Migrants brought to Malta

M.Muscat

Aug 16th 2008, 23:12

Attn V.Zammit
My friend if you go through past my comments you will find what I proposed but after all I am just a person in the street, a pure amateur where politics are concerned and it is not up to me or you to solve this crisis. We are not paid or responsible for solving such problems, if we were we would have contested the elections. But me and you have chosen our political representatives to safeguard our interests, to provide us with peace of mind, to care for the defence of the island and in this both are letting the electorate down. By remaining silent, without at least making a statement as to the prevailing situation, they are showing signs of weakness, that they are completely at sea as how to tackle the problem. And take heed, this is not an ordinary problem and if it goes on uncontested we are in for a very hard time from all angles. All our goodwill, kindness, nice speeches will solve nothing because there are many thousands waiting to cross over and we simply cannot cope with those numbers.
The sooner we see the light the better it will be..Sleep well

Victor Zammit

Aug 15th 2008, 21:45

@ M.Muscat
'I am sure you would agree that sooner we take the bull by the horns the better'

Can you tell me how please? Thanks

M.Muscat

Aug 15th 2008, 10:36

Attn. V.Zammit
Completely agree with your comments. We have broblems galore as you mentioned and probably much more. But these kind of problems are internal ones, self inflicted, manageable, and could be somehow tackled by the government of the day, whoever it is.
Also it takes some time (years)for them to develop and if say, to day we have 100 unknown fathers, it would take years to have a 1000. You see, though these are indeed problems they
could be controlled and probably administrations do come out with solutions. For example more surrveillance, stricter penalties on drug abusers, control of social benefits etc'

But the immigrants problem is much too more serious because it is uncontrollable, has no end, creates quicker burdens on everybody and could end up and probably will add momentum to the problems you mentioned. More unknown fathers and mothers - could be Africans or beautiful Ukranians- more drugs on the market, ripling social effects especially in health and tourism, and the forced duty to provide these people at least with the bare necessities which amounts to millions of euros.

I am sure you would agree that sooner we take the bull by the horns the better

M.Muscat

Aug 15th 2008, 09:58

Attn.Mr.Mercieca
Sorry, but you absolutely fail to make yourself clear. In actual fact your solutions and admissions only lead to confusing minds. For your information - elections happening in March- the question of illegal immigrants was hushed up and avoided by all the parties save one. I think, that being a politically eccentric island, the big majority of the electorate swallowed the bait, as illegal immigration was not an issue. Hence the 40 to 50 votes you are referring to. But you will be amazed how circumstances and time change and the thousands of correspondents who submit their comments here, prove my argument.

I am positively sure you mean well and I am with you on most of the counts but such policies as you predict - if I understand correctly - have to be dictated and regulated by governing bodies, which is way far from having assumptions as created by you.

At least we have to agree on one thing, and this without prejudice as to race, religion, colour etc. that we have an enormous problem which if left unattended would create havoc in the not too distant future. No use finding excuses, IT IS THERE AND OBVIOUS.

M.Mercieca

Aug 14th 2008, 19:29

A quick reminder

@ M.Muscat

Last March, anti-immigrants parties all together, did not fill ONE BALLOT BOX.

I guess the peoples how keep moaning here are the same peoples that voted for anti-immigrants parties.

How many are they?? 30-40 Peoples keeps saying same thing every day...heq
They can keep doing that, its safer to protest on line anyway

M.Mercieca

Aug 14th 2008, 18:23

@ a.cassar
Okay dear
Do you know that we have a population deficit in Europe? And to a certain extent, we have population deifict in Malta too? (please check this matter-as its the key for the whole thing)

Now, I guess you follow surveys that show racism against foreigners? Both legal and illegal?

Now, with this negative sentiments against foreigners of many types ,colors and creeds, do you except Dr. Gonzi or Dr. Sant or Dr. J Muscat or other EU politicians to keep on saying that, Europe is in need to import man power from Africa to enable European governments to secure paying pension for old peoples (within say 20-23 years?
If any politicians say that he/she will never get elected.
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Now Malta does not spend one cent from taxpayer’s money on Immigrants. But soon Malta would need money to train unskilled immigrants before sending them to Europe.
Europe only needs legal skilled immigrants but Africa will not allow brain-drain to happen (this is what I guess)
I hope I managed to make myself a bit clearer!

a.cassar

Aug 14th 2008, 17:41

• Fathers unknown born babies
• Single parents
• Broken families
• Drugs and alcoholic among teenagers.
All the above are local problems concerning Maltese for the most part. why should we waste our resources when we have these priorities to sort out? All the more reason to keep pressing for the immigrant problem to be solved. If not, there is the danger of leaving the back door unguarded while we're watching the front door.

a.cassar

Aug 14th 2008, 17:34

@ M.Mercieca.
I have read your comment very slowly (again) but I couldn't make head or tail of it.This is what you wrote;
"Politicians understand that racism is spreading among European citizens. While the latter are not fully aware of the real threat of population deficit. No politician, in Malta or in Europe is going to speak Europe need of immigrants (not to lose VOTES). But you may on the other hand see hopeful politicians that are hungry for power use the immigrant’s card to scaremonger peoples (VOTERS)."

