Woman hospitalised after domestic fight

victor battistino

Aug 11th 2008, 22:28

@Ray Gatt

'Malta is not as catholic as it used to be anyways.' Is this the reason you bring to justify your arguments ? If you feel you are not catholic any more than I hope that you do not resort to baptising children, do not prompt them to have communion and confirmation, and when your time is up, do not have mass said by a catholic priest ! If you denounce part of your religion, then denounce it in total, and not as convenient !

If on the other hand you have your personal unfortunate experiences, then I can only sympathise but then ask you, what if it happens again and again........

Last week I read an interview with Patsy Kensit....when she was asked what was her opinion on relationships, she answered "....at 40 years of age, with three divorces behind me, I am the least person to talk about relationships" !

Unfortunate experiences do happen to everyone (and my extended family included) but divorce is more than a catholic issue - it is indeed a social 'problem' and definately not a solution ! Ask the housing authorities worldwide to mention one example.

shaun camilleri

Aug 11th 2008, 20:18

Most of the comments here regard divorce. Domestic violence is not a new phenomena but because divorce has been thrown into everyday conversations people are maybe thinking a little bit more about it.

The solution is not divorce really but protection and making the right choice before getting married. I thought that part of being a Catholic ment adhering to what the Church decrees. I mean this island goes on about being Catholic in principal when it concerns abortion yet when it comes to divorce it suddenly becomes secular.

I am not against divorce nor giving women the choice to decide for themselves as concerning their body - I am not a Catholic. Yet I find it contradictory to be Catholic on one side and secular on the other.

People should have the choice to choose and if someone doe not like it fine. However divorce is not a magic wond. On the other hand there is no need to get married anyway as you could draw up a legal contract between the two.

At the end of the day is that what marriage is a contract.

Ray Gatt

Aug 11th 2008, 15:40

Miriam Ellul, what she finds in the second, third, fourth and so on marriage is none of your business. Your only business is your marriage and nobody elses. How strong is your marriage? Why are you so afraid of divorce?

Ray Gatt

Aug 11th 2008, 15:22

Victor Battistino - wake up and smell the coffee. There are so many broken (non repairable) marriages that it only makes sense to have divorce. I am one of them and since the separation, my ex has kids from somebody else. Do you advise me to go back with her? Some time ago I checked with govt. officials if they would accept a divorce from abroad and the answer was in the positive as long as I lived in the other country for 2 years. I met another woman 13 years ago and we would like to be married, but catholic Malta keeps telling me divorce is not right for me. It's ok for a priest to fall out of love with the church, but not acceptable for somebody like me. Sheer hypocricy. Less power to the church in state business please. Malta is not as catholic as it used to be anyways.

Aimee Fenech

Aug 11th 2008, 10:21

These women should wake up, snap out of this acceptance, you deserve better!

Love is never violent
Love is care and warmt
Love is never fear

These women need support help them see theat they are worth more and they deserve the best just like everyone else.

S. Mamo

Aug 10th 2008, 21:09

@ victor battistino

please see my comments below. I requote myself 'First of all I think this should be clear to all that no one is trying to interfere in the lives of this couple. I think this is a subject that has opened the door to a civilised discussion about divorce.'

This is not about the couple. This turned out to be an open discussion about divorce. What's between the couple should't be anyone ele's business.

victor battistino

Aug 10th 2008, 19:54

You see everyone......I am now writing after today's (Sunday) news that this couple were not married but partners and parents of their offspring since 11 years ! So what's the argument for divorce ? Guys get your facts right first and then argue later !

Emma Xerri

Aug 10th 2008, 18:33

@Miriam Ellul
I am not judging that the husband is abusive, this is inferred by the report in the paper. I do not think that this lady inflicted the wounds on herself. At the end of the day, this is just splitting hairs and to say that a lot of women do not suffer abuse at the hands of their partners is to do a great injustice to a hidden social plague (I must admit that there are also husbands who suffer abuse at the hands of their wives, albeit the percentage is smaller). Whatever the gender, where abuse is concerned, in all its forms, we should have zero tolerance and a clean, permanent split via Divorce is the only right answer. I should know as I was in one such relationship and the advice that my late mother gave me is golden and I recommend it to one and all. It is this, "If he hits you once, do not be there for him to hit you twice. I have followed her advice and have never regretted it since.

