselves. No argument, counter-argument, logical debate, or protests that this is a 'tradition' can justify this heartless killing of innocent animals. People are shocked whenever a dog or other lovable "pet" animal is found killed. These people are breaking the law blatantly and the law of this country, the NGO's, and the government have to unite to stop this outrageous behavior. Hefty fines, confiscation of firearms, should be the tip of the iceberg.
l Galea (on 20/9/08)
Jean Paul Galea
With the number of shots CABS claimed as being fired and the number of birds that are claimed as being shot down there is no fear that any bird is threatened with extinction by Maltese hunters.
l Galea (on 20/9/08)
James A. Tyrrell
If tourists won't come because they do not like hunting then so be it.
No one should threaten or hold the Maltese Government at ransom, especially foreigners, for in that case they would be interfering in our internal affairs which is none of their business.
Robert Nock (on 20/9/08)
Why is everone against the Hunters?

I am a member and active supporter of Bird Life Malta but I do not object to legal hunting.

I have many hunters as friends and most (but not all) are law abiding.

The problem (as I see it) is that Malta with its high population density and and small huntable areas leaves very little room for hunting,and every illegal event makes headline news, where it would be of little or no consequence in the national media of larger countries within the EU.

This is not to excuse the illegal shooting of protected birds in Malta. In fact i believe that the legitmate Maltese hunters would benefit from more policing by such bodies as the ALE, or other bodies such as Birdlife & CABS. and would be better served by hunting organisations such as FKNK if they were to control their members.



Robert Caruana (on 20/9/08)
Wonderful Quote from A. Farrugia

" With Spring hunting banned, what are some of the hunters who might not be in a position to control themselves expected to do? "

What sort of justification is this? People not in a position to control themselves should not be running around carrying shotguns! And people trying to defend them are accomplices in their crimes.

Jean Paul Galea (on 20/9/08)
@Anthony Formosa
Birds Life is irreplaceable not like other sectors of abuse especially if the birds go extinct.
Alfred Farrugia (on 20/9/08)
I am not a mathematician, but if I am not mistaken 2+1+6+2 make 11, and do not amount to “hundreds”! On what basis did David Conlin of Wales base his estimates? Why is this paper condoning sensationalism?

With Spring hunting banned, what are some of the hunters who might not be in a position to control themselves expected to do? Why all this fuss about 11 birds? Does Mr. Conlin eat chicken or turkey on Thanksgiving?

May I suggest that the autobahns in Germany and the motorways in Wales be converted to nature reserves if and when 11 road accidents, or other infringements, take place on such roads.

If the Germans and the Welsh are so eager to help 11 birds to return to Africa, why is it that they do not show the same enthusiasm to help us and take “hundreds” of illegal immigrants back to Africa, or to Germany and Wales, for that matter?

Perhaps we need to remember one of the parables, and those among us – including CABS members - who have never broken the law in some way or another throw the first stone against the hunters.

James A. Tyrrell (on 20/9/08)
Speaking strictly as a tourist I have to say that this situation is far more serious than is being made out in the papers. Whilst I totally condemn the wholesale slaughter of migrating birds which a small percentage of idiots seem to enjoy on a yearly basis, I think the time has come when this has to looked at from a tourist point of view.

Malta is a tourist driven economy, that is a fact. Take the tourist income out of the economy and the country will find itself in a very serious situation. I am therefore asking the Maltese Government through the Times to answer this very simple question. Are you willing to jeopardise the economy of your country in order to secure the votes of a few hunters?

I sincerely hope that hunting is banned again, but this time for good, as it is quite obvious that these people cannot police themselves in a responsible manner. I too live on an island but you could count on one hand the number of protected birds, which are shot down here in a year. When it happens here it is accidental because our hunters have respect for their sport.
Jean Paul Galea (on 20/9/08)
Please note that a large number of those who should enforce the law are hunters as well and they won't take other hunter like them to court
Anthony Formosa (on 20/9/08)
Well I guess today was the celebrating day for the CABS and BLM rather for the majority law abiding hunters. I can assure you all, that many hunters like myself didn't bother to go out for hunting because such wind direction (NW) is not favourable with many hunters, however unexpectedly some turbulance forced these birds to roost in Malta and the few poachers took the opportunity. I was not out so I can't comment, but if as CABS claimed that they saw hundreds of protected birds roosting, then why they didn't take the opportunity to catch red handed those irresponsible? Is CBS & BLM cooperating with the police? or they just wanted these things to happen so that they move forward with their objectives. Why should I shoulder the responsibility and being deprived from my past time when I was at home? If this is the game that you all want to play, then we might aswell ban everything, because in everything there are abuses, some are tolerable some are not.

@ Geoffrey Mifsud and others, just give me one ONLY ONE sector that there are no abuses and that they don't repeat themselves, and then we ban hunting.
Eileen Bruno Olivier (on 20/9/08)
Close hunting season IMMEDIATELY.
l Galea (on 20/9/08)
@joe borg and those who are appealing to the eu.
Shame on you. Whatever the wrong and I do not agree with hunting, I detest people who go asking big brother to punish their siblings. Foreigners should look after their own affairs in their own countries and stop picking upon tiny Malta.

