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Some youngsters sceptical about being given the vote

MŻPN, AD in favour of lower voting age for local elections

Sixteen-year-olds may be too young to vote, a number of young people told The Times yesterday when asked about Labour Leader Joseph Muscat's proposal to lower the voting age on a trial basis in local elections.

Dr Muscat wrote in his opinion column in The Times yesterday that it is high time to further empower young people, adding that local council elections would be the ideal testing ground for a progressive policy which lowers the voting age by two years. He said the aim would be to strengthen our democracy.

"I think that the rejuvenation of our electorate and the direct participation of more young people will lead to less partisan and more sensible politics. Young people have fewer preconceptions and want a more objective debate."

Contacted yesterday, Junior College Students Council president Adam Karl Farrugia pointed out that giving 16-year-olds the vote would be like granting additional votes to parents.

Younger teenagers, he argued, would be more likely to vote as their parents do, lacking the maturity or background to make their own political decisions.

"In a democracy, one's voting power should not depend on the number of children one has," he said.

The proposal by Dr Muscat should be analysed thoroughly and only introduced if it is found to be helpful for democracy, he added.

His concerns were echoed by a number of youngsters.

Beppe Degiorgio, 16, said people his age would only mirror their parents in their voting patterns.

"At 16, you don't really know what you like in life, let alone who to vote for," he said. Gianella Xerri, who will turn 16 next month, said although lowering the voting age may be a good idea, it might also be risky.

"While young people should have a say in politics, I don't think people my age are mature enough to take such decisions and are more prone to be influenced, especially by their parents."

Another teenager, Nikol Pulis, believes the voting age should remain as it is, arguing that 16-year-olds are still too young to vote.

"At 18, people tend to be more educated and more mature," she said.

Younger people are more likely to be biased and rather than form an opinion, would vote in the same way their parents do.

"Older people are more likely to be open-minded," she said.

However, she continued, if the voting age were to be lowered, she would vote since she believes it would be her duty to do so.

On the other hand, the Nationalist Party's Youth Movement is in favour of lowering the voting age for local council elections. MŻPN president Mathieu Cilia said the council had discussed the issue earlier this year.

In fact, MŻPN spokesman Frank Psaila had written in an opinion piece in The Times in March saying that young people usually lose interest in politics because they feel useless in their role as political spectators.

It was unacceptable, he wrote, that while 16- and 17-year-olds pay taxes, they cannot decide what their money should be used for.

Alternattiva Demokratika, the Green Party said it had made the proposal last February and the party would be repeating it in its position paper on local councils' reform which will be presented to the government shortly.

Party spokesman Robert Callus said involving young people in the democratic process earlier would make them feel they are contributing in a more direct manner to the country's democratic development.

Both the Local Councils Association and the University Students Council (KSU) said they would be evaluating the proposal.

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Philp Dupuis (on 20/8/08)
A certain Mr. Saliba wrote: The Prime Minister is (sic) busy ensuring that by 2010 we will have a budget that will be the envy of almost all the EU states.
Comment: That is why the Prime Minister is oblivious of to-day; of what is happening to-day. He couldn't give a damn. He is working on the 2010 Budget!
August 2008 -December 2010 are to be left blank. They do not exist on everybody’s calendar; or rather they have been obliterated from Gonzi calendar. How much we would appreciate to have 18 months deducted from our life, that means we all become 18 months younger. It would be like a repeat of the Gregorian calendar That is why Maltese Ladies are so fanatic about Gonzipn.
The apex is that Malta, thanks to Gonzi (if he is still there - in power I mean) will be the exemplary state where one can decide to live. The best state of the EU.
And some people look for fanatics elsewhere!
I. M. Dingli (on 20/8/08)
Mela dear John Saliba…. Dr. Muscat has been appointed leader of the Opposition for a couple of months so far while Dr. Gonzi has been in power not only as leader of the PN but also in Government for about 5 years (I hope you agree to that).