Now, since I need to be spoon fed can you simplify the paragraph into plain simple English please? I would be very much obliged. And while you're at it please can you answer the other questions in my last comment? Thank you

Victor Zammit

Aug 14th 2008, 17:00

Attn: M.Muscat

Illegal immigrants is not number one issue among our government’s top issues. In peoples minds and anti-immigrants parties yes its.
Our social issues are more serious and known to everyone:
• Fathers unknown born babies
• Single parents
• Broken families
• Drugs and alcoholic among teenagers.

If you think of any of the above, it cost us much more than the whole illegal immigrants we have.
As the Maltese saying goes, l-ikbar trux dak li ma jridx jisma u l-ikbar ghama dak il ma jridx jara!

M.Mercieca

Aug 14th 2008, 16:51

@ a.cassar
Sorry sir/madam
You need to be spoon fed-just read slowly please.
If you dont like what i say...simple just ignore it. You can also trash it.
But just for your information.....what Ia m saying is what the EU /Malta are heading for.
You have all right to blame-shout-strike-comment as much as you want and do whatever you want. But what the EU want from Malta MUST WORK.

By the way, the EU also knows how to tame 'racist' peoples.

a.cassar

Aug 14th 2008, 13:17

@ M. Mercieca."The EU should provide adequate finance to the EU countries (Mainly southern Countries) not only to feed or shelter the immigrant but also to create a training center ETC-style. This center is to provide training to semi and or un-skilled immigrants and may also provide opportunities for some un employed Maltese. In my humble opinion this is how to turn a ‘problem’ into a good oportunity."
I thought you said that we were not spending one cent on the immigrants. And why should we train the immigrants in Malta? If europe needs workers then europe should train them.
and how would training immigrants here provide jobs for the Maltese?!
As for answering my question, I don't thnk you answered anything.the second part of your comment made no sense. So here is the question again. What is keeping Europe from taking our illegal migrants off our hands if they need so many workers? Why is burden sharing not implemented?

M.Muscat

Aug 14th 2008, 11:20

Attn.V.Zammit

There is no one more blind than one who does'nt want to see. You must be living in cuckoland, obsessed by the malady of politics - the evil of all things. What this blog is doing is trying to make people like you understand that though we could have coped with a couple of thousand immigrants, it is just impossible for a tiny island like Malta to sustain such influx without having grave repercussions.

To say that illegal immigrants is the least problem we have and that we just had a general election is to clearly demonstrate that you are politicizing the problem and this is a pity.

We have many problems and i believe they are in SAFE HANDS. Unfortunately there seems to be no co-ordinated plan to deal with this, the gravest problem of all which amounts to a casual steady invasion of our dear island. For you this is no problem, but it happens that I think that it is a major worry for the silent 95% of the population. Moreover, for all our efforts, Brussels elite (see TOM) are trying to feed us dung instead of helping and sharing responsibility. I hope you now understand.

albert spiteri

Aug 13th 2008, 23:15

@corinne vella. The usual rabble are those wolves hiding behind sheep skin that exploit these miserable criminals. They usual carry quite an impressive development agenda while preaching sanctimoniously about racist and making st. paul welcome.

M. Mercieca

Aug 13th 2008, 21:12

@ guze xerri
Let us talk serious. No need to go personal

The EU should provide adequate finance to the EU countries (Mainly southern Countries) not only to feed or shelter the immigrant but also to create a training center ETC-style. This center is to provide training to semi and or un-skilled immigrants and may also provide opportunities for some un employed Maltese. In my humble opinion this is how to turn a ‘problem’ into a good opportunity I guess this is where the EU politicians heading anyway
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Politicians understand that racism is spreading among European citizens. While the latter are not fully aware of the real threat of population deficit. No politician, in Malta or in Europe is going to speak Europe need of immigrants (not to lose VOTES). But you may on the other hand see hopeful politicians that are hungry for power use the immigrant’s card to scaremonger peoples (VOTERS).
I rest assure you If Norman Lowell is our PM today, he would either get a slam on the face for not observing EU Rules of human rights or to shut up.


@ a.cassa
Are you still asking same question? I have answered you many times my friend :-)

guze xerri

Aug 13th 2008, 19:56

@ M. Merieca,

Which Jesuit school did you graduate from?

If the EU needs LEGAL immigrants, there is a policy in place to get them, that means it gets the best qualified LEGAL immigrants.

