Dutch prisoner claims he was beaten up by six, not four wardens

victor vella

Aug 26th 2008, 21:02

And a child rapist is not named

Neil Dent

Aug 25th 2008, 21:29

Right or wrong, for who or for whom! FAR too much attention is being afforded to this drug dealer.Never would I condone violence in any means or form by those in some position of relative authority - let me be clear before those 'holier than thou' among us start mounting their high horses - but this guy from the lowlands is just too much!If I may comment Mr. Farrugia, I too hope that this situation would never befall my own son (or daughter), yet more importantly, I hope that it will never be my children who fall victim to the brand of DEATH being peddled by this nonchalantly arrogant and callous individual.Let justice be served where due, tp ALL parties deserving of such, and let's remove the undue importance being given to this sorry being.

Joseph Vassallo

Aug 25th 2008, 21:27

Mr Farrugia, please don't mix up your issues. This has nothing to do with crosses or medallions. If you want to advocate being a do-gooder you have every right to do so. If you don't wish to have other opinions, don't ask the questions. Are you denying that many children are growing up without the fundemental right to parental guidance? If you are denying that, you are not accepting reality as it manifests itself into wayward children looking for an alternative way of life through mood-changing drugs including excessive alcohol use. Have you ever seen a 14-y-o alcoholic on a bender? They exist and please don't doubt it.

I really don't see any pertinence in your quotations whilst in this context. God helps those who help themselves and if you bring up your children with utmost respect for authority (be it secular or religious) then your children will remain faithful to their upbringing and there is no case for onyone to fall in the "kaza".

Franco Farrugia

Aug 25th 2008, 20:25

@ Mr Joseph Vassallo - Did you ever hear the saying: 'There go but I without the grace of God!'

Or, in Maltese, 'Min m'ghandux salib, ghandu domna' or 'Min jitkaza, jaqa' fil-kaza.'.....

Joseph Vassallo

Aug 25th 2008, 18:38

I think if this were my son he would not be in prison because I would not have abrogated my parental responsibilities and allowed him to grow of wild and out of control. Too many parents are happily enjoying frivolous lifestyles and allowing their children to grow up feral without respect for authority or standards. Most of them then try to cover up their negligence by over-indulging their badly-behaved children causing even more problems.

If Toornstra was violent to start with, the wardens can only be charged with using excessive force and I for one will not shed any tears of sympathy for a violent prisoner.

Let the process continue but let's not enter a witchhunt state against these wardens because they can only fight violence with violence, if that was the case. I wouldn't like to do their job with my hands tied behind my back.

Franco Farrugia

Aug 25th 2008, 15:13

@ Joseph Caruana - There are ways and ways how to instil discipline in the Prisons.
From what we learn over the news, AND FROM WHAT YOU ADMIT YOURSELF, I don't think there's much discipline being kept, in spite of the fact that there is bullying and violence going on!!!!

In a democracy, everyone is answerable and everyone has to work within the parameters of the law. Otherwise, we might as well start having the law of the jungle.

If a warden is not up to it, or is breaking down, or burnt out, he should resign or ask for a transfer. But breaking that same law that s/he has the responsibility to see that it is upheld, NEVER.

So, according to you, let them be abused and mistreated ... etc... What if he were your own son?!

t. borg

Aug 25th 2008, 15:10

Can anybody tell me why these prison wardens were being kept under arrest? Is it because they might have escaped the country? Speak with witnesses or the supposed victim? Preventing from what? Can anyone tell me? Please I am waiting.

Joseph Caruana

Aug 25th 2008, 14:51

@ Joseph Schembri

And god knows how many poor wardens' souls are mistreated and abused verbally or otherwise by the inmates they have to work with day in day out.

Please stop victimising prisoners as if they are angels walking on earth. In this case we are talking about a convicted drug trafficker who even had the cheek to receive drugs while he was in prison.

Toornstra had his chances to live decently and he blew them time and again. You can't really blame anyone if someone with such a character ends up with a band-aid while in prison.

Joseph Schembri

Aug 25th 2008, 13:46

Only God knows how many poor souls are mistreated (to put it mildly) by those whose work is to avoid such mistreatment.