Migrants land in Sliema

N.Vella

Jul 25th 2008, 11:18

at least we agree on a point.

i agree with you, but unfortunately in this world, mal-hazin jehel it-tajjeb. we cannot take this influx unless EU helps, and it seems the idea of burden sharing didnt really go down well with the EU. the immigrants are abusing of us coming in the hundreds, with some or many not really being such a desperate case, and because of this the genuine cases get lost among the crowd.

Kenneth Cassar

Jul 25th 2008, 07:40

Dear N Vella,

Most people in Malta do not have members of their family tortured and killed by their government or warring guerillas.

Most people in Malta also do not face the threat of torture and death for religious or political beliefs.

It is mostly about these people that I write.

Of course, like I said, among such people, there will be some (perhaps many) who either do not require protection, or else are not in such a terrible situation that they require immediate help.

However, because of the people who do, who are among the people who don't (both end up on our shores and we have no means of distinguishing between them before studying their case), we simply cannot, and should not, send all of them back on arrival.

For some of them, it is not a question of a "better life" but a question of life or death.

Regarding your last sentence, yes, for the EU to expect us to deal with the problem by ourselves, with our limited resources, is absurd.

N.Vella

Jul 24th 2008, 11:25

so its takes time, it takes months/years to get asylum seekers identified if all of them lie about their facts and burn passports. all this is the taxpayers expense. 5.5million euro per year.

the good reason they have is they hope to find a better life. how many in malta hope for that?for a better living? most of us i guess. but you dont find us entering somewhere illegally just because there is hope to find something better!they hope they go to usa, but they wont, they were tciked into false hope by coming here and we have to carry this burden.

if the authorities dont take care of your nation, your people, who will? will the immigrants do that?

if we do not send them back and accept them here , then let the eu and the us help us financially for their upkeep and not from our taxpayers money! malat cannot do this all by itself, its absurd!

Kenneth Cassar

Jul 24th 2008, 06:50

N Vella, when genuine asylum seekers lie about their age and country of origin, they do so out of fear. When others lie and are found out, they are re-patriated. The problem is knowing who is a genuine asylum seeker and who is not. This takes time, but since there do exist genuine asylum seekers, we cannot simply send everyone back.

Regarding the "needy ones", people in danger of being killed for political or religious reasons are not necessarily poor. Of course, they do become relatively poor when they flee their country, which puts things into perspective. Someone who decides to leave everything behind and try his luck elsewhere must have had a damn good reason for doing so.

Denis Catania

Jul 24th 2008, 00:12

Hey guys take it easy. When I read Mr Raymond Sammut comment (When a child is involved, that crime becomes so much greater) I'm sorry Raymond I didn't mean to get you in trouble with MR.Cassar or Ms Vella. It was that statement that made me feel I'm not alone, in the fight for children's rights, to be safe, rather then bringing them in such a dangerous way.But Raymond don't let them bully you. If I were you I would stand your ground. Only if the babies understands what he or she would choose. Stay in Libya where it's safe or cross the dangerous of the high seas.If the baby would have a fully developed mind, he or she would choose the safe path. I didn't think that the 2 words CHILDRENS RIGHTS would start such an uproar.MrCassar.

N.Vella

Jul 23rd 2008, 13:23

ok, so the law is not equal to all. but on what basis can we conclude that for immigrants, when they lie about age and country of origin?

most of them do know why they are coming here and with reason. remember those dozen that were granted refugee status in usa, they happened to be somalis, accidently all 54 immigrants yesterday where somalis. we are giving the impression that if they come here we can grants refugee status to all of them. i guess the really needy ones are still stuck in africa cause they cant put enough money for the crossing.

Kenneth Cassar

Jul 22nd 2008, 11:59

Dear Raymond Sammut, it was Denis Catania who wrote the sentence you quote. The reason why I put you in brackets is precisely to show that my reply was mainly addressed to him, while showing that some parts of my posts were relevant to you. If I gave the impression that what I quoted was written by you, even though I don't think I did, I nonetheless apologise.
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Dear N. Vella, you'll perhaps be surprised to learn that no, the law is not equal to all. In fact, law courts are usually more lenient in exceptional cases where a person can't help it but commit a crime. The mental state of the person committing a crime is also taken into consideration.

Therefore, to answer your question, if I try to enter Libya illegally, I would expect (and justly so) to be given harsher treatment from a judge than an immigrant entering Malta illegally to escape from persecution.

As to whether Libya would accept all Maltese refugees if something tragic happens in Malta, that question could only be answered by the Libyan authorities. But even if they wouldn't, that says nothing about what we should do.

N.Vella

Jul 21st 2008, 16:15

but shouldn't law be equal to anyone?? so if you are crossing borders in an illegal way you are a criminal. if you are a maltese citizen and in a desperate need of cash you do not go rob a person/shop/whatever it is. the law still deems your action as illegal.

i wonder if our country was in the same state of some other countries and we tried crossing borders illegally, what would happen to us? would our beloved libyan neighbours let us all in???

Governing Bodies have to take action about this and not wait for the solution to fall from the skies!

Raymond Sammut

Jul 21st 2008, 10:31

@ Kenneth Cassar

You are clearly giving the impression that I said: "finally someone who believes in children' rights". It is obvious that you are the one who is giving "impression[s]", while accusing others of the same thing.

Would you please have the courtesy, Mr Cassar, not to address two people at the same time when those two people had said different things. Also, putting a name in brackets does not help. Can you be direct on who you are addressing and on which point.

Kenneth Cassar

Jul 21st 2008, 07:12

Dear Denis Catania (and Raymond Sammut),

You give the impression that you know all about each and every immigrant coming from Africa (point of departure, level of safety prior to departure, etc). This makes me wonder why you are not doing your duty and assisting the authorities by giving them this valuable information about each and every immigrant you seem to imply you know a lot about. This would sure help make re-patriation quicker (since you seem to "know" they do not deserve asylum) and would suit your "patriotic" purpose well. Given your knowledge about each and every immigrant, I'm sure their numbers would decrease in no time.

Also, I would be careful when saying things such as "finally someone who believes in children' rights". What you seem to be implying is verging on the libellous.

Raymond Sammut

Jul 20th 2008, 18:38

"The places of safety that you mention are hardly likely to be next door to the homes that immigrants run away from." No further than tiny Malta, surely, Ms Vella.

"Yet, your fixation on the small numbers of people who get to Malta is blinding you to the fact that several hundred thousand people do NOT try to cross the Mediterranean or even to leave Africa at all." So it cannot be so life threatening, is it, Ms Vella.