S. Mamo

Aug 10th 2008, 16:09

@ Miriam Ellul

Do you think that if a man is unfaithful to his faithful wife it would make a difference if he is married or divorced?!! He will be married to his wife who most probably will be at home taking care of his home and his kids and still be unfaithful. Wheras if divorce was an option, he would probably ask for divorce and let the wife search for the happiness that she deserves.

Furthermore, in my opinion bottom line should be that everyone should have the right to choose! Seperation means an end to an unsuccessful relationship fullstop, while divorce can be the beginning to the happiness everyone deserves.

S. Mamo

Aug 10th 2008, 16:08

First of all I think this should be clear to all that no one is trying to interfere in the lives of this couple. I think this is a subject that has opened the door to a civilised discussion about divorce.

@ Miriam Ellul - You are misinterpreting the reason why so many people want divorce to be an OPTION - i quote you 'But WHAT IS WRONG IN TRYING TO MEND A MARRIAGE BEFORE ENDING IT?' ... Divorce will not take away the right to try to mend a marriage before ending it!!!!

Also, further down in your post you argumented that no one could have the certainty that if they decide to move away from an unhappy marriage they will be happy ever after. With that same argument if a man/woman is widowed young they should not get married again because they could end up widowed again! I am sorry but this argument does not make any sense.

Lilia Borissova

Aug 10th 2008, 15:31

@ M Ellul: "depending on the severity of the case" is exactly what all those pro-divorce being introduced as an OPTION (and not as an obligation, as may anti-divorce proponents try to portray it) are trying to say: there are degrees of severity, a wide variety of circumstances, BUT only one option for all cases! That's rather unrealistic and surely not adequate for all the various situations/severity degrees out there. For some separation may work just fine. But for others is not enough. For third divorce may save their lives. That's why I can't understand since when the Church goes against the means to preserve life?

Nobody's judging this particular guy; rather the action of touching another human being (let alone a spouse/child) in a violent and harmful way. Still, unless the lady self-inflicted those facial injuries by a sharp object, then I don't see how her hubby can get away with not being labeled as abusive. What was this sharp object doing on her face? Act of affection, sympathy? That's why in such circumstances divorce can come as a breath of fresh air, and if not teach the beater a lesson, at least give her new chance!

Miriam Ellul

Aug 10th 2008, 15:03

@ Franco
I think there must be some misunderstanding here. When I said 'isolated case' I was referring to the couple i.e. if it was this once that this woman was hit by her husband......not an isolated case in Malta. Yes, of course I condemn violence and I continue to condemn it. But one must see inside the story (which I think is not our buisness) before jumping to conclusions.
Yes sometimes an argument comes about suddenly on the other hand I agree, of course, that there are repeated cases of violence when one part has to leave.
You keep asking me what would it matter to me if my neighbour is happy. Of course that I want my neighbour and all ppl to be happy and start a new life!!! But WHAT IS WRONG IN TRYING TO MEND A MARRIAGE BEFORE ENDING IT?
That's what I am trying to say.

Franco Farrugia

Aug 10th 2008, 12:59

@ M Ellul: You condemn violence. In the same breath, you question whether this is an isolated case. Have you lived? Has life experience taught you nothing? Do you think that such a case comes about suddenly??? Don't you think that once is enough? Who is forcing them to separate, madame?
I seriously think you are either misinforming yourself purposely or else .... What I have been saying all along is that where there is continued tension and suffering with the so-called family unit, that family unit is already decomposed. Therefore, the State should have the necessary mechanism so that whoever feels that he or she has erred, into entering such a union, can go back on his/her tracks and if s/he wants, s/he can start again.
For the umpteenth time, is anything wrong with that? If you had a neighbour who did just that, what would it matter to YOU, who are so happily married and won't dream of ever separating or divorcing? What wrong would it do to you?????
Can you answer these questions silently, honestly, deep within your heart?

Joanna Kelly (Micallef)

Aug 10th 2008, 12:59

DOMESTIC Violence means exactly what it says, VIOLENCE against another person weather it is against a Female or a male.
Noone should be abused and treated as outlet for a persons depression or illness.
Separation is nessessary for any couple to decide on whats best to continue life together or to be apart, Divorce will then be an answer and should be accepted.
In Australia an abusive person is sent to jail, as it doesnt only happen once , so that person is locked away on so they will not commit the abuse again.

