
Monday, 25th August 2008 - 16:14CET
Man charged with rape
Mumin Trabulé, a 21-year-old man from Ivory Coast, currently residing at Ħal Fal Tent City has pleaded not guilty to attempting to rape two women and raping a third between March and this month. All three women were from Ta' Xbiex.
Police inspector Carlo Ellul said Mr Trabulé was an illegal immigrant who arrived in Malta two years ago without any identification and did not have a permanent address.
The charges against him were serious so granting him bail would not be suitable.
Defense lawyer Mark Busuttil said that Mr Trabulé should not be denied bail just because he was a foreigner.
However, Inspector Ellul argued that the accused had admitted, in a police statement, to the attempted rape of one of the women.
Mr Trabulé was remanded in custody.







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There are people who confess on advice of attorneys. If it is very probable the person is found guilty, it is wiser to confess and face let's say 5 yrs than face a jury and if guilty 12 yrs.
Unfortunately whether the defendent should just be told he has a right for attorney doesn't hold in any circumstance. If he was not told, or allowed, how are we to know? The police will testify for each other and unanimously declate they had allowed the right.
Thus, no confession without attorney, eradicates the risk that the person was forced, and would also make it impossible for the accused to blame the police he was forced
"What attorney in the right state of mind will let a client confess" - well, sometimes, depending on the case, it pays for an accused to admit guilt if he/she is really guilty (more lenient sentence, perhaps). Also, the question could be posed in the following way: "What person in the right state of mind (unless in full knowledge of being found guilty and with the possibility of a more lenient sentence) will admit guilt, with or without an attorney?".
Of course, a "right state of mind" excludes being in a state of fear (particularly if the accused is in a foreign country), which is why, I believe, the courts do not take a confession to be enough proof of guilt (by itself) if the accused pleads innocent in court, or if there is some other reason to believe he/she's innocent.
I definitely agree with legal representation during interrogation, and no confession is valid when the lawyer wasn't present.
It is a safety valve for potential inncoent people, as well as for the police so that then no one can blame them of forcing a confession
When are we going to put into practice what is already in our laws: ie. legal representation during interrogation by the police? What are you waiting for Dr. Gonzi?
I'm not saying he's necessarily inncoent, and if he's found guilty, he should pay the price. But you should understand that sometimes people admit guilt to the police out of fear. Whether this fear is rational or irrational, justified or unjustified is another question which I won't go into. Can't we wait until the court sentence before passing judgement?
If admitting guilt to the police was sufficient, a trial would be unnecessary. Is this what you would want?
Quote: However, inspector Ellul argued that the accused had ADMITTED, in a police statement, to the attempted rape of one the woman.
Daphne, come on he admitted this the police. This could easily been you or your sister walking in Ta'Biex and getting attacked and raped, or it could happen to one of my cousins while taking thier kids to our beautiful park in Gzira. Please Daphne use some common sense.
these three men "...have admitted in court...." and they have so been found guilty so much so that they ".......were granted bail pending sentencing next month....." . This si clear cut.
The 21 year old has admitted to the police but not in court and so his case is still pending ie he is still innocent .
These are facts and so I am not uncharitable in quoting facts.
Your reference to the 14 year old ' victims ' and ' children ' (your inverted commas) is uncharitable to say the least ! You go as far as to state that you will not elaborate on these descriptions !
What is also highly uncharitable is your last sentence.......as if you want to implicate something on these minors from Vittoriosa !
It is highly entertaining to see that all your arguments are always reduced to technicalities regarding the english language. Commenting about other people's grammar in an attempt to show off your stellar command of the language is getting old now.
Get off your high horse Daphne. You have no right to call people fools for expressing their opinions which *shock/horror* differ from your own.
You should also note that the victims are not named because they are minors.
Three young men this morning admitted in court to having committed sexual acts with three 14-year-old girls in Vittoriosa on August 17.
Andy Brincat, 20, and Nick Brincat, 18, of Vittoriosa and Melvyn Rapinett, 19 of Cospicua, were granted bail pending sentencing next month."
This is a news which came in some hours back. The accused are definately not sons of immigrants or immigrants themselves........and the acts supposedly did not happen anywhere an immigrants' centre.........but let's also wait for the court verdict, although they have already admitted to court.
Guys this is all about upbringing, irrespective of colour, religion, politics gender etc etc......and it is not limited to lower classes only.....the strenght of the pen in certain bloggers is also worrying !
Just watched those videos regarding Sweden you refer to. They made my blood curdle. They are terrifying but this is Malta's future I believe. Just look at the mess that was once Great Britain. I'll admit, I am scared. What is the hidden agenda we are not being told about?
The people running our countries are supposedly intelligent so what do they know that we don't?
Somebody in power, please answer. Someone knows!!
I am afraid I cannot take your assurance that "Sweden does not have a problem with the muslims" seriously. A simple Google search for "Sweden muslims" proves otherwise. In fact it proves shocking. Even I was not aware of how much the situation in Sweden has deteriorated lately. Of course you are free to go on living with that bucket over your head.
And when you come up "with a word big enough for" me, go, post it here. It must be
On a serious note however, is she not aware that all the cases she mentioned in her diatribe met with the same indignation and contempt that is being expressed for this alleged offender?
I don't believe that any of the culprits she wrote about went to a foreign land begging for, and accepted hospitality, and then perpetrated their crimes.