Corinne Vella

Jul 20th 2008, 13:55

Denis Catania: Another thing. Unlike you, I have no reason to fear a thunderous god who you believe is on your side against me. Your god apparently rules over a heaven which is filled with misogynists and men like you so I am not particularly interested in being there for five minutes, let alone for all eternity. How could you not have realised that given that you're intelligent enough to have worked out that corpses cannot be prosecuted?

Corinne Vella

Jul 20th 2008, 13:49

Denis Catania: If this is the same Raymond Sammut who once implied that I am somehow responsible for the death by drowning of several immigrants, then it's none to wise to hold him up as an example of sound reasoning. The places of safety that you mention are hardly likely to be next door to the homes that immigrants run away from. Africa is a very big place and likely as not there is no safe passage to the 'safe' places you mention. Yet, your fixation on the small numbers of people who get to Malta is blinding you to the fact that several hundred thousand people do NOT try to cross the Mediterranean or even to leave Africa at all.

Denis Catania

Jul 19th 2008, 13:33

@Raymond Sammut Well said, finally someone who believes in children' rights.
@Corrine Vella and Kenneth Cassar read MR Sammut comment and think about what he wrote about the UN and Libya.
@Corrine Vella By law you can't charge a corpse for a crime he or she committed against their children. But GOD will. You one day might have to answer to him too.

Raymond Sammut

Jul 19th 2008, 01:59

One cannot lose sight of that point in time when the would be illegal immigrant moves away from a place of reasonable safety and assistance from the UN (places of which there are several in the African continent), and puts himself or herself into the hands of human traffickers. As adults, they are making that choice. That choice is clearly a crime. They are also making it in a premeditated way after several years working in Libya. When a child is involved, that crime becomes so much greater.

Kenneth Cassar

Jul 18th 2008, 19:21

Denis, simply by saying that refugees can get Maltese citizenship (unless they marry Maltese citizens - which they can't if they are already married - and only after several years have elapsed) shows that you are not properly informed and therefore cannot give an unprejudiced or realistic opinion. So basically, no, they cannot wait to get Maltese citizenship and then get their family here safely.

Corinne Vella

Jul 18th 2008, 16:27

Kenneth Cassar: Maybe Dennis Catania believes corpses should be arrested and prosecuted.

Kenneth Cassar

Jul 18th 2008, 07:26

Dear Denis Catania,

I too know that children (and infants) and pregnant woman are dying. I also do care. I also know that desperate people sometimes do not act rationally, and sometimes, when faced with death, they clutch at straws.

You ask: "Can't a father leave his family back in Libya (Safe place) come to Malta, do his detention, if qualified be out within 18 months altough I seen them get out within 6 months. Get a job get his Maltese citizenship and send for them in a safe and proper manner. Is there anything wrong with that".

There would be nothing wrong with that if it were at all possible, for the following reasons:

1. Refugees don't get Maltese citizenship.
2. Refugees many times never get to see the family they leave behind.

Denis Catania@yahoo.com

Jul 17th 2008, 18:38

What is close to shore 20-30-40-50miles.They know what they are doing, when in trouble, they had cell phones and called friends and relatives in Malta and Italy. Personally when I was a little boy we use to go to Ta'Biex to swim. Some would say let's swim to Valletta, personally I was scared as most kids. Some would try and come back after getting maybe 50 yds. Now let be known although I from Gzira, I was no Rizzo. Even he would use safety when he swam long distance. No I don't know every case, I just know kids and pregnant woman are dying. Maybe you don't know this or just don't care. Can't a father leave his family back in Libya(Safe place) come to Malta, do his detention, if qualified be out within 18 months altough I seen them get out within 6 months. Get a job get his Maltese citizenship and send for them in a safe and proper manner. Is there anything wrong with that. Maybe if Gigga would have gotten away with what she did to little Tony. more kids would have been killed and dumbed by thier mothers.Not that these are similiar crimes.

Kenneth Cassar

Jul 17th 2008, 07:03

Dear Denis Catania,

What makes you so sure that they start the voyage in a "rinky ding boat". According to investigative journalist Caroline Moorehead (read Human Cargo), most start their voyage in ships, but are dumped in small boats by their traffickers when they are "close enough" to shore. Of course, the immigrants probably wouldn't know this would happen.

But again, I don't claim to know the details of each case, like you seem to imply you do.

Kenneth Cassar

Jul 16th 2008, 16:58

Denis Catania wrote: "Pregnant woman dead on arrival. Are you happy? Maybe if arrests we're made, as I suggested,maybe this tragedy would have been prevented".

How could this tragedy have been prevented? Maltese police can only arrest people in Malta.

Kenneth Cassar

Jul 16th 2008, 16:56

Dear Denis Catania,

To judge I must know the specifics of each case, which neither you nor me actually have. But I can think of two reasons why people might flee from Libya with their children.

1. They actually might be persecuted in Libya.
2. Libya is a passageway from which they flee their country to make it elsewhere. Perhaps there is a chance that they get apprehended in Libya and get repatriated.
3. They know that there is little chance that they will ever see their children again if they leave them behind.

Let us understand their possible situation before pointing fingers.

Denis Catania

Jul 16th 2008, 05:29

@Kenneth Cassar When in Libya the child is no longer in danger. After that ,it becomes a crime to take a child in the high seas on a rinky ding boat. When immigrants cross south America, then Central America and trough the Mexican deserts to get to the USA. They keep their children home. They work hard save money then later they bring their children and wives in a safe manner.Why take a little risk when you could avoid the risk? Is Libya killing these people?
@Corrine Vella Pregnant woman dead on arrival. Are you happy? Maybe if arrests we're made, as I suggested,maybe this tragedy would have been prevented.

Maria Whitehead

Jul 15th 2008, 15:56

ah! blessed my ignorance on the matter and thus my confusion! I once believed refugee status was only investigated and granted to those who came from politically unstable countries etc etc. I also distinctly remember that the country seeking asylum from should also be their last departure point.... no??? Does this mean Libya is politically unstable? If no.....Does this mean an iraqi immigrant living illegally in Italy for a couple of months may be given refugee status if he were to row over to Malta seeking a better job? I dont believe in not helping these people, I just believe every country should carry its weight and that we should not be such push overs.

Kenneth Cassar

Jul 15th 2008, 08:56

To Denis Catania, If the choice regarding a child would be certain death or a slight chance of survival, every decent parent would take the risk.