What we have now in Malta is a full scale illegal invasion that is heading into total chaos and at great expense and hardship to the maltese taxpayer.

Victor Zammit

Aug 13th 2008, 17:39

The hardest thing to do in politics is to create interest in your party.
Thank to illegal immigrants, they proved this fact.
"Creating fear of the Roma, and then selling yourself as the best person to handle them, has been an effective way for Italian politicians to mobilize voters." However, it’s still too early to celebrate!
Same thing happening in Malta by ANR. AN, and Mr. Norma Lowell.

a.cassar

Aug 13th 2008, 17:21

@ M.Mercieca.
for the umpteenth time I ask you. If europe needs so many millions of workers why don't they take the ones we have i malta...for free? now for your 'facts'
Fact one – They keep coming. so we'll keep on protesting until somehing is done.
Fact tow - Bleating gets us nowhere. Speak for yourself. sheep bleat, we are not sheep.
Fact three - Racist comments fires back at Malta. what else could go wrong? if racist comments help to stop this influx so be it.
Fact four - Government is not spending one penny from tax payers money. Malta is forking out millions for their upkeep.what we are being given is fuel to go out and get them.
Fact five - The real threat four our country is within us (just read the past three days papers)
you're mixing two completely unrelated issues.

Victor Zammit

Aug 13th 2008, 16:26

@M. Muscat

Very well said,
‘Or are we crazy and nuts and all these comments are exaggeration. Obviously we are missing something - if we are reasoning wrongly than we must shut up,
but if what we say makes sense and The big majority of people think it makes, than it is scandalous and irresponsible not to heed the looming dangers that would hit Malta in the near future.’
Actually we aren’t crazy, possessed yes. Illegal immigrants is the least problem we have, of course compared with other unsolved real threat social problems (Do I need to list our problems?) But for some peoples that love to raise tension and critics the government it’s a good excuse
Are peoples are forgetting that we have just had general election? As far as what I remember, immigrants have been heading to Malta for years, not only this summer!

Finally, how many are there that keep saying same thing and fill the blogs with complains?

Denis Catania

Aug 13th 2008, 16:20

@M.Mercieca: Eventually we don't know, Now they don't need them. When they do, they would do it with legal immigrants.

M.Mercieca

Aug 13th 2008, 13:37

What it is lacking is an answer of a simple question – Are irregular immigrants eventually needed as a man power within Europe? YES OR NO? (Here I am not talking about Malta)

Click and read please

www.euobserver.com/9/26239/?rk=1

Here I would like to remind every one that, just because some persons do not have documents, it does not mean they do not have rights.
No power on earth will stop a hungry human to get food and security.

Fact one – They keep coming
Fact tow - Bleating gets us nowhere.
Fact three - Racist comments fires back at Malta
Fact four - Government is not spending one penny from tax payers money
Fact five - The real threat four our country is within us (just read the past three days papers)

Corinne Vella

Aug 13th 2008, 13:37

Joe Vella: Something that would have won him the Gaddafi Human Rights award, no doubt.

Corinne Vella

Aug 13th 2008, 13:36

I see the usual rabble are out in force, pitchforks and flaming torches in hand, ready to hunt down the wicked.

Joe Scerri

Aug 13th 2008, 12:36

Our totally incompetent political leaders are more concerned with their petty differences, the quaint but totally useless committee to discuss (blah blah blah) democracy and take holidays abroad er sorry attend some conference on the other side of the world.

a.cassar

Aug 13th 2008, 12:08

A libyan patrol boat today escorted a boatload of migrants back to port after it was stranded 50 miles from the libyan coast. now that would really be NEWS. So far it's just fiction.

F. Camilleri

Aug 13th 2008, 11:48

As responsible rational Maltese citizens, we should all UNITE and voice WITHOUT FEAR our support against ILLEGAL immigration until this THREAT is finally resolved; a threat which some of us are not even conscious about its gravity.

The road towards this end is HARD AND UPHILL.
WE will be harshly criticised, and hard words hurled at us.

However, we must answer to the call of DUTY, always WITHIN THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK, towards the very existence of our country for our own sake, and more importantly for THE SAKE OF OUR CHILDREN AND OUR ADOLESCENTS.

HARSH WORDS AND UNFAIR TITLES WILL NOT STOP US.
WE will keep on commenting, writing and OPENLY supporting our stance against ILLEGAL immigration.
Some day those in authority in Malta and in the EU WILL HAVE TO LISTEN AND ACT.

PLEASE DO NOT POLICITISE THE ISSUE.
THIS IS A SERIOUS NATIONAL ISSUE AND NOT A PARTY ISSUE.

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A CRIME AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH.
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A THREAT TO OUR NATION’S VERY EXISTENCE.

UNITY AMONGST US MALTESE IS THE FIRST STEP TOWARDS THE SOLUTION OF THIS BIZARRE THREAT.