If I recall well Victor only recently you came to live in Bugia (you hail from Tarxien right !) I who was born and brought up here can tell the difference from the present and the past. The teenagers you mention were always there even in our times of growing up lets not play the saints now I am sure you did your share of eyeing up :) but the illegal immigrants were not ! Do you know that my son has had to catch the 6.30am bus to go to MCAST for 3 yrs to start school at 8.00am as if he took a later bus he would be left stranded due to the flooding of the illegal immigrants. If he missed the bus and arrived late his stipendium would be deducted whilst the immigrants pocket money remains untouched...... Sorry I am fed up of this situation and would urge all political parties to have the guts and seriously do something about.
Ok granted, let's wait for the outcome of the hearing
Yes you are right, it would be a real sight to see my face if my daughter brings along an african boyfriend :) I would be awfully worried! BUT, it won't be because he's black. I'd worry about the cultural difference, I'd worry about his attitudes towards women, I'd worry about problems they will face.
I totally sympathise with your daughter's concerns when on the bus. But one has to see how much of the problem is real or percieved. People living in certain conditions of poverty, ignorance and violence such as africa migh be more likely of commiting certain crimes. But while we cannot recognise easily people coming from certain areas of degredation in Malta, we can easily recognise an african! So your daughter might be on a bus with many decent, hard working africans who would never harm her, but still feel afraid. The police must be present in areas of high crime rates to protect our children, from black or white criminals. Many of the africans on the bus are escaping from rape, torture or death. The things you and I are scared of!! The situation is difficult with no easy answers.
Is it the first time that statements given to the police are changed (and accepted) during court hearings. I reattirate that a crime is always a crime, but let us let the court decide first and then comment later.........
@Marisa Darmanin I share your worries cause I live in B'buga and have a twelve year old girl whom I have to taxi around......I would do the same anywhere in Malta 'cause trouble can happen anywhere....just look at the beaches with the local young (teenagers) males vieing for the best prey ! Our society has changed negatively in such aspects, I'm sorry to say ! and this through no fault of any immigrant, but through lack of a sound family upbringing.
But this issue is different. I repeat that I will comment only after the court decision.
@Charles Sammu I can assure you that Sweden does not have a problem with the muslims, but some people try their best to make you believe that it is so. About the E.U. what Imeant is that Sweden pays far more than it gets, unlike Malta but that is fair enough. And no I will not call you names, as the search for a big enough word for you is still going on
I have the greatest sympathy with you and fully understand your situation.In the U.K I lived adjacent to a no go area.I was afraid to venture out in daylight hours,never mind in the hours of darkness.
It was that bad even the police were afraid to venture in.No prizes for guessing who lived there. Yes your right our Colonial friends,dealing drugs.prostitution,and what ever took their fancy,knowing full well they could get away with anything.
To you do gooders,human rights fanatics out there.Put your money where your mouth is. Take a walk through Marsa,past Hal Far around eleven o clock at night,go on I dare you...
I must have struck you attention my dear since you went completely out of subject, namely; 'Man charged with rape' ; in order to redicule me. Is that a form of lateral thinking from your part? Dhaaaaa
@ Victor Battistino
But within the article above, the accused had admitted in a police statement to the attempted rape of one of the women. So in your opinion because he didn't actually rape her, its as if nothing has happened?
Pronunciation: \ˈze-nə-ˌfōb, ˈzē-\
Function: noun
Etymology: International Scientific Vocabulary
Date: 1922
: one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin
— xe·no·pho·bic \ˌze-nə-ˈfō-bik, ˌzē-\ adjective
— xe·no·pho·bi·cal·ly \-bi-k(ə-)lē\ adverb
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobe
Stop involving religion in your comments. Being Christian or Catholics has nothing to do with it. Georgia and Russia are both 'christian' and they are still fighting. So trying to invoke other commentators' religious beliefs does not work. In fact most maltese are probably by now non-practicing catholics - just look at church attendancy - if that is anything to judge religion with.
I think one should make a distinction between safeguarding the Christian/Catholic tradition and the Christian/ Catholic religion. You can be the best the best catholic even in North Korea or Saudi
I wonder how many of you bloggers live in Birzebbugia and really understand what problems actually exist in Birzebbugia. I also wonder how all you so called Christians and anti racists will react when your son or daughter brings on your doorstep one of these illegal immigrants and presents him/her as their new boy/girlfriend. OOHHH how I love to see your faces than.
By the way yes I do actually live in Birzebbugia and I have a 14yr old girl who hesitates whenever she goes on the bus and all she sees is illegal immigrants on it. Or else I have to meet her on her way up home at night from Pretty Bay. Now don’t come back telling me my daughter shouldn’t be on the bus or cant go out at night either. First try to get on a bus no.11 12 or 13 and than remember how safe Malta was prior to these arrivals than come back and
write down your comments here. For all of you who are 'defending' this outrageous and out of hand problem unless you have first hand experience of the situation please do keep quite or else swap places with me.
In any case, this article has nothing to do with illegal immigrants but with a man who is still presumed innocent until proven guilty ! Or our society has decided to invert this and a person is presumed guilty unless proven innocent ? And this (God forbid) could be you or me in a foreign country whist on holiday !
So according to you is this is also biased and staged.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KzLECtFT4aU
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uxsfZm0YDk0&NR=1
A senior Swedish police chief has retired to Malta and not just for the nice climate. He is traumatised by the situation in Sweden.
Malmo was a peaceful city before it was over-run by immigrants. It is only natural that Swedes are reacting this this invasion. That does not make the Swedes criminals, they are patriots defending their culture and country.