You critize Dr. Muscat for not making any new suggestions not pertaining already to the PN manifesto, ok, so what is best… a leader who doesn’t come up with new, fresh ideas or a leader and PM of a country who comes up with ideas which are never implemented even though he has the power to do so?!? Promises, promises, promises…. Bla bla bla… what shall we do, give him another 20 years in order to implement 30% of the manifesto?

As per your opinion, MLP leadership is stupid and has been stupid for the past 20 years so how would you expect Dr. Muscat to make miracles in 2 months? He’s a stupid man! Can’t pretend intelligent things from stupid guys, sewwa?
D.Micallef (on 19/8/08)
The title of the article uses the word SCEPTICAL... with a couple of individuals expressing their scepticism about the issue... whilst the subtitle mentions two organisations speaking in favour...

what's the agenda? why emphasize the scepticism if the 3 political parties (including the 2 major ones) are agreeing on this?
Bernard Pollacco (on 19/8/08)
i as a 16 year old would like to have the right to vote for @ least the local council elections this has a very big advantage as who voted for the first time @ the the elections might have found it on how to vote but if this comes in it will help them for the elections 2-3 years later

WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE !!!!!
eric saliba (on 19/8/08)
@ john saliba. so you don't hate joseph muscat?? man you are so blinded with hatred that you don't even know it. you think that calling joseph 'kid' you are complimenting the labour leader?? for your info joseph is a hard working and very well respected MEP.
sorry but i will not bother wasting space answering your spiteful comments since you do not seem capable of decent opinions.
get a life man or better still go to hell!!
Luke Vella (on 19/8/08)
Before they give me the right to vote give me a variety of people to vote to not always the same old timers. If next year i will be able to vote i would just throw my vote away because i can noit elect people who are younger than 21 and thus who can voice our opinion and a local level and on a national level.

CAN WE LOWER THE AGE AT WHICH PEOPLE CAN CONTEST ELECTION!!!!!
John Saliba (on 19/8/08)
Again socialist mentality, mentioning only half truths. Mr. B. Borg, due to lack of space did not mention that the Prime Minister made it clear that Muscat's proposals were all issues raised by the Government in a letter addressed to Sant, which was ignored by the MLP. By the way, I stand by what I said on July 6. Immature and his Party have not contributed positively to anything of substance and the MLP is still sitting on the fence... a good example is the dockyard issue.
John Saliba (on 19/8/08)
No Eric, I do not hate Joseph, I do not even know the kid. However, you must accept that if he wants to be in the hot seat, he must take the heat.
Why should I condemn the MZPN? They have been party to the electoral victory. Do I have to remind you of the University outcome. Your electoral defeat report stated that your youth were not organized. Ours, thanks to the MZPN, were. I'm sure that youv'e noticed their enthusiasm at PN Mass Meetings.
We do express our differences in public - ours is a democatic party. I do not agree that under 18s should vote this is a policy matter. But. for example, none of us will be in favour of nationalization as that is a matter of principle.
Please accept one fact: I and practically all Nationalist are glad that Mr. Immature is Labour's new leader. Before we were extremely happy with Sant as MLP leader, but now we are more than thrilled with Mr. Inexperience as Supremo, Gosh, I have only realized now. If half of Labour's supporters were to follow logic instead of their heart, the MLP would lose 50% of its support.
Liam Kelly (on 19/8/08)
.......anyway back to the origional topic kids!

@ B. Borg. Your comment is so far off topic its beggers the question did you even read the origional article or did u just think 'right, i feel like some Gonzi bashing'? :D
Ivin Bonello (on 19/8/08)

I am 16 years old and like the politicos from all parties now say, I would like to vote at 16.

But not only vote. If I am mature enough to vote, why not drive at 16 as well?

Why not drink at 16 as well?

Most people want to stop us drinking at 16 and now in Paceville you can't even carry a bottle in the street.