Corinne Vella

Jul 13th 2008, 21:57

Denis Catania wants to rescue babies by having their parents put in jail. Now, that'll be helpful to the children. What's he going to do about a pregnant woman who was dead on arrival in Malta on a boat? Put her in jail too?

Get this, Denis Catania: You, not I, are making the distinction about protecting children according to their skin colour. You're making a serious mistake in assuming that all Maltese babies are white.

Denis Catania

Jul 13th 2008, 19:54

@Corrine Vella, We don't need to protest in front of the abusers house. We already have laws against that , which are in forced. Should you witness abuse please dial 179 and the police will make the arrest. Who do I call when a 2yr old baby drowned due to the selfish action of the baby's parents. Maybe you don't get this because it's black baby's that are dying. I see how fast you want to protect white Maltese baby's who are being hurt. So Ms Vella you too condone little baby's on the high seas on a rinky ding boat.SHAME ON YOU. Where are all the good Maltese woman. At one time we we're known for having good caring Maltese mothers and grandmothers. Are these two woman(Katie Micallef and Corrine Vella) isolated cases or our woman changing for the worst? Endangering the welfare of a child is a serous crime and it should be addressed promptly by the police comm.

Raymond Sammut

Jul 13th 2008, 15:48

I do not think there was any need to "stress" Mr Cassar. I can easily detect your sense of determination.

Corinne Vella

Jul 13th 2008, 13:45

Dennis Catania: Try demonstrating in front of the homes of Maltese people who beat up and abuse their children and spouses. That's a lot more manageable and far more relevant if you really wish to protect the lives and wellbeing of children.

Kenneth Cassar

Jul 13th 2008, 12:16

What kind of problem? More over-population. Of course I'm speaking long-term, and I stress that this does not mean we should (or could) send anyone back before studying their case and granting them protection and keeping them if they need it.

Raymond Sammut

Jul 13th 2008, 04:44

@ Kenneth Cassar

"...if nothing is done, we could have a problem."

What kind of a problem do you think we could have?

N.Vella

Jul 12th 2008, 21:19

surely so but its the duty of the governing both national and international to find a solution. they were elected to lead the country/continent not you or me. things cannot just pass by and let time solve our problems. malta is alreay suffering from a brain drain, we cannot let more people leave our shores if we want to have a better country.

Kenneth Cassar

Jul 12th 2008, 20:45

Dear N. Vella,

I agree with you totally that Malta should not carry the burden of other countries. I also know that Malta is overpopulated as it is, and that if nothing is done, we could have a problem.

But the biggest problem is what to do. We have international human rights obligations to which we are signatories, and even if this were not so, letting them drown is not an acceptable solution. Now, seeing that we cannot send them all back (since some of them are true asylum seekers or refugees), we have to keep doing what we are already doing - that is, keeping them until we study their case and act accordingly. In the meantime we can also try to make deals with other countries to take some of the refugees who end up here.

Unfortunately, many people, because they are justifiably worried, misplace their anger at our helplessness and direct it towards these people who, at the least, seek a better life, and at the most, are escaping from certain death.

Unless someone comes with a better humane solution, we have to keep on doing what we are already doing.

N.Vella

Jul 12th 2008, 17:13

@Kenneth Cassar

I agree with you thats the root of the porblem. but why should our little island with no interest (assuming this)in selling weaponary, carry the burden of other countries?

shouldnt the proper authorities do something about this? it is irrespective of the nationality, if they enter illegaly. and here we are not talking about a few. taking there are around 10,000 and we have a population of 400,00.

the reason why most are balck is that we are closer to north africa than any other countries, but it doesnt mean we have to accomodate them all. dont you agree we are already an over populated country?

Kenneth Cassar

Jul 12th 2008, 09:21

"Malcolm" wrote: "ALL IN GOOD HEALTH ,.,, "" GREAT"" !!!!!!!!!!!"

And what exactly do you mean by that? Am I right in thinking that you wish they arrived very sick or dead? Am I also right in assuming you are a "Christian"? If this is Maltese culture, bring on more immigrants.

Denis Catania

Jul 11th 2008, 23:58

@ Katie Micallef Shame on you for condoning little children to cross the high seas in a rinky ding boat. You don't read about these babies drowning. We just pulled out a pregnant woman. Did that fetus have a chance? Katie Micallef how many of these little kids have you taken in? Or are you satasfied with them being warehoused (if they even make it alive) Having a baby isn't just a night of good sex. After birth you need to think, before you allow your kids to do anything.Now should you take your yacth and pick these woman and kids up in a safe manner, ok. If not, the mom and dad needs to be arrested for endangering the welfare of a child. I am in contact with an attorney and if the police commisioner does not start using this law(endagering the welfare of a child) We are trying to obtain permits from NYC to demostrate in front of the UN on Sept 21 2008(if that date is available) Malta mission in NY was put on notice today verbally. I guess you would put your kids in danger for your better life. That's SELFISH. SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU.

malcolm

Jul 11th 2008, 19:43

ALL IN GOOD HEALTH ,.,, "" GREAT"" !!!!!!!!!!!

Noel Cutajar

Jul 11th 2008, 13:29

Staff Wanted for Nautilus IV - Farsa Mission - must be fluent in Somali, Egyptian, and other African Languages will be considered an asset. Must be able to read the compass and know the difference between North and South. Must be ready to travel at short notice. Please bring national flags and maps. Life will be uncomfortable as has to stay and watch boats passing through and show directions towards Malta to travellers on small boats. No stars needed just simple people who will have to teach their children that Malta was once a detention centre for the kingdom of the Brussel Sprouts.

R Spiteri

Jul 11th 2008, 10:43

I agree with the suggestion of a mass demonstration and petitions given to castille. I would like to ask correspondents ' When do you think that its too late?' Or is it? If it is not, stop the talking and act NOW. No more talking, but what immediate ACTIONS to be taken NOW.

Katie Micallef

Jul 11th 2008, 08:42

@ Denis Catania. Shame on you for branding women who take their children with them when they migrate as irresponsible and deserving of having their child taken away. What mother wouldnt try give her child a chance, any chance for a better life. Obviously you have no idea of what difficulties they face in their own countries and it's discraceful that you think you can make such an uneducated comment as this.
Desperate times sometimes call for desperate measures. Try some empathy on for size.

Kenneth Cassar

Jul 11th 2008, 08:18

N Vella wrote "They should defend their country against injustice/corruption(if need be we help them)".