As for EU funds, I doubt that Malta is a net receiver of funds.
Racist, anti-Christain, bigot, xenophobe, fascist, nazi and all the other choice epithets leftist liberal losers care to foist on me are like water on a duck's back so spare yourself the effort.
So, can you tell us what makes you so sure that Malta WAS NOT THEIR DESTINATION ?? Do you have any contacts or specific information which could be of help to the investigators ?
Have you ever heard about those immigrants who phoned with a satellite phone to their "friends" at Marsa who in turn informed the authorities of the "stranded boat" ?
Given the latest stand taken by Italian authorities I doubt that they would rather get there instead of landing in Malta !! Here they are very rarely sent back and they stand a good chance of getting free accommodation at Marsa !
Are we to believe that those who get here on their steam and enter Xlendi, Zurrieq, Hal Far and Fomm ir-Rih all hit our shores by chance and with no navigation equipment at all FROM LIBYA ? Or that they got here because they blindly aimed at Italy, got lost and by chance reached our unguarded shores ??
please refer to Mario Nicchia's comment further down.
Ps since you refer to us as "out there" I presume that you are one of those who chose to go and live/work abroad ( using legal documents) and have developed into an armchair critic of your fellow countrymen.
If you want to help them" down south" I suggest that you go down south and not up north and leave us in the centre make up out own minds about what we want and do not want!
As for rape....Nobody in his right senses condones it!
The subject within my comment was about the E.U. funds for E.U. member countries.... that is why i told you that African countries are not entitled for a share from this pie. Why do you always have to revert to the typical comment of racism etc.
Incidentally, I'm impressed that you think needing a dictionary means one lacks intelligence. To me ,it means one lacks a dictionary.
@ Charles Sammut, no the system is not collapsing at all. Because you read on article does not mean that you know exactly what is happening here. Malmö has had problems with crime, both from swedes and immigrants, but so has other parts of Sweden when muslim communities are far smaller. The article is biased, he even refers to an article in aftonbladet, which is a gossip tabloid . But yes there are immigrants who have even been living here for years that are angry at Sweden because sometimes they do find it difficult to find a job because of their surname.
@ I.M.Dingli, how can you say such a horrible thing that African countries do not deserve a piece of the cake? Last time I checked, black, white, christian, muslim, we are all humans. Or maybe you were thought that africans are lesser beings? The most fundamentalist christian country, and the most racist, coincidence?
Rape is wrong....commited by maltese, somali, congalese or whoever! These crimes tend to be commited by the poor and marginalised in every society. But the uproar to any crime commited by any foreigner of african descent is pure hysteria. When there were cases of abuse commited on children by priests there was a sense of disgust....but none of my "christian" friends here were proposing locking all the priests up, demolishing churches or sending all priests back to the vatican!!!
We maltese were lucky enough never to have been in a position similar africa's. If we were in such a position....we would definitely "illegally" get a boat to Italy. If you are a refugee, you don't have papers. No one from Darfur would be so crazy as to ask the Sudanese for papers before leaving to Europe!
I'm proud to be Maltese, helping our unfortunate brothers down south despite the huge problem this is causing us. Despite all this, ANY rapist deserves a very severe punishment, black or white!!!!
Being a streetwalker doesnt give anyonethe right to rape.
So dont judge others Daphne just because they are from tax xbiex or gzira.
I wonder how you are still surprised. So 50% of the Maltese are foolish being labor sympathizers, the rest who comment a rape are foolish too...Leaves only her one step high on the rest of you.
Try to come in Italy and look for yourself how prophetic Ms. Galizia is… Everyday our roads are terrorized by immigrants. You cant walk the street after 8pm, women are terrorized to go inside car parks and reports of rapes keep popping daily on our news (You watch Italian TV by yourself) The train stations are frightening and the cities are hell.
Daphne, if you have the guts, come and see by yourself what people you defend are able to do to your country. Experience the despair of seeing your beautiful country being ruined by persons who your country welcomes and then they pretend to turn it to look like theirs. Experience this before talking s***, like you regularly do.
Hehehe..... You were the one who started those comments such as ‘you might wish to buy yourself a dictionary’ in relation to one’s intelligence so please don’t start blaming me for your arrogance.
I think before I write comments… do you? I respect a person who has a different opinion than me …. do you? I try to discuss with a person whose opinion doesn’t match with mine….. do you? I don’t try to picture myself to others as being an infallible, perfect person ….. do you? I can go on and on Ms. Vella and mention various other points ….. can you?
Moreover I wouldn't say that the comments below are racist simply people are concerned with the influx of illegal immigrants into our country and no one can blame us for not being happy! Whoever is pro-illegal immigrants to come over and use our resource than go ahead keep them in your home!!
I believe your last comment regards the money coming from Sweden, Germany and France etc is completely out of point since those countries are members of the European Union as you know. Malta being a member is entitled for those funds.
I think that African countries are not entitled for a share from this pie!!
Dear Moses have you been living in Sweden with a bucket over your head?
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/938
The Swedish system is collapsing under the immigrant onslaught.
Malta has no such options. We're bearing to brunt of a situation that's not of our own making and our good neighbour down south is exploiting our position as a state with a humane and civilised body of laws. But there is only so much that our country can take and that breaking point is fast approaching, if not passed already.
1- No this is not the first such case. There have been countless others which have gone unreported for the victim's fear of social stigma!
2- No this is not the first act of violence but rather the last of a series of other henious crimes which go unreported in the local media for fear of xenophobic tendencies!