And why not have sex at 16? Do you 18+ 'adults' out there know that if you have sex with one of us who is 16 or 17 it's a crime and they will jail you and call you a paedophile?

So why the vote only?

I think this is a sop for us 16-year olds.

Sort of: don't let them drink... close all clubs early... don't let them drive... if someone has sex with them call him/her a paedo... but as for the vote... well, yes... we can give them something so that they don't grumble...

Do you people out there really believe it's the vote 16-year olds want?

Halluna!!!

Get a life!!!
B.Borg (on 19/8/08)
@ John Saliba

John, Let me remind you last month, on 6th July, Joseph Muscat came out with a number of proposals to strengthen democracy. When this news made headlines, you was the first who criticise Joseph Muscat for this, quote you “JM, due to his lack of experience and maturity, is trying to sit on the fence on all the hot issues. Instead, the MLP are prepared to discuss with government the transparency of political party finances; the regulation of activities of a caretaker government prior a general election; the resources available to MPs; amendments to the electoral law; and the impartiality of PBS.”

Later on the 9th July, the Prim Minister suggested “to set up of a Parliamentary Select Committee to seek common ground between the government and the opposition on legislative amendments to strengthen democracy”. Citing from The Times “Introducing the Freedom of Information Bill in second reading, Dr Gonzi said the committee - to be made up of three MPs from each side of the House - would discuss the points raised in the recent exchange of correspondence between MLP leader Joseph Muscat and himself”.

Again here you criticised Joseph Muscat.

Sorry NO more space
I. M. Dingli (on 19/8/08)
Mela dear John Saliba…. Dr. Muscat has been appointed leader of the Opposition for a couple of months so far while Dr. Gonzi has been in power not only as leader of the PN but also in Government for about 5 years (I hope you agree to that).

You critize Dr. Muscat for not making any new suggestions not pertaining already to the PN manifesto, ok, so what is best… a leader who doesn’t come up with new, fresh ideas or a leader and PM of a country who comes up with ideas which are never implemented even though he has the power to do so?!? Promises, promises, promises…. Bla bla bla… what shall we do, give him another 20 years in order to implement 30% of the manifesto?

As per your opinion, MLP leadership is stupid and has been stupid for the past 20 years so how would you expect Dr. Muscat to make miracles in 2 months? He’s a stupid man! Can’t pretend intelligent things from stupid guys, sewwa?
eric saliba (on 19/8/08)
@ john saliba. sorry i meant changed your tone not tune. your comments show personal hatred against anything labour. you have every right to have different opinions but do you really need to be so spiteful as regards joseph muscat??
i still have not read your condemnation of MZPN saying they too are in favour. same goes for AD.
and if you're so sure that these youngsters will vote for gonzipn why do you fear this proposal so much? anyway joseph suggested they vote in local council elections and we see from there whether to proceed further.
don't you think that using these youngsters for party propaganda purposes is actually exploiting them??
btw other EU members are going down the same road. or are we european just in name??
Jeremy J Camilleri (on 19/8/08)
U ejja Mr John Saliba HMV..

Critisice the MZPN president for proposing such a stupid etc etc...ok you can continue to come up with your own adjectives...
For Example..... and I'll quote...
'Shame, birds of a feather flock together. This kid is trying to associate himself with children who probably have his level of experience.
Poor Joseph, his political immaturity shows'

You just need to cut and paste yesterday's comments but erase Joseph Muscat(something you might even enjoy) and paste in the name Mathieu Cilia....

Now what if the Prime Minister agreed with this proposal?

Same procedure....