Herein lies the problem, Mr/Ms Vella. Nations that profit from the selling of weaponry have no incentive (to put it mildly) to stop conflict in Africa. Iraq was different. There was an excuse (WMDs that never materialised and terroism), and an incentive (oil and the privatisation - to be taken over by multinationals - of security services).

Ivan Falzon

Jul 11th 2008, 08:13

Has anyone considered that this is history repeating itself? Our forefathers did this 30-60years back, to Australia, the States, Alexandria, Marseille etc etc. We have to accept that these poor souls have no opportunities to hang to in their countries, they want to realise their dream. I would do the same! Would you? That said, now that Malta is an EU country, and after we were promised solution after solution, it's only fair that this burden is shared between all. Personally I think that some government policies vis-a-vis immigrants leave much to be desired, with an apparent laid back strategy dominating both sides of parliament.

M. Mercieca

Jul 10th 2008, 16:37

@ Joanne Micallef
@J Zammit
Both of you are adding value to the debate. I appreciate you approach and understanding.
I welcome constructive debate that has NO-HIDDEN AGENDAS

M. Mercieca

Jul 10th 2008, 16:28

@ Joanne Micallef
I QUOTE ‘
Re Europe needing migrants, I know it's true, but like I said not every Tom Dick or Harry will do, Europe wants a controlled migration, allowing entry only those qualified in one sector or another’ Again, you got another fact thing right… Prosit.
Europe need the immigrants on selective –base, I mean high skilled immigrants. This is Europe’ right. But would Africa allow brain-drain to happen again?
………………………
I asked about the Hundreds thousands of immigrants you mentioned in your post. I guess you were talking about Europe in general, right?

M. Mercieca

Jul 10th 2008, 16:15

@ Because we didn’t have large number of kids in our families as you rightly said. We ended up having population deficit. (Here I am talking about the whole EU population)
@Cedric Busuttil
Irregular immigrants don’t take one penny from tax payers’ money. Check the amount of money the Gov receive please. If you prefer to think otherwise, feel free.
Malta is EU member state (receives money from EU- If I am not mistaken we have about Euros 850 on the way) Why you think the EU pays money to us? Is it because we have a sunny Island?
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I don’t argue a lot about the obvious. I suggest every body get the facts right before we talk or opine on such thorny issue

N.Vella

Jul 10th 2008, 11:56

@M. Mercieca: in a society where every piece of land is being over populated, food supplies dwindling, speculating on oil reserves, house prices soaring, do you actually think the world needs more people? Should we go back to 10children per family?? Obviosuly child birth rate is decreasing, its not easy nor cheap to raise a child, but that doesnt mean our country or any other country must accept illegal immigrants, be it african,asian or eastern european.

Yes you do help them, after all they are humans but then again we are a too small country to carry such a burden. They should defend their country against injustice/corruption(if need be we help them). send poeple to educate them, so they can propser in their own land.

Sandro Pace

Jul 10th 2008, 09:52

http://www.migrationwatchuk.com/pdfs/economic/1_20_Supplementary_evidenc_%20to_HofL.pdf

4. Immigrants are needed to pay our pensions
The House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee dismissed this argument in November 2003.
They reported “We conclude that… it is neither appropriate nor feasible to attempt to counter
the trend towards a more aged society in the UK through a manipulation of immigration
policy”.
The Turner Commission on pensions reached a similar conclusion in their interim report.
January 14, 2008

Sandro Pace

Jul 10th 2008, 09:51

Yes, the actual asylum process approves only a few as genuine UNHCR refugees. The others are either granted temporary humanitarian status, or cannot be sent back because, as the minister said, they are un-cooperative. Or a bit of both. This can be easily obtained statistically.

On the other hand, one have to question the insane numbers thrown around here on the amount of immigrants Europe need. So we are told Italy need 12 million. As if immigration is based just on the pension requirements. Can anyone guarantee that the same amount of jobs are created within the same period, to begin with?? Or Italy is expected to open the doors and 'Ask questions later'. Perhaps ending up with 7 million unemployed immigrants, creating, or exacerbating, problems. This is ridiculous.

An excerpt from the UK House of Lords report re. pensions and immigration will be included in the next post. Pension problems go solved mostly as we are doing in Malta. Financially. BTW, Malta does not need immigrants for that purpose. One has to see the report presented to the prime minister some time ago. On which he acted.

Cedric Busuttil

Jul 10th 2008, 09:35

@M.Mercieca. Wow, I'm so jealous for your mathematical way of thinking. So, let's go deeper in your pronostics. Did you calculate their food cost? Did you calculate the weekly cheque each one of them gets (they get the cheque even if they do some sort of work) ? Did you calculate what we (and every EU country) are spending for their healthcare and protection? Did you calculate how much wages are being paid to supervise them?
Let's say each one of them pays an NI of €20 weekly (so far no one pay a single penny) - and then calculate how much each one is costing weekly. I guess when you do calculate you will then pronosticate that we will not have even enough money for children's allowance in the near future. Was it a joke when you said that we need them to pay for our pensions?

Karl Serracino

Jul 10th 2008, 09:01

It seems that this is becoming a bit out of hand….I am sure that the ones around are contacting their friends and relatives that once here they can have a much more decent life. Therefore the conclusion is that more illegal immigrants will be at our doorstep. If the UN and the EU will not take this seriously the Maltese/European culture & rights are at stake.

sandra sammut

Jul 10th 2008, 06:51

Whats really worrying, is how did a boat with 27 men on board reach sliema pitch undetected by the maltese patrol boats!!! Wake up maltese patrol boats!! Soon they will be landing and we wont even have a record of how many , and what happens if they are not in a good state of health????? I think an enquiry should be held to establish why and how they were allowed to reach so far inland without being detected!!!!!!

Raymond Sammut

Jul 9th 2008, 23:04

Thanks for the info, Denis.

Roger Cauchi Inglott

Jul 9th 2008, 22:54

Wish I had been relaxing and sipping a Cappucino on the Sliema seafront, would have been quite entertaining I suppose. Perhaps we should make an official landing quay surrounded by cafes and have 27 Maltese girls in our traditional costume with welcome packs, shouldn't be too hard to organize.

Charles Sammut

Jul 9th 2008, 22:36

@ M Mercieca

Joanne Micallef probably "ignored" the most important part of your argument because it just does not hold water. It is not true that Europe needs African immigrants. If that were true, the Italians and the rest of the EU countries would be falling over themselves to take this burden off our backs.