3- Crime is crime irrespective of the perpetrator and no justifications should be pulled up to explain or excuse what remains plain and simply CRIME!
4. We in Malta have people who are holier than the holy spirit!
5. It is a fact still that sexual violence has always met with the greatest public scorn, irrespective of the nationality of the perpetrator. In Malta sexual violence is taboo, period. Factually, in some cultures, due to social unrest, cultural acceptances or whatever, rape and sexual molestations are a way of daily life. Fact remains that whilst in some countries, there is an understanding that rapes are bound to occur, in Malta we simply consider it taboo and such crimes have always been minimal. Do the endless African immigrants have the same perspective?
She is definately not a "streetwalker" although there is someone who has suggested that all women working in Ta' Xbiex must be "streetwalkers". Except herself of course, not cut for that job.
Well well well Mr I M Beck, remember an article you wrote in the Times a while ago. Poor white girls in the UK are afraid to venture out in the hours of darkness ,in fear of being raped by immigrants.
You said what a load of twadle,punctuated with your usual,dirty little racists crawling out from under thier stones remarks.
Well Mr I M Beck, how long before poor little Maltese girls are afraid to venture out?
Wake up Malta,the writing is on the wall.
Your last response shows the level of maturity you have attained over the years and I must say, you have a long way to go. When you have no other aces up your sleeve you always fall back in retreat and start insulting with comments about one’s intelligence amongst other various insults. Have I ever insulted you? Do you call that maturity by any chance? I thought you had more brains than your sister but you have proved me wrong, that one I will surely grant it!!
Come on now…. Give it your best shot and call me names or better try patronising me to make me feel uncomfortable. Can’t you have a decent conversation or what.
Spitting with anger...well...as long as you're in a jubilant mood that doesn't really matter does it....
As to the earlier comments and questions...Still haven't found an answer? Thought not.....
But as long as your stands are purely altruistic, I don't think that really matters now does it....
How can you expect a concrete answer to a "what if" question? Ask me a concrete question first not some hypothetical nonsense..
Erm... I take it that Powel is a figure of speech referring to Enoch Powell? The guy who was kicked out of the British cabinet for opposing anti-discrimination (not anti immigration pls note) laws and spent the last few years of his life trying to prove that Jesus Christ was stoned to death and not crucified? The guy who said that the CIA killed Mountbatten? That the one? Yep he's a gem!
Please note that I am trying to be as polite as possible in addressing you (lest I be banned again) but people of your tendencies (vide ABC of elf and worm fame) tend to elope together - even in their ignorant bliss of the dark clouds gathering.
Why thank you so much for simplifying it so that I can understand you! I appreciate it so much that you would actually come down to my level and specify that when you said Bin Laden you did not actually mean Bin Laden! Which begs the question of course...
Still ...there are much easier ways for terrorists to get to Europe than via Malta and risking being incarcerated...
Oh and by the way what or who is DFG? Another figure of speech? Or possibly you meant CIA? KGB? MI5? Or maybe its DCG?
One more thing; you called yourself a xenophobic, you probably meant xenophobe but never mind that... what I want to know is that since you used the word in reference to yourself and I never did can I please start to use it to refer to you?
this is a man who allegedly "..attempting to rape two women...." is this guy a superman ???
and "...raping a third between March and this month...." wow, we're in end of August !!! That's quite a long time during which this one rape could have taken place. I would presume all this happened after sunset. Anyway at this stage he is 'still' being accused of these crimes.....
I commend our Police Force for its law enforcing efforts. I condemn any crime, irrespective of the perpetrator and the circumstances. I have respect for the victims. I pass twice a day next to Tent village and I can assure you that there are new borns, toddlers, kids, mums and dads as well as young frustrated human beings in these TENTS (summer and winter) when we are all cosy at home. I do not approve of them staying here in Malta for too long especially since Malta was not their destination.
But let's hear the end of this story before we jump to conclusions without full knowledge of all details ! I am learning a lot about us Maltese from these blogs !
I do not agree with your idea of shutting up as this is the easyest way out. People like you should know better and could help by giving honest, feasible solutions. There is much at risk for everybody and those who do not realize this will definitely regret it in the near future. That's why we have leaders, to lead us.
My reference to Bin Ladin was just a figure of speech.
Let me put it simpler for you so that you may understand.
What if terrorists disguised as refugees were to join the next trip to Malta?
How would we detect them?
Should Malta begin to be used as a springboard by terrorists to reach Europe who are we to question and who will take responsability?
You, DFG or ...... who?
IF we start having maymem on the island can you tell me who will assume resposability?
Please give us xenophobics a concrete answer. (Remember Powel was right!)
DLG start thinking about this instead of calling people fools. I don't think you'll be talking in this manner if the woman assualted was someone you know. Asylum seekers are a problem to the country no matter what you say and no matter how much you glorify them.
Well, even crusaders have bad days I suppose...
He has no previous criminal record.
I took note of your advice, I believe you want to help me in writing in proper English language before I hit the submit button. If it’s ok for you I’ll send a draft to you before submitting my comments so that you can circle in red all the mistakes!!
But at least I get my message through with straight forward answers and opinions whilst you just focus in diverting the subject and trying to ridicule all the people who do not agree with your opinion…. But wait a second, we don’t know what is your opinion since you never gave one. You never came up with solutions albeit you are always against anybody else’s comments.
Ms. Vella, please do not send my grades to my mummy because she might spank me ;(
However, I must admit that your tactic in evading certain questions and comments is noteworthy.