...oh my oh my...what a problem that would cause poor old John.....
John Saliba (on 19/8/08)
Dear Mr. Borg, it seems that you did not understand what I wrote. I asked one and all to mention one issue that he came up with since he became leader (I did say "under his leadership) that has some sort of national benefit; which was not, I repeat, was not included in the PN's manifesto. "Sorry mate, you failed to mention one and, by the way, I.M. Dingli also failed to come up with one.
If it gives anybody satisfaction to hear me criticize the PN, here I go. I disagree with government in not insisting with the police to take legal action against Meilaq for inciting violence. In my opinion such tolerance could be dangerous to our democracy.
I. M. Dingli (on 19/8/08)
@ John Saliba

There is quite a difference between promising things and actually implementing them. It is very easy to say a thing out loud just to attract people’s attention; I can say that as from tomorrow I will pay Malta’s debt (can you deny that? I might be a multi-billionaire).

Dr. Gonzi promised a lot of things to all classes but how many did he really implement? You mentioned the manifesto, can you please check it out thoroughly and verify what has been done. I can go as far as to invite you to even check the manifesto of the 2003 election. But please substantiate your arguments if you choose to elaborate the subject and not just throw things left right and centre because it won’t do you any good!
Jeremy J Camilleri (on 19/8/08)
ah....but I must admit...John Saliba is so tempting....

Ok....I can't resist.....

Rather than praising Labour, I d love to see him critiscise the Pn.....

Lets start with the MZPN president....

Ejja, Johnsalliba...Kuragg...call him the same names you called Joseph Muscat...its the same issue you see.....

and once again...the blue eyed zombie shuffled on....
A.Borg (on 19/8/08)
@ John Saliba

Let me restrict myself to just 3 initiatives taken up by Joseph Muscat, to which the Government dragged (or is still dragging) its feet on:

1) Departure Tax
2) Car Registration Tax
3) St.Luke's Hospital Incinerator

Other initiatives for the benefit of us all were: mobile phone roaming rates, satellite dish receiver licence, part-time workers' benefits, gozo helicopter subsidy, medicine registration and local council funding.

Need I say more?
John Saliba (on 19/8/08)
Since Mr. I.M. Dingli wants to know if I ever praise Labour, I am giving him the honour of hearing me singing Labour's praises. I wholeheartedly agree with leader of the MLP Dr. Joseph Muscat when he stated that now he is in favour of EU membership. I compliment him for admiting that the economy is doing well. I applaud his decission appoint a CEO to oversee Jason. He needs to be praised for admitting that SmartCity is to the benefit of the country. The only problem that I have with his leadership is that he has not come up with one positive proposal that is for the benefit of the nation. But maybe I am mistaken, can anyone mention one, just one proposal. that was not already included in the PN's manifesto? By the way I also compliment him for his stand on being pro privatization. Again, I might be mistaken, but wasn't the MLP pro nationalization?
E.Borg Bonello (on 19/8/08)
Nikol.......so we live in hope that in the near future, you will have a mind of YOUR own......so that you will feel a grown up and not tag your parents' opinion.....
I. M. Dingli (on 19/8/08)
Dear Mr. Saliba, by all means, everyone is entitled to his own opinion and I might agree with you that 16 year olds cannot be granted eligibility to vote in the General Elections but rather in the Local Council Elections (at least for the time being).

What bothers me a lot from your part is the fact that you only praise PN motions and god forbid if MLP sounds its voice. This is not a democratic way of discussing these matters but rather a blatant partisan approach, which in my opinion, is of hindrance to the well being of Malta.

That is the reason why myself and plenty of other individuals condemned your approach to the matter.
a formosa (on 19/8/08)
Not bothering John Saliba (he works at the main door in Gringotts),

I am doubtful whether Jessica Cilia is a true personality or else some other creature disguised as a sixteen-year old. Because if you would ask a five year old if s/he is mature or not, the answer would be "YES"!! But at least she feels that she's being used as a political football....

Instead of trying to emancipate herself, "Ms. Cilia" chooses to remain in the dark ages where children are locked into dungeons to learn "maths, malti u ingliz biss". Eventually she's supervised by other hopeless-minded persons such as the poor minded Adam and Nikol who tend to shoot at their feet.

