
Tuesday, 19th August 2008
Some youngsters sceptical about being given the vote
MŻPN, AD in favour of lower voting age for local elections
Sixteen-year-olds may be too young to vote, a number of young people told The Times yesterday when asked about Labour Leader Joseph Muscat's proposal to lower the voting age on a trial basis in local elections.
Dr Muscat wrote in his opinion column in The Times yesterday that it is high time to further empower young people, adding that local council elections would be the ideal testing ground for a progressive policy which lowers the voting age by two years. He said the aim would be to strengthen our democracy.
"I think that the rejuvenation of our electorate and the direct participation of more young people will lead to less partisan and more sensible politics. Young people have fewer preconceptions and want a more objective debate."
Contacted yesterday, Junior College Students Council president Adam Karl Farrugia pointed out that giving 16-year-olds the vote would be like granting additional votes to parents.
Younger teenagers, he argued, would be more likely to vote as their parents do, lacking the maturity or background to make their own political decisions.
"In a democracy, one's voting power should not depend on the number of children one has," he said.
The proposal by Dr Muscat should be analysed thoroughly and only introduced if it is found to be helpful for democracy, he added.
His concerns were echoed by a number of youngsters.
Beppe Degiorgio, 16, said people his age would only mirror their parents in their voting patterns.
"At 16, you don't really know what you like in life, let alone who to vote for," he said. Gianella Xerri, who will turn 16 next month, said although lowering the voting age may be a good idea, it might also be risky.
"While young people should have a say in politics, I don't think people my age are mature enough to take such decisions and are more prone to be influenced, especially by their parents."
Another teenager, Nikol Pulis, believes the voting age should remain as it is, arguing that 16-year-olds are still too young to vote.
"At 18, people tend to be more educated and more mature," she said.
Younger people are more likely to be biased and rather than form an opinion, would vote in the same way their parents do.
"Older people are more likely to be open-minded," she said.
However, she continued, if the voting age were to be lowered, she would vote since she believes it would be her duty to do so.
On the other hand, the Nationalist Party's Youth Movement is in favour of lowering the voting age for local council elections. MŻPN president Mathieu Cilia said the council had discussed the issue earlier this year.
In fact, MŻPN spokesman Frank Psaila had written in an opinion piece in The Times in March saying that young people usually lose interest in politics because they feel useless in their role as political spectators.
It was unacceptable, he wrote, that while 16- and 17-year-olds pay taxes, they cannot decide what their money should be used for.
Alternattiva Demokratika, the Green Party said it had made the proposal last February and the party would be repeating it in its position paper on local councils' reform which will be presented to the government shortly.
Party spokesman Robert Callus said involving young people in the democratic process earlier would make them feel they are contributing in a more direct manner to the country's democratic development.
Both the Local Councils Association and the University Students Council (KSU) said they would be evaluating the proposal.






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Comment: That is why the Prime Minister is oblivious of to-day; of what is happening to-day. He couldn't give a damn. He is working on the 2010 Budget!
August 2008 -December 2010 are to be left blank. They do not exist on everybody’s calendar; or rather they have been obliterated from Gonzi calendar. How much we would appreciate to have 18 months deducted from our life, that means we all become 18 months younger. It would be like a repeat of the Gregorian calendar That is why Maltese Ladies are so fanatic about Gonzipn.
The apex is that Malta, thanks to Gonzi (if he is still there - in power I mean) will be the exemplary state where one can decide to live. The best state of the EU.
And some people look for fanatics elsewhere!
You critize Dr. Muscat for not making any new suggestions not pertaining already to the PN manifesto, ok, so what is best… a leader who doesn’t come up with new, fresh ideas or a leader and PM of a country who comes up with ideas which are never implemented even though he has the power to do so?!? Promises, promises, promises…. Bla bla bla… what shall we do, give him another 20 years in order to implement 30% of the manifesto?