You deserve a medal, and not only for your tireless crusade in the name of illegals, but also for the manner in which you tried to slip out of that one.
let us not come into illegal immigrants discussions - that is another issue that the authorities should tackle as it is also another simmering pot.
but on this issue let us keep out dark/light or whatever skin one might bear..
The question is not whether is is an illegal immigrant or not, the crime is that of rape, the other crime is illegal immigration. Fr the second he spent 18months in the detention, for the first if he is found guilty will spend time locked up too.
Maltese crime does exist too you know, it is just easier to rant about this because it is a foreigner.
Ivan Magro Dingli: There's no need to apologise. You haven't hurt my feelings. However, you might wish to buy yourself a dictionary.
I had to share a room with a refugee when I was at the old hospital, which more or less helped me understand their plight more. But then, since my childhood I have had exposure to foreigners of all colours and shapes, so xenophobia is not in my blood...
Notwithstanding, if this person has committed a crime, I sure hope that the law takes care of that with a a just verdict, albeit I do not have much trust in the law myself...
There have been views of every kind here - and I cannot really fault anyone for their opinion, for which they have a right. None of the contributors are fools and since they live in Malta and could somehow be affected by this influx of foreigners, they should not shut up. Those who find these blogs so revolting or repellent, should simply direct their reading elsewhere.
Or is this another paradigm of democracy - speak only as long as you agree with me and you don't step on anyone's foot that I would not step on?
@Emilio Calleja: so what do they consider you to be in London, then - white? Or just another bloody foreigner? No prizes for guessing.
@M Schembri: I'm patronising and rude? Just look at the comments below for some fine examples of shockingly patronising (towards all those who are different) and abysmally rude attitudes. The trouble with so many of the people posting comments here is not such their sheer and utter ignorance, but their coarseness and their inability to distinguish between acceptable and unacceptable behaviour, except in Africans, of course.
The most obvious explanation is the one most likely to be true: no need to hazard a wild guess as to what these three women in Ta' Xbiex really were. Maybe he thought they were making a pass at him, couldn't believe his luck, and then couldn't pay. I work in the area (not as a streetwalker, I hasten to add) and so I am not going to take this report at face value. After all, I drive past 'women from Ta' Xbiex' several times a day.
I am so sorry to have hurt your feelings. This blog is about a rapist but you have to focus your energy on a detail of so little importance only because I made a two word comment!! You are utterly unbelievable and I keep on sustaining that comment.
For your information, my full name is Ivan Magro Dingli and I pass comments on these blogs using I. M. Dingli just for the convenience of not writing each time my full name. I have no reason to hide my identity or name since I’m just putting forward my opinion.
For once I have to share DCGs comment, that is, that you are a fool.
I hope the editor will display this comment since I have a lot of comments which are censored.
We all heard about the cases you mentioned, at least I did...err why should we shut up? isn't like shutting up condoning these crimes? I think you were just tired & just made a statement...not usual for you not to elaborate further with whatever logic you call in.
I have always admired your outspoken articles but now I have an alternative opinion about you. To call other readers fools just becuase they think otherwise than you think makes me sick.
Professionely one does not expect that kind of language from you to call other readers such ajectives
I'm not on a crusade regarding Africans, or any other foreigners,except of course those who start life in Malta by breaking the laws of the country from the moment they set foot here.
What strikes me as odd is that you tell me that crime is the problem, and yet, these people, just like the blonde Eastern Europeans who stay here once their visa expires(just in case you were planning to use the rascist card), are entering our country illegally.
Now, in my book, you're either against crime or for it, and in case you mention it, I know the different between refugees and ILLEGAL immigrants..
In Malta, if a Maltese citizen has a criminal record, he might even get impeded from obtaining a job, as his record would follow him around. In the case of the illegals, we do not know if they have a record, since they conveniently lost their passports.....Two weights two measures?, Reverse Racism?
Yes, the truth is that we are faced with an influx of potential criminals...Potential criminals that for reasons only known to yourself, you do your best to defend.
There is also a lot of discourse about how ‘unsafe’ Marsa and Hal Far have become. Someone even asked if anyone would let his/her daughter walking at Marsa after 21 00. Well I would ask: would someone have let his daughter walking in Albert Town (where there is the open center) after 21 00 even before 2005, when there was not even one immigrant living there? Surely not. However even the Maltese who emigrated to the USA, Canada and Australia had to face this style of thinking. Like other migrant groups in these countries Maltese were seen as the ‘uncivilised’ who where ‘filthy’, ‘full of disease’ and with a tendency to ‘rape’.
I, together with my girlfriend go to Marsa and Hal Far frequently and I must say that not for a minute I ever felt threatened. But from these comments we can see the tendency of wanting to blame probems we face on particular groups, be it the African immigrants, single mothers or the shipyard workers.
I do not provide 'continued support of a situation', as you say. That's a rather serious accusation, but I'll put it down to a poor grasp of logic. My take on the matter is that this is a problem without an immediate solution and so it has to be coped with for as long as it lasts. Panic mongering will not solve any problems.
Dear Daphne, Malta should be so proud of you! You are the only being in Malta who is so wise, intelligent, beautiful, infallible a nd perfect! We are all fools! You are the odd one out!
First of all stop being so patronising and so rude just because other people have a different opinion from your own. There is no need to call anybody a fool and tell them to shut up, we are just trying to have an adult mature conversation, so no need for name calling.