CABS
What happens in your own country?
Why don't you dare to go to Egypt and other African countries and try to stop the massacres that happen there? Or are you chickens?

As an aside, judging by the number of shots that CABS claims were fired and the number of birds that they claim were shot down, they have nothing to fear about the extinction of any bird species. Maltese hunters were certified by CABS themselves to be lousy shooters.
A Caruana (on 20/9/08)
I am surprised at one thing. If there are so many of them how come they are not caught ?
Why are they not caught and brought before the courts ?

They should feel the full wrath of the law Maximum Penalty even if it means prison.

But I keep asking WHY ?

What happened to Self Regulation proposed by the FKNK ?



L. Attard (on 20/9/08)
I do not know if you remeber, but this has been going on for years now! Since there has been some environmental awareness in Malta, every time a number of birds come to Malta, it is always the same story. It seems that the authorities are not capable of controlling the situation because the so called 'few' hunters are VERY NUMEROUS indeed! The only way to control hunting in Malta is to BAN HUNTING!
A. Gatt (on 20/9/08)
This has been going on year after year, but none of the two political parties seem to be ready to do anything concrete to stop this massacre! It is not enough to make laws on paper if you do not enforce them.
If a number of football supporters, regardless of the percentage, damage property, the CLUB has to pay! Hence, even in this scenario, HUNTING SHOULD STOP as the hunting federation is there simply to attack EVERYBODY who dare say something against the killing of birds, regardless if they are saying the truth or not! I never heard FKNK saying that it took any action against any of its members!
Andrew Borg-Cardona (on 20/9/08)
You're all so naive. Don't you know that all these birds are being killed by Birdlife? You can tell that this is the case, because the hunters are wearing those snazzy black Birdlife t-shirts.

And just for the benefit of those with a sense of humour by-pass, I'm being heavily sarcastic: if these reports of illegal hunting are true, it is time to ban hunting once and for all NOW.
Annalisa Scerri (on 20/9/08)
It has always been, but it is now much more amply clear that we are dealing with bullies who think they are always above the law.
The last election proved beyond doubt that the vote of the hunting lobby is no longer strong enough to topple scales - which was the reason why these people have have had it so good for so long.
If the goverment wants to convince us that the environment is being given the priority it deserves, the hunting season should be closed IMMEDIATELY.
Michael Fenech (on 20/9/08)
@ Jeo Borg

I agree with you,But to ban hunting once and for all you have to have a Government with guts, this is something that this Government have never shown.
s vella (on 20/9/08)
Ban hunting! no one needs to shoot at any bird to eat and certainly it is not fair to shoot at birds and then stuff them up to put in a showcase! Hunters in Malta are becoming uncontrollable and they have to be stopped!
joe borg (on 20/9/08)
The goverment is behaving lik SLEEPY JOE with the hunters, who do they think they are? If the goverment is strong he must ban the hunting immediately at any time of the year. If the hunters want to shoot they must shoot on the plattini. we are living in a civilised country( so its supposed to be) with a goverment being blackmailed by the votes. if you throw a paper you are fined, who is going to arrest these hunters because this is all against the law. pls eu give a penalty of millions of euros so that he will wake up from this sleep.
Robert Caruana (on 20/9/08)
It is a disgrace. Each large passage of birds of prey uncovers the true extent of illegal hunting. It is only when there is nothing to poach that some people may be tricked into believing that the problem is not very serious.

I have always argued that law abiding hunters and trappers have the right to their hobby (and I still do) but all those who consider themselves as law abiding hunters and yet try to minimise the extent of the problem of illegal hunting are themselves accomplices in this saga and fully deserve all the flak and any further restrictions that may result from this continued widespread illegality.

As to the FKNK the less said the better. They clearly are happier targeting birdlife and CABS than doing anything to bring about order to the hunting situation. The extent of illegalities and the type of comments we have recently heard from an FKNK official do nothing to enhance the tarnished image of hunting in Malta.

If law abiding hunters are happy with this type of leadership, then I’m afraid that they will also have to be happy with the consequences that this continued widespread illegality will have on their tradition.
Geoffrey Mifsud (on 20/9/08)
A hunting ban is simply not enough at this point. Few people will recall but last year the same thing happend and hunting was abrubtly banned.

These people will never ever learn. They have assumed that they have control of whatever roams in the skies.

My opinion is that tougher measures should be adopted:

1. An immediate ban on hunting is obvious.
2. Suspension of all hunting licences with immediate effect.
3. Recalling of all guns and weapons used by hunters, which shall be kept by the police department.
4. Budget is close - A hefty increase in license fees for hunting, and I mean hefty. If hunters consider this as a pastime and a hobby, let them pay for it. Make the 'pastime' an expensive one.
5. Increased the fines payable under current law. I also suggest the introduction of imprisonment of a minimum 3 months maximum 6 months for those still caught hunting illegally.
6. Referendum. 1 simple question - should hunting be completely banned all year round in Malta - yes or no. Political parties should not take sides on this please.


m. mangion (on 20/9/08)
This slaughter was to be expected after the spring hunting ban. these people were baying for blood on their website and now they are avenging themselves on the birds and the bird lovers. Since these people cannot control their blood lust the government should con