As per your opinion, MLP leadership is stupid and has been stupid for the past 20 years so how would you expect Dr. Muscat to make miracles in 2 months? He’s a stupid man! Can’t pretend intelligent things from stupid guys, sewwa?
what's the agenda? why emphasize the scepticism if the 3 political parties (including the 2 major ones) are agreeing on this?
WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE !!!!!
sorry but i will not bother wasting space answering your spiteful comments since you do not seem capable of decent opinions.
get a life man or better still go to hell!!
CAN WE LOWER THE AGE AT WHICH PEOPLE CAN CONTEST ELECTION!!!!!
Why should I condemn the MZPN? They have been party to the electoral victory. Do I have to remind you of the University outcome. Your electoral defeat report stated that your youth were not organized. Ours, thanks to the MZPN, were. I'm sure that youv'e noticed their enthusiasm at PN Mass Meetings.
We do express our differences in public - ours is a democatic party. I do not agree that under 18s should vote this is a policy matter. But. for example, none of us will be in favour of nationalization as that is a matter of principle.
Please accept one fact: I and practically all Nationalist are glad that Mr. Immature is Labour's new leader. Before we were extremely happy with Sant as MLP leader, but now we are more than thrilled with Mr. Inexperience as Supremo, Gosh, I have only realized now. If half of Labour's supporters were to follow logic instead of their heart, the MLP would lose 50% of its support.
@ B. Borg. Your comment is so far off topic its beggers the question did you even read the origional article or did u just think 'right, i feel like some Gonzi bashing'? :D
I am 16 years old and like the politicos from all parties now say, I would like to vote at 16.
But not only vote. If I am mature enough to vote, why not drive at 16 as well?
Why not drink at 16 as well?
Most people want to stop us drinking at 16 and now in Paceville you can't even carry a bottle in the street.
And why not have sex at 16? Do you 18+ 'adults' out there know that if you have sex with one of us who is 16 or 17 it's a crime and they will jail you and call you a paedophile?
So why the vote only?
I think this is a sop for us 16-year olds.
Sort of: don't let them drink... close all clubs early... don't let them drive... if someone has sex with them call him/her a paedo... but as for the vote... well, yes... we can give them something so that they don't grumble...
Do you people out there really believe it's the vote 16-year olds want?
Halluna!!!
Get a life!!!
John, Let me remind you last month, on 6th July, Joseph Muscat came out with a number of proposals to strengthen democracy. When this news made headlines, you was the first who criticise Joseph Muscat for this, quote you “JM, due to his lack of experience and maturity, is trying to sit on the fence on all the hot issues. Instead, the MLP are prepared to discuss with government the transparency of political party finances; the regulation of activities of a caretaker government prior a general election; the resources available to MPs; amendments to the electoral law; and the impartiality of PBS.”
Later on the 9th July, the Prim Minister suggested “to set up of a Parliamentary Select Committee to seek common ground between the government and the opposition on legislative amendments to strengthen democracy”. Citing from The Times “Introducing the Freedom of Information Bill in second reading, Dr Gonzi said the committee - to be made up of three MPs from each side of the House - would discuss the points raised in the recent exchange of correspondence between MLP leader Joseph Muscat and himself”.
Again here you criticised Joseph Muscat.
Sorry NO more space
You critize Dr. Muscat for not making any new suggestions not pertaining already to the PN manifesto, ok, so what is best… a leader who doesn’t come up with new, fresh ideas or a leader and PM of a country who comes up with ideas which are never implemented even though he has the power to do so?!? Promises, promises, promises…. Bla bla bla… what shall we do, give him another 20 years in order to implement 30% of the manifesto?
As per your opinion, MLP leadership is stupid and has been stupid for the past 20 years so how would you expect Dr. Muscat to make miracles in 2 months? He’s a stupid man! Can’t pretend intelligent things from stupid guys, sewwa?
i still have not read your condemnation of MZPN saying they too are in favour. same goes for AD.
and if you're so sure that these youngsters will vote for gonzipn why do you fear this proposal so much? anyway joseph suggested they vote in local council elections and we see from there whether to proceed further.
don't you think that using these youngsters for party propaganda purposes is actually exploiting them??
btw other EU members are going down the same road. or are we european just in name??