Second I repeat what I said before, yes people in Malta do commit crimes, like everywhere else in the world for that matter, but this man has been in Malta for 2 years, has no identification as has been living off tax payer's money for all this time - the Maltese people have been generous with him, and offered him shelter, and how does he repay us, by rape? And don't come talking about the innocent until proven guilty as he already confessed to one of the rapes.
@Amanda Mallia: Exactly my sentiments. Curious about them all being from Ta Xbiex. Meanwhile I don't see why you have to say that you're not trying to defend the man. What is wrong in defending someone who is presumed innocent?
I do not 'support' the situation you describe. My take on the matter is that this is a problem with no immediate solution and so it has to be coped with for as long as it lasts. I am not taking any decisions on the matter, nor do I gain anything from immigration, much less do I organise it, so it is useless to be angry at what I think and say.
I.M. DIngli: If you presume to address a person by her first name even when you do not know her, you could at least have the good manners to state your own first. Then again, perhaps that is too much to expect of someone who feels the need to declare that he is 'against rape'.
To call everybody fools! except youself is .........
Yes of course these Maltese men committed these atrocious acts but this does not justify anbody who is not Maltese, illegal immigrant or not, raping anybody, which ever part of Malta they come from.
It beats me how anyone can can interpret my comment as trying to justify RAPE!
I simply stated facts about the reality of the situation.
Unfortunately those who defend this surge of men on this small island do so through idealistic spectacles!
My comment is shocking because i said what others think and fear but do not say and i think this is why you rushed to the wrong conclusion.
What I am saying is that this could be the tip of a very ugly iceberg.
There are various reasons why action needs to be taken. This is another one and a serious one at that.
Oh dear, tent city may soon be larger than Rabat if the fate that has befallen Lampedusa is anything to go by ?
Yes, there will be crime and consternation but little that anyone can do about it. If Malta was not in the E.U. the "illegal immigrants" GPS systems would have taken them further north ?
Malta now has to take the "downside" of E.U. membership and come to terms with it.
Love it or leave it. !! That is what tourists will do ?
I live in Melbourne Australia. Which policy are you talking about? The one where illegal immigrants are held in custody for many years? Which one is working?
@ Edwin Mifsud: Bin Laden? Arriving on the next boat? Are you for real? I mean are you really worried that Bin Laden is going to try to enter Malta that way?
@ Jeremy Camilleri: Marsa, specifically the area around where the open centre is, has been a no-go zone for years before any Africans arrived. It was always a centre of prostitution, drug dealing and violence.
I do think violent behaviour transcends race, and we can look at the alleged action for what it really is, an alleged act of violence towards women reputable or otherwise. However is the press being solicited not to report nationality in such cases as this is what, not news worthy, unethical, morally unacceptable, breeds mistrust, paranoia, xenophobia etc, etc ?
'These things are bound to happen' my foot. They enter here illegal, unwanted (now and ever), and now we justify rape, 'cause they cannot pay for services'. They want our cake and eat it. If Maltese girls don't want to have anything to do with them, they have to restrain themselves or be restrained. If they want, its there business. But here, we are the boss.
Or I have a better idea. Try convincing a female relative of yours into free service D. Fenech.
Rapes are rapes by whoever are committed, but they are more cynical when they are committed by unwanted guests.
Maltese will never stand to these things. As Norman Lowell used to say 'vedremo delle belle', should these things become the norm.
"Dont try again".
First of all, don't call people fools, everybody is entitled to his/her opinion as you are. What if this happened to you or your daughter or grand daughter? Maltese are not perfect either but I think that Malta has enough of it's own to worry about. These illegals or poor souls as you might call them are mostly young men with sexual needs and as an educated person you know they have urges which they can't exactly control. You know where it's going to end up so please don't call anybody fools, I think Maltese mothers and fathers have every right to express concern and they are entitled to express their frustrations openly.
So you are saying you don't mind if someone rapes one of your family members, just as long as hes a Horny Teenager. You need serious help dude.
Also, we have enough rapes, murders and sick crap in this country (as correctly pointed out by DCG).. We Don't need to Import this kind of crap, especially from people who should be showing us respect and gratitude for saving them from certain death.
We should be importing Skilled Workers; we should never condone rape, black or white, because next time it could be your family member or you.
@Amanda Mallia: Good Point, actually what you are saying could be true, and he wouldn't have raped, but refused to pay. Which is a totally different story and actually kind of makes more sense than some Rapist targeting one area, that happens to be near a Red light district. He could be the Victim here. Well done Amanda Great thinking.
We have the right to voice and fight for our rights. After all this is our country. We and our ancestors have taken dacades to cultivate these small islands with great loyalty and dignity. And there is much more that has to be done. The problem here is that these circumstances are slowing down our pace to develop our country and make it better for our own children.
how right you are!
@Daphne Caruana Galizia
why don't you shut up? you are the fool for not realising or not wanting to realise the burden these people inflict on a country.
I have lived in london for several years. you don't send a 7 foot bodybuilder alone to the shops for a pint of milk at night. white people who married black people in brixton dont go out alone if they dont have their black baby or partner with them.
i am not an enoch powell supporter, but i sympathise with him. HE WAS RIGHT.
For every crime committed by an immigrant there have to be 40 such crimes committed by Maltese for the per capita rate to remain equal. You still have to mention another 25 cases to achieve parity. Incidentally this is not the first rape to occur. A month ago a man was raped in Mosta. There were several others. The french student. The Japanese student. The two swedes. The Maltese in the Floriana carpark. I could go on.
No we will not shut up. That's what you hope we will do but we will not. Our freedom and liberty is at stake. Like your respect for other peoples opinions.