So dear Mr. KSJC President, instead of encouraging students who if I'm not mistaken VOTED to you last December , who don't you lead to them to serious progress and proper change in mentality???? Before jumping to partisan statements which do not make any sense, you may have considered to discard all those votes cast by all those who are not mature enough at the Junior College. Obviously these are the votes which elected you as president.

Well done Mr.president (elected by immature students)...............
John Saliba (on 19/8/08)
Eric,What on earth make you conclude that I have changed my tune in 24 hours. I was and still am against 16 year old voting in a general election. I was and still am against 16 year old obtaining a driving licence. I was and still am in favour of our youngsters going for tertiary education instead of becoming councilors.
At least you admit that the youth were behind the PN (on trucks at Mass Meetings and posing with the Prime Minister). For your information the overall majority of youth remain inclined towards the PN's policies, principles and ideals,. Hence Joseph is trying to lure them to the leftist precipice by proposing the right to vote to 16 year olds and by claiming to want youngsters to be the MLP's decision makers. Watch it Joe, the mask has fallen.
This reply is also addressed to I.M. Dingli
Charles J Buttigieg (on 19/8/08)

@ All hot headed bloggers. Let’s grow up; it seems that some of us do not deserve a vote even though we are older than 16 year. What relevance who said it first has to the issue. God please give me some strength. If this were Joseph’s brainchild its ok for us reds and the blues are out to ridicule the idea, if Gonzo came out first then the blues would want it too and us reds will call it a stupid idea. Do we want our 16 year olds to vote or not? That is the question. No apologies for the hard terms because we do not deserve better. And to the Nationalist bloggers I ask them to desist from their irritating chorus to patronise us with their rhetoric “When will they change?” The whole lot of us need to change our childish attitude.........of course I’m not excluding myself! I’m made in Malta too aren’t I?
B.Borg (on 19/8/08)
Dear Jessica, please be sure that you have the same ability to vote as the other "grown-up" voters, trust me...the average voters do not cite Winston Churchill in their arguments. Your opinion will one day influence the future leadership of this country. So what is wrong if you may express your opinion who will manage some of the assets in your locality at your age?
Franco Farrugia (on 19/8/08)
@ A. Borg - Hello.... whoever you are, hehe.... I never mentioned the term 'mature enough'. I just said that 16-yr olds are too young to be inculcated with the 'partiggjanizmu' from that age. What you say, that you never discussed politics in my presence, ... is in itself one of the best certificates that I could get from a past student, since, given the political climate of Malta, I would never encourage such discussion within a classroom context. Take care and the best of luck to you. :-)
Jessica Cilia (on 19/8/08)
Dear Charles Saliba, thank you for expressing yourself regarding my view on the subject. I would like to inform you that in my opinion I’m a very mature 16 year old girl and am capable of taking a decision. I am not easily influenced and often go against typical teenage cultural behaviour. However when it comes to politics, I admit that I am not informed enough about the matter and am not ready to express my opinion by voting – an opinion that will influence the future leadership of my country for the coming years. As a result I (and probably many other teenagers) will probably end up expressing my parents political believes, not because I’m stupid, easily influenced or have low self-esteem as others have suggested but because I am not willing and am not ready to choose between two evils (referring to the local political parties) at this stage of my life. And as once the famous British politician Winston Churchill said: “Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.”
Jeremy J Camilleri (on 19/8/08)
Dear James Attard....

Regarding your coment...
'Read some young people's comments on Maltese blogs.
They're slanging matches, name-calling and vulgar tirades
with no, absolutely no consideration of others.'
Same happens here...and not everyone writing is exactly a spring chicken.
Does that mean that anyone who resorts to slanging matches and vulgar tirades should not be allowed to vote?..

Damn..That would even rule some of our politicians out....

As for your other points...well...its the same argument really...football...waterpolo..the majority of the people responsible are eligible voters...

As for yesterday's comment, I repeat...has anyone here worked as an assistant comm.?

For all of you who did, I am sure that you have noticed a large number of invalids, who are marched out to vote by their families....even when it is obvious that they have no idea who they are voting for....