Do not believe what the NGOs say, they are the ones raking in EU funds to churn out biased reports on racism and xenophobia and so they have an axe to grind.

You should get the real facts before you comment.

Raymond Sammut

Jul 9th 2008, 22:15

@ John Limahlt

A good observation, Mr Limahit. My guess would be, the four boats were released by a mother ship in the straits between Malta and Sicily. Two were instructed to proceed north, ending up in Pozzallo, as you are saying. The other two south, one ending up in Xlendi, the other in Sliema. It must have been a mother ship. The probability of none out of four not being picked up by the AFM along a stretch of 170 miles is tiny tiny small.

Joanne Micallef

Jul 9th 2008, 21:49

@ M Mercieca - You stated many times that 'EU- Is paying money for Malta to cover all the expensive. Most probably the problem is that we aren’t yet making profits from EU funds allocated to Irregular Immigrants' - Any link to confirm the amount we have recieved to date??

Joanne Micallef

Jul 9th 2008, 21:33

@ M.Mercieca I got the numbers from where I always get my figures PQ here is the link re amount of genuine refugees http://www.pq.gov.mt/PQWeb.nsf/10491c99ee75af51c12568730034d5ee/c1256e7b003e1c2dc12572e3003349c3?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,refu%C4%A1jati

Re Europe needing migrants, I know it's true, but like I said not every Tom Dick or Harry will do, Europe wants a controlled migration, allowing entry only those qualified in one sector or another depending on each country's demand http://euobserver.com/?aid=24761 .

The regular illegal migrant will usually sponge off the state or else resort to criminality between an odd job here and there. This is what is happening all over Europe, here are some more links for you

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/2701_immigration.shtml
http://mattinopadova.repubblica.it/dettaglio/Criminalita-la-nostra-provincia-e-peggio-di-Napoli-e-Palermo/1406822?edizione=EdRegionale
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE7DB1239F93AA35757C0A965958260

John Limahlt

Jul 9th 2008, 20:24

According to La Sicilia news, two boatloads of migrants landed at Pozzallo this morning. one with 27 and the other with 28 on board.If so they must have passed very close to Malta on their way.Maybe the boat that landed at Sliema was accompanying the two boats from Libja and decided to alter course to Malta.

v. Borg

Jul 9th 2008, 20:24

The solution as far as Malta is concerned is in Libya. If they're not stopped as soon as they leave Libyan territorial waters and made to turn back they will keep on coming. we can do nothing to improve the situation in their countries but we can excert pressure on gaddafi to do something himself when he realises that he's stuck with them. gaddafi's plan is to inundate europe with muslims turning it into a muslim continent in a few decades. his own words on youtube.

M. Mercieca

Jul 9th 2008, 20:03

@ Joanne Micallef
Like many others, you ignored the most important part of my argument. Do you know how many people (immigrants are needed in Europe within 20 years? By 2020 Italy (alone) is in need for 12 Millions of people
The fertility rates decline across all EU countries this of course includes Malta. The average birth rate within the EU is down to about 1.5 children per woman. This is raising fears among EU governments they will not be able to finance pensions systems for ageing European population. Therefore, man power must be imported to collect taxes for future pensioners.

Why should Egypt, Libya or Tunisia server as a patrol guard for Europe? If the entire world know about the population deficit in Europe? (But we Maltese we prefer not to face facts)

EU- Is paying money for Malta to cover all the expensive. Most probably the problem is that we aren’t yet making profits from EU funds allocated to Irregular Immigrants

Quote: ‘Remember that from the hundreds of thousands that have landed only about 200 were real refugees,’ where did you get this number from?

J Zammit

Jul 9th 2008, 19:25

Here's how to turn the tables on the EU:

1. Teach all present and future immigrants Maltese and Maltese culture.
2. When we've turned them into good Maltese citizens, issue them with a Maltese passport.
3. With EU passports in their pockets, few of these naturalised citizens will hang around here for long.

I truly see no other solution, because nothing can stop our immigrant population swelling by thousands each year - perhaps for the next 10 or 20 years!

The EU will make a few noises for sure - but then Malta has always been a steady source of emigrants to Europe, Australia, etc. That's why it's often claimed that there are more Maltese outside Malta than within!

Joanne Micallef

Jul 9th 2008, 19:16

@M.Mercieca - As for money spent of illegal immigrants, well I have to disagree, everyone is entitled to free health care and free education. Not to mention that all those who reside in all the open centres have free lodging including water and electricity. Remember that from the hundreds of thousands that have landed only about 200 were real refugees, some other were granted humanitarian status, a status which is ONLY GIVEN IN MALTA, the rest were simply economic migrants who unless they get accepted back from their country of origin we still have to lump in the name of human rights and political correctness.

Now since it's clear that Libya will never properly participate in curbing the flow of African people to Europe, we must try with either Egypt or Tunisia. As far as I know our country has good relations with both, still to have a good shot at succeeding we need a very capable negotiator, unfortunately no one comes to mind from the present administration.

At this point in time I hope that Nicholas Sarkozy succeeds with his idea for a Mediterranean Union, maybe he will be able to negotiate something then.

A. Muscat

Jul 9th 2008, 18:58

ATTENTION

Some down there were mentioning Mr. Norman Lowell. Please note that:
We are smart peoples. And soon we will be Smart Island. However, when we go for general election, we are programmed into two colors. Unless the software of this programming is decoded every thing would remain the same.

Any yes, we have some floaters (hunters, gays, lesbians, pro-drugs, feces-eater, and urine-addicts). The more days goes by, we become more ‘open minded’ and ‘modern’, consequently voters expectations may vary and increase. No politician would fulfill all people’s anxiety.

Ilk of Mr. Lowell, can win over any of our local good comedians, for a short while though. They can also impress audiences of layman with some technical words (I doubt if they know the meaning of expressions and big words they use). But on the European Union political level, if, and only if, they are elected, they end within short period. (check far right’s history please)

@ David Wain
Guy, you talk levelheaded. Do you expect some one programmed not to understand like @ Louise Vella, to comprehend what you are saying? This is too much mate.

Daniel Bonello

Jul 9th 2008, 18:42

This is with the EU has brought to our country. We can only receive these migrants and never send them back as the blessed old days.
Shame that 5 years had to pass before the Maltese are realising this serious phenomena. Not wanting these migrants is not xenophobia or racism but it is a survival issue! 5 more years and the Maltese population, culture, religion will start to vanish!
Whilst the Maltese government, EU and even some of you have been blind on the hunting issue, thousands of migrants were preparing for their annual invasion!
I think that the Maltese should protest against the EU and fight for our rights.