You know, I have them too yet I'm not an illegal immigrant, but I won't tolerate discrimination!! So suggest us a solution! I'm bouncing with urge because I've always perfectly adhere to our laws! Are you suggestion I shouldn't??
Now, whilst I have made it clear what I think about this continual influx of potential criminals, seeing that they do not have any identification, and as such we can never be sure what they are running away from,, what AMANDA MALLIA has written does strike a chord.
So I suggest that everyone cools off and waits for the verdict....
So to the home grown scum we have to add the foreign scum.
but since it is foreign, it must be exotic and good for us according to your faulty logic.
I repeat, I am NOT trying to defend this man, but it strikes me as odd that the women all hail from the same area. The news report did not state where the alleged rape/attempted rapes took place, but saw fit to state the alleged victims' homeown.
"These men, most of them quite young have their natural sexual needs. I hope nobody is suggesting that they remain celibate! "
This is a shocking comment. Are you trying to justify their actions simply because they're Africans - lest anyone calls you a racist? These people shouldn't be here in the first place. The least they can do is behave!!
These people need more help. Anybody ???.
Yes why shouldn't we?. Maybe we need to *borrow* the Australian Politicians on this one.... everything else seems to be going sooooooo perfectly on this island otherwise!! Or not? sigh...
"These men, most of them quite young have their natural sexual needs. I hope nobody is suggesting that they remain celibate! "
WHAT D.FENECH ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT THIS MAKES IT OK?
There is NO doubt, that every society has its deviants. I think there is no argument as to the fact that every country has trouble contolling its criminals etc,
In Malta, apart for our already obvious problem of home grown criminals, present in every society, we are getting lumped with imported criminals...People possibly SENT from their own countries, as most of the time we have no idea of their history.
This is not a problem of skin colour, but of people entering Malta ILLEGALLY. Now if people like Corinne Vella have decided to make a crusade in favour of Africans, so be it.
I think they might even need more of her passion in AFrica. Isn't that where the main problem is?
One fact is for sure, I challenge anyone to send his daughter or wife for a walk around Hal Far or Marsa after 21 00.
These men, most of them quite young have their natural sexual needs. I hope nobody is suggesting that they remain celibate! But if these men come empty handed and supposedly from desperate financial conditions, How are they expected to pay for these services??????
what you suggest is that
they are free to rape???????
or the goverment pay for for them to have have sex????
NO! we are not safe with the Maltese criminals around.
So your arguing that because we have some Maltese criminals we should tolerate crime from Ilegals?
What would you say if Bin Laden was on the next boat load?
The truth is that this is another crime we could have done without and it only happened because Malta was so Christian to it's fellow brother.
Having said that it seem Mr. Trabulé has aparently not yet been proven guilty.
Scandinavia has a huge problem with rapes. Most are commited by immigrants.
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/62173.html
The only reason why you do not hear any racist comments is that if you voice your opinion in Sweden you are sent to jail.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003436.php
This was judged to be racist, a man commenting on gang rapes by immigrants in Sweden
"I don’t think I am alone in feeling sick when reading about how Swedish girls are raped by immigrant hordes."
Yet the rapes continue and are hidden from the public eye.
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html
You may feel disgusted but at least in Malta we can still express our opinion.
and there lies the biggest problem. these people have a totally different culture to ours and this will eventually create trouble. the huge numbers coming in are not able to integrate into our society. they are creating enclaves and ghettoes which are turning into no go areas . in a country the size of malta in a matter of a few years these will become countries within a country.
Tent dump is more like it!
Have any of these wise individuals who preach to us visited the Tent Dump in Hal Far lately or worse the Marsa Ghetto!
Sometimes I think that these people walk around wearing rose tinted glasses!
Could it be because reality hurts ???????
Sweden and Malta are totally different in alot of ways.
In the 1950's and 60's immigrants were welcomed with open arms because they were much needed labourers at the time......Malta do not need them as labourers here at all.
The area where we live is different too.Sweden has almost 174,000 square miles of land and Malta has 95 square miles.
Malta is the 8th most densely populated country in the world whereas Sweden is the 150h most densely populated.......there is a difference.
If you were to come back to Malta today i think you will find that alot of people's opinions have changed regarding abortion and divorce and no we do not think Sweden are the sons of satan.....it's their country...let them do as they wish.
It is getting overcrowded here and we do not have the resources to support thousands of immigrants like maybe Sweden does.
If most of these immigrants made a contribution to society then maybe it would be more acceptable,but until then we must be careful to watch how many we allow here otherwise we will finish up like the UK.................. and believe me....... we dont want to finish up like them.
Exactly! that goes to show that the people who are worried about this influx of migrants are not racists. you said it yourself. the african players are not posing a threat to our country. any one who poses a threat be they black, white, yellow or purple with orange dots should be opposed.
Neither is it relevant to mention that the alleged rapist is African from the Ivory Coast.
A rapist is a rapist wherever he comes from.
Whether the rape actually took place is for the courts of law to decide and not for me or us to judge.
However, in my opinion, this incident highlights the fact that Malta is now occupied by a large number of men , who have entered our island illegally. These men, most of them quite young have their natural sexual needs. I hope nobody is suggesting that they remain celibate!
Incidents like these, if this alleged rape did take place, are bound to happen.
Together with many other Maltese I too have noted that there are women and men ready to offer their services to them. But if these men come empty handed and supposedly from desperate financial conditions, How are they expected to pay for these services??????
This is another angle to the desperate problem this surge of illegal immigrants is having on our island.
