Labour Youths back Joanne Cassar

Daniel Vella

Dec 1st 2010, 11:43

Congratulations Ms. Joanne! Finally some good news.

To everyone who is against this union.... GET A LIFE!

N Zammit

Aug 4th 2008, 02:31

Dear Karl Serracino ,...

it is useless that the PN were the first to start malta off in EU negotiations, if when it comes to actions it lacks totally behind other fellow EU countries.

Finally we can bring forward progressive thought sand maybe one day we can really be a full member of the european union, reflected through rules and laws not just promises !

A.Gauci Cunningham

Aug 3rd 2008, 09:35

John Schembri---Did he?? Well even better than................still FZL (who I've crtiticised a couple of times on this Newspaper) deserves praise for such a stand....from my point of view at least.............

John Schembri

Aug 2nd 2008, 19:44

@Franco Farrugia : What I said was that "Married people have a right to adopt children" , I don't believe that people like Ms Cassar should have that right . I understand that "can" would have been a better (legal) word.
Child adoption is not taken lightly by the authorities , so I don't want this legal "loophole" there should be a clear difference between marriage and civil union. I wrote that "Adopted children have rights "
@ Mr Gauci Cunningham : Dr Gonzi spoke in favour of Civil Union prior to the general elections.

Albert Gauci Cunningham

Aug 2nd 2008, 13:28

Well done FZL-------as a person who knows Joanne and as a gay person myself I can't tell you how happy i am to see that a Political movement can actually take a stand like this, warts and all............Joanne acquired the right to marry as soon as she was given the right to change her gender on her Birth Certificate and on her ID card..................I personally have challenged Joanne to marry a women ( as the court seems to have said) and as soon as she does so I will be the first one to go to court and ask for my rights (denied up to now) of a civil marriage/partnership or whatever the "holier than thou", politically correct want to call it...........but Joanne is not doing this for her personal gain or media attention...she is doing it because its her RIGHT

......again a BIG well done to Forum Zghazagh laburisti ............and all Progressive, Nationalist supporters like me should stand up and be counted and give credit where credit is due!!!!!

Stanley Cassar Darien

Aug 2nd 2008, 10:41

This is a political matter. Politicians come up with and vote on laws, and therefore most issues are political.

If consenting adults love each other and want to build their lives together, then why deny that? Why do we always use children as an excuse to deny love? I can think of so many worse things that are happening to the kids in Malta, just go to a beach and have a look around. A lot of people are obsessed with what people get up to in their bedroom, and fail to see what the person actually has to offer.

Franco Farrugia

Aug 1st 2008, 01:28

@ John Schembri - 'Married people have a right to adopt children , and the adopted children need to be brought up in a stable environment.' Words of wisdom? Hardly!!!!!! Does it follow that only married people can bring about a stable environment???? Hardly! Go take a look at the so many families we have in Malta where domestic violence and tension reigns supreme!!!
Married people have aright to adopt children. - No way. They have no right. They merely CAN. Where children are concerned, nobody has a RIGHT, not even the natural parents themselves.
I suggest you update yourself a bit more before wiritng on a public platform.

Byron Camilleri

Jul 31st 2008, 18:49

For those of you opposing Joanne's RIGHT to marry...

When will you stop being selfish and do not interfere in other people's lives? How the hell would she affect you by marrying the person she LOVES.

Please Maltese government stop interfering in people's lives, and let us live free as long as we do not annoy others.

However I do not expect more from the ex president of the Azzjoni Kattolika.

Well done Labour Youths.

J. Schembri

Jul 31st 2008, 18:02

Married people have a right to adopt children , and the adopted children need to be brought up in a stable environment. Adopted children have rights which the "progressive" Labour youths have overlooked.
In my opinion any two persons have a right for a civil union.
BTW ; why marry? It is more fashionable nowadays to cohabit , and as far as Income Tax is concerned one is better off if s/he is considered single.
@ A Farrugia,the choice right now is between someone who always tried to be forward looking and another who has been an armchair critic for the past ten years .
Joseph Muscat is testing the waters with this semi official statement from his infantry scouts .
What is the " unofficial opinion " of the Labour Youth Forum on the pensions , or on the rent regulation reform? I am sure they have a strong opinion on these subjects.

Charles Camilleri

Jul 31st 2008, 16:29

@ L Farrugia. "the dividing line between the 2 major parties is clearly visible. The past vs the future. A choice between progressive movement and the status quo." How right you are Mr.Farrugia . Just look at the past. There were those who brought all this progressive change in Malta by making Malta a EU member, introducing the vat system of taxation, introduced the local councils, gave a choice to the people by introducing liberisation and privatisation, etc etc and we have those who opposed all these progressive moves. At least there agreement on something.

David Wain

Jul 31st 2008, 16:03

J. Bonello, the fact that the matter is sub judice does not mean that it should not be commented on. I believe that you are mixing up this issue with penal cases. If everyone were to take your stand, nothing contentious would ever be discussed in this country.