I must admit, that I would appreciate 16 year olds contributing to my, and their future, rather than a person, and I admit, that similar experiences are rather heart wrenching, insisting that he wants to vote for someone who has been dead for the past 20 years.
Jeremy J Camilleri (on 19/8/08)
Normally, I take the time AND pleasure of answering Mr. Saliba, personally, something that for some reason or other...well...he doesn't seem to enjoy.

Today, I have decided that I shall give him a break...

And the Blue eyed Zombie shuffles on...
M. Vella (on 19/8/08)
Can Ms Busuttil please let us know how she selected her sample of 'youngsters'? And may anyone versed in statistics please let us know the margin of error of a four-person sample? Is this in any way representative of Malta's 16-year old population?

What was the sampling method used? Did it by any chance include a database obtained from that little office in Herbert Ganado Street?

Ms Busuttil, you yourself are still very young, but I am sure you were conscious of the fact that you were going to mislead your readers by writing "some youngsters". The heading of this article should read - "Four Youngsters sceptical about being given the vote". Seen in this way, any reader would have reacted differently.

And why didn't the lead sentence recognise the fact that the youth sections of two political parties actually agree with Dr Muscat's proposal? Is the vast sample of youngsters more important than two organisations whose spokespersons are democratically elected by other youths?
eric saliba (on 19/8/08)
@ john saliba.
your comments are so spiteful aginst the labour leader that they cannot be taken seriously.
and i see that you've changed your tune in just 24 hours!! if joseph suggests it, it's automatically wrong for you gonzipn apologists but if someone else says it......halleluljah!!
so youngsters shouldn't vote, not even for local councils, bcoz of polarisation and immaturity etc but it's ok to have them on a truck during a mass meeting and have them posing with dr gonzi on pn billboards ????
Liam Kelly (on 19/8/08)
Youngsters should have more confidence in their intellegence and their ability to be objective in their own opinions. The argument that young people are not mature enough to vote is just ridiculous; in the UK i'd say that about half of under 18's (never mind 16's) don't even know who the Prime Minister is!...Never mind the fundamental differences in policies between parties.

In my opinion, it is more often than not the older generation who are set in their ways and more stubburn when it comes to choosing a party. In addition, with unpresidented access to media and news it gives the younger generation more opportunities to form an opinion.

Maltese youngesters should be confident and proud of their knowledge of politics and be able to excercise it.

I'd also like to say its a bit silly that whenever theres a issue regarding young people, we all go running to the Junior College Students Council; their not the only institution which represents young people in schools in Malta.
B.Borg (on 19/8/08)
Neither Dr. Joseph Muscat said it was his idea to decrease the voter’s age to 16 for local elections, yesterday he mentioned a number of countries that actually turned this “idea” into practice. Yesterday he closed his weekly piece with “I am aware that there are people within other political parties who are in favour of such a proposal and I hope we can start going beyond simply paying lip service to young people.”

Our youths should not be afraid of this proposal, if then any youth at 16 or 17 feel the lack of maturity, political education, background and experience, can always follow the adults who abstain from voting. But there are many youths of the same age who actively participate in their localities. I am sure that in every locality there are youths who have an active role in their youth centres, parish organised activities, and feast committees. So what is wrong if we add the local council to the list? Maybe some are against it because they imagine a prime minister at 16 years of age?
Everyone agreed with the Prime Minister, when prior the election claimed the need to inject some new blood into our politics.
Joe Cordina (on 19/8/08)
What a pitiful state, our youngsters and tomorrows leaders have a very low esteem of themselves
I. M. Dingli (on 19/8/08)
@ J. Saliba

You are pathetic, your are indeed a blue eyed zombie as pointed out by JJ. Yesterday you pointed out how stupid Dr. Muscat was when mentioning the idea and now you blow all your horns about the fact that MZPN came up with the idea before.

I don’t give a damn who came up with the idea as long as it might be a good one. You on the other hand.... better not comment.