Miriam Ellul

Aug 10th 2008, 12:47

@ Emma Scerri

Who are you to judge the husband as abusive??? It is not ethical to say so. Where you there when this unfortunate fact happened?
I am not saying that he should be nominated for an award....but I think that before filing for divorce there can be other solutions......this depends on the severity of the case.

By giving my opinion I am not interfering with anybody's life or poking my nose into their buisness! What are you doing by judging a person you don't know as 'abusive' ? Interfere in their life perhaps?

As I have always said and will keep saying..I am against all domestic violence and abuse!!

Miriam Ellul

Aug 10th 2008, 12:17

@Carola Weitze
I am happy for you and your parents that your relationships are still going strong.
I didn't say that all relationships, were there is age gap, will end up all wrong. But it can be one of the reasons.

@ Giselle
That's what I said infact....She/he may find a better relationship but some ppl (not this lady) tend to throw themselves into worse situations.
I am not judging anyone who is in bad marriage!! I already said that many times.

@Emma
So where is the right of choice and opinion then?? Are you saying that who doesn't agree with divorce (though I never said that) is a church zealot or bigot? Speaking of forcing one's beliefs on others........

In my comments I never said that I agree or don't agree with divorce...I said that it's not the only solution.

I feel that this is not right that we are discussing this fact while these two ppl ( I presume that even the husband is feeling bad right now) are passing from this bad moment.

Though I condemn violence, what if this happened this only once and they settle things between them? Should one force them to seperate??

Lilia Borissova

Aug 10th 2008, 11:38

I wonder if ending up scarred or paralyzed for the rest of your life because of a violent spouse or getting cancer after an abysmal consistent humiliation/violence for many years from one's "beloved" would count as martyrdom or should we blame these disasters on the Church as THE institution refusing to acknowledge the causative relationship between them and what it preaches by calling for and consciously trying to forcefully (to the suffering spouse's mind) keep two people together even if they end up killing each other. Separation cannot count as freedom from such a destructive marriage.

What about the "contagious" nature of violence given from parents to their children? Any child psychologist will confirm the irreversible impact of violence on the child's development and the role model which they tend to mirror as grown-ups. Those who say divorce is bad for the children: how many violent people you know who's parent/grandparent is/was the same!! Marriage CAN be damaging for the children in much more subtle but irreversible way! Church idea of marriage is revering the form, not its content! Putting the institution before the people. How Godly is to protect an institution at the expense of people's protection?!

Robert Callus

Aug 10th 2008, 10:10

I agree with divorce, however I don't think it's the major issue here. The state should protect the vulnerable. However, and I've met many cases, many women who are not battered in extremely serious situations are taken with half ridicule by the police and the authorities. Instead of grabbing the bull by its horns they let situations escalate at the expense of the victim.
Regarding domestic violence the law is once again strong with the weak and weak with the strong

Lilia Borissova

Aug 10th 2008, 09:15

As was said here: divorce is not meant to be a remedy to stopping marriage problems. It's a facultative right, available to whoever decides to go for it when the purpose of marriage and the vows have been deeply and irreversibly broken. Divorce is just the means for leaving an impossible situation.

@ Miriam Ellul: your logic makes no sense and I classify it as the coward/paranoia logic. Should I stay at home because if I go out I may be run over by a bus???!! By the same token ppl shouldn't get married because in return they may get a beater for life!!!

I would be interested in someone quantifying the life-long suffering and continuous/permanent mental damage of a spouse (and the profound effect this has on the children) in a parody of a family and that of the ex's who were able to get on with their lives, come to terms with their disastrous past experience and even very possibly have new successful relationships. I myself have divorced parents and suffered more when my parents were fighting then after the divorce when they became good friends and were able to respect each other.

Giselle Borg

Aug 10th 2008, 02:04

@Miriam Ellul
... but what happens is she/he dives into another...perhaps BETTER situation???

Did you think about the other side of the coin? or can you only see one (biased) consequence to this proposal?

Don't judge people who are in bad marriages and force them to continue living with a decision that turned sour just because your decision (I presume) has worked out for you. If anything you should be thankful and get on with your happy life whilst letting other people seek to find another chance at a happy life.

Carola Weitze

Aug 9th 2008, 23:07

I have to agree with Mr. Battistino: you are rushing into conclusions. None of us has been whitnessing the incidence and therefore shouldn't judge.