Contrary to what J Bonello thinks, I believe that it is high time that people start sticking their necks out on issues of a sensitive nature. So many cases which are sub judice are discussed openly, and they should be. I believe that Mr. Bonello's quarrel is with the content of the press release and not the fact that there was a press release.

I give my full support to Ms Cassar and sincerely wish her success in her pursuit of justice.

Franco Farrugia

Jul 31st 2008, 15:31

@ Barzagl, Serracino and co.: Oh cut the political crap!

L Galea

Jul 31st 2008, 15:21

Once you were born a male or a female that's how you should be known.

Gender reassignment or not, a born male cannot bear children and a female changed into a male cannot father children.

Witness the farse there was a few weeks ago in the USA where a female had gender reassignment to turn into a male but kept her sex organs intact so that she could conceive. She was recognized as a male and married a female, yet they had to have artificial insemination to bear a child.

Imaging yourself being that poor child having as your father and mother at the same time a woman who had gender reassignment to outwardly turn into a male and as such is both your father and mother and a female which is also your other mother while none of them can actually be your father.

Getting mixed up in the name of equality?

If nature wanted to make us like this it would have created us hermaphrodites as it has done to a number of species.

ernest causon

Jul 31st 2008, 15:08

How can anyone like Ian Bugeja ever consider gender reassignment surgery as a cosmetic surgery. Has it ever crossed his mind just for how long Joanne and many others like her have been suffering through no fault of their own. Does he equate this type of surgery with a facelift or perhaps a breast enlargement, Please be more humane and thank God you were born the type that society considers as "normal"!! One last point, I happen to be one of many who see this "person" as a human who is struggling to live a "normal" life.

A Farrugia

Jul 31st 2008, 15:02

This is the best progressive way forward, not only for the Labour Youth Forum but for the Labour Party Lead by Joseph Muscat. I am sure that in the coming months and years, the Labour Party will be the natural party for all liberals in Malta. Labour is tacking such issues and the dividing lines between the two major parties in Malta are clearly visible. The past vs the future, a choice between a progressive movement and the status quo. Thumbs up to the Labour Party.

Karl Serracino

Jul 31st 2008, 12:48

@ D.Barzagli

Conservative Government!!!! Who was afraid of EU? Who was against VAT? Who was afraid of privatisation? Who was/is afraid of Liberalisation? Who was against local councils? Who was against Smart City?

Who is the Conservative Party?

Byron Camilleri

Jul 31st 2008, 12:47

Well done Labour youths... At least someone is being progressive in this country...

J.Bonello

Jul 31st 2008, 12:36

Can anyone explain on what type of argumentation (legal or otherwise) did the FZL base its stand on? Do they have an idea of what gender reassignment is all about? Do they know the State has a right to establish the requirements for marriage as it deems fit?

Does the FZL have a remote idea of what the 'sub iudice' rule is all about? Since when does a court case become a 'cause celebre' which a political organisation may chose to adopt or otherwise even before the case is finally concluded? What does the FZL think it is doing? Is it trying to influence the court in its decision? Why did it not wait until the situation is finally resolved by the competent organs? I feel that what the FZL is doing amounts nothing else but a disservice of monumental proportions to the country and to our judiciary - something which it should refrain from doing not only for its own sake and the sake of the party it militates in but and perhaps all the more important for the sake of the country.

Ian Bugeja

Jul 31st 2008, 12:26

If the birth certificate is issued once you are born how can you ever change it by doing a cosmetic operation, change gender being irreversible or not?

In my opinion this person should have not been granted the gender reassignment in the first place.
One last point is that many people would still see this person as a man.

Victoria Grech

Jul 31st 2008, 12:13

It is high time that we all realize that what applied in the past may not necessarily apply today and this is even more important where legal issues are concerned. The law needs to be updated periodically. a 100 years ago gender reassignment did not exist, therefore such a legal situation would not have existed. today's reality is completely different and laws need to be changed and adapted to the current situations. unless such changes are put in place, people like joanne cassar will keep on suffering.

Roderick Mizzi

Jul 31st 2008, 12:08

I still cannot understand why the state give a legal recognition as a woman wihout giving the women rights to person that is now a woman to the state. The government must act on this issue because it doesn't make any sense.

Paul Barrett

Jul 31st 2008, 12:07

This is not a political matter but a human one.
Mentally born as a woman and now physically and legally adjusted as such, she should have all the rights of a woman and no one should deny her the right.
She should never have had to face this prolonged and bitter battle and hopefully the Constitutional Court will at last free her from bureaucrats; those that have so little compassion and those that lack flexibility to understand the trauma of being born slightly different to the standard.

Mario Bonnici

Jul 31st 2008, 12:03

Well done FZL.

It's about time that as members of the EU we start acting as europeans.

D.Barzagli

Jul 31st 2008, 11:42

This is precisely the way forward Labour has to advocate. We've been under a conservative government far too long!!

Franco Farrugia

Jul 31st 2008, 11:17

And anyway, why should Big Brother Malta interfere with what this citizen wants? Tick the box which she tells you to tick and let's get on with it!

C Calleja

Jul 31st 2008, 11:09

well done.

finally some progressive approach from within the Labour Party.