By the way, what about the budget for 2008, is it going to reflect all these millions of Euros you are mentioning. Am I going to pay less taxes, bills, etc and have more money in my pocket or are these millions you talk about going in the pockets of the rich ones.
Philip Dupuis (on 19/8/08)
Most probably the young 16 years old students that were interviewed expressed agreement with the opinion of the interviewer.
Charles Saliba (on 19/8/08)
Dear Jessica,

Your position reflects the sorry state of our educational system. By self-admitting that you're not capable of taking a decision and that you are easily influenced, I feel stupid to be part of this society. A standard European youngster wouldnt argue in that same fashion.

Probably you're not that immature after all. The fact that you actually follow newspapers, and brought up courage to post a comment online, shows that you are able to take decisions. You just need to believe in yourself, and hopefully by means of your vote at local council elections, we'll have younger councillors being elected instead of old grumpies.
James Attard (on 19/8/08)

Politicians can never ever resist an opportunity for PR
rather than deep and practical thought.

They (JM, MZPN and AD) say that voting at 16 years would
"lead to less partisan and more sensible politics".

Have they ever been to a village festa? a football match? a waterpolo game?

Who are the most extreme, intolerant, partisan and least sensible
people on such occasions? The youngest ones.

Read some young people's comments on Maltese blogs.
They're slanging matches, name-calling and vulgar tirades
with no, absolutely no consideration of others.

Read Labour's third defeat report and they conclude
that their youngsters' only contribution was to lift the
girls to drum up the enthusiasm in Mass Meetings!

Youngsters' minds are still developing in their teens.
Let 16-year olds mature after sitting for their O-levels.
Let them think.
Let them sit for their I- and A-levels serenely -
they are the most important exams in their lives.
Then let them vote at 18.

The voting age is not Malta's real problem.

I'm starting to believe that Malta's problem is
actually immature and self-seeking politicians.

.
E. Azzopardi (on 19/8/08)
There you are, they even want the vote. And they are right.
A.Borg (on 19/8/08)
@Franco Farrugia

Do you really think that 16yr olds are not yet politically committed or mature enough to discuss current issues? As an ex-student of yours, I can clearly remember the debates we used to have in class (not in your presence) way back in 1998 when I was 16.

At Junior College, students do look forward to the yearly PULSE vs SDM elections which are usually politically charged. Generally speaking, the outcome of these elections does reflect the general feeling of the Maltese electorate.

I think it's a matter of trust. Women and obviously men, were against the introduction of universal suffrage in the 20s. Nowadays we harp on the need of having more female representatives in parliament!
John Saliba (on 19/8/08)
Today I have only stated that it wasn't Joseph's idea to give the 16 year olds the right to vote. However, yesterday I expressed my personal opinion about the matter. Yes, I am against the suggestion of 16 year olds voting, and my opinion does not represent the PN's stand. However, the MZPN is in favour and their spokesman expressed that opinion way back, long before Joseph was anointed leader. Dear Mr. Muscat, the Prime Minister has more serious and important things to do. Do you really believe that he has time to debate whatever Mr. Undecided comes up with? The Prime Minister is busy ensuring that by 2010 we will have a budget that will be the envy of almost all the EU states. He is also working out how we are going to spend the millions of Euros (plenty of millions) obtained through EU membership that we will be utilizing prior to the next general election in 2013. This money would wouldn't be ours to spend had we been stupid enough to listen to Sant and his clone Joseph.
Franco Farrugia (on 19/8/08)
I speak from an educator's point of view - do we want 16-year old youngsters to join the political fray during election time? It is already bad enough as it is, with youngsters appearing behind political leaders, etc .... Now, we want 16-year olds to start arguing passionately, a' la maltaise, about this party and that one.
Why don't we leave these youngsters alone and let them enjoy another two years, free of the responsibility that voting for a government entails?
Jessica Cilia (on 19/8/08)
i totally agree with Junior College Students Council president Adam Karl Farrugia. Im 16 and am a Junior College student myself. If given the right to vote, I would be more likely to vote as my parents do, since i lack the maturity and background to make my own political decisions. However, if the voting age were to be lowered, I would vote since I believe it would be my duty to do so.