Critisice the MZPN president for proposing such a stupid etc etc...ok you can continue to come up with your own adjectives...
For Example..... and I'll quote...
'Shame, birds of a feather flock together. This kid is trying to associate himself with children who probably have his level of experience.
Poor Joseph, his political immaturity shows'
You just need to cut and paste yesterday's comments but erase Joseph Muscat(something you might even enjoy) and paste in the name Mathieu Cilia....
Now what if the Prime Minister agreed with this proposal?
Same procedure....
...oh my oh my...what a problem that would cause poor old John.....
If it gives anybody satisfaction to hear me criticize the PN, here I go. I disagree with government in not insisting with the police to take legal action against Meilaq for inciting violence. In my opinion such tolerance could be dangerous to our democracy.
There is quite a difference between promising things and actually implementing them. It is very easy to say a thing out loud just to attract people’s attention; I can say that as from tomorrow I will pay Malta’s debt (can you deny that? I might be a multi-billionaire).
Dr. Gonzi promised a lot of things to all classes but how many did he really implement? You mentioned the manifesto, can you please check it out thoroughly and verify what has been done. I can go as far as to invite you to even check the manifesto of the 2003 election. But please substantiate your arguments if you choose to elaborate the subject and not just throw things left right and centre because it won’t do you any good!
Ok....I can't resist.....
Rather than praising Labour, I d love to see him critiscise the Pn.....
Lets start with the MZPN president....
Ejja, Johnsalliba...Kuragg...call him the same names you called Joseph Muscat...its the same issue you see.....
and once again...the blue eyed zombie shuffled on....
Let me restrict myself to just 3 initiatives taken up by Joseph Muscat, to which the Government dragged (or is still dragging) its feet on:
1) Departure Tax
2) Car Registration Tax
3) St.Luke's Hospital Incinerator
Other initiatives for the benefit of us all were: mobile phone roaming rates, satellite dish receiver licence, part-time workers' benefits, gozo helicopter subsidy, medicine registration and local council funding.
Need I say more?
What bothers me a lot from your part is the fact that you only praise PN motions and god forbid if MLP sounds its voice. This is not a democratic way of discussing these matters but rather a blatant partisan approach, which in my opinion, is of hindrance to the well being of Malta.
That is the reason why myself and plenty of other individuals condemned your approach to the matter.
I am doubtful whether Jessica Cilia is a true personality or else some other creature disguised as a sixteen-year old. Because if you would ask a five year old if s/he is mature or not, the answer would be "YES"!! But at least she feels that she's being used as a political football....
Instead of trying to emancipate herself, "Ms. Cilia" chooses to remain in the dark ages where children are locked into dungeons to learn "maths, malti u ingliz biss". Eventually she's supervised by other hopeless-minded persons such as the poor minded Adam and Nikol who tend to shoot at their feet.
So dear Mr. KSJC President, instead of encouraging students who if I'm not mistaken VOTED to you last December , who don't you lead to them to serious progress and proper change in mentality???? Before jumping to partisan statements which do not make any sense, you may have considered to discard all those votes cast by all those who are not mature enough at the Junior College. Obviously these are the votes which elected you as president.
Well done Mr.president (elected by immature students)...............
At least you admit that the youth were behind the PN (on trucks at Mass Meetings and posing with the Prime Minister). For your information the overall majority of youth remain inclined towards the PN's policies, principles and ideals,. Hence Joseph is trying to lure them to the leftist precipice by proposing the right to vote to 16 year olds and by claiming to want youngsters to be the MLP's decision makers. Watch it Joe, the mask has fallen.