Interesting - and to a certain part amusing - I found comments like: age gaps between couples as reasons for difficulties in relationships.
Well, Mrs. Ellul, I am sorry to say, that your idea about age gaps sounds naive and immature. There were 11 years between my parents, and there are 19 years between my partner and me - just to mention two examples - and the relationship was / still is strong and well functioning.
Furthermore, there are so many different reasons, why people opt for a divorce. Violence is just one on the large list of reasons for divorce.
BUT: Never has divorce been an easy decision for those, who opted for it. It is not a matter of choosing between two pair of shoes - or, to stick to your example: between beef and chicken! The decision goes far beyond all this. It involves relatives, friends and sometimes even collegues at work!
Last comment: WHY on earth do you think, that people would jump from one marriage to the next?!?

Emma Xerri

Aug 9th 2008, 22:57

@Miriam Ellul
Once this woman gets rid of her abusive husband, through a Divorce ( a legal separation will not do as this still leaves her legally bound to him with no option to remarry), she can go to as many other relationship as she wants to, and marry again and again if she wishes to, or remain single. This is not of anybody's business. If you want to prevent people from making mistakes and marrying the wrong person, then you would have to abolish the institution of Marriage outright. This way nobody will make the wrong choice and heaven forbid have to divorce. But if a person has the misfortune to marry and their marriage becomes intolerable (there are many other reasons besides physical violence, such as psychological abuse, infideltiy, not providing for the family or just growing apart), they should have a legal recourse to make a clean break. Our elected officials in Parliament have an obligation to each and every citizen to provide the legal means to do so through Divorce. They should not allow religious zealots and bigots to interfer with their duty. To do so would be nothing less than a betrayal of their country.

Miriam Ellul

Aug 9th 2008, 21:13

@ Franco Farrugia
Nothing is wrong with me. I agree that each and every one of us has the right to live in peace and without being violated. I am by no means forcing my beliefs to no one. I am, like every body else giving my opinion. Or shouldn't I ? I never said that she/he hasn't got the right to start again...but again....what will she/he find in the second marriage...third and fourth??? I agree that a violated woman/man should leave the relationship....but what happens if she/he dives into another...perhaps worse situation???
Ok I know that there were cases were the second time proved a success...but how many people are as lucky?

victor battistino

Aug 9th 2008, 20:54

again jumping to conclusions on a newspaper report. Just because the women suffered injuries, it does not say if the husband tried to defend himself from an aggression and hit his wife in turn ! WHO ARE WE AT THE COMFORT OF OUR HOME TO JUDGE AND JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS ?

Dear Times Editor, can you prevent all comments / blogs on such articles for the sake of whoever is involved ?

Franco Farrugia

Aug 9th 2008, 20:26

@ Ellul, Zammit - but what's wrong with you? What's wrong with your neighbour getting divorced and able to start again? She is the victim here, hasn't she the right to be rid of her husband and start again? Doesn't she have the right to do so? How is that going to affect you, with all due respect? Why should you have a say in the way she carries on with her life???????? You continue being happily married and let your neighbour live according to the way she fancies?
Or would your marriage (not you personally) be so fragile that you would be easily influenced? That being the case, sorry: you still have no right to force others your personal beliefs.

J Zammit

Aug 9th 2008, 20:22

@ Mr Bugeja

Conjecture maybe, but the words leopard and spots come to mind!

Malcolm Tortell

Aug 9th 2008, 20:14

@ J Zammit:
One more fact for you to chew on. The most dangerous thing a woman can do that puts her at most risk of being assaulted and increases also the chances of being murdered is threatening to leave. This is not myopinion by the way but a fact known to all professionals in the field. What d'you think of that?
Divorce is not a panacea but it can help people at least leave. Separation is not enough as the women is not provided enough protection due to the legal structures.
@ Miriam Ellul: advice varies in quality unfortunately. And yes the man could indeed go on to abuse someone else but would you not agree that at least the first set of women and kids will be safe and free? Divorce can be seen as one element in a larger strategy.

s.bugeja

Aug 9th 2008, 19:59

@J Zammit What we are sure of is that husband number one has already hit. the rest is pure conjucture

J Zammit

Aug 9th 2008, 19:58

@ Messrs Farrugia and Tortell

The abused wife could achieve the same result by threatening to leave him, or actually doing so. If she wants as much financial security as a divorce would give her, she could go for a judicial separation.