A.Borg (on 19/8/08)
@ Peter Muscat

The thing is that Malta has been under a conservative government for a quarter of a century, and progressive politics is still considered a taboo. Therefore I am not surprised to see such a strong barrier in favour of more rights towards young people. After all, the proposal is valid for local council elections and we can always give it a try.

@B.Borg

Good observation! That shows exactly John Saliba's inconsistency and partisan attitude.
Muscat Peter (on 19/8/08)
@ John Saliba ... Please note that Frank Psaila is not the Leader of any Political Party while Joseph is Leader of the MLP. I like to hear views of the Capo of the PN rather then that of F. Psaila on the matter. Your comment on the subject is proof enough that the oracles of the PN haven't changed their negative agenda or their negative behaviour towards the Leaders of the MLP.They are just obsessed in repeating their never ending negative cries.

@ Cynthia ...Those 16 year olds interviewed on the subject shows that they are more mature then many present voters.

We are presently witnessing a repetition of same septicism that Malta experienced when 18 year olds were given the right to vote, some years ago. Today 16 year olds are much more open minded and responsible then many wants to admit.
victor caruana (on 19/8/08)
Unbelievable - Junior College Students Council president Adam Karl Farrugia has no faith in himself and much less on the students he is supposed to lead - some leader.

I would not be surprised if he still wears the nappy!!!
Michael Abdilla (on 19/8/08)
@ John Saliba
Now that Frank Psaila said it in March its suddenly a fantastic idea!!
And anyway, since when do spokesmen for MZPN mould the PN's policy?
Its not Frank's idea, its not Joseph Muscat's idea, its not the AD's idea. Its been done in different countries already.
However, its funny how the Nationalist Party (that normally react do MLP statments within the hour) have not issued a statment yet.
B.Borg (on 19/8/08)
@John Saliba, this was your comment of yesterday:

"Does this new dynamic, energetic, competent and intelligent Labour leader want the 16 year olds to have the right to vote? Does he also expect them to obtain a driving licence at that age as well? Maybe he also wants to give them the right to get married without parental consent? Who knows, me might want to give them the right to get divorced by the time they are sixteen and a half.
Shame, birds of a feather flock together. This kid is trying to associate himself with children who probably have his level of experience."

Should I comment any further?
A.Borg (on 19/8/08)
@John Saliba

Who said Joseph Muscat is after praise and glory for proposing such idea? If anything, this issue has neither been MLP's, MZPN's or AD's proposal but a pan-european campaign by individuals, NGOs and also by the ECOSY (European Socialist Youths within PES).

Yet, there has been a lot of press releases or articles that lead to nowhere. Joseph is not trying to re-invent the wheel but at least he has the guts to take the bull by the horns and be proactive unlike the nationalist leader.
John Saliba (on 19/8/08)
There you are, from the horse's mouth. the MZPN is in favour of lowering the age to 16 for Council elections. The PN's youth movement spokesman Frank Psaila wrote in The Times last March that it is not fair for 16 and 17 year olds to pay taxes and not have the right to decide as to how their money should be used. Sorry, Joseph this wasn't your idea. Please come with some decent idea of your own and make sure that it wouldn't be something like the repeater class, overtime at basic salary rate or removing VAT on items that are not Vatable. So stop copying other people's suggestions and show us that there is some substance in you. If you cannot handle the heat, as George Abela to hold your hand until you start maturing in six to ten years from now.
Jeremy J Camilleri (on 19/8/08)
Talk about playing with words....Artical called SOME youngsters sceptical..and then it mentions two...

If one had read yesterday's blogs, one would see that whilst there were many arguments for and against, a good number of 16 year olds were in favour

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