Denis Catania

Jul 9th 2008, 18:35

@ Raymond Sammut, You are almost right it's virtually impossible for two boats hitting the tiny Island of Malta but not zero %. Also I did take your recommendation and went back to the genealogist in Msida. My ancestors first marriage in Malta dated back to Nov 1st 1654 in B'kara (Mario Catania / Marietta Borg). Mario's father Natale Catania was not married in Malta, or don't have a marriage record. Raymond Sammut like the genealogist told me, anyone in Malta who doesn't think some of us(Maltese) date back to the 1500's(like you said) got his facts wrong or twisted. You claimed 20 years for every generation, you are wrong again. Including my son we go back 13 generations in four hundred years. By the way do you know of a Domenica Sammut, she married my 8th grandfather Giuseppe Catania on August 20th 1719 in Mosta. Raymond with history like this, is why we should be concerned about our heritage.These immigrants are going to push their culture on us and you can't blame them.Mr Sammut can I mail you a calculator? The genealogist is Antoine LaFranco he does great work for reasonable price.
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francis darmanin

Jul 9th 2008, 18:12

Well written David Wain.

I have asked this question " how many can we take ....?". two years ago. No politician will give a reply because he/she will be tied to that figure and have to start doing something about the problem when (or before) the number is up. If this isn't a real (and planned) invasion, then what is???

Alexander Morana

Jul 9th 2008, 16:46

@ Joe Gatt, the opposition aka MLP unfortunately fell into Gonzi's crafty trap that somehow Brussels will solve this problem once for all through procrastination, deceit, giving us more money or the whole thing will simple go away.
That is why some members of the opposition are whole heartily supporting this administration, in this matter. Though the MLP never came up any solution, surprisingly the new leader even advocates granting mass refugee status, the removal of the detention centers and if not Maltese citizenship a la carte. Isn't it curious? What has happened to Labour's slogan Malta l-ewwel u qabel kollox?

L Galea

Jul 9th 2008, 16:30

The election is still 5 years away so there is no hurry by the government to tackle the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS issue.

Maybe they will even be granted the right to vote to win them over!

Raymond Sammut

Jul 9th 2008, 16:29

@ George Mifsud

It's not a phenomena, Mr Mifsud. It's a racket. Would you please stop reminding us, over and over again, that we are part of this world, and instead try to get your terminology right.

When boats leave randomly from Libya, the probability of any two of them arriving on tiny Malta within 24 hours is essentially zero. Perhaps the maths involved would be a little too hard for someone as naive as you, Mr Mifsud.

And your statement "Australia too have the same mentality of not accepting because they look different." is not true. You are making a false accusation against the Australian people. Australian people are responsible people who expect that their government exerts border control. Many Africans are presently emigrating to Australia legally, like all other nationalities, and there are no complains whatsoever from Australians, which is contrary to what you are alleging.

M. Schembri

Jul 9th 2008, 16:23

Frontex is just a financial institution - our armed forces are in fact Frontex !

M. Mercieca

Jul 9th 2008, 16:18

Joanne Micallef
You guessed it right…
The only feasible solution is to build reception centers in Africa, either Libya or Tunisia, where asylum claims can be processed and those eligible can ’ This is exactly what Malta government is delegated to do for the EU. The latter needs millions of immigrants, and Malta is getting well paid from this business. NO SINGLE PENNY FROM TAX PAYERS MONEY IS SPENT ON IREGUALR IMMIGRANTS, as some try to promote lies through their post.
Who ever think that politicians from any party can promise to curb this issue, just dreaming.
Who ever think that, Libya will serve as safety valve for Europe? Keep dreaming.
What will our EU politicians would discuss with Libya, Oil supply or to stop immigrants, especially if every body except us MALTESE knows that immigrants are needed by Europe?
we spend too much time to comment and if we read about EUROPE NEED FOR PEOPLES we will set our mind at rest.
I remind, all
The topic of irregular immigrants has bestowed xenophobic and racist peoples a good cloak to come into sight patriots like! Their parties only goes one way – to drainage

Sandro Pace

Jul 9th 2008, 16:14

@Robert Agius
That was in the early 90s. I think there were 2 reasons for not allowing them to disembark. Firstly, they were in a large ship and not feigning any distress. And secondly, Malta had still the geographical limitation clause option, whereby it could refuse a large number of refugees due to our size. This was signed off later on, by EFA, in the EU (at all cost) accession process. To much acclaim of JRS at the time.....

@M Tabone
Spot on. When they overflood Lampedusa, they are targetting them here. In groups of 27 not to cause any political panic. This is happening in waves or loads.

@Denis Catania
Talks of taking to the streets, rightfully, has already been done around here, but so far to no avail.

Solution: Deadlines, after which, you will not be guaranteed to be picked up. Whatever it takes. Other than that, as long as the priorities remain humanitarian, there arent. One may support the fact of them amassing here with the (now defunct) hope of someone taking them. But that is not a solution. Thats indifference and unfairness, to future Maltese.

E. Azzopardi

Jul 9th 2008, 16:08

And by the way, they have become more sophisticated now!! They are landing in Sliema
All the 5 star hotels are there or nearby in St. Julians. Next time they will land at the Hilton Marina. Very convenient!!!!!!

Joe Gatt

Jul 9th 2008, 16:07

@ David Wain

No, we won't become a minority in two years. However, project current immigration for twenty years, plus the certainty that those who are here for a number of years will be allowed to bring over their families (family reunification), plus the extremely high birth rates these people have and you have some very frightening numbers indeed. Let a further thirty years pass and they could well be in sight of a majority. And that's assuming the inflow doesn't accelerate -- as it shows every sign of doing.

Moreover, inassimilable immigrants don't need to be in a majority to disrupt a society. Try to imagine the position when they become ten or fifteen percent of our population.

Are you looking forward to the ghettoes, the high crime rates, the racism and hatred -- on BOTH sides?

One final question, one I always put to liberals but to which I NEVER get an answer. Is there a limit to the number of illegals you would let in? 20,000? 50,000? 100,000?