Divorce would be great if it could guarantee a happy second marriage, but the failure rate for second and subsequent marriages is even higher than that of the first because the couple have a lot of baggage behind them , eg children by previous spouses and maintenance payments. When I worked abroad I met men who had been married and divorced THREE times. Imagine all the pain and heartache left behind them and their ex's and children!

Miriam Ellul

Aug 9th 2008, 19:52

@ Malcolm Tortell
When I said that "sometimes ppl put themselves into the trouble" I meant that they don't take heed of the advise given by others re the relationship they choose. I was not speaking about the incident itself. That's not for me to discuss.
@ Franco Farrugia
I don't know what you find disgusting and cruel in what I said. I said that sometimes ppl do the wrong choices. I sympathize with this woman and I wish her all the luck in the world to start a new relationship....BUT....who is to guarantee that this NEW START will not contain MORE VIOLENCE???
Yes, sometimes ppl do change but for the worse....
@ Paul Barret
Re age gap...It is a fact that when a man is married to a younger woman he may get more jealous...and I think that, that's one of the major reasons of DV.
@ Malcolm and Franco
Ok you say that with the legalization of divorce DV will end. Who says this?
Won't the violent person find someone else to pass the rest of his/her life with and to be violent to???

Corinne Vella

Aug 9th 2008, 19:43

Miriam Ellul: No one is suggesting that marriage should be banned. Divorce is not meant to end domestic violence but it can provide a legal remedy for the victim of an abusive spouse.

Malcolm Tortell

Aug 9th 2008, 19:42

@ Robert Thake: you are wrong. the vast majority of men who beat their women and children limit their violence to people who are dependent on them and make sure it takes place behind closed doors.Its called bullying. How do I know this? Because its my job thats how.

Alex Ellul

Aug 9th 2008, 19:26

A man who tends to beat his first wife will tend to beat his second wife. Divorce will not stop wife beating. This unfortunate case has nothing to do with divorce, The victim, in this case a woman, must surely get at least immediate protection from the violent husband. Whatever this couple decides to do after that is nobody's business except theirs. Leave them alone and continue the divorce discussion on a national level not by using and abusingna unfortunate couple who only God and themselves know best what to about their problem.

Franco Farrugia

Aug 9th 2008, 19:13

@ Mr J Zammit - Noticed his comment just now ..... well, some 'violent brutes', indeed, would think twice before trying to corner their spouses, for fear that that spouse can have recourse to start again!

Franco Farrugia

Aug 9th 2008, 19:11

@ Victor Battistino - Victor, I respect your opinion, but in turn, I feel that it would be immature not to highlight the plight that many, many families are going through.
Do you deny the fact that many are the families where there is constant tension and negative atmosphere? I am sorry: to me, that is not a family.
Since that is not a family, in my opinion, seperation and possibly divorce would help the family components to come to terms with their own lives.
In the film Mrs Doubtfire, I was captivated by the concluding words of the main character - that sometimes, people who live far away from each other will respect each other much more than when living under one roof.
Ok, if you want, you can dismiss it because it's American. Whatever.
Of course our lifestyle has changed. That lifestyle is here to stay and we in Malta have no bastions any longer to keep that spirit away from our islands. And in a way, heaven forbid.
It is true: many are the happy families, thank God. But Victor, even for one unhappy family, the State's duty is to provide the means for divorce.

Paul Barrett

Aug 9th 2008, 19:05

@ Miriam Ellul
The age gap! Oh dear are we only to have marriages within set age differences for them to work?
At 42 to 52, they are hardly an immature couple.
As for the violence - There should not be violence between man and wife in a happy marriage. Unfortunately some women are violent towards their husbands but this is buried - some husbands are violent towards their wife and this, if not requiring treatment, is often hushed up or hidden.
Currently we have "Separation" legally available which means that although the initial problems are solved, neither partner, innocent or guilty of causing the separation (although it often takes two to tango), can ever legally set up a proper family with anyone else.
In essence we have many formally "unrecognised" families with parents who are unable to legally get married and make their children legitimate.
Both Separation and Divorce will end continued domestic violence within a failed relationship but Divorce is the only one that will allow either or both partners to re-marry.

Robert Thake

Aug 9th 2008, 19:01

@ Franco & Malcolm

Speaking from a purely secular point of view; Apathy is not a solution. Divorce will loosen the bonds of society (further). What would you do to people who beat children? Castration? A person, who beats his wife, or indeed any woman, won't need to take his frustrations out on his wife, specifically. A person who goes so far as to beat his wife would do the same to anybody else and the introduction of divorce to satisfy a relative problem is futile.