Joe Vella

Aug 13th 2008, 11:32

I wonder what a strong prime minister like Mintoff would have done in this emergency.

Mark Zerafa

Aug 13th 2008, 11:09

Ray Casha: it is not the financial burden that worries me. It's the Africanisation of Malta and the European continent. Not that I have anything against Africans, mind you; but I do, on the other hand, cherish our European identity. That transcends any financial considerations.

albert spiteri

Aug 13th 2008, 10:55

The arrival of 28 illegal migrants arriving anywhere in Malta is certainly not news. What would be news concerning this invasion is reading about what concerted action our politicians will be taking to protect our national territory from these international criminals. That news will never ever see the light of day as long as the building industry lobby goes on dominating our demigod politicians and their corrupt policies.

M.Muscat

Aug 13th 2008, 10:48

attn a.Cassar
I agree with you re Norman Lowell but give the chap or Josie Muscat the chance to contest the MEP election and you will get the answer. You see, people are fed up and frustrated when they see that all their worries are being ignored. For me and I am sure for lot others, politics have no meaning as when the people whom me and you and the majority of the electorate trusted lose their trust and credibility, you feel insecure and defenceless.. To date, it seems that we voted for people who solve minor issues but who are spineless when it comes to crisis management. How can you otherwise explain the keep cool attitude of all our heros. Where is everybody, the media, the church, the unions, our dear MEP's and parliamentarians etc. Or are we crazy and nuts and all these comments are exaggeration.

Obviously we are missing something - if we are reasoning wrongly than we must shut up,
but if what we say makes sense and The big majority of people think it makes, than it is scandalous and irresponsible not to heed the looming dangers that would hit Malta in the near future.

F Bonello

Aug 13th 2008, 10:35

Do you call this NEWS?

Joanne Micallef

Aug 13th 2008, 10:29

Helllooooooo. Nation to Goverment.....are you there?????

Paul Pilis

Aug 13th 2008, 10:11

Is it by chance that the boats always carry 28 persons, that the dinghies always carry 50?
Is it by chance that the composition of the immigrants is always constant (majority male + 2 or 3 women)? Is it by chance that there is nearly always one pregnant woman?
Is it by chance that the boats always start taking water at a specific reagon within our teritorial waters?
Would some responsible body or person present him/herself as a reference point around which a national pressure group could push its plea?

a.cassar

Aug 13th 2008, 09:41

The only person who has the guts to speak out in public about this crisis is Norman Lowell but if he decides to organise a public demonstration I'm afraid that the attendance would be poor and will not show the real widespread concern in the country.The reason is because most people, while agreeing with him on this issue do not want to be seen supporting his radical views and his white suprematist beliefs. That is the reason he getssuch a poor showing in the election. If he were to mellow down his rhetoric I' certain he would get more support at least where illegal immigrants are concerned.

Ray Casha

Aug 13th 2008, 08:53

Are the PM & MP's gonna do anything about this great financial burden on Malta. They found a "solution" to the supposed "burden" the shipyards are on Malta & it's taxpayers but sit idly by while more illegal immigrants are brought in daily. What happened to "looking after your own" & "charity begins at home". They seem content to dispose of taxpaying workers but welcome with open arms people who contribute nothing to the Maltese economy & don't mind aggrivating the voters who they made promises to to win the elections and seats in parliment. Now they are there for the next few years it's like thay are saying "More fool you for voting PN" such a pity when they filled the voters with such high hopes and empty promises. Shame on the Malta government !!!!! Even hardcore PN sympathisers are irratated now, but who cares, you certainly don't !!!

John Debattista

Aug 13th 2008, 08:51

Well done is this News, Wake up PN MLP how much more are we to except before we start to do something?

Roderick Chetcuti

Aug 13th 2008, 08:13

..... the more the merrier

Joseph Zammit

Aug 13th 2008, 08:12

Dear goverment, opposition and unions, does anyone of you have the gutts to speak out for us ALL MALTESE? We do protests to save a piece of land from being illegaly built, protest against higher cost of living, protest not to sell the shipyard (even if it is costing us taxpayers millions and still doing a loss), protest against the surcharge.... but no one cares to utter his voice against this ILLEGAL INVASION. I thought we voted to be members and part of the EU not part of Africa. Enough is enough! Pity is that Dun Mikiel Xerri and all the other patriots who gaved their lifes for a Maltese Malta are no longer among us!

steve busuttil

Aug 13th 2008, 08:06

Oh Hello!

And still no comment from our 'leaders', both sides of course.

Please do or say something as this is deffinitely a national emergency.

c damato

Aug 13th 2008, 08:04

Today I try this "lucky" number for Super5.... the number 28.

Well organised invasion eh... their boat never takes more than 28 people.

Why is the Government and authorities ALL silent about this matter? Is it only us who worry?