This reply is also addressed to I.M. Dingli
@ All hot headed bloggers. Let’s grow up; it seems that some of us do not deserve a vote even though we are older than 16 year. What relevance who said it first has to the issue. God please give me some strength. If this were Joseph’s brainchild its ok for us reds and the blues are out to ridicule the idea, if Gonzo came out first then the blues would want it too and us reds will call it a stupid idea. Do we want our 16 year olds to vote or not? That is the question. No apologies for the hard terms because we do not deserve better. And to the Nationalist bloggers I ask them to desist from their irritating chorus to patronise us with their rhetoric “When will they change?” The whole lot of us need to change our childish attitude.........of course I’m not excluding myself! I’m made in Malta too aren’t I?
Regarding your coment...
'Read some young people's comments on Maltese blogs.
They're slanging matches, name-calling and vulgar tirades
with no, absolutely no consideration of others.'
Same happens here...and not everyone writing is exactly a spring chicken.
Does that mean that anyone who resorts to slanging matches and vulgar tirades should not be allowed to vote?..
Damn..That would even rule some of our politicians out....
As for your other points...well...its the same argument really...football...waterpolo..the majority of the people responsible are eligible voters...
As for yesterday's comment, I repeat...has anyone here worked as an assistant comm.?
For all of you who did, I am sure that you have noticed a large number of invalids, who are marched out to vote by their families....even when it is obvious that they have no idea who they are voting for....
I must admit, that I would appreciate 16 year olds contributing to my, and their future, rather than a person, and I admit, that similar experiences are rather heart wrenching, insisting that he wants to vote for someone who has been dead for the past 20 years.
Today, I have decided that I shall give him a break...
And the Blue eyed Zombie shuffles on...
What was the sampling method used? Did it by any chance include a database obtained from that little office in Herbert Ganado Street?
Ms Busuttil, you yourself are still very young, but I am sure you were conscious of the fact that you were going to mislead your readers by writing "some youngsters". The heading of this article should read - "Four Youngsters sceptical about being given the vote". Seen in this way, any reader would have reacted differently.
And why didn't the lead sentence recognise the fact that the youth sections of two political parties actually agree with Dr Muscat's proposal? Is the vast sample of youngsters more important than two organisations whose spokespersons are democratically elected by other youths?
your comments are so spiteful aginst the labour leader that they cannot be taken seriously.
and i see that you've changed your tune in just 24 hours!! if joseph suggests it, it's automatically wrong for you gonzipn apologists but if someone else says it......halleluljah!!
so youngsters shouldn't vote, not even for local councils, bcoz of polarisation and immaturity etc but it's ok to have them on a truck during a mass meeting and have them posing with dr gonzi on pn billboards ????
In my opinion, it is more often than not the older generation who are set in their ways and more stubburn when it comes to choosing a party. In addition, with unpresidented access to media and news it gives the younger generation more opportunities to form an opinion.
Maltese youngesters should be confident and proud of their knowledge of politics and be able to excercise it.
I'd also like to say its a bit silly that whenever theres a issue regarding young people, we all go running to the Junior College Students Council; their not the only institution which represents young people in schools in Malta.
Our youths should not be afraid of this proposal, if then any youth at 16 or 17 feel the lack of maturity, political education, background and experience, can always follow the adults who abstain from voting. But there are many youths of the same age who actively participate in their localities. I am sure that in every locality there are youths who have an active role in their youth centres, parish organised activities, and feast committees. So what is wrong if we add the local council to the list? Maybe some are against it because they imagine a prime minister at 16 years of age?
Everyone agreed with the Prime Minister, when prior the election claimed the need to inject some new blood into our politics.
You are pathetic, your are indeed a blue eyed zombie as pointed out by JJ. Yesterday you pointed out how stupid Dr. Muscat was when mentioning the idea and now you blow all your horns about the fact that MZPN came up with the idea before.
I don’t give a damn who came up with the idea as long as it might be a good one. You on the other hand.... better not comment.
By the way, what about the budget for 2008, is it going to reflect all these millions of Euros you are mentioning. Am I going to pay less taxes, bills, etc and have more money in my pocket or are these millions you talk about going in the pockets of the rich ones.