Malcolm Tortell

Aug 9th 2008, 18:55

@ J Zammit: no but it might prevent the poor woman in this story from being abused again. Did you think of that?
@ Miriam Lauri: what have they got to do with each other? Is this a trick question? DV is one of the most pressing issues related to marriage especially as there is one new case a day in Malta! If Divorce is available then lots of women and children will be able to live in a safe environment. As things stand separation is not enough to ensure the safety of the vulnerable.
I have worked in the field of DV for a decade and while it could be a one off incident its highly unlikely that this is the case especially given the age of the victim and perpetrator. Its facial injuries remember... slashing at someone's face one off or not is very serious.
You also say thay sometimes victims "put themselves into the trouble" tell me, what could she have done to justify having her face slashed? I await your reply eagerly....

Franco Farrugia

Aug 9th 2008, 18:51

@ M. Miriam Ellul - Don't come speaking to me about meat and beef. Let's stick to facts,ok? But let's argue in an objective manner, without pre-conceived ideas.
Divorce would be there to encourage the partner, in this case the wife, to get the hell ouf of the mess (read: marriage) she put herself into, for reasons unknown, and to START AGAIN! And therefore, dear lady, for this woman, yes, domestic violence will end!!!!!!

However, I find it disgusting on your part to claim that ppl often put themselves into the problems they have. Disgusting and cruel! Is that the way the Church tries to disattach itself from the problems and from the responsibilities it has?
Why do ppl commit themselves to such persons in the first place? I will tell you why: BECAUSE PPL CHANGE!!!!!!
Consequences of immature and quick decisions, you say. Maybe, maybe not. AND FOR THAT REASON ESPECIALLY THERE HAS TO BE THE SECOND AND MORE CHANCES IF NECESSARY FOR THE STATE TO HELP THOSE PERSONS WHO MADE SUCH ERRORS, TO STAND UP AND YES, START AGAIN!
Once again, madame, you are a very good ambassador for all those hardened ppl who are against divorce.

victor battistino

Aug 9th 2008, 18:45

Malcolm and Franco

Well, don't start jumping to conclusions ! A 'domestic fight' could mean anything....its not fair and ethical to use other people's problems to get where you want.......for all it matters, divorce is still not a solution. If you think that in this family, third parties could come in a result of divorce, then i am pretty sure that you have missed the solution. The solution is not easy, but I strongly beleive that our lifestyle has changed and become too consumeristic and egoist to think of others, sometimes even to our partners, to whom we would have vowed that our love would last forever ! or all the nice words all a smokescreen ? Even a domestic incident per day reported in the papers will not justify this argument.....is our society so dependent on newspapers for an opinion ?.... has anyone lobbied to ban driving licences with all the road accidents reported in the papers ? Has any paper reported the positive marriage stories who pass by everyday in its argument against divorce ? I expect more maturity !

JohnLauri

Aug 9th 2008, 18:40

Yet another classic and perfect example for the legalization of divorce ! I have no doubt that the Bishops will find reason why this battered and abused wife, should not avail herself of divorce, in Church-run Malta.

Miriam Ellul

Aug 9th 2008, 18:36

What does domestic violence and the strengthening of marriage have got to do together?
Are you saying, that if a piece of meat caused food poisoning to someone, then beef should be banned? Do you think that if divorce is available, domestic violence will end?
Sometimes people, who are violated, put themselves into the trouble. I sympathize with this woman, very much, and I condemn all type of violence, but shouldn't one ask if this man was always violent? Why do people commit themselves to such persons in the first place? On the other hand, when a man or woman is getting violent this can be the result of a medical condition and this calls for help and treatment to the violent part. Secondly, the age gap. One must enter a relationship with eyes wide opened not blind folded.
Sometimes these are the consequences of immature and quick decisions.

J Zammit

Aug 9th 2008, 18:24

We've got the answer then - we must have divorce asap. Violent brutes would never dream of hitting wife No 2 !

Or would they?

Malcolm Tortell

Aug 9th 2008, 17:36

@ Franco

Nobody is going to look here though are they? It would cruelly shatter their illusion!

Franco Farrugia

Aug 9th 2008, 17:14

This is the second incident of domestic violence in a couple of days - and we still hear people wanting to strengthen marriage, and that divorce should not be available!