It's true, one can't blame all africans for this crime but we can blame most of them for the crime of entering a country without any documents! something maltese didn't do when they emigrated to other countries.
No one here is saying that rape was invented when the first African stepped onto Maltese soil. Yes it is true that rape is also committed by Maltese people but the truth of the matter is that we are giving these refugees everything we can and instead of saying thank you they cause harm to the same people that are trying to help them. Now i'm in favour of charity and helping these refugees but I get really angry when my generosity is payed back by such alleged actions. And so goes for the rest of the people who say that Maltese people are racists, maybe we are, but we are also betrayed by the people who we are trying to help. There are always two sides of the story!
I just want to clearly state that I am completely against rape be it perpetrated by Maltese or Non-Maltese citizens. I consider this act worst than murder since you actually kill the victim morally but she/he is left living like a zombie.
Welcome back! My dear friend, the person in question admitted to one rape already as stated by the police.... but i guess you don't trust the police any longer ... correct?
the maltese were never refugees. they emmigrated to the UK/USA/AUS because they were urged to do so by the British government to help ease the burden that WW2 inflicted on the worlds biggest empire. maltese had a right to live and work in the UK, as we were a colony.
who invited the migrants to malta? we never colonised nations, we never subsidised the fare for migrants to come to malta.
back in the 80s, the then metropolitan police chief said that the maltese invasion of london was a joke in comparison to what the africans are going to do. and we all know many maltese based in london were far from model citizens. how right he was. just take a look at london now. men cant even walk the streets alone never mind women and children. the police dont even patrol brixton, let alone how a white man can walk there.
These migrants are exhausting us to the tip of our nose. We have clearly seen how smart you are. Don't invent any other excuses - JUST LEAVE OUR COUNTRY....
What can people who are persecuted by their government do about not having papers?
What can the Somalis do? That country has no government... there is noone to collect taxes, let alone issue ID papers.
"at the end remember that every one have his own behaviour".
He means that, as his African compatriot is here in Malta, we have to accept his behaviour. Common sense should tell tafere bezabih that once in Malta everyone should obey Maltese laws and customs. Is that too much to ask for?
Open your mind, and see facts for facts, and then we can start finding ways to minimise the differences, but realise that there is no solution to accommodate everyone, and everyone has rights whether foreigners or not.
I wonder whether most of the people with their racists comments below cheer their favourite football team every week-end, knowing that included in the squads of their favourite team there are Africans and Arabs, some being the main stars of the game.
Maltese immigrants were never refugees and they certainly did not emigrate to other countries ILLEGALLY. Get your facts straight.
Whether he is an immigrant or a Maltese, the crime that he is being accused of is the same and thus he should be treated in the same manner.
Don't come saying that he's a rapist - if he is that, he still has to stand trial - because he's an immigrant. There are so many Maltese rapists.
Don't come telling me that Maltese have the right to rape, and immigrants don't.
So ....
The man is an illegal alien, no more no less. There are 3800 kilometers from Ivory Coast to Malta with many stable countries in between. By no stretch of the imagination can he ever be granted refugee status. Come to think of it not even one illegal immigrant is technically entitled to refugee status because none of them come DIRECT from their country where they claim persecution.
The way the situation is rapidly degenerating it will soon be hell for both Maltese and Africans.
I’m sorry but it doesn’t make so much difference to the victims whether he is an asylum seeker or whatever.
We have a lot of these cases of rape involving African people so it isn’t just one person
Maltese people were NEVER refugees as you state (go check you history books before putting words to your mouth about that issue)
He admitted to one case in a police statement (read the article carefully next time)
How come a Maltese man's identity is withheld and a foreigner's identity is revealed. What if this guy is innocent as happened with a Libyan man falsley accused of raping a woman in Floriana a few years back....if my memory serves me right i even recall the Times plastering his face (and name) on the front page. If that is not racist treatment in regards to certain foreigners then nothing really is.
You are clearly concerned about fairness. Where is the fairness in someone entering your country without providing identification?
"In-nisa huma kollha Maltin u huma minn Ta' Xbiex fejn allegatament seħħew ir-reati."
at the end remeber that every one have his own behaviour
I am not against or in favour of illegal immigrants as I am not against or in favour of Maltese citizens. What I do believe, however, is that both Maltese and foreigners should be treated as equals and neither race or nationality, call it what you will, is superior or more equal than the other. If found guilty by the proper authorities this man should face the full and appropriate criminal punishment which is equal to that given to a Maltese citizen. If we believe that foreigners deserve more severe punishments than the Maltese do, or vice-versa, than I cannot but voice my concern.
The remedy, give them their own districts, dole offices, churches/temples, also to make them no go areas for the nationals. Sound about right, because this is the way Malta is heading. Oh and their own community policing.
There will be many but it is not the first.
Howabout a facebook group like the one for Transport?
I came here to retire on my own support because Malta was a safe country, not much crime and a pleasure to walk about in the hot evenings. Not any more!!! They are destroying your country and will eventually kill tourism, therefore your income and gentle reputation.
We already have a problem, in my opinion, of an ever increasing group of uncivilised Maltese people who do not know how to behave as civilized people should in a society. And by civilised I do not only mean not to shout and swear in public. Now we are adding to these people a couple of uncivilized sub-Sahara individuals.
Must take a long time to assess ILLEGALS. What now keep him in prison, at the tax payer's expense or go through a trial and maybe deport him. Once again at the tax payer's expense. Only to come back on another Holiday.