Your position reflects the sorry state of our educational system. By self-admitting that you're not capable of taking a decision and that you are easily influenced, I feel stupid to be part of this society. A standard European youngster wouldnt argue in that same fashion.
Probably you're not that immature after all. The fact that you actually follow newspapers, and brought up courage to post a comment online, shows that you are able to take decisions. You just need to believe in yourself, and hopefully by means of your vote at local council elections, we'll have younger councillors being elected instead of old grumpies.
Politicians can never ever resist an opportunity for PR
rather than deep and practical thought.
They (JM, MZPN and AD) say that voting at 16 years would
"lead to less partisan and more sensible politics".
Have they ever been to a village festa? a football match? a waterpolo game?
Who are the most extreme, intolerant, partisan and least sensible
people on such occasions? The youngest ones.
Read some young people's comments on Maltese blogs.
They're slanging matches, name-calling and vulgar tirades
with no, absolutely no consideration of others.
Read Labour's third defeat report and they conclude
that their youngsters' only contribution was to lift the
girls to drum up the enthusiasm in Mass Meetings!
Youngsters' minds are still developing in their teens.
Let 16-year olds mature after sitting for their O-levels.
Let them think.
Let them sit for their I- and A-levels serenely -
they are the most important exams in their lives.
Then let them vote at 18.
The voting age is not Malta's real problem.
I'm starting to believe that Malta's problem is
actually immature and self-seeking politicians.
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Do you really think that 16yr olds are not yet politically committed or mature enough to discuss current issues? As an ex-student of yours, I can clearly remember the debates we used to have in class (not in your presence) way back in 1998 when I was 16.
At Junior College, students do look forward to the yearly PULSE vs SDM elections which are usually politically charged. Generally speaking, the outcome of these elections does reflect the general feeling of the Maltese electorate.
I think it's a matter of trust. Women and obviously men, were against the introduction of universal suffrage in the 20s. Nowadays we harp on the need of having more female representatives in parliament!
Why don't we leave these youngsters alone and let them enjoy another two years, free of the responsibility that voting for a government entails?
The thing is that Malta has been under a conservative government for a quarter of a century, and progressive politics is still considered a taboo. Therefore I am not surprised to see such a strong barrier in favour of more rights towards young people. After all, the proposal is valid for local council elections and we can always give it a try.
@B.Borg
Good observation! That shows exactly John Saliba's inconsistency and partisan attitude.
@ Cynthia ...Those 16 year olds interviewed on the subject shows that they are more mature then many present voters.
We are presently witnessing a repetition of same septicism that Malta experienced when 18 year olds were given the right to vote, some years ago. Today 16 year olds are much more open minded and responsible then many wants to admit.
I would not be surprised if he still wears the nappy!!!
Now that Frank Psaila said it in March its suddenly a fantastic idea!!
And anyway, since when do spokesmen for MZPN mould the PN's policy?
Its not Frank's idea, its not Joseph Muscat's idea, its not the AD's idea. Its been done in different countries already.
However, its funny how the Nationalist Party (that normally react do MLP statments within the hour) have not issued a statment yet.
"Does this new dynamic, energetic, competent and intelligent Labour leader want the 16 year olds to have the right to vote? Does he also expect them to obtain a driving licence at that age as well? Maybe he also wants to give them the right to get married without parental consent? Who knows, me might want to give them the right to get divorced by the time they are sixteen and a half.
Shame, birds of a feather flock together. This kid is trying to associate himself with children who probably have his level of experience."
Should I comment any further?
Who said Joseph Muscat is after praise and glory for proposing such idea? If anything, this issue has neither been MLP's, MZPN's or AD's proposal but a pan-european campaign by individuals, NGOs and also by the ECOSY (European Socialist Youths within PES).
Yet, there has been a lot of press releases or articles that lead to nowhere. Joseph is not trying to re-invent the wheel but at least he has the guts to take the bull by the horns and be proactive unlike the nationalist leader.
If one had read yesterday's blogs, one would see that whilst there were many arguments for and against, a good number of 16 year olds were in favour