E. Azzopardi

Jul 9th 2008, 16:03

I am afraid that our country is "going to the dogs". The real blind are those who "do not want to see"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Denis Catania

Jul 9th 2008, 15:34

Why don't the Maltese people have 3 MASS rallies one in front of PN head quarters, another in front of the MLP head quarters and the other at the Palace, or do the Maltese want these unaffordable immigrants. No criminals should be allowed to stay more than a day after his convictions. A speedy appeal process than send them back. When a mother black, white, purple or even green takes her child on the open sea on such boats,then she is a criminal and her child should be taken away and she should be deported. Keep their kids for safety reasons. I sure hope if a Maltese takes their children on the open sea in such a dangerous way, that they would be arrested for endangering the life of child. We are allowing these people to keep endangering the lives of their kids, and the blood of those kids who are dying are on the hands of those Maltese sympathisers.

M. Tabone

Jul 9th 2008, 15:11

In Malta illegal immigrants won't come in hundreds at one go because they know that the Maltese will be infuriated and then something drastic will be done but by arriving in the magical number 27 will avoid this thing...................but the invasion continues infront of our eyes.................and the authorities stare!! Eh!!...........and our neighbouring countries and the illegal immigrants themselves laugh at us Maltese. What a ride!!

Robert Agius

Jul 9th 2008, 15:02

Does anyone remember the time when there was a huge Albanian boat that was going to land here many years ago? I believe the order was not to let them step on our Island (at all costs). Could someone tell me the reason for that (or any one they gave for that matter)? I was too young to remember that. These were Europeans please note!! Somethings very odd here.

If anyone thinks that anybody else in Europe is going to give us a helping hand......keep on dreaming!

Joanne Micallef

Jul 9th 2008, 14:48

Off course it's well organized, everyone knows this including the authorities it's just that no one has the guts to take a harsh stand against this invasion.

If you watch the Italian news you can see that those boats who want to go to Italy carry hundreds not a couple tens, therefore it's pretty obvious that those who land here all want to be here.

The only feasible solution is to build reception centres in Africa, either Libya or Tunisia, where asylum claims can be processed and those eligible can be safely shipped to Europe. The rest would be finger printed and sent from where they came from, thanks to the database, if later they are caught in Europe they will be charged and sent to jail, once they pay the price for their actions they can be sent back to their country of origin.

Louise Vella

Jul 9th 2008, 14:25

Can the do-gooders come up with some concrete and constructive proposal for the emergency Malta is facing? Are they ready to drop their latent hostility to the police and the armed forces? Preaching and morallising is not enough.

gaffarena joseph

Jul 9th 2008, 14:20

Sarah Jane, yes norman lowell was more than right, and even the authorities know that he was telling the truth. This is not a matter of showing our sympathy to them, but, if they keep on invading our small country,soon it will be the that we have to beg them to show sympathy with us.
Soon we will have the election to choose our mep's, and this time im going to choose those who always fought for this issue.
Frontex is only dictating our armed forces to bring illegals to our country.

Edward Zammit

Jul 9th 2008, 14:15

I just wish 10,000 would land all in the same day. Then and only then will the people or the Government learn.

Joe Gatt

Jul 9th 2008, 13:28

Yes Louise Vella, you are perfectly right. Our government's first duty is to defend the country, but the political will is totally lacking.

Actually, both major parties are to blame, because if the opposition were to take up the illegal immigration issue, it would enjoy such a surge of support that the government would have to get off its backside and act forcefully to defend the country.

Unfortunately, both main parties are dominated by liberal do-gooders, who put the interests of the illegals well before those of their fellow Maltese. The ONLY important policy on which the PN and the MLP agree is that of ignoring the invasion from Africa!

Considering the serious existential threat Malta is facing, there is a word that accurately describes the behaviour of our politicians. It begins with the letter T. I won't spell it out because if I did, the moderator would censor me.

Robert Chetcuti

Jul 9th 2008, 12:57

It's very obvious Libya is shutting an eye and allowing human trafficking, as it also wants to rid itself of this burden. However, fact remains that Libya is their departure point. Therefore our dear dear Government must be brave enough and take matters into its own hands like Berlusconi did. i suggest that after a day or 2 of rest and refreshment, these unwanted guests are placed back in the same boat they arrived with, given enough water, food and fuel & Escorted back into international waters and pointed back towards Libya. Problem solved! Just imagine if Malta had to shut an eye and allow them to leave for Italy or any other EU country...

Louise Vella

Jul 9th 2008, 12:42

In a complacent interview with MaltaToday (June 15), Minister Carmelo Mifsud Bonnici said he is expecting 1700-2000 this year and has contingency plans if more arrive! He also said he is inaugurating more open centres. Can I ask him if he will put open centres in Cospicua, Fgura, Senglea and other localities in his constituency? Will he consult the local councils and the residents beforehand? Does he have contingency plans in case 700 arrive in 24 hours, as happened in Lampedusa earlier this week?(Louise Vella, Mosta)

Martin Formosa

Jul 9th 2008, 12:23

Joseph Gaffarena hit it on the spot. The problem can only be solved between Malta and Libya.

Edward Grech

Jul 9th 2008, 12:15

There is only one solution: no more illegal immigrants.

Full stop.

Has common-sense gone down the drain?

David Wain

Jul 9th 2008, 12:08

Statements like "with this trend we will be outnumbered to illegal immigrants in a couple of years" are alarmist and untrue.

@ Louise Vella "full complicity by illegal immigrants" - don't make me laugh. Its like talking about the complicity of a drug addict with the trafficker, without even considering that there is a victim there. Do you ever even stop to consider the unfortunate plight of these people? Do you consider them as people after all?

Those who believe that there isn't an organised crime network are not living in this world. Observations on their state of health are not necessary since it is a known fact. That we are not getting enough help from the EU is also a fact. We should persevere and insist on such support.

However, I think that the racist's worse enemy on this issue is the racist himself, who chooses to cloud the whole debate with illogical, alarmist and prejudiced comments instead of sticking to facts. I believe that more good would come out of any debate if one were to put aside all his fears and prejudices and focused on the issues at hand.

john mahoney

Jul 9th 2008, 11:58

By now eeven the most sceptical people who used to defend the poor boat people are getting restless, but wait, Dr Simon Busuttil has been assigned a new post with Frontex.......watching the outcome.......what a disaster, H

gaffarena joseph

Jul 9th 2008, 11:40

This is really a well organised tour, always coming in 27.When are we going to find a solution to this disaster that is facing our country.Why does no member of parliament seem to have the courage to talk about this. grave situation that is ruining ever our economy.
This is not a matter of EU, but a matter concerning our country. We can easily give them food, see to their needs and escorting them back to Libya.

Louise Vella

Jul 9th 2008, 11:38

A government's first duty is to defend the country. Granted that our AFM are not strong enough to defend Malta against an armed invasion. But surely they can defend us against a soft invasion organised by people smugglers with the full complicity of the illegal immigrants themselves. What is lacking is political will.(Louise Vella, Mosta)

Edward Grech

Jul 9th 2008, 11:34

To all of those hoping that other countries are going to help Malta significantly on this issue… be honest with yourself: do you really care when you read about e.g. how many people are entering Spain illegally? Please don’t answer how you think you’re supposed to answer, but be true.

Well, that’s how much other countries care about how many people are entering Malta illegally. In other words, Malta’s problems need to be solved by Malta.

The Government needs to be honest too. How many more illegal immigrants can Malta take? And this question is not meant to be rhetoric,but rather, I expect a concrete number as an answer. If the Government’s answer is “an infinite number”, then our own Government is not working in the interests of the same people who it should be representing, which is unacceptable.

v.pulis

Jul 9th 2008, 11:27

As Joseph Vella rightly commented Sliema being on the North coast of malta is in no way in the path of the migrants coming from north africa. Perhaps Frontex was looking the other way.
This is a very serious situation when one considers with what ease these boats are coming in to land. as for them being in a good state of health, it may throw some light under which circumstances they made their voyage.

Joe Gatt

Jul 9th 2008, 11:24

I've just worked out what Frontex's name means.

FRONTEX is an acronym for Ferrying Refugees ON To Europe eXpeditiously.

Joe Sammut

Jul 9th 2008, 10:50

It's no rocket science: the Xlendi landing of migrants had 11 jerrycans of 30 litres each of fuel onboard, and only 3 were still full. Mariners can easily work the mathematics with such an outboard engine, speed, weather conditions, length of boat and persons onboard, to easily deduce that this lot and the Sliema landings` were offloaded from a mothership. Whilst FRONTEX has successfully tracked and repatriated merchant vessel loads of migrants on the West coasts of Africa (simply because of Spain's assertive boots on the ground in the migrants' departing points), they have failed miserably in the centrel Mediterranean. Their own FRONTEX spokesperson concedes elsewhere in today's Times edition that only Malta & Italy are at present operating. Such a statement disregards the fact that the Italian are more concerned in patrolling their sector "Whiskey" around Lampedusa, Pantelleria and Linosa, leaving the poor AFM's limited assets to do the rest. Where's Frattini now and all his nice rhetoric?

George Mifsud

Jul 9th 2008, 10:47

Please remember that Malta is part of this world and not isolated.and insulated from this phenomena. This is world wide trend that communication is prompting these people to look for a better world. This is not going to end and cease to live in the past and live with trend. Just look at Zimbabwe where there is no democracy, people had to flee the country. That's what I decided to do in 1986 - leave my homeland and seek a better place. Australia too have the same mentality of not accepting because they look different. On the other hand you may feel unprotected by the coastal patrol but bear in mind that it is impossible to ensure no trepassing and I've know Dr. Mifsud Bonnici for may years and he is a most capable person to make the right judgement for our homeland

John Williams

Jul 9th 2008, 10:45

Joking apart, this has to be an organised operation of human trafficing, The reprot says:
ALL IN HEALTHY CONDITION!!!!!! In that case they must have been transferred from a big ferry to a smaller one just outside Malta.
We all know that frontex is a comical joke, since they are failing the least that the EU and frontex can do is to find the culprits that are organising this human trafficing

Sarah-Jane Gatt

Jul 9th 2008, 10:09

And we all laughed at Norman Lowell's rantings, could he have been right!!!!!!!!

Christian Abdilla

Jul 9th 2008, 10:08

How come these migrants are 'in good health' after crossing over from Libya to Malta in a small crowded boat ? Or does a mother ship drop them off halfway and points them to the nearest land ?

Anthony Formosa

Jul 9th 2008, 09:27

Welcome brothers to the EU. Please leave the same boat where we can find it, a lot of opportunities exist for us in northern Europe!!

Joseph vella

Jul 9th 2008, 08:53

Am I correct in saying Sliema faces North and the immigrants normally come from the south? If i am correct than definitely these immigrants know their way in to Malta and not by chance finish up on our island. keep adding up the population of these immigrants dear Malta.

Joe Scerri

Jul 9th 2008, 08:42

An the invasion continues whilst Frontex, EU and government look on.

D BRIFFA

Jul 9th 2008, 08:33

IS THIS EVER GONNA END !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Raphael Grech

Jul 9th 2008, 08:27

Well, I'm starting to consider my own theory on illegal immigration. It has to do with light pollution. This tiny though densely populated island is emmitting so much light that it's a glowing beacon for these asylum seekers. Actually we have a sign written on our forheads saying...."Land Here"!!!

Louise Vella

Jul 9th 2008, 08:17

Migrants land in Gozo. Migrants land in Sliema. Prime Minister Gonzi said "This is an invasion" (The Malta Independent on Sunday, June 8). Minister Carmelo Mifsud Bonnici said 8800 illegal immigrants arrived in Malta up to 2007. L-Orizzont (June 27) counted 871 since the beginning of the year. More recently I have counted another 80 (two boats with 27, another with 26 persons). Total so far: 8800+871+80= 9751. So the tenth boat to come will bring with it Malta's 10 000th illegal immigrant. Dr Gonzi and Dr Mifsud Bonnici do not seem to think that the invasion has to be stopped. So I suggest they go to Hay Wharf to welcome the 10 000th illegal immigrant with a garland of flowers, a bottle of champagne and the AFM band playing the anthem of the African Union.

Lewis Balzan

Jul 9th 2008, 08:04

Despite all the blah blah blah by the Eu, the Frontex initiative and Simon's sermons, the number of illegal emigrants crossing over from North Africa is increasing day by day. The EU might just as well organise a ferry service from Libya to Sicily via Lampedusa and Malta. The end result will be practically the same.

Noel Cutajar

Jul 9th 2008, 07:59

We can really rest at our homes with the level of security that we have around our harbours...hopefully no Al-Qeada will get to know of this!!!

joseph zammit

Jul 9th 2008, 07:39

27 daily... much more than our population is giving births. With this trend we will be outnumbered to illegal immigrants in a couple of years. Then probably it will be us to have to leave our country and look for somewhere else where to live

G.Zammit

Jul 9th 2008, 07:37

What is it with number 27? Marine lucky number!